View Full Version : Mustang GT350 or Camaro ZL1??
Looking at buying either of these this spring. I'm only looking at the 17 GT350 as the trans and if cooler is standard where on the 16 it was option. The ZL1 edges the gt350 out in horsepower but I like the style of the gt350 better. The GT350 has that awesome flat plane crank while the ZL1 has a supercharger on it that has a pretty mean whine.
Other cars I have been looking at are late model BMW M3 e92 and Nissan GTR 13-15. I have driven a M3 six speed and the GTR. I haven't drive. The gt350 or ZL1 yet.
What are you looking to do? Daily driver or track day car? Or both?
I think the GT350 are still trading at +$20k. Is that a factor?
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What are you looking to do? Daily driver or track day car? Or both?
I think the GT350 are still trading at +$20k. Is that a factor?
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The adm mark up is all location base, here in the Midwest there are plenty being offered at msrp or just under. However, the gt350r is a different story.
It's a toy maybe see a track day. One thing about buying the gt350 new is the throw in a track day driving lesson in OR. You have to pay to get there but it includes class room time and track driving instruction.
They are so close in overalll performance that I'd say it comes down to individual preference. The zl1 is slightly ahead now in all the posted numbers, but that will change quickly. I like the GTr for exclusivity, but that is a completely different driving experience.
The adm mark up is all location base, here in the Midwest there are plenty being offered at msrp or just under. However, the gt350r is a different story.
It's a toy maybe see a track day. One thing about buying the gt350 new is the throw in a track day driving lesson in OR. You have to pay to get there but it includes class room time and track driving instruction.
If it's a toy, for me it would pretty much come down to personal taste. The voodoo reds out at 8250. Gonna be hard pressed to get a lot out of it unless on a track. The ZL1 has tons of low power that is fun to drive no matter where you are.
Car to car...I prefer the looks of the mustang to the camaro. But a friend of mine has a ZL1 and it's nasty.
I don't think there is a bad choice. Depends on where in the revs you like your power.
The track day instruction would be cool too.
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Outlander Systems
04-02-17, 09:58
Hardest of hardcore Mustang enthusiast here.
I was at the stealership yesterday getting some service done, and finally had a chance to get all up in a GT350.
My bias is too powerful to offer objective advice.
Wifey strictly informed me that I could not come home with a Stage 3 Roush ...
Both are kind of douchey but I guess Mustang.
Hardest of hardcore Mustang enthusiast here.
I was at the stealership yesterday getting some service done, and finally had a chance to get all up in a GT350.
My bias is too powerful to offer objective advice.
Wifey strictly informed me that I could not come home with a Stage 3 Roush ...
If I had unlimited funds and a different DD...I'd be all over the 350R....
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I drive a e92 M3...with around 6000 track miles on it.
I also daily drive my M3.
If it's going to be a toy, and ultimate performance is what you are after, either the Ford or the Chevy will have more performance than you can handle before you have significant seat time. So it will be pretty much your taste in how they look and sound being the deciding factor.
If the car is going to do double duty, you CANNOT beat the a M3
My daily is a 2016 4Runner trail, absolutely love it. I want a manual to bang around on again...had several in the last. Never been a ford/mustang fan but the 17 GT350 is pretty freaking cool. Only reason I'm hesitate on the ZL1 is ive sworn off GM due to numerous issues...namely my wife's Acadia, she now drives a highlander.
The e92 M3 has huge aftermarket support and I would nod that one. Not sure how overblown the rod bearings issue is though...
The GTR, even used, tops the limit of want I want to spend and is a DCT which is cool but I want a manual.
I bought a 2015 Mustang GT a year and a half ago. It's a fantastic car. The standard V8 5.0 is a fast car.
(There's a photo of it posted on another one of the car threads)
I looked at the GT 350 and the GT 350R at the LA Auto show. Amazing cars. Between the two, I would save up for the GT 350R.
I have also looked at the Camaro and driven several models as well.
They are both Stupid fast.
My advice is to drive both cars. Maybe even rent each one for a weekend (higher end models are available at specialty rental shops.)
Personally, I preferred the styling of the Mustang, handling, seating position, *visibility, and pricing/ packages.
*One of my biggest problems with the Camaro was the visibility, not to mention the cheap and dated interior (plastic liberally used), and higher pricing vs the Mustang.
When you drive the two, make it a point to compare the visibility at the side and rear of the vehicles.
In my opinion, the biggest advantage of the Camaro is that there are track/ racing models available right off the dealer lot.
I would buy a Mustang GT with a V8, then drive it for a year and tune it to your tastes.
Without knowing your driving experience, professional driving training, and previous cars owned/ driven: I would recommend a stock version of either model.
Both the Camaro and Mustang have more than enough power to put an inexperienced driver of a high performance car in trouble pretty easily.
turnburglar
04-02-17, 13:00
I can fit 6 strippers and all their baggage in the Silverado.
Get you the 6.2 Liter....
Outlander Systems
04-02-17, 13:05
Be still my heart. I freaking love the 2015+stangs.
One of the dumbest things I ever did was sell a fully, and I mean fully, restored 1991 Fox. It was absolutely gorgeous.
And I was absolutely stupid.
If I had unlimited funds and a different DD...I'd be all over the 350R....
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Coal Dragger
04-02-17, 14:46
Both are very cool cars. I'll admit to a bit of Chevrolet bias when it comes to performance cars as I own a 2015 Chevrolet SS.
The Mustang has the glorious 5.2L flat plane crank V8. This is Ford's first production flat plane plane crank, and long term I would be concerned with reliability and durability. Not that this concern would be justified, just something I would wonder about since a flat plane crank V8 is inherently unbalanced and they vibrate a lot. Not sure what challenges those balance issues will present to rod bearings, and crank bearings long term. The Mustang chassis in the current generation has been a proven capable performer providing good handling and balance.
Aftermarket support for the 5.2L DOHC V8 is basically nonexistent except for bolt ons. Which may be an issue for you, or you may not care about at all.
The ZL1 is a more all around oriented car, not as track focused as the GT350. A more direct comparison would be the Z28 which hasn't shown up yet. The ZL1 supposedly has a useable suspension that won't murder your lower back on a frost heaved road. Since I am driving a car with magnetic shocks I can attest to their effectiveness, and they are very nice in their ability to change characteristics on the fly and change the demeanor of the car. There is a reason Ferrari uses this GM technology too.... Plus the last test I saw had the ZL1 lapping faster than a GT350 anyway, and the suspension is more livable. Seems a win win.
The 6.2L cam in block V8 with a blower is a tired and true combination. Plus being the latest iteration of the small block Chevy the aftermarket will be huge. Look no further than the LS series GM V8, it didn't take long for the aftermarket to start making everything for that motor and the new LT series will be no different since it is the same architecture as the GM trucks iron block V8's, and naturally aspirated aluminum block V8's in the Camaro and Corvette. Also keep in mind that if you want to do something like a cam swap the LT4 will be relatively simple and inexpensive, since you only have one cam to buy, install, and time. With a GT350 you have 4 of them, and that is if anyone even makes them.
The ZL1 will have more potential to make even more power if desired down the road, and it can be done more affordably. Frankly a pulley swap and tune will be dirt cheap since you already have a blower on that motor, pick up 80-100hp for little effort and the cost of a pulley and dyno tune.
Eurodriver
04-02-17, 15:53
Be still my heart. I freaking love the 2015+stangs.
One of the dumbest things I ever did was sell a fully, and I mean fully, restored 1991 Fox. It was absolutely gorgeous.
And I was absolutely stupid.
That's dumb af
Outlander Systems
04-02-17, 16:02
Even dumber when you consider who did the entire restoration with the exception of paint...
That's dumb af
My daily is a 2016 4Runner trail, absolutely love it. I want a manual to bang around on again...had several in the last. Never been a ford/mustang fan but the 17 GT350 is pretty freaking cool. Only reason I'm hesitate on the ZL1 is ive sworn off GM due to numerous issues...namely my wife's Acadia, she now drives a highlander.
The e92 M3 has huge aftermarket support and I would nod that one. Not sure how overblown the rod bearings issue is though...
The GTR, even used, tops the limit of want I want to spend and is a DCT which is cool but I want a manual.
Definitely a known issue, but is IMHO overblown on the internet.
My car has almost 50,000 miles with, like I said, around 6,000 track miles.....HARD track miles. Not one hiccup.
I track with one of my buddies with a Lotus...which he's modified to the point where it is ridiculously fast, but it never finishes a DE weekend without some kind of failure.
Having said that, I am having my OE bearings replaced next month with WPC treated bearings, seeing how I'm planning to keep the car for a while, and possibly turn it into a dedicated track car.
ZL1 with 10 speed auto.
I am a die hard manual guy, but the 10 speed auto is faster shifting than Porsche PDK. It would be faster except it has to monitor the paddle shifters.
If looking used, the C6 Z06's are hard to beat in a $ for performance ratio. Ive got about 38k into mine with purchase price and mods and I am right at 600whp in a ~3200lb car. Pulls on Hell Cats. I have not seen a GT350, but I am sure it would pull one. I would probably pull a new ZL1 as well since I pulled a new Z06(they put about the same whp down as I have, but they weight 600lbs more).
Outlander Systems
04-02-17, 18:28
^those numbers ain't no ****ing joke.
What tuner do you have?
Eurodriver
04-02-17, 19:35
I'd still smoke it with my bone stock 600 :)
Unlikely on a road course like this
http://chintrackdays.com/images/Tracks/bmp.jpg
I'd still smoke it with my bone stock 600 :)
Lolololz
Outlander Systems
04-02-17, 20:24
Vehicles of Racing have no business on our streets.
All vehicles with sub-5 second 0-60 times will need to be registered with the DOT, and a special tax paid under the National Vehicles Act of 2017.
The DOT will need to be notified, and a special request will need to be filed if your sub-5-second 0-60 vehicle is to cross state lines.
The DOT mandates that all new muffler installations will require a $200 one-time transfer tax and a background check for the muffler.
I'd still smoke it with my bone stock 600 :)
gunrunner505
04-02-17, 21:14
Hardest of hardcore Mustang enthusiast here.
I was at the stealership yesterday getting some service done, and finally had a chance to get all up in a GT350.
My bias is too powerful to offer objective advice.
Wifey strictly informed me that I could not come home with a Stage 3 Roush ...
But she didn't say anything about coming home with a GT350.
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But she didn't say anything about coming home with a GT350.
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Put a puppy in it, she'll be fine.
I got a buddy that recently bought a GT350. He is a racer and has been road racing Subarus in the Global Time Attack series for a while now. Im not sure if he is going to race it or not. I was surprised he bought it because when it comes to trucks he is a big time GM guy. He absolutely loves the car from what Ive seen on Facebook. And its not like he is just ove struck by the power as his race car is over 600 AWHP.
Ill ask him what made him decide on the Mustang and let you know.
Edit: So I guess he has already raced it at Buttonwillow.
^those numbers ain't no ****ing joke.
What tuner do you have?
its a private guy that used to tune for a big name shop in Dallas but got out of the business completely. Just does a little here and there on the side.
I'd still smoke it with my bone stock 600 :)
My z06? EATS 600's.
Stock Z06 vs. stock 600 is a fair race. Modded Z06 to a stock 600, Z06 all day long.
Also like was said before, have you thought about buying a regular Mustang GT and modifying it? I got two friends with supercharged Coyotes putting out in the low to mid 600 WHP numbers. We have a local event called No Fly Zone where they shut down a small airport and let guys run on the runway. One of my friends raced a 712 whp ZL1 (last gen) and beat it, though it was neck and neck.
Eurodriver
04-03-17, 09:36
its a private guy that used to tune for a big name shop in Dallas but got out of the business completely. Just does a little here and there on the side.
My z06? EATS 600's.
Stock Z06 vs. stock 600 is a fair race. Modded Z06 to a stock 600, Z06 all day long.
I was just messing around :)
600 to the wheels is not a joke!!
>When you drive the two, make it a point to compare the visibility at the side and rear of the vehicles.<
Driven as they should be - you will always be passing everyone on the road, so visibility to the rear and side should not matter - correct?
john:)
I bought a 2015 Mustang GT a year and a half ago. It's a fantastic car. The standard V8 5.0 is a fast car.
(There's a photo of it posted on another one of the car threads)
I looked at the GT 350 and the GT 350R at the LA Auto show. Amazing cars. Between the two, I would save up for the GT 350R.
I have also looked at the Camaro and driven several models as well.
They are both Stupid fast.
My advice is to drive both cars. Maybe even rent each one for a weekend (higher end models are available at specialty rental shops.)
Personally, I preferred the styling of the Mustang, handling, seating position, *visibility, and pricing/ packages.
*One of my biggest problems with the Camaro was the visibility, not to mention the cheap and dated interior (plastic liberally used), and higher pricing vs the Mustang.
When you drive the two, make it a point to compare the visibility at the side and rear of the vehicles.
In my opinion, the biggest advantage of the Camaro is that there are track/ racing models available right off the dealer lot.
I would buy a Mustang GT with a V8, then drive it for a year and tune it to your tastes.
Without knowing your driving experience, professional driving training, and previous cars owned/ driven: I would recommend a stock version of either model.
Both the Camaro and Mustang have more than enough power to put an inexperienced driver of a high performance car in trouble pretty easily.
This. My only beef with the new Camaros (and the C5 Vette convertible I had), is the visibility sucks. As someone who doesn't have a brand preference, I have to give the nod to the GT350. It may not post the numbers the ZL1 will, but it's pretty close and I think the driving enjoyment is more important than times.
Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 12:42
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No pics, but I had a real GT40 intake manifold, that I hand polished. I had over 200 hours of sweat into the polishing on the intake alone.
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ETA:
No pics, but I had a real GT40 intake manifold, that I hand polished. I had over 200 hours of sweat into the polishing on the intake alone.
If anyone was wondering, yes, Outlander Systems is a complete and utter jackass.
Mmmmm.....that paint!
Guy I went to school with drove an '87 GT. This was in '87. Was still the 5.0 but FI instead of carb. That was a salty little car for back then.
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Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 14:35
The 80s versions are my favorites.
While I can appreciate the backyard wrenching fun of a gasoline toilet...I mean...carburetor, the F.I. models are way easier to milk ponies out of.
For what they are, and for the time, they were pretty gnarly. Mine, with bolt-ons and a modest tune, had some serious torque.
Every time I say factory HP/TQ have reached its peak and we'll only be seeing incremental improvements, I'm proven wrong.
The numbers some of these new models are putting down are nuts. If you told me 10 years ago, I could walk into a dealership, and walk out with a production model GT putting down over 430 horse, I wouldn't have believed it.
The current-gen GTs are beastly machines.
Indeed. My Audi A8 puts down 450hp and is 0-60 in 3.9.
Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 14:44
That's pretty wicked right there.
Your numbers. I respect them.
Indeed. My Audi A8 puts down 450hp and is 0-60 in 3.9.
FlyingHunter
04-03-17, 14:46
Own a 16 GT and it's the most enjoyable car I've ever owned. Power, handling, technology , great seats, and decent mpg when behaving. My friends at Injected Engineering made the behaving part difficult.
That wasn't bragging, that was just agreement with your premise of how far we've come and to just walk into a dealership and get that performance. That Audi engine is only 244 cubes too. The S8plus makes 605hp from the same mill and is in the 11's in the 1/4.
Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 14:59
We need a dedicated Mustang thread up in here.
The dudes at IE do NOT play around.
Own a 16 GT and it's the most enjoyable car I've ever owned. Power, handling, technology , great seats, and decent mpg when behaving. My friends at Injected Engineering made the behaving part difficult.
No misunderstanding here. Just hearing those numbers still blows my mind. I'm still old enough to remember when 300+ horsepower from the factory was impressive.
Dipping into sub-12 turf on a production car ain't slouching around!
It goes beyond sportscars. My wife recently picked up a Fusion Ecoboost, and I was expecting a slug. Considering it's a grocery getter, I was pretty surprised at how quick the thing is.
That wasn't bragging, that was just agreement with your premise of how far we've come and to just walk into a dealership and get that performance. That Audi engine is only 244 cubes too. The S8plus makes 605hp from the same mill and is in the 11's in the 1/4.
We need a dedicated Mustang thread up in here.
The dudes at IE do NOT play around.
No misunderstanding here. Just hearing those numbers still blows my mind. I'm still old enough to remember when 300+ horsepower from the factory was impressive.
Dipping into sub-12 turf on a production car ain't slouching around!
It goes beyond sportscars. My wife recently picked up a Fusion Ecoboost, and I was expecting a slug. Considering it's a grocery getter, I was pretty surprised at how quick the thing is.
The new Dodge Demon is allegedly going to be putting out near 900hp, and comes from the factory with a special set of tools and a set of D.O.T. approved drag slicks, from the factory. We're not talking about a special production ORV use only trick like a Cobra Jet or COPO Camaro on a Bill of Sale, we're talking a fully dressed street car! Nothing from the 60's or 70's would even come close. :eek:
The new Dodge Demon is allegedly going to be putting out near 900hp, and comes from the factory with a special set of tools and a set of D.O.T. approved drag slicks, from the factory. We're not talking about a special production ORV use only trick like a Cobra Jet or COPO Camaro on a Bill of Sale, we're talking a fully dressed street car! Nothing from the 60's or 70's would even come close. :eek:
I can now retire my pickup and buy a Demon.
Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 15:17
LOL! That is insane.
That is literally insane. If the TQ numbers are close to that, it better be AWD or it's going to be a wheelie beast.
The new Dodge Demon is allegedly going to be putting out near 900hp, and comes from the factory with a special set of tools and a set of D.O.T. approved drag slicks, from the factory. We're not talking about a special production ORV use only trick like a Cobra Jet or COPO Camaro on a Bill of Sale, we're talking a fully dressed street car! Nothing from the 60's or 70's would even come close. :eek:
FlyingHunter
04-03-17, 15:20
A new dawn for muscle cars indeed.
E92 M3
Official Kremlin Transmission
E92 M3
Official Kremlin Transmission
Just no.
That's weak sauce in comparison.
My buddy responded and said he loves the GT350 overall. Loves the sound and that it revs out to 8k. He describes it as a street legal race car.
LOL! That is insane.
That is literally insane. If the TQ numbers are close to that, it better be AWD or it's going to be a wheelie beast.
Well these are the teaser pics, so what does that tell you? :)
http://namasce.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/dodge_challenger_srt_demon_teaser_3-702x336.jpg
http://icdn-3.motor1.com/images/mgl/2yN0n/s3/dodge-challenger-demon-wheels-teaser.jpg
http://www.powerperformancenews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/02/2017-02-23b1.jpg
Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 17:06
This is what I see when I see that Demon:
https://youtu.be/i4bsUmyOeGs
I hear the demon is kinda pudgy though
Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 17:17
Cut it some slack.
It's a 20L engine that gets 3 gallons per mile.
I hear the demon is kinda pudgy though
I'm judgmental, what can I say.
Outlander Systems
04-03-17, 17:29
If I wasn't married, I'd want you as my wingman.
I'm judgmental, what can I say.
Just no.
That's weak sauce in comparison.
Some of us actually have taste ;)
If I needed 500hp, I'd buy a 911 Turbo or F-Type R
I'd love to build a Foxbody if I didn't already have an SN95 project car. (Four-eyed foxbodies FTW).
I'm a Ford guy (more mustang than anything though) so I could be biased, but I'd go GT350. The tone of that 5.2 is nasssttty.
Personally though, I'd rather build a 11'-14 coyote and build up the suspension myself. Those motors are doing big things (I've actually been sourcing parts for a coyote swap into my 96' GT). Over all, I'm just a big fan of Ford's modular V8. Shops like Accufab are really pushing the limits on these motors with reworked factory blocks and heads and boost.
Accufab actually built the motor in the M2K Motorsport Ford GT that broke the Texas mile record last week.
https://youtu.be/DnCsQPpY6xA
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wildcard600
04-03-17, 18:36
The new Dodge Demon is allegedly going to be putting out near 900hp, and comes from the factory with a special set of tools and a set of D.O.T. approved drag slicks, from the factory. We're not talking about a special production ORV use only trick like a Cobra Jet or COPO Camaro on a Bill of Sale, we're talking a fully dressed street car! Nothing from the 60's or 70's would even come close. :eek:
True, but the costs are exponentially higher. Inflation adjusted price of a '68 GT500 is about $23,000 in 2017 dollars. Not bad performance for what is today Toyota Corolla money.
I'd love to build a Foxbody if I didn't already have an SN95 project car. (Four-eyed foxbodies FTW).
I'm a Ford guy (more mustang than anything though) so I could be biased, but I'd go GT350. The tone of that 5.2 is nasssttty.
Personally though, I'd rather build a 11'-14 coyote and build up the suspension myself. Those motors are doing big things (I've actually been sourcing parts for a coyote swap into my 96' GT). Over all, I'm just a big fan of Ford's modular V8. Shops like Accufab are really pushing the limits on these motors with reworked factory blocks and heads and boost.
Accufab actually built the motor in the M2K Motorsport Ford GT that broke the Texas mile record last week.
https://youtu.be/DnCsQPpY6xA
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The new 'yotes are what drew me to buy the 2016 mustang. Aluminum block, alum heads, alum pistons, forged rod and crank, 4 overhead cam shafts with VVT....sick ass mill. I'd prefer it had a bit more torque low, but that's easily enough minimized. IRS, Torsen diff, and 3.73 out back. 6 piston brembos front, 4 pistons out back. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170403/e39707f6985119825a5105b1bd22d5e0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170403/5d9b0a3171f60607f3a6a26b93589520.jpg
A 435HP car that has touchscreen, voice, phone, apps, line lock, launch control, and....the seats are heat/ac. I can change the gauge colors if I want.
Lots of tech...the shaker audio sub is solid except for only the most serious audiophiles.
Finding some "mustang gremlins" here and there, but still full factory warranty so I ain't scared.
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Friends supercharged GT against the 712 whp ZL1.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxxpWP4Ln-o&feature=youtu.be
True, but the costs are exponentially higher. Inflation adjusted price of a '68 GT500 is about $23,000 in 2017 dollars. Not bad performance for what is today Toyota Corolla money.
True, but when you factor in all the safety, tech, comfort and convenience additions it's not so far out of line. That doesn't even factor in the fact that it now stops and turns on par with the straight line performance, which was definitely not something a '68 GT500 could do! :)
Of those 2 options I'd go with the GT350. Have not driven the newer Camaro but we did get a GT350 in at the dealer I work for. I have an 11 GT500 and have considered selling it for the GT350. Incredibly comfortable, looks great, and fun to drive. Sounds awesome at redline and handles very well. Can't really compare the power, since mine puts out about 730RWHP, but I'd think with a couple bolt-ons and a tune it'd be all you need. (If you're in to modifications)
A standard gt like an SS camaro aren't on the table. No reason other than exclusivity of the gt350 and ZL1.
Mods, other than bolts on tune, are off the table for theft350 and ZL1. If we're taking e92 M3 than it will be modded heavily.
I've owned other muscle cars which I sold due to kids etc...but I'm at point now where I can afford a toy. I was originally looking at resto mods but slapped myself in the face after coming to terms with spending 50k plus for a 50 year old car that will never be like a new car. Shifted to the GTR but finding a 2013 plus under 70k can be difficult, plus it's slightly dated platform at this point.
I'm over here thinking about getting a WRX and building it up a bit.
I cannot currently justify getting either one of those, but if I could it would be the ZL1 just because it is on the Zeta platform and the ride is so much nicer. Plus, the whine and I find it better looking than the stang.
Have you considered the GT500?
Coal Dragger
04-04-17, 15:35
For your viewing enjoyment....
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E0amO_lJks8
dwhitehorne
04-04-17, 16:23
I want that guys job.
hotrodder636
04-05-17, 00:10
Nice timing...Right when I am starting to look for a new car...thanks :cool:
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