View Full Version : First ever combat use of MOAB dropped in Afghanistan
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html
MAGA don't play! 21,000lb love letter!
Dropped on an ISIS tunnel complex in Nangarhar province, near where a U.S. SF guy was killed Saturday.
Can't tell me there aren't signals being sent recently. I love it!
MAGA don't play! 21,000lb love letter!
Reminds me of the old slogan: "When you care enough to send the very best..." :D
That's definitely going big or going home. Allah AckBOOOOOMMMMMM!
I can feel the triggered effect of progressives from the gender specific name.
Outlander Systems
04-13-17, 13:26
War Boner: ACTIVATE!
Has this thing really never been used in war before? Hasn't it been around since 2003? Honestly thought they have been used before.
Either way; FREAKIN' SWEET!
I heard they used United Airlines to drop it. Kicked it right out.
Has this thing really never been used in war before? Hasn't it been around since 2003? Honestly thought they have been used before.
Either way; FREAKIN' SWEET!
I believe the daisy cutter we dropped on Tora Bora was called the MOAB at the time, and at the time, was the biggest. That was much smaller than this.
dwhitehorne
04-13-17, 13:43
So these type bombs were originally designed to clear LZs in dense jungle. I can't imagine the blast in open areas. Now that is what I call Shock and Awe. David
I believe the daisy cutter we dropped on Tora Bora was called the MOAB at the time, and at the time, was the biggest. That was much smaller than this.
Yeah, it was an old Daisy Cutter used at Tora Bora, not the MOAB. However, the one used at Tora Bora was dropped into a canyon of sorts, with Al Qaeda tunnels all around it. That canyon served to contain, magnify, and reverberate the blast effects.
I don't know how I feel about the GBU-34B being dropped by a C-130. I don't know, its not sexy. Being dropped by a B-2 Stealth Bomber- now that is sexy!!
WickedWillis
04-13-17, 14:05
I heard they used United Airlines to drop it. Kicked it right out.
I'm so excited for the UA shit to be done with.
MOAB's are sweet.
For some reason I remember one being dropped in Iraq somewhere. Can't remember where or the year. Maybe 2004 or 2005.
Also, the ODAs are putting in crazy work in Nangarhar Province. Like wholesale type of work.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-13-17, 14:16
Drop three of them in a triangle pattern and time the explosions to have the three shockwaves meet in the middle.
Call it "Thor's Hammer".
Great things brought to you by air superiority.
This is solid explosive, not a fuel-air bomb like the daisy cutter?
You bomb Syria to put NK on watch. You use a bunker buster in AFghanistan to put Iran on notice about their programs. It's the bombing version of a BOGO.
Trump doing things Bigly literally
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I'd like to tell President Trump about a neighbor who has been bothering me....Definitely worth a 2,000 pounder....
In my best Lloyd Christmas voice, "I like it a lot!"
I'd like to tell President Trump about a neighbor who has been bothering me....Definitely worth a 2,000 pounder....
Probably worth a tweet
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Probably worth a tweet
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@realDonaldTrump my neighbor is a bitch, yo; drop him with a tomahawk #smoke'em
@realDonaldTrump my neighbor is a bitch, yo; drop him with a tomahawk #smoke'em
Or a MOAB, but you might want to GTFO of Dodge and watch from a LONG distance away.
davidjinks
04-13-17, 15:22
The MOAB was designed in 2002 time frame. Once design and testing was completed it was slotted for use in Iraq. However it was never used against the enemy due to the fact the enemy resistance really didn't warrant it.
JDAMs were the flavor for combat actions. I believe only 1 daisy cutter was used during the whole Afghanistan war. That was never given the name MOAB.
There are some good points to the MOAB. However, IMHO, it is a waste on a cave complex. It will really shine in the arena of destroying cities without going full nuke.
Has this thing really never been used in war before? Hasn't it been around since 2003? Honestly thought they have been used before.
Either way; FREAKIN' SWEET!
davidjinks
04-13-17, 15:24
It is not FAE ordnance. Light skinned, aluminum with HE filler.
Drop three of them in a triangle pattern and time the explosions to have the three shockwaves meet in the middle.
Call it "Thor's Hammer".
Great things brought to you by air superiority.
This is solid explosive, not a fuel-air bomb like the daisy cutter?
You bomb Syria to put NK on watch. You use a bunker buster in AFghanistan to put Iran on notice about their programs. It's the bombing version of a BOGO.
davidjinks
04-13-17, 15:26
Daisy cutters were designed with that intention.
MOAB serves as a non-nuclear option for large ordnance.
So these type bombs were originally designed to clear LZs in dense jungle. I can't imagine the blast in open areas. Now that is what I call Shock and Awe. David
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-13-17, 15:28
Mother of all bombs, meh.
I want to see the "The Mother-in-Law of all Bombs"...
FlyingHunter
04-13-17, 15:34
Mother of all bombs, meh.
I want to see the "The Mother-in-Law of all Bombs"...
Outstanding !
daddyusmaximus
04-13-17, 15:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17lkdqoLt44
How about selling a few to Israel, and the balls to use it.
Ring Gaza and the Israel Lebanon border with as many as needed. It would stop cross border terrorism and digging of tunnels.
skywalkrNCSU
04-13-17, 16:10
Mother of all bombs, meh.
I want to see the "The Mother-in-Law of all Bombs"...
This is incredible
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html
MAGA don't play! 21,000lb love letter!
Dropped on an ISIS tunnel complex in Nangarhar province, near where a U.S. SF guy was killed Saturday.
Can't tell me there aren't signals being sent recently. I love it!
I LOLd at "Pentagon denies that it was revenge for the death on Saturday of a Green Beret soldier in the same region of Pakistan"
So what if was? I hope the SF guys had a good view of the show and pop corn shared by all.
On a serious note, didn't know ISIS had a foot print in A Stan. That's more al qaeda territory and as I understand it, no love lost between al qaeda and ISIS.
America didn't drop a MOAB on Afghanistan. It was just Chuck Norris clearing some bad sushi...
I LOLd at "Pentagon denies that it was revenge for the death on Saturday of a Green Beret soldier in the same region of Pakistan"
So what if was? I hope the SF guys had a good view of the show and pop corn shared by all.
On a serious note, didn't know ISIS had a foot print in A Stan. That's more al qaeda territory and as I understand it, no love lost between al qaeda and ISIS.
Damned well should have been in retaliation!
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So as a 21k pound conventional explosive it has the equivalent yield to what in terms of low yield nuclear devices? I assume it's not the same as old school TnT correct given advances in explosives.
I need to go watch Trinity and beyond again.
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SeriousStudent
04-13-17, 17:39
Am I the only one that thought about Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0
Am I the only one that thought about Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0
Mmm - yhea. Most of us were not even primary spermatocytes when that was made...;)
SeriousStudent
04-13-17, 17:55
I got to eat dinner with Slim one evening when he was in West Texas on a mule deer hunt. Awesome guy.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
The MOAB was designed in 2002 time frame. Once design and testing was completed it was slotted for use in Iraq. However it was never used against the enemy due to the fact the enemy resistance really didn't warrant it.
JDAMs were the flavor for combat actions. I believe only 1 daisy cutter was used during the whole Afghanistan war. That was never given the name MOAB.
There are some good points to the MOAB. However, IMHO, it is a waste on a cave complex. It will really shine in the arena of destroying cities without going full nuke.
Wouldn't the massive over-pressure seriously f**k with those inside the caves?
just a scout
04-13-17, 18:18
For some reason I remember one being dropped in Iraq somewhere. Can't remember where or the year. Maybe 2004 or 2005.
Also, the ODAs are putting in crazy work in Nangarhar Province. Like wholesale type of work.
They dropped one on a Republican Guard tank brigade in Desert Storm.
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They dropped one on a Republican Guard tank brigade in Desert Storm.
Did it leave a mark?
just a scout
04-13-17, 18:37
Did it leave a mark?
Wiped those dudes out. We watched the C-130 heading north from our lines. Thought it was a nuke when that thing went off. Felt the rumble in ground from over the horizon and saw a mushroom cloud. Wish I would've taken a picture. Our FIST told us what it was. He was monitoring the air freqs the whole time.
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Wiped those dudes out. We watched the C-130 heading north from our lines. Thought it was a nuke when that thing went off. Felt the rumble in ground from over the horizon and saw a mushroom cloud. Wish I would've taken a picture. Our FIST told us what it was. He was monitoring the air freqs the whole time.
'Murica
WickedWillis
04-13-17, 18:52
So is there any video yet?
So as a 21k pound conventional explosive it has the equivalent yield to what in terms of low yield nuclear devices? I assume it's not the same as old school TnT correct given advances in explosives.
I need to go watch Trinity and beyond again.
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The MOAB is around 11 tons TNT equivalent...tactical nukes are generally quite a bit more (kiloton order of magnitude).
davidjinks
04-13-17, 20:13
Yes.
However, there are better weapons designed specifically for that type of mission.
Wouldn't the massive over-pressure seriously f**k with those inside the caves?
davidjinks
04-13-17, 20:16
Edited
So as a 21k pound conventional explosive it has the equivalent yield to what in terms of low yield nuclear devices? I assume it's not the same as old school TnT correct given advances in explosives.
I need to go watch Trinity and beyond again.
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So as a 21k pound conventional explosive it has the equivalent yield to what in terms of low yield nuclear devices? I assume it's not the same as old school TnT correct given advances in explosives.
I need to go watch Trinity and beyond again.
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Hiroshima was 15 kilotons of TNT or just under 1000X a MOAB.
The W88 on a Trident is about 475 kilotons or 22,600X a MOAB.
The largest nuclear detonation ever, the Tsar Bomb, was 50 MEGAtons or 2.3 million X a MOAB. It rattled windows over 1000 miles away and could be seen for 600 miles when tested. We have the technology to easily surpass 100 megatons if desired...
sevenhelmet
04-13-17, 20:25
We have the technology to easily surpass 100 megatons if desired...
F*ck yo' tectonic plates!
Some misunderstanding of terms here, 1 kiloton = 1 metric ton of TNT or 1,000 kilograms or 2,205 lbs. So 11,000 lb TNT equivalent would be roughly equal to a 5 kt nuke. Quite a nice little package for a conventional weapon. BTW the Daisy Cutter was a 10,000 lb bomb so about half the size of MOAB but still kick ass.
Size aside I vote we use more of these.
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Intel report: upon dropping of the MOAB, she escaped her male escort, smelled of bacon and skoal, and was not wearing a hijab. Deeply offensive to the enemy.
I don't know how I feel about the GBU-34B being dropped by a C-130. I don't know, its not sexy. Being dropped by a B-2 Stealth Bomber- now that is sexy!!
I don't think it will fit in anything but a C-130 or bigger (C-17, C-5). I could be wrong though but I don't think it fits in any of our bombers.
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Some misunderstanding of terms here, 1 kiloton = 1 metric ton of TNT or 1,000 kilograms or 2,205 lbs. So 11,000 lb TNT equivalent would be roughly equal to a 5 kt nuke. Quite a nice little package for a conventional weapon. BTW the Daisy Cutter was a 10,000 lb bomb so about half the size of MOAB but still kick ass.
I think you are incorrect sir. 1 Kiloton is 1000 metric tons of TNT. This is 1,000,000 kilograms of TNT. Or 454,545 lbs of TNT. A MOAB is 0.05 kiloton. 300 times smaller than FatMan.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kiloton
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent
MountainRaven
04-13-17, 21:15
Alleged footage of the actual drop:
Testing phase:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTx52d-Rkdk
I LOLd at "Pentagon denies that it was revenge for the death on Saturday of a Green Beret soldier in the same region of Pakistan"
So what if was? I hope the SF guys had a good view of the show and pop corn shared by all.
On a serious note, didn't know ISIS had a foot print in A Stan. That's more al qaeda territory and as I understand it, no love lost between al qaeda and ISIS.
From what I understand:
A- There's pretty much ISIS every where that there are Islamic extremists, and;
B- The Taliban doesn't get along with ISIS real well, either. Which just serves as a reminder that the guys who joined ISIS did so because al-Qaeda and the Taliban are too soft and fluffy for their tastes.
I don't think it will fit in anything but a C-130 or bigger (C-17, C-5). I could be wrong though but I don't think it fits in any of our bombers.
Correct. Both the MOAB and the Daisy Cutter are too large to be dropped by conventional bombers.
I believe the Russians claim to have a thermobaric weapon with a greater blast radius than the MOAB that weighs just a little bit less that can be deployed by at least some of the bombers in the Russian air force.
ETA: Corrected the video description. This forum lacks a strike-out feature. Boo, hiss.
Alleged footage of the actual drop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTx52d-Rkdk
From what I understand:
A- There's pretty much ISIS every where that there are Islamic extremists, and;
B- The Taliban doesn't get along with ISIS real well, either. Which just serves as a reminder that the guys who joined ISIS did so because al-Qaeda and the Taliban are too soft and fluffy for their tastes.
I think that is the 2003 test. The chase plane gives it away.
davidjinks
04-13-17, 21:24
That video is from the testing phase of the MOAB. That drop was conducted at Eglin AFB. It's the same video we use in our class.
Alleged footage of the actual drop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTx52d-Rkdk
From what I understand:
A- There's pretty much ISIS every where that there are Islamic extremists, and;
B- The Taliban doesn't get along with ISIS real well, either. Which just serves as a reminder that the guys who joined ISIS did so because al-Qaeda and the Taliban are too soft and fluffy for their tastes.
Correct. Both the MOAB and the Daisy Cutter are too large to be dropped by conventional bombers.
I believe the Russians claim to have a thermobaric weapon with a greater blast radius than the MOAB that weighs just a little bit less that can be deployed by at least some of the bombers in the Russian air force.
MountainRaven
04-13-17, 21:31
I think that is the 2003 test. The chase plane gives it away.
That video is from the testing phase of the MOAB. That drop was conducted at Eglin AFB. It's the same video we use in our class.
Post corrected (sans strike-out because apparently that isn't a thing on this forum, boo-hiss).
I think you are incorrect sir. 1 Kiloton is 1000 metric tons of TNT. This is 1,000,000 kilograms of TNT. Or 454,545 lbs of TNT. A MOAB is 0.05 kiloton. 300 times smaller than FatMan.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kiloton
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent
This is correct. I transposed some words in my earlier post and through myself for a loop.
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Post corrected (sans strike-out because apparently that isn't a thing on this forum, boo-hiss).
This needs to be addressed.
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Q: How do you identify bodies after a MOAB drop?
A: Who cares?!
RetroRevolver77
04-13-17, 22:29
Now they just need to design an aircraft that can carry six to eight of these MOAB's and bring peace to the Middle East.
Hiroshima was 15 kilotons of TNT or just under 1000X a MOAB.
The W88 on a Trident is about 475 kilotons or 22,600X a MOAB.
The largest nuclear detonation ever, the Tsar Bomb, was 50 MEGAtons or 2.3 million X a MOAB. It rattled windows over 1000 miles away and could be seen for 600 miles when tested. We have the technology to easily surpass 100 megatons if desired...
Could we do a 100 megaton air deliverable device? Or missile for that matter since the bomber making the run probably wouldn't have enough time to un-ass the drop zone.
I vote we go gigaton yield because the F the moon and other celestial objects.
http://in.rbth.com/amp/556351
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Hiroshima was 15 kilotons of TNT or just under 1000X a MOAB.
The W88 on a Trident is about 475 kilotons or 22,600X a MOAB.
The largest nuclear detonation ever, the Tsar Bomb, was 50 MEGAtons or 2.3 million X a MOAB. It rattled windows over 1000 miles away and could be seen for 600 miles when tested. We have the technology to easily surpass 100 megatons if desired...
I wish those were required stats for CNN and facebook. Tonight I was surrounded by people talking about how Trump dropped a bomb that was "almost" a nuclear weapon and how he is going to start World War III.
Swear to christ I almost went all BJJ on them but there was more than one so that wouldn't have worked.
I wish those were required stats for CNN and facebook. Tonight I was surrounded by people talking about how Trump dropped a bomb that was "almost" a nuclear weapon and how he is going to start World War III.
Swear to christ I almost went all BJJ on them but there was more than one so that wouldn't have worked.
Thank you for reaffirming my hatred of humanity.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
04-13-17, 23:18
I think you are incorrect sir. 1 Kiloton is 1000 metric tons of TNT. This is 1,000,000 kilograms of TNT. Or 454,545 lbs of TNT. A MOAB is 0.05 kiloton. 300 times smaller than FatMan.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kiloton
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent
454g in a pound. 2.2lbs per kilo.
1,000,000 kilos there fore is not 454,000 Lbs, it is a metric ass-load of pounds.
I dont think WWIII will be that easy to start unless he tweets an obscene picture to Putin and Xi and personally flies a B2 over Moscow and Beijing with atom bombs.
Nobody really wants to have their stufg nuked and if it is a pissant hellhole then people will be like "Is it worth the trouble?"
Answer is always no.
I have a theory, please someone correct me if I am wrong:
Let's say some missiles somehow bomb the fuuuuuuuuuuidge out of a Russkie barracks and kills like a lot. Lessay a couple hundred.
On TV Putin will invoke his KGB death glare, call us imperialists, blah blah blah
Trump will likewise go Shit happens when theres so many soldiers in such a small country.
But they will be on the telephone like...
Putin: "Dude, WTF?"
Trump: "Aw shit man I'm sorry. Somebody messed up.
Putin: "Dude seriously...."
Trump: "Look. We'll lay low but not necessarily leave. We'll wire X amount of money. You can call us out and take the moral high ground. In a year or so it'll be like nothing happened."
Putin: "Okay. Yeah. That'll work. Shiiiit I got a lot of letters to send out to make people think I care about their kids"
Trump:" I know dude. I'm an asshole. Sorry."
And then..
SSDD
RetroRevolver77
04-13-17, 23:40
I dont think WWIII will be that easy to start unless he tweets an obscene picture to Putin and Xi and personally flies a B2 over Moscow and Beijing with atom bombs.
Nobody really wants to have their stufg nuked and if it is a pissant hellhole then people will be like "Is it worth the trouble?"
Answer is always no.
I have a theory, please someone correct me if I am wrong:
Let's say some missiles somehow bomb the fuuuuuuuuuuidge out of a Russkie barracks and kills like a lot. Lessay a couple hundred.
On TV Putin will invoke his KGB death glare, call us imperialists, blah blah blah
Trump will likewise go Shit happens when theres so many soldiers in such a small country.
But they will be on the telephone like...
Putin: "Dude, WTF?"
Trump: "Aw shit man I'm sorry. Somebody messed up.
Putin: "Dude seriously...."
Trump: "Look. We'll lay low but not necessarily leave. We'll wire X amount of money. You can call us out and take the moral high ground. In a year or so it'll be like nothing happened."
Putin: "Okay. Yeah. That'll work. Shiiiit I got a lot of letters to send out to make people think I care about their kids"
Trump:" I know dude. I'm an asshole. Sorry."
And then..
SSDD
We are not at war with Russia. Nor should we be.
7n6
I LOLd at "Pentagon denies that it was revenge for the death on Saturday of a Green Beret soldier in the same region of Pakistan"
So what if was? I hope the SF guys had a good view of the show and pop corn shared by all.
On a serious note, didn't know ISIS had a foot print in A Stan. That's more al qaeda territory and as I understand it, no love lost between al qaeda and ISIS.
Isn't ISIS more of an "airborne pathogen"? Doesn't really mean they shifted any personnel, does it?
I'm asking, as I don't know.
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Moose-Knuckle
04-14-17, 04:49
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2834/33215839253_8a0f7307eb.jpg
There wont be any footage. Or at least any good footage. My buddy is in the area. Bombing was at night according to him.
just a scout
04-14-17, 05:55
Some misunderstanding of terms here, 1 kiloton = 1 metric ton of TNT or 1,000 kilograms or 2,205 lbs. So 11,000 lb TNT equivalent would be roughly equal to a 5 kt nuke. Quite a nice little package for a conventional weapon. BTW the Daisy Cutter was a 10,000 lb bomb so about half the size of MOAB but still kick ass.
A kiloton is the equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT. A megaton is 1,000,000 tons of TNT.
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Isn't ISIS more of an "airborne pathogen"? Doesn't really mean they shifted any personnel, does it?
I'm asking, as I don't know.
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Correct. ISIS in Afghanistan (ISKP, Kuristan Province) are disenfranchised Taliban, Al Queda and TTP. Some foreigners have been found among them but for the most part they are local to the area.
News reports only 36 booger eaters dead. 36? That's all? That's a very mismatched $:booger eater ratio.
Correct. ISIS in Afghanistan (ISKP, Kuristan Province) are disenfranchised Taliban, Al Queda and TTP. Some foreigners have been found smoking them but for the most part they are local to the area.
I figured probably like that.
Geez...what a crazy bunch of mfers. Just wake up one day and "we're shootin' different people."
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News reports only 36 booger eaters dead. 36? That's all? That's a very mismatched $:booger eater ratio.
Hey, I'd much rather spend that $$$ killing 36 of those goat-f*****s than see one dime of it go to a welfare program for the undeserving.
If they were in a lot of caves I wonder how they arrived at that 36 number? Unless of course they went in and crawled around. It no doubt took those bitches by surprise. Since it was at like 7:30 at night I'll bet it lit the sky up pretty good!
Hey, I'd much rather spend that $$$ killing 36 of those goat-f*****s than see one dime of it go to a welfare program for the undeserving.
If they were in a lot of caves I wonder how they arrived at that 36 number? Unless of course they went in and crawled around. It no doubt took those bitches by surprise. Since it was at like 7:30 at night I'll bet it lit the sky up pretty good!
I was just bummed, that's all. Hoping for a higher body count. Or limb count, whatever.
There wont be any footage. Or at least any good footage. My buddy is in the area. Bombing was at night according to him.
Au contraire:
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/35151445/military-releases-video-of-moab-strike-in-afghanistan
Outlander Systems
04-14-17, 09:22
That was Shock and AWESOME!
Au contraire:
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/35151445/military-releases-video-of-moab-strike-in-afghanistan
That was Shock and AWESOME!
So much freedom
Could we do a 100 megaton air deliverable device? Or missile for that matter since the bomber making the run probably wouldn't have enough time to un-ass the drop zone.
I vote we go gigaton yield because the F the moon and other celestial objects.
You owe me a keyboard sir... covered in tea. People in the office think I lost my mind laughing out loud like that.
454g in a pound. 2.2lbs per kilo.
1,000,000 kilos there fore is not 454,000 Lbs, it is a metric ass-load of pounds.
I effed up my math. Agreed. 1M kilos is 2.2M pounds. I did it backwards. The rest of the math was right tho.
Could we do a 100 megaton air deliverable device? Or missile for that matter since the bomber making the run probably wouldn't have enough time to un-ass the drop zone.
I vote we go gigaton yield because the F the moon and other celestial objects.
http://in.rbth.com/amp/556351
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Well, the Russians had one...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
Even they were too chicken to try it out at full strength and settled for 57 MT instead.
Well, the Russians had one...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
Even they were too chicken to try it out at full strength and settled for 57 MT instead.
Copy that. I was thinking the full yield version was designed to be built within a ship and the scaled down version was the one they tested.
Anyways, 57 MT? Pussies...
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this has the video released by DoD. Looks like IR camera.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/15403/new-video-moment-mother-all-bombs-killed-36-isis-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
this has the video released by DoD. Looks like IR camera.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/15403/new-video-moment-mother-all-bombs-killed-36-isis-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
The pressure wave would have been epic with the mountains containing the blast. However, I thought we had munitions designed specifically to suck the air out of tunnels such as thermobaric weapons etc. Most fun bomb to drop? For sure. Most effective? Not sure.
News reports only 36 booger eaters dead. 36? That's all? That's a very mismatched $:booger eater ratio.
Perhaps; in Vietnam, it was estimated that 50,000 rounds were expended to kill one VC. (Or NVA- let's not get technical) So at that rate we saved 1.8 million rounds!
Completely agree.
"This was the right weapon against this target," said U.S. Army Gen. John Nicholson at a Friday presser in Kabul. "The purpose of this operation was to eliminate that sanctuary."
We must run that through mil speak translator:
"This was the biggest baddest we gonna fu&% you up weapon against this target we could get our hands on," said U.S. Army Gen. John Nicholson at a Friday presser in Kabul. "The purpose of this operation was to eliminate that sanctuary in response one of our guys getting killed by these sheep fu%ers and let everyone else out there know we are willing to use a sledgehammer to kill a cockroach cuz 'Murica."
The pressure wave would have been epic with the mountains containing the blast. However, I thought we had munitions designed specifically to suck the air out of tunnels such as thermobaric weapons etc. Most fun bomb to drop? For sure. Most effective? Not sure.
I think, as opposed to sucking the air out of the tunnels, that what was sought was the collapse of said tunnels. I read where those same tunnels had been used by Al Qaeda and the Taliban way back when Bin Laden weaseled his way out of Afghanistan in late 2001, and the Haqqani network has also used them. It seems the goal was to just cave in the damn things and be done with them once and for all. Not being a demolitions expert, I'd wager a MASSIVE blast and shockwave would go a long way towards accomplishing that goal.
Copy that. I was thinking the full yield version was designed to be built within a ship and the scaled down version was the one they tested.
Anyways, 57 MT? Pussies...
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The doomsday ship was another project. It was a ship packed with high yield nuclear devices and was triggered by sensors reading radiation levels that indicate the a nuclear strike nearby. The idea was if the USSR loses, nobody wins and the device was meant to destroy everything on earth.
Kruschev ultimately decided to not implement the project because he had no direct control over it.
this has the video released by DoD. Looks like IR camera.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/15403/new-video-moment-mother-all-bombs-killed-36-isis-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
Anybody have a sense of scale for this? Some kind of X-inches=Y-miles?
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The doomsday ship was another project. It was a ship packed with high yield nuclear devices and was triggered by sensors reading radiation levels that indicate the a nuclear strike nearby. The idea was if the USSR loses, nobody wins and the device was meant to destroy everything on earth.
Kruschev ultimately decided to not implement the project because he had no direct control over it.
IIRC wasn't it to be sunk and once on the bottom of the ocean it would be detonated and hopefully crack the crust of the Earth (or something wild like that)?
IIRC wasn't it to be sunk and once on the bottom of the ocean it would be detonated and hopefully crack the crust of the Earth (or something wild like that)?
No, the plan was to put so much radiation in the atmosphere that nothing survives. Russians had some bizarre ideas but pretty sure even they knew it would be hard to crack the crust of the earth, but they understood the nature of radioactive fallout.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-14-17, 15:44
News reports only 36 booger eaters dead. 36? That's all? That's a very mismatched $:booger eater ratio.
Dollar per booger eater piece isn't that bad though.
News reports only 36 booger eaters dead. 36? That's all? That's a very mismatched $:booger eater ratio.
At 170,000.00 a bomb, that is a mere $4,722.22 per 'booger eater.' I think that is an outstanding return on investment.
In 1965 the DOD was paying $47.60 per thousand rounds of M193. It was widely quoted that we fired 55,000 rounds per enemy KIA. That comes out to $2,618.00 per enemy KIA in 1965 dollars. Adjusted for inflation that equals $20,258.17 in 2017 dollars.
Way to be good stewards of the taxpayers money. :thumbsup:
I would rather my tax dollars that get robbed from me every year go to MOABs than EBT
#LouderThanMOABs
#PanicOnTheStreetsOfAfghanistan
No, the plan was to put so much radiation in the atmosphere that nothing survives. Russians had some bizarre ideas but pretty sure even they knew it would be hard to crack the crust of the earth, but they understood the nature of radioactive fallout.
Yeah I did some Googling after posting that and you're right, it was beaucoup hydrogen bombs on a ship surrounded by a shit-ton of cobalt which would make the Earth unlivable.
I would rather my tax dollars that get robbed from me every year go to MOABs than EBT
#LouderThanMOABs
#PanicOnTheStreetsOfAfghanistan
My sentiments exactly.
Yeah I did some Googling after posting that and you're right, it was beaucoup hydrogen bombs on a ship surrounded by a shit-ton of cobalt which would make the Earth unlivable.
Muh Soviets aside, that's pretty alpha of them.
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Muh Soviets aside, that's pretty alpha of them.
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Kinda sucks for the guys in Tibet who had nothing to do with anything. Also pretty scary when Kruschev becomes the voice of reason and declares it a bad idea. Stalin would have absolutely built the damn thing.
My favorite was his "ape soldier" program where he had scientists involved in an ape / human hybrid program which included efforts to directly breed primates with human females. That must have been awesome fun for the female subjects.
Anybody have a sense of scale for this? Some kind of X-inches=Y-miles?
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I think the blast radius for that thing is about 150 meters from what I read.
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Some reports saying 82 dead now.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-14-17, 22:13
Anybody have a sense of scale for this? Some kind of X-inches=Y-miles?
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Can you tell by shock wave propagation? Is that a fixed speed?
Kinda sucks for the guys in Tibet who had nothing to do with anything. Also pretty scary when Kruschev becomes the voice of reason and declares it a bad idea. Stalin would have absolutely built the damn thing.
My favorite was his "ape soldier" program where he had scientists involved in an ape / human hybrid program which included efforts to directly breed primates with human females. That must have been awesome fun for the female subjects.
Remember the Nazi movie called "Conspiracy"? I'd like to see the Soviet version of that centered around the design and development of this bomb.
I mean you know their HAD to be some vodka impaired physicist shouting "Ve zill nooocz ze pwanit phor muddah Rusha, comrade!! "
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I think the blast radius for that thing is about 150 meters from what I read.
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Some reports saying 82 dead now.
“There is so little trust ... in the Trump administration to make basic tactical decisions that everyone sort of assumes something crazy and weird is going on,” says Rob Farley, a professor at the University of Kentucky who studies the Air Force. “But I’d suggest not jumping to conclusions about what this particular weapon means.”
The MOAB is designed to destroy a lot of targets on the surface — unlike the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), the only US conventional bomb that’s larger than the MOAB (and one that has yet to be used in combat). The MOP is designed to destroy hardened tunnels and bunkers, whereas the MOAB is designed to destroy buildings and things just below the surface, like caves.
“The blast radius goes up to a mile,” Farley explains. “That does not mean everything within a mile dies — it means that everything within a mile has a potential to be affected. Structures that are a mile off, or three-quarters of a mile off, may not be destroyed based on how strong they are.”
These two facts of the MOAB — that it’s delivered by a cargo plane and that it destroys stuff on the surface — explain why it’s not used very commonly by the US military. Since the weapon was made ready for use in 2003, the US has fought a lot of missions in densely populated urban areas and/or specifically targeting smaller enemy troop deployments.
Those aren’t optimal situations for MOAB use because of the danger of collateral damage, and the added risk created by dropping it from a cargo plane means the US military rarely has a need to use it.
“It’s a weapon that has a narrow target set,” an Air Force official told me. “It’s primarily intended for soft to medium surface targets — targets like a cave and canyon environment.”
The area hit in Afghanistan appears to be one of the few targets that fit this profile.
Wow, a mile!.. Maybe the 150M is the "everything dies" radius.
LOL, you know, if you didn't know this was real, you would think the headlines were from a comedy movie like Airplane or something...
Fulfilling Donald Trump’s campaign promise to “bomb the shit” out of ISIS, the Pentagon dropped the “mother of all bombs” — one of its largest non-nuclear munitions — for the first time on Thursday, in Afghanistan.
Well, the Russians had one...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
Even they were too chicken to try it out at full strength and settled for 57 MT instead.
Fun fact, or at least interesting tidbit that I recall hearing when I was watching something on the History channel about nuclear weapons. They were intervening, someone, I think some former commander from NORAD or something. When they brought up Tsar Bomba he went on to comment that the only logical use that the Pentagon could come up with for a 60 megaton nuclear warhead would be to turn Cheyenne mountain into Cheyenne lake.
On the topic of using the MOAB to take out a cave complex, honestly, it probably wasn't all that effective in collapsing the caves. I would look at it like the WWII issues of the Allies trying to take out Nazi dams. Hard structures that probably aren't going to just go down. If they really wanted to drop caves something like the WWII Grand slam or similar "earthquake" bombs would be more effective.
If they really wanted to drop caves something like the WWII Grand slam or similar "earthquake" bombs would be more effective.
Maybe they are just warming up.
Remember the Nazi movie called "Conspiracy"? I'd like to see the Soviet version of that centered around the design and development of this bomb.
I mean you know their HAD to be some vodka impaired physicist shouting "Ve zill nooocz ze pwanit phor muddah Rusha, comrade!! "
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Yeah, but if they made that movie they'd have to talk about the 30 million people (including a ton of jews) killed by Stalin that Churchill and Roosevelt knew about before we even formed an alliance with Russia.
http://www.ukemonde.com/genocide/margolisholocaust.html
They really had it all, Ukraine turned into a cannibalistic death camp, bizarre scientific experiments that would baffle even Mengele and a philosophy that if we lose - the planet dies with us. What is even more frightening is how many times the Soviet Union was prepared to take everyone to the brink of destruction and one person altered the course of history. That anyone, let alone a dedicated group, deliberately provided the technical details of the atom bomb to somebody like Stalin is truly one of the greatest crimes in human history.
But some of his plans were definitely "creative."
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31521/7-super-sized-and-somewhat-insane-soviet-projects
And of course the Russians still have a "dead hand" option known as Perimeter.
Saw on FOX this morning while I was doing cardio that the death toll for the bad guys is up to like 96. Guess they've been digging around a little.
At 170,000.00 a bomb, that is a mere $4,722.22 per 'booger eater.' I think that is an outstanding return on investment.
In 1965 the DOD was paying $47.60 per thousand rounds of M193. It was widely quoted that we fired 55,000 rounds per enemy KIA. That comes out to $2,618.00 per enemy KIA in 1965 dollars. Adjusted for inflation that equals $20,258.17 in 2017 dollars.
Way to be good stewards of the taxpayers money. :thumbsup:
Now that's the kind of analysis that makes me love this place.
Saw on FOX this morning while I was doing cardio that the death toll for the bad guys is up to like 96. Guess they've been digging around a little.
Probably started counting right feet, or left hands.
Drop three of them in a triangle pattern and time the explosions to have the three shockwaves meet in the middle.
This is solid explosive, not a fuel-air bomb like the daisy cutter?
The daisy cutter was not fuel air. It was full of tannerite :D
Grand58742
04-15-17, 15:03
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Moose-Knuckle
04-16-17, 04:33
Probably started counting right feet, or left hands.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that more than a few were probably completely vaporized, maybe just some particulate ash here and there.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that more than a few were probably completely vaporized, maybe just some particulate ash here and there.
No pun intended, right? [emoji3]
polydeuces
04-16-17, 08:03
Latest numbers claim:
Apparently more that 90 boogereaters got caved, were going to have to recalculate the expenditure a bit here folks.
It should be easy to finish off the access in the area just by locating the loaders, hoes and dump trucks needed to clear the rubble from the cave entrances.
Oh wait, those dudes can barely operate an AK. This calls for some "Charlie don't hoe" patches!
Wow, a mile!.. Maybe the 150M is the "everything dies" radius.
LOL, you know, if you didn't know this was real, you would think the headlines were from a comedy movie like Airplane or something...
Think max effective range vs. max range.
Latest numbers claim:
Apparently more that 90 boogereaters got caved, were going to have to recalculate the expenditure a bit here folks.
Combat math anyone? :cool:
FWIW, there probably weren't that many who were outright incinerated. Most likely succumbed to brisance and overpressure. A canyon with caves is a perfect refractor for high explosives.
Singlestack Wonder
04-17-17, 12:30
We should pull out our servicemen and carpet bomb the "stan" with MOAB's and Daisy Cutters and kill every living thing including the opium crops, until nothing is left but flat land....Repeat in syria, iran, and iraq.
No good reason for any of our Troops to die or get injured in those places anymore...
WickedWillis
04-17-17, 12:33
We should pull out our servicemen and carpet bomb the "stan" with MOAB's and Daisy Cutters and kill every living thing including the opium crops, until nothing is left but flat land....Repeat in syria, iran, and iraq.
No good reason for any of our Troops to die or get injured in those places anymore...
Well, that's a big reason we even have our nose in over there still. Gotta keep up with the drug demand here in the states.
At 170,000.00 a bomb, that is a mere $4,722.22 per 'booger eater.' I think that is an outstanding return on investment.
In 1965 the DOD was paying $47.60 per thousand rounds of M193. It was widely quoted that we fired 55,000 rounds per enemy KIA. That comes out to $2,618.00 per enemy KIA in 1965 dollars. Adjusted for inflation that equals $20,258.17 in 2017 dollars.
Way to be good stewards of the taxpayers money. :thumbsup:
I have read 314 million dollars a bomb, making roughly 3.5 million for each kill.
314 mill sounds rather high, but there is no way that thing only cost 177k$ do you have source?
Like it or not, believe it or not 314 million is and Edward Snowden tweet.
I have read 314 million dollars a bomb, making roughly 3.5 million for each kill.
314 mill sounds rather high, but there is no way that thing only cost 177k$ do you have source?
Like it or not, believe it or not 314 million is and Edward Snowden tweet.
Fake news from social media.
USAF has weighed in with $170k / device in one interview. Which makes sense if you scale up the smaller bombs which are $12k each.
There is probably some (bogus) news math being done where they take the cost of a program and divide by the number of devices, etc.
The op cost of the aircraft that dropped it is pretty high, so clearly it was not just $170k. But that's true of nearly all mil stuff.
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