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Moose-Knuckle
04-14-17, 05:03
Several films are on my "go to the theater to see" list so far this year, this is one of them.
(lots of MP5 pornage)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndLJhJgDwI8
Eurodriver
04-14-17, 07:07
Wasn't it like 400 days?
Wasn't it like 400 days?
Different event....this is about the Iranian embassy in London.
Reminds me of the other film, Who Dares Wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Dares_Wins_(film)
Well. That's one movie I'll be going to this year...it takes a LOT to get me in the door nowadays.
The Final Option is always worth a watch.
Wasn't it like 400 days?
444 to be exact.
Eurodriver
04-14-17, 10:14
Different event....this is about the Iranian embassy in London.
Reminds me of the other film, Who Dares Wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Dares_Wins_(film)
Gotcha. Couldn't watch the video but I should have known since Moosey mentioned MP5s
I'm in. That is one of the events covered in SOF that convinced me that one day I must have a MP5.
I'm in. That is one of the events covered in SOF that convinced me that one day I must have a MP5.
And a Hi Power. :)
444 to be exact.
Right number of days but WRONG CRISIS, wrong country, wrong embassy.
Iranian seized US Embassy in Tehran. Jimmy Carter sent Delta Force to rescue but aborted at Desert One.
Iranian seized Iranians seized Iranian embassy in London. SAS freed hostages and killed the hostage takers. Siege lasted 6 days, therefore the name of the movie.
I just watched an hour long you tube documentary about Operation Nimrod. It featured John McAleese, LtCol. Rose, who I believe are now both dead. I hope this movie is good to honor those SAS members who participated.
Right number of days but WRONG CRISIS, wrong country, wrong embassy.
Iranian seized US Embassy in Tehran. Jimmy Carter sent Delta Force to rescue but aborted at Desert One.
Iranian seized Iranians seized Iranian embassy in London. SAS freed hostages and killed the hostage takers. Siege lasted 6 days, therefore the name of the movie.
So wish that had gone a different direction, and some felt the mission could continue, but fate is a mother f-er some times. Good lessons were learned at least, and Beckwith actually spoke well of Carter regarding that event. Anyway, when the SAS come a knockin' chit heads tend to die badly. Will put movie on list.
I demand they put this in the movie but with more bass and possibly a remix by RZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkfYI2INniw
Well--that did it. I'm shutting this sucker down and headed to the range with my BHP. Now.
AND I am still in love with Rosalind Lloyd. http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/99338/99338_full.jpg
militarymoron
04-14-17, 15:32
Seeing the embassy siege on the news on TV when I was a kid is what got me into the whole SAS/MP5 thing. Here's a pic I took at the Operation Nimrod display at the Imperial War Museum in London.
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Everyone here will want to check out the 2004 documentary, "The SAS In Action." Probably the most comprehensive and accurate overview of Nimrod with some amazingly detailed original footage. Several other operations and campaigns covered as well.
It can be found on Amazon and Netflix.
Well--that did it. I'm shutting this sucker down and headed to the range with my BHP. Now.
AND I am still in love with Rosalind Lloyd. http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/99338/99338_full.jpg
Yeah, I loved the fight, good performance of momma bear getting pissed.
I'm in for that one. Hope they do right by the men involved.
I'm in for that one. Hope they do right by the men involved.
This.
I hope they reproduce every last bit of black kit. The Avon mask, the weird laser-light thing on the MP5s, the Hi Powers(Sigs didnt come til later), and everything.
When the British put their minds to it; their shows and movies are awesome.
Like Strike Back, The Avengers, The Professionals, etc.
And old school hardcore SAS where their dudes looked like Lemmy Kilmister(Peace Be Upon Him), just lifted, smoked, drank, played soccer, and wenched nobby harlots until it was time to murder people in the dark with high speed gear. Then saunter back to the smoke filled Team House in Hereford for Fish and Chips
Rayrevolver
04-14-17, 19:35
I haven't been to the movies in a while but will make an effort to see this.
PS - some pics in this thread from Pro. I removed my statement about flashlights that was incorrect. The link below alludes to flashlights as well...
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-talk/316521-80s-swat-guy-mp5-statue-cool-antique-store-find-5.html
I haven't been to the movies in a while but will make an effort to see this.
PS - Those were flashlights rigged to scope mounts, not lasers! There are some pics in this thread from Pro:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-talk/316521-80s-swat-guy-mp5-statue-cool-antique-store-find-5.html
Interesting.
I thought it was this all along
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/old-school-hk-optic-made-by-hensoldt-that-projects-light-with-a-crosshair-in-the-beam-it-runs-on-5-c-batteries-and-weighs-as-much-as-the-mp5-itself-2.jpg
I haven't been to the movies in a while but will make an effort to see this.
PS - Those were flashlights rigged to scope mounts, not lasers! There are some pics in this thread from Pro:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-talk/316521-80s-swat-guy-mp5-statue-cool-antique-store-find-5.html
Those were actually Hendsolt illuminators that were "pre laser" aiming devices. You could argue they were flashlights with a screened lens that resulted in a projected crosshair. But they weren't rigged, they were a purpose built item.
Interesting.
I thought it was this all along
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/old-school-hk-optic-made-by-hensoldt-that-projects-light-with-a-crosshair-in-the-beam-it-runs-on-5-c-batteries-and-weighs-as-much-as-the-mp5-itself-2.jpg
That is a later version.
militarymoron
04-14-17, 22:25
I guess I'll go see it when it comes out. I'm might have a mild interest in the subject. Just a very mild one. (I'm sure SteryAUG has most of these on his bookshelf...)
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I guess I'll go see it when it comes out. I'm might have a mild interest in the subject. Just a very mild one. (I'm sure SteryAUG has most of these on his bookshelf...)
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Jezus, it's like we are the result of some bizarre cloning experiment. The only one you are missing is the SAS Survival Handbook.
militarymoron
04-15-17, 10:30
Jezus, it's like we are the result of some bizarre cloning experiment. The only one you are missing is the SAS Survival Handbook.
LOL, yeah. I actually have the Urban Survival Handbook, also by John Wiseman - it was on a different part of the bookshelf along with 'SAS - an illustrated history' by Barry Davies. There are also a bunch of paperbacks I didn't include in the pic. Speaking of clones - do you also have the STTU series of books by Mark Lonsdale and bought cool stuff from Shomer-Tec in the late 80's?
LOL, yeah. I actually have the Urban Survival Handbook, also by John Wiseman - it was on a different part of the bookshelf along with 'SAS - an illustrated history' by Barry Davies. There are also a bunch of paperbacks I didn't include in the pic. Speaking of clones - do you also have the STTU series of books by Mark Lonsdale and bought cool stuff from Shomer-Tec in the late 80's?
Actually there is a SAS Survival Handbook and the SAS Urban Survival Handbook (which isn't as good). I think I have almost every Lonsdale book Sniper, Counter Sniper, CQB and a couple others. And yeah Shomer-Tec, Brigade Quartermaster, Sportsmans Guide and a ton of books from Paladin Press.
Also if you haven't found my FB page "Vintage Nunchaku" I have a lot of stuff about early adoption of the nunchaku and PR-24 by law enforcement in the early 1970s. If you search "law enforcement" you'll probably turn up some interesting reading.
Moose-Knuckle
04-16-17, 04:43
I always wanted this poster as a kid . . .
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2942/33225166934_6c60045a48_m.jpg
Never got it, though I hear there is an MP5 50th Anniversary reproduction I might have to allocate.
HardToHandle
04-16-17, 10:21
This.
I hope they reproduce every last bit of black kit. The Avon mask, the weird laser-light thing on the MP5s, the Hi Powers(Sigs didnt come til later), and everything.
When the British put their minds to it; their shows and movies are awesome.
Like Strike Back, The Avengers, The Professionals, etc.
And old school hardcore SAS where their dudes looked like Lemmy Kilmister(Peace Be Upon Him), just lifted, smoked, drank, played soccer, and wenched nobby harlots until it was time to murder people in the dark with high speed gear. Then saunter back to the smoke filled Team House in Hereford for Fish and Chips
The gents who went in the door were amazing but the story is full of great characters. Perfect for a movie script.
I believe there was a Constable named Locke who had a concealed SW M&P the entire siege. He was swept up in the initial hostage takers assault. He ended up playing a role in aiding the assaulters. I was telling that story to my kids, because I always associated that with some serious pucker factor.
The Iron Lady is a standout too. The UK government suddenly got a serious case of balls at Princess Gate, good or bad, the IRA, Argentines and coal miners would soon learn she was not to be screwed with...
militarymoron
04-16-17, 11:37
Actually there is a SAS Survival Handbook and the SAS Urban Survival Handbook (which isn't as good). I think I have almost every Lonsdale book Sniper, Counter Sniper, CQB and a couple others. And yeah Shomer-Tec, Brigade Quartermaster, Sportsmans Guide and a ton of books from Paladin Press.
Also if you haven't found my FB page "Vintage Nunchaku" I have a lot of stuff about early adoption of the nunchaku and PR-24 by law enforcement in the early 1970s. If you search "law enforcement" you'll probably turn up some interesting reading.
I've checked out your nunchaku page before - very interesting. By the way, can anyone identify the weapon on the left in the pic below (not the SPAS12)?
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Rayrevolver
04-16-17, 20:13
Those were actually Hendsolt illuminators that were "pre laser" aiming devices. You could argue they were flashlights with a screened lens that resulted in a projected crosshair. But they weren't rigged, they were a purpose built item.
I stand corrected.
Any pictures of what the projected crosshair looked like in action? I can't imagine the range was very good. But man, I love this type of stuff. Like I when I first saw an old occluded red dot, I enjoy the progression of technology.
I've checked out your nunchaku page before - very interesting. By the way, can anyone identify the weapon on the left in the pic below (not the SPAS12)?
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Hard to tell looks a little like a SR88 but could also be a Cetme L or even a AK5.
Those were actually Hendsolt illuminators that were "pre laser" aiming devices. You could argue they were flashlights with a screened lens that resulted in a projected crosshair. But they weren't rigged, they were a purpose built item.
Could you point me to a good source, these are what I've always thought were the versions of the H-illuminators:
http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9695
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/Heckler_Koch/Hensoldt_Z24_IlluminatorK.jpg
http://www.mg-42.net/G3_hensoldt.htm
I stand corrected.
Any pictures of what the projected crosshair looked like in action? I can't imagine the range was very good. But man, I love this type of stuff. Like I when I first saw an old occluded red dot, I enjoy the progression of technology.
I never had one and passed on the chance to buy one when they surplused on the market about 10 years ago. And yeah, performance wasn't amazing and was mostly intended for dark rooms, possibly filled with smoke for guys wearing a gas mask. It functioned more like a precise flashlight that gave you a reliable POI since iron sights would have been very difficult.
Also lead to an unconventional slinging technique, stocks were not extended and the MP5 was extended until the sling was tight and they used the aiming devices more or less how a projected red dot would be used years later.
I always wanted this poster as a kid . . .
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2942/33225166934_6c60045a48_m.jpg
Never got it, though I hear there is an MP5 50th Anniversary reproduction I might have to allocate.
You'll hate me. I have that poster. Was in my room framed going through high school. I was the strange kid with gun posters in my room opposed to actresses.
Could you point me to a good source, these are what I've always thought were the versions of the H-illuminators:
http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9695
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/Heckler_Koch/Hensoldt_Z24_IlluminatorK.jpg
http://www.mg-42.net/G3_hensoldt.htm
Those illuminators simply lit the cross hairs for your typical Z24 G3 scope. Correct terminology, same company, different item. Haven't had much luck with an online source, I too once thought they were mounted maglites (similar profile for sure) since I had seen the same setup on a few SWAT guns.
FF posted a pic of what looks to be a later generation version (perhaps a true laser model). I recall them being discussed on HKPro and I think that is where I was corrected and I recall them briefly being offered for sale in Shotgun news.
I always wanted this poster as a kid . . .
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2942/33225166934_6c60045a48_m.jpg
Never got it, though I hear there is an MP5 50th Anniversary reproduction I might have to allocate.
Man, I used to get a bunch of those type HK posters from the ITD. Some were photos and some were sketches by Dick Kramer.
Here's a repro for sale: https://us.hkwebshop.com/HKWebShop/show/byItemID/10049//289
Interesting. 5 bucks.....not bad.
Biggest regret is not getting than DOC HK94 when I had the chance. They got turkish clones but....not the same.
Interesting. 5 bucks.....not bad.
Biggest regret is not getting than DOC HK94 when I had the chance. They got turkish clones but....not the same.
Had a DOC 94 which I SBRd, then got two second import MKEs, a 94 and a 94k which both were SBR'd. When my factory DOC 94 hit $5,000 I sold it without worrying about it. I have a couple actual, factual MP5s but I always wanted a factory semi for a knock around gun. The MKE's knock around just fine, if you are interested, get one while they are here.
That said, once I have everything in order, a SP5k is next on my list. And if they ever make a factory 94 or SP5 pistol, I'll buy another.
militarymoron
04-17-17, 08:10
Hard to tell looks a little like a SR88 but could also be a Cetme L or even a AK5.
Thanks - that photo was take before 2002 if that helps. I never thought to ask the person who sent it to me (the guy on the left) and I've lost his contact info. He never claimed that he was in the SAS but sent me a few souvenirs (small lapel pins, a pewter challenge coin, SAS card and an RAF aircrew release knife (they type that was sewn to the CRW vest shoulder)).
platoonDaddy
04-17-17, 08:14
Admiral "Ace" Lyons we have had many opportunities to change the course of "history"
https://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=51fe948515b4
polydeuces
04-17-17, 08:22
It can be found on Amazon and Netflix.
You sure? Just checked both no cogar. Netflix is known to cycle out movies.
You sure? Just checked both no cogar. Netflix is known to cycle out movies.
https://www.amazon.com/The-SAS-In-Action/dp/B000EMU4QY/ref=sr_1_5?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1492453309&sr=1-5&keywords=the+sas+in+action
https://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/The-SAS-in-Action/70000600?strackid=5df6a9dbd3719c9e_1_srl&trkid=201891639
This looks good, I saw who dares wins a while ago, I will see this no doubt about it. D cell flashlights clamped to the top of the MP5...LOL, we have come a long way.
This looks good, I saw who dares wins a while ago, I will see this no doubt about it. D cell flashlights clamped to the top of the MP5...LOL, we have come a long way.
When Delta rescued Muse in Panama a lot of them used hose clamps for their lights. With my very first issued M4, I used duct tape; we had the regular round heat shields and no rails. It wasn't all that long ago.
Rayrevolver
04-17-17, 17:25
This looks good, I saw who dares wins a while ago, I will see this no doubt about it. D cell flashlights clamped to the top of the MP5...LOL, we have come a long way.
Crap, I was the one who brought up flashlights attached but I think was proven wrong. I did think it jived with what LAV and company did in Panama.
Man, I hate that I started that in this thread. Misinformation is terrible.
Crap, I was the one who brought up flashlights attached but I think was proven wrong. I did think it jived with what LAV and company did in Panama.
Man, I hate that I started that in this thread. Misinformation is terrible.
Don't feel bad, I've actually seen that plenty of times. Lot of SWAT guns with clamped Maglites through the 80s. I don't know what the official Hendsolt aiming devices sold for back then but I imagine it was an amazingly expensive flashlight that had a cross hair lens. I kind of wonder if they weren't given to the SAS to beta test them.
Also if you look at the photos, not everyone has one. Seems like 1 in 3 guys had that setup, if they were just ordinary flashlights I'd think everyone would have one. And like I said, I operated under the assumption that it was a flashlight on an HK mount for years before I found out differently.
Will be interesting to see what they are running around with in the movie.
militarymoron
04-17-17, 22:16
Does the front of the Hendsolt aiming device look exactly like a flashlight lens/reflector, or does it look different? I can't tell the difference from a regular flashlight in this pic:
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Does the front of the Hendsolt aiming device look exactly like a flashlight lens/reflector, or does it look different? I can't tell the difference from a regular flashlight in this pic:
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Well crap, now I'm back on the fence. Maybe the Hendsolt just had a cross hair on the lens like a effin batsignal. I've been trying to track down the post on HKpro from year ago.
ETA: So crap, I might be wrong again. I thought there was a second generation device to this one:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-parts-accessories-sale/234752-wts-hk-hensoldt-factory-aiming-device.html
But so far that is the only one I'm turning up. Based on the photo you provided and the dates involved it does very much look like they are running some kind of maglite on a claw mount. Perhaps those were built by Hensoldt, perhaps they have a black dot on the lens, I'm officially back to "not sure" again.
I wish we knew someone from Hensoldt that could give us a straight answer. Hemsoldt made those but even with late 70s, super bleeding edge tech; I dont think it was a "bat signal" deal. Hensoldt made those mounts and obviously mated them with Maglite bodies. Maglite D cells are very robust. So it isnt inaccurate to say they were made by Hensoldt. The Hensoldt/HK later models got further away from the Maglite body and I found pictures of a rudimentary cable switch. I think we arre all blind men groping an elephant.
None of us are truly "wrong" but are blind to what it truly is. Their Avon masks were not easy to aim with hence that weird SAS sling brace point shoot. At SMG distance the light alone would give a good over bore aiming reference and I am sure Hensoldt ruggedized it for recoil. Later revisions seem to occlude it all and project a crosshair, but well after 1980. They even popped some on Sterling Mk 4s.(looked at an old Janes book I had aince college).
They were, it appears, maglites. But not exactly factor or configured to be aiming projectors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI3HY7g0MDU
This clenches it. All perp guns and all actual SAS guns. Looks like they used A3s with polymer trigger housings which seems anachronistic but apparently not.
Actual words from actual guys
FF, doing some more looking I found this.
http://i.imgur.com/LadLSjz.jpg
I was positive somebody showed me a maglite profile "aiming decive" but what is in the picture is clearly a large flashlight. Not sure who made it but that is the exact same thing they were running around with in other pictures.
IIRC Maglite did have aiming projectors but just were ultimately endcaps.
I think the Aiming Projector spiel was short lived by 85 at least as actual lasers were available like the LS45. They made AR, HK, FAL, and Pistol mounts for the LS45.
Eventually Surefire came in and made it all more practical with actual weaponlights meant to be just lights and not aiming devices
ETA
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images3/360/0411/19/sas-mp5-maglite-cell_360_8e9fbe6afd605a62a6867742ca24c693.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/16/article-0-092B0F64000005DC-25_468x545.jpg
Thanks for the video. Just tracked it down on DVD and ordered it.
So mystery solved and another opportunity to look deep into one of the most famous SAS operations and gain a few new details. On the heels of one terrorist disaster after another, it seemed to me as a kid that the world was going to shit. Sure there was Entebbe but I just didn't understand much about what happened or what it was about to appreciate the significance.
But I did remember the 1972 Olympics and that "arab terrorists" killed athletes held hostage and of course our own hostages were being held in Iran and we had just experienced a disastrous failure in a rescue attempt and nobody knew what would happen next. The Russians were in Afghanistan and everything seemed out of control.
Then a few days after the actual incident, US news picked up on the story of the Iranian Embassy raid and rescue and seemed to turn everything around. Grainy footage of guys charging in to save the day probably had some impact on the negotiated release of our hostages in Iran. I know it made an impression on me, that somehow the good guys also had guys with machine guns ready to do what it took to save the day.
It wouldn't be until Reagan bombed Libya that I would feel that way again. Because even though we were killing Russian "bad guys" I still failed to see much of a difference between the Afghan "freedom fighters" we were helping and all the other middle eastern fighters who chanted "Death to America" and attacked us whenever possible.
It was also a strange time when Iraq was our "ally" in the region and Eddie Murphy was making films about them like "Best Defense" where the Iraqi army was our well meaning, but sometimes comically bumbling buddy fighting a common enemy.
There was a lot of "weird" in the 80s when you think about it. So many things that should have been obvious weren't and so many things that we shouldn't have done, we did. At least the SAS made sense to me.
Moose-Knuckle
04-18-17, 04:26
You'll hate me. I have that poster. Was in my room framed going through high school. I was the strange kid with gun posters in my room opposed to actresses.
Nah no hate, just some jelly!
In my childhood bedroom I had woodland camouflage bedding and curtains along with a huge Schwarzenegger Predator poster and tons of other cool stuff but never an HK poster.
Man, I used to get a bunch of those type HK posters from the ITD. Some were photos and some were sketches by Dick Kramer.
Here's a repro for sale: https://us.hkwebshop.com/HKWebShop/show/byItemID/10049//289
That's the MP5 50th anniversary poster I saw.
I miss those Dick Kramer coffee mugs, the history of the assault rifle was my favorite.
Moose-Knuckle
04-18-17, 04:40
But man, I love this type of stuff. Like I when I first saw an old occluded red dot, I enjoy the progression of technology.
Our own DaveM penned this article on the evolution of weapon lights, I geeked out when I read it.
Nothing from a Vacuum: Weapon Mounted Lights (http://www.breachbangclear.com/nothing-from-a-vacuum-weapon-mounted-lights/)
Moose-Knuckle
04-18-17, 04:48
FF, doing some more looking I found this.
http://i.imgur.com/LadLSjz.jpg
I was positive somebody showed me a maglite profile "aiming decive" but what is in the picture is clearly a large flashlight. Not sure who made it but that is the exact same thing they were running around with in other pictures.
I remember you and I have discussed this in the past, it was the first time I heard these might be Hensoldt illuminators.
I still think they are D-cell flashlights, not Maglite brand but similar probably of UK manufacture.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/Maglite%20MP5%201_zpsz7jtj5uo.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/AKS-74/media/Maglite%20MP5%201_zpsz7jtj5uo.jpg.html)
Moose-Knuckle
05-12-17, 04:16
Trailer #2 has dropped:
MP5 pornage overload warning . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABJ7nNQhrs
militarymoron
05-12-17, 07:54
ooh yeah...
edited to add: is that a PM-63 RAK the terrorist was holding on the hostages?
Rayrevolver
05-12-17, 08:04
I work with some active duty RAF guys and was trying to setup range time so they could shoot my MP5K clone. One of them was 7 or 8 at the time of the raid but remembers it well. We had a good chat.
He referred to them as "The Regiment" and did similar things with them as we do with our "Teams" people. Good stuff. Can't wait to see this.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
05-12-17, 10:54
I know I am late to the party on this one, but this is the only movie I am excited to see in theaters this year. I've been hammering out WWII history books lately, but I think I may start diving into Selous Scouts and British SAS history soon.
Looks like its going to be a good movie I cant wait to see it.. I've had a thing for the MP5 since I was a kid
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Takes me back to my youth, mustaches all the way around. I had some very hi speed kit I developed a Streamlight SL-20 hose clamped along side an Uzi.
I still have a bad case of Hi Power love since it was my duty pistol for a very long time.
I had a friend that was related to Wingate, that had a photo of himself with a sand beret and a similar photo of his son also with a sand beret.
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Takes me back to my youth, mustaches all the way around. I had some very hi speed kit I developed a Streamlight SL-20 hose clamped along side an Uzi.
Good stuff. Fun days. I still have a working old slide-switch SL-20 from back in the day. I got the new "x" version shortly after getting this one and put it back on the box. It's still in mint condition. Now... If only I wouldn't have traded my original W. German P226...
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/det-sog/6D0AD931-69D0-405F-B650-D12B59C1F1D9_zpskzgeb5z0.jpg (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/det-sog/media/6D0AD931-69D0-405F-B650-D12B59C1F1D9_zpskzgeb5z0.jpg.html)
Has anyone seen a release date for the movie yet? This is one I would like to see in theaters with some of my buddies.
Has anyone seen a release date for the movie yet? This is one I would like to see in theaters with some of my buddies.
Don't seem to have a US release date, but in the UK it will be this August.
The event that immediately made the MP5 a legend. Looks good.
I've checked out your nunchaku page before - very interesting. By the way, can anyone identify the weapon on the left in the pic below (not the SPAS12)?
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It's a short barreled AR18.
parishioner
07-06-17, 22:05
Podcast interview with SAS Staff Sergeant Rusty Firmin-Blue team leader during the siege, published yesterday.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/global-recon-podcast/id1077045014?mt=2&i=1000389580841
militarymoron
07-07-17, 09:31
It's a short barreled AR18.
You're right! Thanks for that ID. I wasn't aware of the short barreled version of the AR18. Found a good pic here:
http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/AR-18S-Sterling.jpeg
Now that's a cool SBR. The upper one would be my choice.
Looks like a really cool movie, thanks so much for posting this.
Moose-Knuckle
07-08-17, 05:03
You're right! Thanks for that ID. I wasn't aware of the short barreled version of the AR18. Found a good pic here:
http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/AR-18S-Sterling.jpeg
Wonder if there is any connection with the IRA's use of the AR-18. Perhaps the SAS acquired some for familiarization back during The Troubles.
Looks like a really cool movie, thanks so much for posting this.
Your welcome, figured there would be more than a few interested in it here. No US release date as of yet, UK release next month. It might only go straight to disc here some time in the fall.
Wonder if there is any connection with the IRA's use of the AR-18. Perhaps the SAS acquired some for familiarization back during The Troubles.
I suspect it has more to do with the fact that Sterling in England was one of three manufacturers of the Armalite AR-18/180 and it was simply available to them.
Moose-Knuckle
07-09-17, 04:41
I suspect it has more to do with the fact that Sterling in England was one of three manufacturers of the Armalite AR-18/180 and it was simply available to them.
Then there is that.
Did the MoD ever adopt the AR-18 in any capacity? No doubt SAS had not standard arms available.
Wonder why Sterling set up shot to produce the AR-18 in the UK, back then could civilians even have those type of firearms?
Then there is that.
Did the MoD ever adopt the AR-18 in any capacity? No doubt SAS had not standard arms available.
Wonder why Sterling set up shot to produce the AR-18 in the UK, back then could civilians even have those type of firearms?
Unsure but the other was Howa in Japan and they definitely couldn't have them. But both companies produced them and sold them to the US market. There are Costa Mesa rifles (1,171 AR-18s and 4,018 AR-180s between 1969 and 1972) but it seems Sterling made most of them (12,362 AR-180s between the 1979 and 1985) with Howa coming in second (3,927 AR-180s between 1970 and 1974).
The SA-80 is largely based upon the same operating system.
Moose-Knuckle
07-11-17, 03:45
We were in position outside the Iranian Embassy. Adrenaline was flowing. Then we got the signal... GO, GO, GO! Event gets exclusive access behind the scenes of the film that dramatises the SAS's finest hour
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-4672062/Behind-scenes-film-SAS-s-finest-hour.html#ixzz4mVexuCFU
Anyone identify the knife?
I ass-u-me that the film makers had technical advisers that are retired SAS on set. Never seen this knife, figured they would have had a Fairbairn–Sykes. It appears to be a fixed blade with two additional folding blades stowed in the handle. Sort of reminds me of the German paratrooper/gravity knives.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4264/35721437871_77b6b54613_b.jpg
Film depicts D cell white incandescent lights atop their MP5s.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4289/35013220334_075350365d_z.jpg
Anyone identify the knife?
I ass-u-me that the film makers had technical advisers that are retired SAS on set. Never seen this knife, figured they would have had a Fairbairn–Sykes. It appears to be a fixed blade with two additional folding blades stowed in the handle. Sort of reminds me of the German paratrooper/gravity knives.
I remember seeing something like that a long time ago. I think the user depressed the tabs to release the knife from the sheath.
A rough night and an early hour are leaving my google skills wanting, though.
militarymoron
07-11-17, 10:42
Anyone identify the knife?
It's a Rodgers/Sheffield MKIII RAF Aircrew Release Knife. I have one; I'll take some pics of it. It was sent to me by the person in the picture I posted earlier that was holding the shorty AR18. He was an armourer in the British Army and had been around the SAS on training exercises. He had contacted me out of the blue maybe 15 or more years ago, after discovering my website. He said that he had some SAS-related souvenirs that I could have for free, if I was interested. I said 'Sure!' and a few weeks later, a package arrived from the UK with the aircrew knife, a pewter SAS coin, and some small pins. He never asked for anything in return and would just send me the occasional 'hope you and the family are doing well' email.
It's a Rodgers/Sheffield MKIII RAF Aircrew Release Knife. I have one; I'll take some pics of it. It was sent to me by the person in the picture I posted earlier that was holding the shorty AR18. He was an armourer in the British Army and had been around the SAS on training exercises. He had contacted me out of the blue maybe 15 or more years ago, after discovering my website. He said that he had some SAS-related souvenirs that I could have for free, if I was interested. I said 'Sure!' and a few weeks later, a package arrived from the UK with the aircrew knife, a pewter SAS coin, and some small pins. He never asked for anything in return and would just send me the occasional 'hope you and the family are doing well' email.
Cool shit like that never happens to me. [emoji53]
At first glance I thought it was a dagger blade...was surprised to find this... (Ebay image)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/46d4689d48ae248ecb69724aa90ac180.png
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militarymoron
07-11-17, 11:53
At first glance I thought it was a dagger blade...was surprised to find this...
The curved blade was for cutting parachute lines (shrouds), not really for general use. The MKII had a more conventional bowie-style blade.
militarymoron
07-11-17, 11:57
I think the user depressed the tabs to release the knife from the sheath.
That's correct. They look like folding knife blades recessed in the handle but are actually the two tabs you depress to release the knife from the sheath. The hole at the end of the handle fits over that steel post on the sheath, and the spring loaded tabs lock it in place until depressed.
The curved blade was for cutting parachute lines (shrouds), not really for general use. The MKII had a more conventional bowie-style blade.
Very cool. I like to think I'm up to speed on vintage knives...obviously I have much to learn. [emoji846]
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Moose-Knuckle
07-12-17, 04:05
It's a Rodgers/Sheffield MKIII RAF Aircrew Release Knife. I have one; I'll take some pics of it. It was sent to me by the person in the picture I posted earlier that was holding the shorty AR18. He was an armourer in the British Army and had been around the SAS on training exercises. He had contacted me out of the blue maybe 15 or more years ago, after discovering my website. He said that he had some SAS-related souvenirs that I could have for free, if I was interested. I said 'Sure!' and a few weeks later, a package arrived from the UK with the aircrew knife, a pewter SAS coin, and some small pins. He never asked for anything in return and would just send me the occasional 'hope you and the family are doing well' email.
That's correct. They look like folding knife blades recessed in the handle but are actually the two tabs you depress to release the knife from the sheath. The hole at the end of the handle fits over that steel post on the sheath, and the spring loaded tabs lock it in place until depressed.
Thanks for the information. I assumed due to placement and the handle (thought those were folding blades like on the German para knives), they were for self rescue in the invent of a parachute accident but did not realize that the fixed blade is in fact curved and about the metal release tabs on the slide.
You learn something new everyday.
Did your friend ever say anything about that AR-18 SBR, would love to know the back story on those?
militarymoron
07-12-17, 09:10
Did your friend ever say anything about that AR-18 SBR, would love to know the back story on those?
I lost contact with him years ago when I switched from AOL to gmail, and didn't save my contact list or old emails. Here are some pics of the knife I have:
https://i.imgur.com/D3DPPFq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jpW2JbD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AYhIBRW.jpg
Here's the pic I took at the SAS Operation Nimrod display at the Imperial War Museum in London back in 2000 again:
https://i.imgur.com/EIr3iT0.jpg
That beret is awesome.
Interesting photo from the IWM, never saw a black leather MP5 magazine pouch.
On some cross training with Royal Marines I made a friend who sent me a box of goodies, a lot of 80s-era DPM, some kit, their RMC beret. Over the years I gave most away as he was a wee man of small stature (smoked like a chimney and ran 5 miles in 30 minutes). I really do dig their gear, especially the 80s-era DPM cammo.
militarymoron
07-12-17, 15:12
Interesting photo from the IWM, never saw a black leather MP5 magazine pouch.
Leather was used because of its no melt/no drip properties for a lot of the SAS CRW gear/kit. Paul Evers was one of the people who made the leather gear for the SAS; I was fortunate to correspond with him and feature some of his gear on my site before he passed away in 2005. He sent me one of his then-current belt kits for the Sig P226: https://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/firstline.html#peh
He was an amazingly humble gentleman who took his time to email back and forth with me; answering my questions and sending out gear to a nobody (me) who didn't have much of a website then, but had an interest in the SAS and was born in England. After Paul passed away, Price Western continued producing his designs - here's their current leather MP5 triple pouch: https://pwluk.com/en/product/tactical-closed-top-mag-pouch/
I found a facebook album (probably Asian collectors) with pic of some of Paul Evers gear (they even swiped pics off my website): https://www.facebook.com/pg/CRWSAS/photos/?tab=album&album_id=475215365987478
Moose-Knuckle
07-13-17, 03:36
MM, that is some impressive SAS militeria. :cool:
WickedWillis
07-13-17, 12:46
Leather was used because of its no melt/no drip properties for a lot of the SAS CRW gear/kit. Paul Evers was one of the people who made the leather gear for the SAS; I was fortunate to correspond with him and feature some of his gear on my site before he passed away in 2005. He sent me one of his then-current belt kits for the Sig P226: https://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/firstline.html#peh
He was an amazingly humble gentleman who took his time to email back and forth with me; answering my questions and sending out gear to a nobody (me) who didn't have much of a website then, but had an interest in the SAS and was born in England. After Paul passed away, Price Western continued producing his designs - here's their current leather MP5 triple pouch: https://pwluk.com/en/product/tactical-closed-top-mag-pouch/
I found a facebook album (probably Asian collectors) with pic of some of Paul Evers gear (they even swiped pics off my website): https://www.facebook.com/pg/CRWSAS/photos/?tab=album&album_id=475215365987478
So many incredible things there. Thanks for sharing!
militarymoron
07-16-17, 21:44
For those interested in the equipment used, here are a few more links to peruse:
Paul Evers BHP mag pouch (https://crimethroughtimecollection.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/history-of-the-sas-featured-in-our-brief-exhibition-here-at-littledean-jail/authentic-sas-used-leather-browning-pistol-magazine-pouch-made-by-paul-evers-as-of-the-type-used-during-the-iranian-embassy-siege-on-5-may-1980-by-former-sas-trooper-pete-winner-aka-soldier/)
S6 Respirator (https://crimethroughtimecollection.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/history-of-the-sas-featured-in-our-brief-exhibition-here-at-littledean-jail/authentic-hand-signed-s6-nbc-protective-gas-mask-respirator-and-holdall-as-of-the-type-used-during-the-iranian-embassy-siege-on-5-may-1980-by-former-sas-trooper-pete-winner-aka-soldier-i-n-2/)
https://crimethroughtimecollection.wordpress.com/tag/oaklands/
According to The Google this movie will hit U.S. theaters August 18th.
According to The Google this movie will hit U.S. theaters August 18th.
Right around the same time that kim jong un's missiles will hit the water around Guam (he claimed).
Moose-Knuckle
08-12-17, 02:26
According to The Google this movie will hit U.S. theaters August 18th.
Thanks for the heads up, hopefully it won't be a limited release.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-21-17, 23:52
Just bought it on iTunes for an upcoming trip
Saw this. Dropped my phone. Bought it on Apple TV and risked the wrath of the wife and stayed up late watching it on the bedroom TV. Now I'm writing this...
Taut, captivating, informative, very British. If you are a Prince's Gate, SAS, or Final Option fan you have no choice. I am not an 80s gear whore but everything looked good to me and the guns seemed correct. Tactics and all the SAS detail lead-up were engrossing as well.
I'm more Final Option than historical scholar but the overall story held me tight and not screaming at the TV. That is a rare event for an action movie and even pseudo documentary like this.
Will re-watch tomorrow night in surround sound on a 75" instead of 65" TV and headphones :-)
Dennis.
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Moose-Knuckle
08-22-17, 04:53
I was able to find it at a cinema one town over. Had a private viewing as I went by myself after tucking in the fam and no one was there! :neo:
What a nail biter! Had me on the edge of my seat from the beginning as it starts out right at kick-off. No back stories, romance bullshit, just straight to the fireworks.
I think most of you know how Operation Nimrod ended so it won't be much of a spoiler how the film ends lol.
For fans of Tora! Tora! Tora! this film's style reminded me of it. They would introduce locations and people with a subtitle on the bottom of the screen very easy to follow the chain of events that way and know who is who with all the twists and turns.
A few things that I learned:
The Special Projects Team had to drive 140 miles from barracks in Hereford to Princes' Gates in London after the call went out. Hard to believe that in 1980 the premiere CT unit in the UK had to drive that distance instead of taking a helo(s) to what would become one of their biggest operations.
When the SPT assaulters kitted up they each carried on their belts just forward of their Hi Powers on their strong sides what appeared to be Tomahawks. As the film unfolded the long wood handle implements appeared to actually be miniature sledge hammers. So instead of just having a breacher with a maul assigned to each element everyone carried a hammer so they could handle obstructions on the individual level.
While the Iranian ethnic Arab minority terror cell stormed the embassy it was an Iraqi national who smuggled into the country via diplomatic pouches the small arms and explosives they would use.
ETA:
The politics were highlighted in this film as they should have been. I walked away with even more respect for the Iron Lady.
short but good and to the point :)
loved the audio in this one to well done
Watched last night. Enjoyed it quite a bit. Even though I knew the ending it was still "exciting" to watch. I can see why this wouldn't do well in theaters. No character development, no love interests, no sex just straight to the point.
I can't find this movie in theaters near me :(
Is it available on netflix? or dvd for purchase?
Moose-Knuckle
08-23-17, 13:41
I can't find this movie in theaters near me :(
Is it available on netflix? or dvd for purchase?
Sam, I believe this had a soft limited release in theaters here.
Not sure as to streaming availability.
I can't find this movie in theaters near me :(
Is it available on netflix? or dvd for purchase?
You can buy it on iTunes or Google Play Movies, $6.99.....
You can buy it on iTunes or Google Play Movies, $6.99.....
The $6.99 is the rental price from iTunes. I think the purchase was $14.99. If not I got ripped off last night.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-23-17, 17:05
I watched it on a plane last night. It was no "London Has Fallen", thank God. I think they do a disservice here in the US by calling it "6 Days". I know most Brits will inherently know how long it was, but here in the US, it might be a bit more suspenseful on day 2 when they are stacked up that this is not "Go Time".
Very British, to me, in that they didn't overstate things. It wasn't like a typical Hollywood action movie with the usual BS--- there wasn't a dude behind a door to whack a good guy. They didn't have a foreshadowing about how powerful a breaching charge was.
One thing I did find odd was it seemed like Jamie Bell's character was not battle tested? I would have thought in that time frame that an SAS guy would have at least seen some stuff in Northern Ireland?
The politics were interesting. Both internal and external. One question I had was the SAS guys seemed to be pro-Thatcher, but by some comments they made about education and class, I would have assumed that they would have been less a fan of her economic policies?
12.99 for the purchase. And for the ability to sit on my own couch and drink my own beer on my own time is worth the 12.99 price.
I too streamed this tonight. 7 bucks is a bit steep to rent but I'd rather have a physical copy to own.
I agree it was very "British" and dry.
But it captured the vibe of the time.
I will say that the Arab translator chick was kinda hot.
And...while it lacked a jazzy and snarky leitmotif like Who Dares Wins....it delivered what I wanted. British SAS dudes who looked like Lemmy or Ringo smoking and eating fish and chips waiting to shoot the bad guys.
It felt almost like a documentary which is good I guess.
MP5 and BHP porn abounds. They had the A3s, the suppressed ones, and the MP5K.
I kinda like these 1980s period films. With modern film making it captures the events without looking too cheesy.
Like if it were made circa 1985 it'd be a Cannon films deal with UZIs, caricatures of the terrorists, and cheesy squib effects.
Dude mag dumping that one guy in the gut was pretty gangster. I admit I perked up from my Mr. Pibb and said "Street rules!"
What I liked about the film was that despite the legend of the SAS; they didn't shy away from admitting that this could have gone way, way bad.
In our current era, we look back on it as an HK advertisement "Oh gee wow! Ninjas killing Ay-rabs with MP5s! Cool!"
No! It was hard work, very risky and while the terrorists get zero sympathy from me....there was a point where you could tell the honcho knew he done screwed the pooch. I wont say it was "sad" but he wasn't as oohrah about being a 'martyr' as his buddy.
I felt bad for the cop. He had a revolver and a gaggle of guys armed with SMGs and grenades. He was in a tight spot.
I dunno....even if he went John Wesley Hardin with that .38; it wouldnt have ended well.
There was an....I am remiss to use the word..."innocence" of terrorism of that era. Guys go in, take hostages, make demands, play Monty Hall, and who knows.
Now if a bunch of SW Asian/ME/Chechen guys bust in on you with guns they are probably going to straight up kill you.
It's a different world indeed.
I suppose thats why I like these retrospective films; the world was never "simpler" but it was far more familiar in its mores.
I'm glad it wasnt some shaky cam video game like it could have been.
I dunno if I would watch it again. Like End of Watch it left me a bit queasy. The human suffering of the hostages was palpable as was the frustration with the lead policeman to resolve the situation.
It wasn't laden with 80s pop like Argo nor was it treated like a sure thing.
During rehearsal, the SAS guys were getting tunnel vision and making mistakes. They corrected themselves but they were humans. Not some bunch of robots.
But yes, more people should see it at least once. It isnt some glorified shootout. The combat action barely makes up 15 minutes.
All I know is that I'll not look at the HK poster again and think "oh wow cool!"
In fact....it's kind of depressing to me now.
I noticed a few MP5N's in the mix with the A3's, but what a good flick. It's gotten me reading about the development and history of the MP5. I see a new clone build or three in the future.
Does anyone know when it's out on DVD? I'd like to see it, right now I don't have 90 minutes to devote to a movie.
Rayrevolver
10-13-17, 17:30
I noticed a few MP5N's in the mix with the A3's, but what a good flick. It's gotten me reading about the development and history of the MP5. I see a new clone build or three in the future.
POFs are back in-stock at Atlantic. A few hundred cheaper than the Zenith/MKE.
Moose-Knuckle
10-14-17, 04:06
Does anyone know when it's out on DVD? I'd like to see it, right now I don't have 90 minutes to devote to a movie.
DVD released on October 3rd, no info on the Bluray.
https://www.amazon.com/6-Days-Jamie-Bell/dp/B0748FGDL4/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1507971949&sr=1-2&keywords=Six+Days
So just watched this. Pretty impressive. Reminded me of "Argo" with respect to the details, especially previously unknown details. Also, like Argo, it really helped put you into the situation like few films can.
DVD released on October 3rd, no info on the Bluray.
https://www.amazon.com/6-Days-Jamie-Bell/dp/B0748FGDL4/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1507971949&sr=1-2&keywords=Six+Days
Thanks. At that price I may just end up buying it.
I heard one of the SAS guys (John McAleese) several years ago talk about it. It was luck/a blessing/kismet that it didn't go sideways because it sure could have, many times.
Moose-Knuckle
10-24-17, 04:46
Thanks. At that price I may just end up buying it.
I heard one of the SAS guys (John McAleese) several years ago talk about it. It was luck/a blessing/kismet that it didn't go sideways because it sure could have, many times.
Yup, lots of moving parts. SMUs and hostage rescues are interesting to say the least, probably the most dynamic military actions considering the innocent human life factor and press exposure.
I'm bumping thread as this is now on Netflix
I'm bumping thread as this is now on Netflix
just saw that today :)
MountainRaven
02-12-18, 00:17
I'm bumping thread as this is now on Netflix
I would have done the same - I'm watching it right now.
I think it's pretty well done.
Just finished.. good flick. Even the wife enjoyed it.
I dont want to watch it again because it was good but maybe too good.
I will say that I hope the same people do a film about Operation Sudden Death where the SAS and Paras rescued those Irish Rangers (IIRC) from Sierra Leone.
It was quite an Air Assault by all accounts.
Bro, watch it again. I'm rewatching it now and think it got better as I catch things I missed the first trip through.
I'm bumping thread as this is now on Netflix
Like our, in-the-US Netflix??
I dont want to watch it again because it was good but maybe too good.
I will say that I hope the same people do a film about Operation Sudden Death where the SAS and Paras rescued those Irish Rangers (IIRC) from Sierra Leone.
It was quite an Air Assault by all accounts.
There are about 100 ops in Africa that would be great movies on their own accord...that is one of them....
Like our, in-the-US Netflix??
Correct
I just saw it on Netflix. Very well done. Great suspense, decent action. I’ll have to go watch who dares wins now.
I just saw it on Netflix. Very well done. Great suspense, decent action. I’ll have to go watch who dares wins now.
My wife and I were going to start it last night. We both fell asleep on the couch at 8:45. I know I will have to watch "Who Dares, Wins" again.
My wife and I were going to start it last night. We both fell asleep on the couch at 8:45. .
Join the old folks club :)
As for the movie, I'm low tech with these streaming stuff, so I bought the DVD from Walmart.
My wife and I were going to start it last night. We both fell asleep on the couch at 8:45. I know I will have to watch "Who Dares, Wins" again.We watched it last week, and thought it was pretty good.
But also commented that many would not appreciate it as the "action" was too slow building up. (TTRL syndrome?)
I found it to be fairly accurate, and part of the point was that it dragged on due to a variety of reasons. Mostly political/cya stuff.
Not saying the Brits played the situation exactly right, just that the film seemed to capture the slow boil aspect. And they went to pretty extreme measures to accurately portray the situation and tactics based on contemporary accounts.
Our main nit was that the weasel face turnip farmer from "Turn" did not fit in with the rest of the SAS guys. Was not believable, and had a bad British accent. They couldn't find British actors to play those guys?
I told my wife and daughter as we watched it that we need to find "who dares wins" ("Final Option"). One of my favorite movies. My wife and I saw it in the theater way back, and also overseas while traveling on our honeymoon. Definitely more entertaining, if not really accurate about the scenario. I kept waiting for a helicopter to land in the park and the shooters to load up. Quietly walking onto the roof from the next building is definitely less exciting.
militarymoron
02-13-18, 08:52
Our main nit was that the weasel face turnip farmer from "Turn" did not fit in with the rest of the SAS guys. Was not believable, and had a bad British accent. They couldn't find British actors to play those guys?
You referring to Jamie Bell? He's a Brit.
My wife and I were going to start it last night. We both fell asleep on the couch at 8:45. I know I will have to watch "Who Dares, Wins" again.
I will no doubt have to watch 6 days again. Quick question.......one of the SAS men comes through a window, spots a terrorist and switches to his sidearm rafter he is shot at by the terrorist. WTF?
You referring to Jamie Bell? He's a Brit.That's funny, I started to look that up. As most of the History Channel and AMC actors are British lately.
Well I'll say it again, if he's British he had a mumbly British accent, and he didn't look the part. The Brits have way more Regional accent variances than their country size would imply, so who knows, he was probably using the correct accent for that characters City.
We still call him weasel face in the family because no one likes his character in Turn. He's probably portraying it accurately as well, we just don't like him relative to the other characters.
militarymoron
02-13-18, 10:55
Well I'll say it again, if he's British he had a mumbly British accent, and he didn't look the part. The Brits have way more Regional accent variances than their country size would imply, so who knows, he was probably using the correct accent for that characters City.
He played Billy Elliot in the movie of the same name back in 2000 - here's a clip with his mumbly working-class accent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0tTT_87Hh8
To be honest, much of the British regional accents will sound mumbly to Americans. I was born in Birmingham, which has one of the worst, mumbly, marbles in the mouth, British industrial city working-class accents; but I never really acquired it because my parents didn't speak with a 'Brum' accent, so I grew up speaking English that most would understand. Few people you meet in the street in Britain have that 'Queen's English'/BBC commentator accent unless they've been brought up/schooled/trained that way. Much of England is hard (even for me) to understand now.
Since we're on the subject, 'Who Dares Wins'/Final Option had Lewis Collins as a lead character. He was the star of one of my fave TV-series in the late 70's when I was a kid -'The Professionals', in which Lewis also played an ex-SAS sergeant.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-13-18, 11:04
The name was horrible. I'd forgotten how many days it was, but it really reduces the tension they are trying to build when they are sitting at the breaching door and it says "Day Two". Frankly, I was too young to remember much more than the headlines. Jaime Bell was needed, along with Mark Strong, to sell the movie.
The never searched the cop?
PSA MP-5s soon, bitchezzzzzz.
To be honest, much of the British regional accents will sound mumbly to Americans. I was born in Birmingham, which has one of the worst, mumbly, marbles in the mouth, British industrial city working-class accents; but I never really acquired it because my parents didn't speak with a 'Brum' accent, so I grew up speaking English that most would understand. Few people you meet in the street in Britain have that 'Queen's English'/BBC commentator accent unless they've been brought up/schooled/trained that way. Much of England is hard (even for me) to understand now.
I dated a nurse in the mid-90s who was from England (East End, London), had a for-reals thick Cockney accent. When she got pissed or excited she talked so fast no one could understand her.
Rayrevolver
02-13-18, 12:36
I will no doubt have to watch 6 days again. Quick question.......one of the SAS men comes through a window, spots a terrorist and switches to his sidearm rafter he is shot at by the terrorist. WTF?
Just watched the movie last night. His MP5 went click.
A critical review of the movie from a retired SAS trooper who was there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvqU1bUzyqI
My opinion of the movie was formed before I saw this review.
I saw the old Who Dares Win movie and thought it was entertaining. I didn't compare it to the written account of the raid for accuracy. I watched the movie and knew that it was based on an actual event.
For 6 Days, I was entertained but when the movie ended, I was like, "that's it? I paid $12 for that?". It was like paying a lot of money for an expensive meal but leaving the table not full or satisfied.
To be honest, much of the British regional accents will sound mumbly to Americans. I was born in Birmingham, which has one of the worst, mumbly, marbles in the mouth, British industrial city working-class accents; but I never really acquired it because my parents didn't speak with a 'Brum' accent, so I grew up speaking English that most would understand. Few people you meet in the street in Britain have that 'Queen's English'/BBC commentator accent unless they've been brought up/schooled/trained that way. Much of England is hard (even for me) to understand now.
Have a bunch of relatives in England by way of Barbados. Most in Cambridge area and London.
Now I work for an Irishwoman, and had a public school educated Cockney as a peer a bit ago. Both largely suppress the extreme bits of their accent, but it comes out when angry or animated.
The range of accents is interesting. Add in "the colonials" (Bajan, Kiwi, etc.) that I work with /know and it broadens out. Virtually none BBC. Then again, US "English" was codified by old women in the NE, right or wrong. They wrote the books used in the (then new) schools. So who's to say what is right or wrong.
Not dealt with anyone from Birmingham, but understand it's pretty mushy. We have our areas of indistinct annunciation. One kid who helped me jumpstart an antique truck in middle of nowhere West Texas one night talked like he had a mouth full of marbles. (But I was appreciative!). Have heard pretty mushy in Kentucky. Drawls in the Southern US are strong, but they usually annunciate well. But I can tell the difference between N GA vs Augusta/Charleston vs SW GA / LA (Lower Alabama).
Still wonder how my Irish boss makes "Column" into a 4 syllable word.
Since we're on the subject, 'Who Dares Wins'/Final Option had Lewis Collins as a lead character. He was the star of one of my fave TV-series in the late 70's when I was a kid -'The Professionals', in which Lewis also played an ex-SAS sergeant.
Lewis Collins was great. Now I'll have to see what happened to him. I recall seeing 'The Professionals', but not in a while. May have to track it down. Lewis Collins reminds me of the guy in HMSS. I think Timothy Dalton can channel that same vibe a bit when needed. Or could, anyway.
For 6 Days, I was entertained but when the movie ended, I was like, "that's it? I paid $12 for that?". It was like paying a lot of money for an expensive meal but leaving the table not full or satisfied.
I would have been pissed too if I paid $12. Then again, I am pissed for most that I pay obscene amounts to see in the theater. But for a netflix weeknite watch, I was pleased with "6 Days".
Now they need "6 days later". And "Who Dares, Wins, Again" for all the other interesting SAS fact based scenarios.
I would have been pissed too if I paid $12. Then again, I am pissed for most that I pay obscene amounts to see in the theater. But for a netflix weeknite watch, I was pleased with "6 Days".
Now they need "6 days later". And "Who Dares, Wins, Again" for all the other interesting SAS fact based scenarios.
I have not paid full-price for a movie ticket in years, and I am not, ever, ever.
Yeah, the SAS have some amazing exploits that can be turned into film. So have the other services. I'd love to see a movie about the 22 RMs who tried to hold off the Argentine force http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/5153220/The-22-Royal-Marines-who-took-on-Argentine-Falklands-invasion-force.html
militarymoron
02-13-18, 15:40
Not dealt with anyone from Birmingham, but understand it's pretty mushy. We have our areas of indistinct annunciation. One kid who helped me jumpstart an antique truck in middle of nowhere West Texas one night talked like he had a mouth full of marbles. (But I was appreciative!). Have heard pretty mushy in Kentucky. Drawls in the Southern US are strong, but they usually annunciate well. But I can tell the difference between N GA vs Augusta/Charleston vs SW GA / LA (Lower Alabama).
Lewis Collins was great. Now I'll have to see what happened to him. I recall seeing 'The Professionals', but not in a while. May have to track it down. Lewis Collins reminds me of the guy in HMSS. I think Timothy Dalton can channel that same vibe a bit when needed. Or could, anyway.
On the whole, I think Brits talk faster, so combined with the mumbling, it can make it even more difficult to decipher what they're saying. I don't have any trouble understanding most American accents; even if the pronunciation is different. It's usually slower and that helps a lot. Plus I've been here 34 years and been exposed much more to American accents than Brit ones.
Lewis Collins passed away in 2013.
Lewis Collins passed away in 2013.
I googled it and found that he passed from cancer 10 days before our AC :(
I googled it and found that he passed from cancer 10 days before our AC :(RIP AC and Lewis. Don't know if Lewis quantifies as a hero, but if he played SAS guys well, I'll give him benefit of doubt. No doubt about AC.
I can only hope and pray to be as gracefull in my exit.
MountainRaven
02-13-18, 20:04
The name was horrible. I'd forgotten how many days it was, but it really reduces the tension they are trying to build when they are sitting at the breaching door and it says "Day Two". Frankly, I was too young to remember much more than the headlines. Jaime Bell was needed, along with Mark Strong, to sell the movie.
The never searched the cop?
PSA MP-5s soon, bitchezzzzzz.
First: We generally almost always know how every historical piece is going to end before we start watching. Gettysberg, Braveheart, Kingdom of Heaven, 13 Hours, Black Hawk Down, Dunkirk, We Were Soldiers, Zulu, A Bridge Too Far, whatever.
Second: No, they didn't. These were the halcyon days of terrorism, when you didn't need to search hostages for guns or phones, and could hijack an airplane with reasonable certainty that the passengers weren't willing to die in order to kill you.
militarymoron
02-13-18, 22:44
RIP AC and Lewis. Don't know if Lewis quantifies as a hero, but if he played SAS guys well, I'll give him benefit of doubt. No doubt about AC.
I can only hope and pray to be as gracefull in my exit.
I remember seeing Lewis on TV in England, raising funds for charities. Apparently he did a lot of that kind of thing and was also quite the jack of all trades. He may not have qualified as a 'hero'; but he seemed to have his heart in the right place.
From wikipedia: "Collins was a private in the 10 Para (Volunteer) Regiment of the British Army's Territorial Army in the late 1970s-early 1980s.[17]
In the early 1980s he passed initial selection for the 21 Special Air Service (Volunteer) Regiment but was denied from continuing because "senior officers ruled that his celebrity status made him a security risk."[18]"
A bit more info: http://www.parachuteregiment-hsf.org/Lewis_Collins.html
A critical review of the movie from a retired SAS trooper who was there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvqU1bUzyqI
My opinion of the movie was formed before I saw this review.
I saw the old Who Dares Win movie and thought it was entertaining. I didn't compare it to the written account of the raid for accuracy. I watched the movie and knew that it was based on an actual event.
For 6 Days, I was entertained but when the movie ended, I was like, "that's it? I paid $12 for that?". It was like paying a lot of money for an expensive meal but leaving the table not full or satisfied.
I don't watch such movies any more knowing they will be 98% fiction, 2% accurate. I;d rather see something like the BBC documentary, which he says was accurate. I'd rather see a movie that does not pretend to represent what actually happened with "based on true events" that's not trying to BS me. So, I have seen none of the recent movies of this genre (e.g. American Sniper, etc), and prefer good fictional stuff with a basis in truth such as Sicario.
“Yeah, the SAS have some amazing exploits that can be turned into film. So have the other services. I'd love to see a movie about the 22 RMs who tried to hold off the Argentine force.”
This might be of interest, then: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dmovies-tv&field-keywords=An+ungentlemanly+act
“Yeah, the SAS have some amazing exploits that can be turned into film. So have the other services. I'd love to see a movie about the 22 RMs who tried to hold off the Argentine force.”
This might be of interest, then: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dmovies-tv&field-keywords=An+ungentlemanly+act
Thanks! It got excellent reviews so I will have to give it a go.
Just watched the movie last night. His MP5 went click.
That was then L/Cpl (Tpr) Thomas Palmer.
Sadly killed three years later in Northern Ireland.
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