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Latest riots at Berkeley via vids. Seems a total lack of po po presence. Are they taking a "let the idiots figure it out for themselves" approach to this? I'd expect some would be yelling "where's the police?" followed by "police brutality!" if/when they show up and start laying down the law, or has that area of CA decided the law no longer required to maintain order? As you can see, these are not just a few kids getting into it in a flash mob, but planned protests/counter protests. Me, I say needs more pepper spray...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAizJOPANR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8GVtXfATtI
Were I a citizen of California....I'd be calling the mayor and chief wondering why the crowd control was so poor.
Eventually, they will mess with the wrong bull and it wont be a face punch or OC.
It'll be a bullet. Actually it will be several. And they will be dead over a bullshit cause that nobody cares about.
Trump, like all Presidents, will leave office one way or another. I like Trump overall so far but he's not that important to me personally.
You aren't "stopping Hitler". You are just injuring your neighbors.
Young and stupid and hormonal. It bears repeating:
Do not mistake my silence for fear, my tolerance for acceptance, my patience for indifference, nor my kindness for weakness.
Maybe I'm just waiting for you to outgrow yourselves.
Notice once the Antifag threw it, and the opposing line surged forward as a result of it, they ran like pussies. I hope those Antifags get their skulls cracked. Yeah, really mean that.
Outlander Systems
04-16-17, 18:32
Reminds me a bit of Maidan. Albeit far less violent.
Were I a citizen of California....I'd be calling the mayor and chief wondering why the crowd control was so poor.
Eventually, they will mess with the wrong bull and it wont be a face punch or OC.
It'll be a bullet. Actually it will be several. And they will be dead over a bullshit cause that nobody cares about.
Trump, like all Presidents, will leave office one way or another. I like Trump overall so far but he's not that important to me personally.
You aren't "stopping Hitler". You are just injuring your neighbors.
Young and stupid and hormonal. It bears repeating:
Do not mistake my silence for fear, my tolerance for acceptance, my patience for indifference, nor my kindness for weakness.
Maybe I'm just waiting for you to outgrow yourselves.
My sentiments exactly. I don't go to rallies. I have better things to do, plus my fuse is too short. That said, the Left, personified by the Antifags, has ruled the roost at those events for FAR too long. It's time they had their heads busted and more than a little pushback.
Were I a citizen of California....I'd be calling the mayor and chief wondering why the crowd control was non existent.
Fix it for ya. Watch all three vids, lots of POVs, etc and not one po po to be found.
Fix it for ya. Watch all three vids, lots of POVs, etc and not one po po to be found.
Was this today or yesterday's events? 'Cause there were 20 arrests yesterday.
Notice once the Antifag threw it, and the opposing line surged forward as a result of it, they ran like pussies. I hope those Antifags get their skulls cracked. Yeah, really mean that.
Couldn't tell what was thrown to slice him open like that. Didn't seem like a bottle etc. but he's a bleeder. Obviously, had there been some police, arrests for assault would have been made. I really have to wonder if they have been intentionally held back by the chief and or mayor due to personal dislike for Trump admin. Watch all 3 vids. Not a cop to be seen. Clearly they were told to stand down yet it's a situation that got out of hand repeatedly and nadda done. Frankly, seems a federal probe may be on order here.
Was this today or yesterday's events? 'Cause there were 20 arrests yesterday.
Honestly not sure. As you can see, legit riot police were needed there regardless. Even the smoke and booms were not via po po but (apparently) coming from anti Trump side. When things start going boom you'd think that's when it's serious go time for the police. I think people need to find out what the orders from the chief or mayor was in this event.
Honestly not sure. As you can see, legit riot police were needed there regardless. Even the smoke and booms were not via po po but (apparently) coming from anti Trump side. When things start going boom you'd think that's when it's serious go time for the police. I think people need to find out what the orders from the chief or mayor was in this event.
Well like I said in the other thread, of the 20 arrests yesterday how many were Antifags and how many were Trump supporters? I might lose my ass on this bet but I'd wager the Trumps folks comprised the vast majority of those arrests.
Kali......'nuff said. Well to be clear, it was Berkeley, so take it for what it's worth (before the Kali guys jump on me!).
Couldn't tell what was thrown to slice him open like that. Didn't seem like a bottle etc. but he's a bleeder.
In one of the other videos Antifa was lobbing bricks, which would sure pop you open if hit.
There were reports of police watching and being asked to engage by bystanders. If the quotes are accurate they were playing coy, and would just refer folks to pub affairs as their only response
Well like I said in the other thread, of the 20 arrests yesterday how many were Antifags and how many were Trump supporters? I might lose my ass on this bet but I'd wager the Trumps folks comprised the vast majority of those arrests.
Kali......'nuff said. Well to be clear, it was Berkeley, so take it for what it's worth (before the Kali guys jump on me!).
Fwiw when these folks were in DC a week ago the only ones being violent and on the receiving end of stick time were Antifa.
One thing I'd add though is the group they were disrupting was of the white power variety and doing so under the veil of being trump supporters. Obviously their antics are not justifiable but I don't want folks thinking the group on the receiving end were blue collar freed lovers as we epitomize them either.
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Fix it for ya. Watch all three vids, lots of POVs, etc and not one po po to be found.
I was being magnanimous.
You know, they would likely not change my mind at all; but I'd probably at least be willing to hear their hippie commie BS if they dressed like people and acted like adults if they felt so strongly about their political beliefs. But when you start actibg like a Pantera mosh pit and then demand I listen to you; you've totally lost me.
I likely have read all the same (if not moreso) political books on all shades of the spectrum and don't even begin to entertain their little ideas. I don't really want a government giving me anything. It doesn't "give" anyways. It's the ultimate middleman standing between me and my own liberties.
There is not, has never been, and shall never be any government that wasn't on some level corrupt.
I know this. I accept this. Whenever people bring up "the poor" or "the children"; I ask "Okay, but when I need something, who helps me?"
"Well we aren't worried about you right now"
To which I reply, "Exactly"
Then people want to twist my held or presumed to be held value systems to guilt me. And they dont believe in what I believe in, yet I 'must' acquiesce because.....reasons?
No.
If they wanted to do anything positive they could pool money and put a homeless family up in a room for a month, take someone to the doctor, or help the elderly with their housekeeping.
But that wouldnt be "dangerous". In 30 years they'll all be old, fat, and bald acting like they were saving the workd and their kids will think they were the biggest squares ever.
"See your mom was SO KEWL. She had white girl dreads, hairy armpits, and protested Trump!"
"Gee mom. You suuuure showed them. Can I have $100 and the car keys?"
RetroRevolver77
04-16-17, 19:34
This is the video I posted in the other thread yesterday. Youtube Google Commies decided to lock the video unless you sign in because it doesn't fit the narrative that their leftist agenda is getting it's ass kicked on American streets.
However if you quote it, it will play.
4/15/2016 Free Speech Rally. Anti-Fa being beaten down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8GVtXfATtI
Outlander Systems
04-16-17, 19:39
https://s11.postimg.org/tyo83gxsz/18009761_10155268867086584_79112268_n.jpg
time to start acting like braveheart
Man, what a waste of attractiveness
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Outlander Systems
04-16-17, 21:03
Don't forget, kids.
Communism makes you ugly on the outside too!
Man, what a waste of attractiveness
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mkmckinley
04-16-17, 21:08
Look how unhappy she looks after they got to her. When I lived in Seattle I realized how miserable and bitter most of the extreme left is. It shows on their faces.
https://s11.postimg.org/tyo83gxsz/18009761_10155268867086584_79112268_n.jpg
She also does porn BTW.
She also does porn BTW.
Wait, what's her name? Just so I van avoid her, obviously [emoji52] [emoji19]
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She also does porn BTW.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/201/635/698.gif
Good God that's a glorious meme
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Dist. Expert 26
04-16-17, 22:05
Word on the street is you don't want to see it. Think Chewbacca, but smaller and less clean.
I'm still a bit on the confused side of the equation. Why are Trump folks protesting. We ****ing won. What do we need to protest??
So if a group of AntiFa fags show up to a counter protest and nobody shows up did their protest exist??
I guess what I'm saying is to let the AntiFa fags have the protests and continue to make themselves look like the fools they are by destroying public property and trashing places. When people show up to butt heads with these idiots the news gets all twisted to look like they are provoked and stuff. Why give them an out.
Wait, what's her name? Just so I van avoid her, obviously [emoji52] [emoji19]
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Word on the street is you don't want to see it. Think Chewbacca, but smaller and less clean.
What has been seen... don't Google it. Too late for me, but save yourselves
I'm still a bit on the confused side of the equation. Why are Trump folks protesting. We ****ing won. What do we need to protest??
So if a group of AntiFa fags show up to a counter protest and nobody shows up did their protest exist??
I guess what I'm saying is to let the AntiFa fags have the protests and continue to make themselves look like the fools they are by destroying public property and trashing places. When people show up to butt heads with these idiots the news gets all twisted to look like they are provoked and stuff. Why give them an out.
Dont think either side, typical of many mobs, really has any idea what they're really protesting over.
It's particularly disgusting that the police handed out fliers of banned items to the free speech rally organizers and made damn sure that they were disarmed the day of the event. The police retreated to their safe spaces once the fascist anarchists showed up and started throwing M80's. It was truly disgusting.
I saw some other posts how a white supremacist sucker punched a girl who was doing nothing ! just standing there !!!
read that on quite a few posts ! hahahahahaha
well I maybe the attacker identified as a women for a moment :) OH WAIT they want equal well that is equal go to hit get hit back boy or girl who cares :) hahahahahahah
now that guy that got hit by the bike lock ? not a peep about sucker punch of course
Good God that's a glorious meme
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That really is.
"10-9 Last traffic on dat nekkid chick"
Seriously, nothing you wanna see. And I got an open mind
Moose-Knuckle
04-17-17, 05:28
“So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?" — Frances Fox Piven
Eurodriver
04-17-17, 06:07
Was the dreadlock girls film name posted yet? I can't find it.
Outlander Systems
04-17-17, 06:24
If you were to Google:
+"Venus Rosales" +ATK
You would find what you're looking for...
If you were to Google:
+"Venus Rosales" +ATK
You would find what you're looking for...
I warned them. Now she needs 80k.
https://www.gofundme.com/3nj1iqg
Apparently, hairy poon porn does not pay like it used to.
Neo Nazis and leftist anarchist don't tend to mix well it seems
It's particularly disgusting that the police handed out fliers of banned items to the free speech rally organizers and made damn sure that they were disarmed the day of the event. The police retreated to their safe spaces once the fascist anarchists showed up and started throwing M80's. It was truly disgusting.
Source? I don't follow. Banned items?
Outlander Systems
04-17-17, 08:00
I did too, bro lol.
Parents, this is what happens when you let your kids go to a moonbat college and major in Womyn's Studies.
It's 2017.
If you don't get your kids into STEM or Healthcare, they have no business going to University.
They'll end up doing side-gigs in porn, getting dreadlocks, and descend into a poor-decision making feedback loop.
Had this young lady not been fed mind poison, she'd be majoring in Nursing, dating a 1st Lieutenant, and looking at a successful and productive life.
Instead, she'll ride the beta cock carousel, and mooch off of porn gigs and gofundme's. She will most likely die of a heroin overdose, or herpesyphilitusaids.
I warned them. Now she needs 80k.
https://www.gofundme.com/3nj1iqg
Apparently, hairy poon porn does not pay like it used to.
Neo Nazis and leftist anarchist don't tend to mix well it seems
I did too, bro lol.
Parents, this is what happens when you let your kids go to a moonbat college and major in Womyn's Studies.
It's 2017.
If you don't get your kids into STEM or Healthcare, they have no business going to University.
They'll end up doing side-gigs in porn, getting dreadlocks, and descend into a poor-decision making feedback loop.
Had this young lady not been fed mind poison, she'd be majoring in Nursing, dating a 1st Lieutenant, and looking at a successful and productive life.
Instead, she'll ride the beta cock carousel, and mooch off of porn gigs and gofundme's. She will most likely die of a heroin overdose, or herpesyphilitusaids.
Take a look at comments on the GFM page:
$5
Steven InLA
1 hour ago
10
Please make more porn!
Outlander Systems
04-17-17, 08:19
The comments were priceless.
Take a look at comments on the GFM page:
$5
Steven InLA
1 hour ago
10
Please make more porn!
People giving money to troll are still giving money. She's up to almost 5 grand. I guarantee it will go to dope before it goes to the first bill (which I am sure her parents will be picking up).
When you post online about starting fights, then get your ass whipped, then your actions should have consequences.
Chutes and Ladders, man. Chutes snd Ladders.
If I put up a go fund me playing Sarah Maclachlan with sad kittens to fund me what I need for some pedestrian cause; I wouldn't get jack nor shit.
Had this young lady not been fed mind poison, she'd be majoring in Nursing, dating a 1st Lieutenant, and looking at a successful and productive life.
It has been my experience that nurses tend to date cops and firefighters. Between gigs (and sometimes during) they have random hook-ups with medical residents. It's a win-win situation for everyone...;)
It has been my experience that nurses tend to date cops and firefighters. Between gigs (and sometimes during) they have random hook-ups with medical residents. It's a win-win situation for everyone...;)
Not really.
Stay away from nurses. They are crazy and weird. And years back were a lot of dope fiending going on.
She doesn't need anybody. If I were a 19 year old lass, I would just do me. Get my degree, stay way from people, and not air out my nappy cooch all over the internet.
Fwiw when these folks were in DC a week ago the only ones being violent and on the receiving end of stick time were Antifa.
One thing I'd add though is the group they were disrupting was of the white power variety and doing so under the veil of being trump supporters. Obviously their antics are not justifiable but I don't want folks thinking the group on the receiving end were blue collar freed lovers as we epitomize them either.
You talking about the thing in Berkeley or the one in D.C.? i.e. which event are you saying had the white power idiots?
You talking about the thing in Berkeley or the one in D.C.? i.e. which event are you saying had the white power idiots?
That would be DC.
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That would be DC.
Okay, 'cause I didn't see anyone in the Berkeley video that looked like they might have been white power attendees (no swastikas, shaved head, SS armbands, etc.).
Eurodriver
04-17-17, 14:28
It has been my experience that nurses tend to date cops and firefighters. Between gigs (and sometimes during) they have random hook-ups with medical residents. It's a win-win situation for everyone...;)
Confirmed. My uncle is a male nurse and dated a female FF.
It has been my experience that nurses tend to date cops and firefighters. Between gigs (and sometimes during) they have random hook-ups with medical residents. It's a win-win situation for everyone...;)
Where I work the ED nurses are either looking for their Mrs. degree with a doc, or on the fast track to grad school.
By the time I was a nurse I was married, but when I was a medic I dated a ED resident and a surgery resident. I stayed away from the nurses.
LOL my wife is not only a nurse but likes horses too! Guess I'm screwed.......:rolleyes:
It is my experience that nurses are like everybody else and date from a variety of occupations like anybody else.
If any field is more common it's healthcare professionals; be it other nurses, docs, RTs, etc. because they haven't got time to meet people because they work too much.
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Not really.
Odd hours, long shifts, and seeing the same people drag human shit in and out of the hospital on a regular enough basis breeds familiarity.
Dont usually get yucked out by someone projectile vomiting or beaten to shit. Younger ones tend to be nymphos to relieve stress/boredom. Which is appealimg to people who see the worse sides of society and thereby in turn have thoughts that turn to the erotic
Stereotypes are based in fact but there is always an exception to the rule. For every nurse that goes to church every week and dies a virgin there are 100 who dont and before all the big DEA crackdowns they'd occasionally dip in the cookie jar or work with a fentanyl patch on, some of them would.
All I know is that while I dont regret any dalliances; I wouldnt ever engage in a serious relation with a nurse. It always comes down to almost purely sexual and I'm not really a whoredog especially now that I am older, fatter, and am bored to it. FWIW, Nurses never swell. Just saying.
But back to bashing in hippies and not pissing your life away over politics
fallenromeo
04-17-17, 18:10
LOL my wife is not only a nurse but likes horses too! Guess I'm screwed.......:rolleyes:
I would prefer to be left for a firefighter personally.
I would prefer to be left for a firefighter personally.
For the win!
I would prefer to be left for a firefighter personally.
Yeah, hard to compete with a horse (yuck yuck).
Dist. Expert 26
04-17-17, 19:21
My wife is about to be a nurse next month...hopefully all these horror stories aren't true.
Although she's already got the nympho part down, which I'm totally good with.
Not really.
Odd hours, long shifts, and seeing the same people drag human shit in and out of the hospital on a regular enough basis breeds familiarity.
Dont usually get yucked out by someone projectile vomiting or beaten to shit. Younger ones tend to be nymphos to relieve stress/boredom. Which is appealimg to people who see the worse sides of society and thereby in turn have thoughts that turn to the erotic
Stereotypes are based in fact but there is always an exception to the rule. For every nurse that goes to church every week and dies a virgin there are 100 who dont and before all the big DEA crackdowns they'd occasionally dip in the cookie jar or work with a fentanyl patch on, some of them would.
All I know is that while I dont regret any dalliances; I wouldnt ever engage in a serious relation with a nurse. It always comes down to almost purely sexual and I'm not really a whoredog especially now that I am older, fatter, and am bored to it. FWIW, Nurses never swell. Just saying.
But back to bashing in hippies and not pissing your life away over politics
Weird, I work in the environment and that isn't what I see on a daily basis.
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My wife is about to be a nurse next month...hopefully all these horror stories aren't true.
Although she's already got the nympho part down, which I'm totally good with.
Serious talk here - my mother and first wife both became nurses later in life, mom when she was about 38, three years after my father had died, my first wife when she was 34 after her business closed. I was grown and gone when mom became a nurse, but my younger sisters often said it changed her. It changed my first wife also, she became more assertive as she grew in the profession (not necessarily bad) and was associating with co-workers who were 'different' (drinking, smoking, bowling, etc.) than the folks we had been hanging around with. So we kind of developed a different circle of friends.
The roles we had established over 14 years of marriage subtly changed after she became more secure in her profession. I was aware of that on a cognitive level, was happy for her success (plus there was the money :)) but I still had some problems adapting.
Bottom line is be prepared for your wife to change.
There are so many different types of nursing it is hard to come up with a stereo type. A career ER nurse is far different from a neonatal nurse. My cardiac nurses a few weeks ago were far different from the overworked local clinic nurses who sent me to the cardiac doc.
My wife and I are friends with three couples who the wife is a nurse in each of the marriages. Two neonatal nurses and one cardiac nurse. All are well grounded, friendly, and have been married to their spouses for over 20 years.
There are so many different types of nursing it is hard to come up with a stereo type. A career ER nurse is far different from a neonatal nurse. My cardiac nurses a few weeks ago were far different from the overworked local clinic nurses who sent me to the cardiac doc.
My wife and I are friends with three couples who the wife is a nurse in each of the marriages. Two neonatal nurses and one cardiac nurse. All are well grounded, friendly, and have been married to their spouses for over 20 years.
This. Not trying to make people feel nervous. There are bedpan nurses and there are bleedout nurses(ER). Not trying to make people think their old lady is getting bird dogged.
But ER Nurses do tend to have a far more fatalistic "Wanna screw after we get off in the morning?" mentality. They are NOT girly girls in decorum. They put on make up but they get that SSDD mode seeing lots of GIGO (Garbage in, Garbage out).
It can be a real hardening position.
Bedpan Nurses are the girly-girls who "make love" face to face with their BF since HS/Husband, go to church bankers hours types.
It can get like that. A shower, rocks off, sleep. Anything to keep you human and motivated. Cops are a huge predatoring target. Never say no, similar hours, and likewise just want shower, sex, and sleep.
Doesnt have to mean anything. Its not like you're going to the movies, holding hands, and sharing secrets, hopes, and dreams. Merely fulfilling needs.
Not trying to get blue but that was my experiences, YMMV
Moose-Knuckle
04-18-17, 02:47
Okay, 'cause I didn't see anyone in the Berkeley video that looked like they might have been white power attendees (no swastikas, shaved head, SS armbands, etc.).
The Antifa black-bloc militants label anyone who is not with them fascists. The irony being they are text book fascists. If you are Conservative, voted for Trump, etc. then you are the new Hitler. Anyone who did not vote for Hillary is a Nazi, etc.
They push all the agendas of the left, mass immigration, islamification, LGBT, etc.
The Antifa black-bloc militants label anyone who is not with them fascists. The irony being they are text book fascists. If you are Conservative, voted for Trump, etc. then you are the new Hitler. Anyone who did not vote for Hillary is a Nazi, etc.
They push all the agendas of the left, mass immigration, islamification, LGBT, etc.
So the perfect enemy all rolled up into one.
The Antifa black-bloc militants label anyone who is not with them fascists. The irony being they are text book fascists.
Actually, text book fascism is very different than the current (mis)use of the term. Mussolini, the proto-fascist, said:
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Which would also include authoritarianism and nationalism.
If you look at the definitions over the years they have shifted to now be: dictatorial, nationalistic, authoritarian, and typically bigoted, parties, leadership style, etc.
And now even further, most, including Google, have lumped in right wing.
It's now become like "racist", a name you call someone when you want to lump them in with Nazis, even though the NAZI party was very different from the Fascists (Italian and Spanish) of the time.
Even the people doing the definitions can't agree. :) Some make the argument that it's current meaning is how it's used now (right wing, authoritarian, nationalistic). And is all that matters.
You are right in one regard, it is very ironic they have adopted the tactics, if not beliefs of the Fascists, Nazis, and brownshirts.
Now people are starting to wonder why no po po involvement. It would seem the cops were letting those who asked where the blame could be found:
“Hey, how come you guys are hanging back?” he asked an officer standing in an open door of the car and another sat in the back seat.
“That would be a question for the chief of police,” an officer sitting in the driver’s seat responded:
“You want a public statement, right?” the standing officer asked the reporter.
“I would refer you to our public information officer.”
“Do they told you to hang back?” Bauer said.
“As I said, I refer you to our public information officer,” the cop responded.
“I’ve been watching all day people get beat up pretty bad and I haven’t seen you guys around much,” Bauer said.
“Okay, and?” the officer responded.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-berkeley-cops-sit-patrol-car-trump-supporters-attacked/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/berkeley-police-officers-disengage-riots-due-chiefs-orders-antifa-thugs-attack-trump-supporters-video/
BTW, same chief who had her gun stolen from her patrol car yet kept her job.
And the Mayor?
"The police took a very careful, very thoughtful approach," Arreguin said. "They could've moved very aggressively, and that definitely would've escalated things."
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Berkeley-Mayor-Backs-Police-Response-to-Violence-at-Rally-419676074.html
Banana republic governance?
Banana republic governance?
Most Banana republics would have beat people about the head once the violence started, so really an insult to banana republics ;)
MountainRaven
04-18-17, 09:33
Actually, text book fascism is very different than the current (mis)use of the term. Mussolini, the proto-fascist, said:
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Which would also include authoritarianism and nationalism.
If you look at the definitions over the years they have shifted to now be: dictatorial, nationalistic, authoritarian, and typically bigoted, parties, leadership style, etc.
And now even further, most, including Google, have lumped in right wing.
It's now become like "racist", a name you call someone when you want to lump them in with Nazis, even though the NAZI party was very different from the Fascists (Italian and Spanish) of the time.
Even the people doing the definitions can't agree. :) Some make the argument that it's current meaning is how it's used now (right wing, authoritarian, nationalistic). And is all that matters.
You are right in one regard, it is very ironic they have adopted the tactics, if not beliefs of the Fascists, Nazis, and brownshirts.
Fascism has been considered a right-wing political movement since at least 1934.
The conceit that it somehow isn't is revisionist history courtesy of people who seem to believe that the Right Can Do No Wrong.
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 09:38
:sarcastic:
http://orig08.deviantart.net/ef11/f/2017/047/d/4/anti_communist_action__anti_antifa__by_midnight_fantom-daz9jg7.jpg
Most Banana republics would have beat people about the head once the violence started, so really an insult to banana republics ;)
Fascism has been considered a right-wing political movement since at least 1934.
The conceit that it somehow isn't is revisionist history courtesy of people who seem to believe that the Right Can Do No Wrong.
And that's exactly the problem with overusing political labels as pejoratives...
Mussolini positioned fascism as centrist in 1919, neither right (anti-parliamentarian, pro-conservatism) or left. In 1934 he swung right, and stated it was right wing. Then in 1943, he specifically stated it was neither right or left, combined the attributes of both. And was very anti-right wing, as the bourgeois conservatives had betrayed the movement.
Hitler did the same, all along stated it was neither right nor left. Instead combined the best attributes of both.
You can't equate fascism with classic or modern right wing labels, as they are on different axis. Simply put, the common thread with fascists is authoritarian control, combining state with industry to achieve a nationalistic goal. Sometimes the nationalism took a racist/bigoted aspect, sometimes not. So you can't even declare it to be racists as well.
IE: You can't declare fascism to be right wing, then also declare Mussolini, Hitler/NAZI, and Stalin to be fascists. The world is too complex for left/right simplifications, especially as labels.
Is the modern right anti-parliamentary? Royalists? Nope and nope. They are conservatists, by both the classical and modern definitions, so that part of the classic right wing does fit.
nah, fascist now-a-days just is used (incorrectly) to describe someone more conservative than yourself. As is NAZI. As is Racist.
BTW, had an hour long debate with one of my kids about the incorrect usage of the term racist. The meaning they were giving was that of bigoted or prejudiced, which seems to be the modern usage. But it's not accurate. Someone can be bigoted without being racist. The context was someone had made a mildly disparaging comment about an acquaintance from Columbia. Who happened to be Caucasian, of Castillian European descent. But born in Columbia and Spanish 1st language with a traditionally Hispanic surname. Was it Racist? No. Was it bigoted or prejudicial? Maybe, but technically not. Offensive? Absolutely.
By the way, many of us will never defend the concept that the "right" can do no wrong. Life is far to complicated. But with having to pick between a right and left wing US politician, the majority of my interests are better protected by the right, even if I strongly disagree with many positions.
Fascism has been considered a right-wing political movement since at least 1934.
The conceit that it somehow isn't is revisionist history courtesy of people who seem to believe that the Right Can Do No Wrong.
Are you talking the right in world politics or in modern American politics?
Actually, text book fascism is very different than the current (mis)use of the term. Mussolini, the proto-fascist, said:
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Which would also include authoritarianism and nationalism.
If you look at the definitions over the years they have shifted to now be: dictatorial, nationalistic, authoritarian, and typically bigoted, parties, leadership style, etc.
And now even further, most, including Google, have lumped in right wing.
It's now become like "racist", a name you call someone when you want to lump them in with Nazis, even though the NAZI party was very different from the Fascists (Italian and Spanish) of the time.
Even the people doing the definitions can't agree. :) Some make the argument that it's current meaning is how it's used now (right wing, authoritarian, nationalistic). And is all that matters.
You are right in one regard, it is very ironic they have adopted the tactics, if not beliefs of the Fascists, Nazis, and brownshirts.
Tactifascist? :)
And that's exactly the problem with overusing political labels as pejoratives...
Mussolini positioned fascism as centrist in 1919, neither right (anti-parliamentarian, pro-conservatism) or left. In 1934 he swung right, and stated it was right wing. Then in 1943, he specifically stated it was neither right or left, combined the attributes of both. And was very anti-right wing, as the bourgeois conservatives had betrayed the movement.
Hitler did the same, all along stated it was neither right nor left. Instead combined the best attributes of both.
You can't equate fascism with classic or modern right wing labels, as they are on different axis. Simply put, the common thread with fascists is authoritarian control, combining state with industry to achieve a nationalistic goal. Sometimes the nationalism took a racist/bigoted aspect, sometimes not. So you can't even declare it to be racists as well.
IE: You can't declare fascism to be right wing, then also declare Mussolini, Hitler/NAZI, and Stalin to be fascists. The world is too complex for left/right simplifications, especially as labels.
Is the modern right anti-parliamentary? Royalists? Nope and nope. They are conservatists, by both the classical and modern definitions, so that part of the classic right wing does fit.
nah, fascist now-a-days just is used (incorrectly) to describe someone more conservative than yourself. As is NAZI. As is Racist.
BTW, had an hour long debate with one of my kids about the incorrect usage of the term racist. The meaning they were giving was that of bigoted or prejudiced, which seems to be the modern usage. But it's not accurate. Someone can be bigoted without being racist. The context was someone had made a mildly disparaging comment about an acquaintance from Columbia. Who happened to be Caucasian, of Castillian European descent. But born in Columbia and Spanish 1st language with a traditionally Hispanic surname. Was it Racist? No. Was it bigoted or prejudicial? Maybe, but technically not. Offensive? Absolutely.
By the way, many of us will never defend the concept that the "right" can do no wrong. Life is far to complicated. But with having to pick between a right and left wing US politician, the majority of my interests are better protected by the right, even if I strongly disagree with many positions.
The problem is that people are struggling to define things in an ever less defined world. There is no black or white, just differing shades. I see people all the time that I'd describe as your average Caucasian, who self-identify as anything but. The same goes for political posturings. Left or right seem fairly straight forward, but anything past that is sometimes impossible to define. What is a social liberal who's a fiscal conservative and believes in small government, who believes in global commerce and engagement, but not in interventionism and expeditionary wars? Today's political monikers just don't cover that.
These people are no more true communists than the people they hate are fascists or Nazis. The closest I can come to describing them is hateful douchebags. So I guess you could call me a "discernist". I can't tell you what these people are, but I know them when I see them and I know they're wrong in every sense of the word. :(
So the perfect enemy all rolled up into one.
Well, aside from the fact that they fight like a bunch of panzy ass twinkies.
These people don't even lift.
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Couldn't resist....
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Couldn't resist....
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Can we not try to make a hero out of a white nationalist please.
John Cena looking MFer vs a meth whore.
No real winners here
Can we not try to make a hero out of a white nationalist please.
I have done no such thing. She et al went looking for a violent encounter and she found one. The meme is in response to the fact she has set up a go fund me page asking for 80k for medical expenses from getting punched in the head. His agenda, background, etc is another issue altogether. It's not about making him a hero (because he's not), but about her going straight into victim mode after experiencing what she'd done, planned to do, to others. From my POV, he could have been anyone.
Finally, I don't know much about him other than claims he's a Nazi white nationalist etc, which may be absolutely true or term commonly applied to anyone who voted for Trump.
Obviously, people that showed up for such a thing on both sides are not dealing with a full deck, buy call me a bad person, that meme is funny when viewed in context.
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 12:47
All the Moldylocks memes are hilarious AF.
Soldier on, meme-warrior. Don't let the h8rs get you down.
I personally could give zero ****s if dude was an Islamic Nationalist. Bitch had that shit coming.
I have done no such thing. She et al went looking for a violent encounter and she found one. The meme is in response to the fact she has set up a go fund me page asking for 80k for medical expenses from getting punched in the head. His agenda, background, etc is another issue altogether. It's not about making him a hero (because he's not), but about her going straight into victim mode after experiencing what she'd done, planned to do, to others. From my POV, he could have been anyone.
Finally, I don't know much about him other than claims he's a Nazi white nationalist etc, which may be absolutely true or term commonly applied to anyone who voted for Trump.
Obviously, people that showed up for such a thing on both sides are not dealing with a full deck, buy call me a bad person, that meme is funny when viewed in context.
There's a problem with your thinking, man. Governance is not a linear spectrum with right and fascism on one end and left and anarchy on the other.
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Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 13:01
I tend to view at as a vertical sliding scale with totalitarianism at the top, and abject lawlessness at the bottom.
There's a problem with your thinking, man. Governance is not a linear spectrum with right and fascism on one end and left and anarchy on the other.
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I view it vertically and linearly.
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Well, aside from the fact that they fight like a bunch of panzy ass twinkies.
These people don't even lift.
LOL!!!
By the way, many of us will never defend the concept that the "right" can do no wrong. Life is far to complicated. But with having to pick between a right and left wing US politician, the majority of my interests are better protected by the right, even if I strongly disagree with many positions.
Don't worry about it, Fjallhrafn will always be there to remind you. :rolleyes:
Can we not try to make a hero out of a white nationalist please.
So we can't celebrate a mans good deeds because of his bad? I personally am able to separate those things.
How different is suppressing people talking about him vs. the Antifags suppressing ideas and free speech themselves.
Watching that bich get punched in the head was priceless. I don't care who did it, it was awesome. She went looking for '100 scalps' and got her aas handed to her as she well deserved
I will say this....that old Arab saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". It simply isn't true.
Hippies suck but so do the Klan types.
Can we not try to make a hero out of a white nationalist please.
Too late. Besides, he's gonna catch crap for letting the porn non-star catch him in the chops like that.
I will say this....that old Arab saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". It simply isn't true.
Hippies suck but so do the Klan types.
Who said anything about being friends?
Though, the leftists believe the adage. Which is why they have aligned with radical Islam against conservatives and libertarians.
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Who said anything about being friends?
Though, the leftists believe the adage. Which is why they have aligned with radical Islam against conservatives and libertarians.
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Exactly. It is a terrible saying that people clamp on to. Similarly with "Desperate times call for desperate measures" as an excuse to do something stupid and destructive.
Whether I leave agreeing or not, I will at least hear people out if they take a bath and dress like people and dont resort to shouting and chanting.
Can we not try to make a hero out of a white nationalist please.White, brown, yellow, etc... Nationalism, properly applied, is not a bad thing. I don't care what race, color, creed, sexual preference, etc... you are if you put 'Murica first.
Can we not try to make a hero out of a white nationalist please.
Please post links/evidence that he is a white nationalist. I'm not saying he isn't, but I've seen not one single shred of evidence to support that claim. :rolleyes:
Please post links/evidence that he is a white nationalist. I'm not saying he isn't, but I've seen not one single shred of evidence to support that claim. :rolleyes:
Cuz the The Southern Poverty Law Center says he was. But seriously, probably accurate-ish and not surprisingly, the guy has a troubled past and did two tours, etc:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/sd-me-nathan-damigo-20170417-story.html
He totally lost me at armed robbery
Yeah, no pillar of virtue. Neither is she. Both are damnable.
You know who needs the gofundme?
The sweltering cops who had to be out there in black gear all day.
It sucks.
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 14:14
Apparently there should be some shenanigans in Auburn.
https://twitter.com/afainatl
OT: Just want to say, sic 'em Dawgs, just like beagles, go to Hell you War Damn Eagles.
He totally lost me at armed robbery
Locked up for 5 years, felon. Yep, there was surely a collision of assholes at Berkeley that day......
Cuz the The Southern Poverty Law Center says he was. But seriously, probably accurate-ish and not surprisingly, the guy has a troubled past and did two tours, etc:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/sd-me-nathan-damigo-20170417-story.html
While I'm no fan of the SPLC, based on the information provided in the article it works for me. There were no winners here, just a bunch of losers.
SomeOtherGuy
04-18-17, 15:46
While I'm no fan of the SPLC, based on the information provided in the article it works for me. There were no winners here, just a bunch of losers.
Which is why people like us don't turn out for these sort of street fight idiot-shows. (Not counting people who turn out in uniform and under lawful orders as LEO.)
White, brown, yellow, etc... Nationalism, properly applied, is not a bad thing. I don't care what race, color, creed, sexual preference, etc... you are if you put 'Murica first.
I was pondering that exact point. This label thing... there is a difference between being a white nationalist (A nationalist who happens to be white) and a *White-Nationalist* member of some party or org.
Merriam-Webster: Nationalism: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
Nationalist:
1: an advocate of or believer in nationalism
2: a member of a political party or group advocating national independence or strong national government
Apparently there should be some shenanigans in Auburn.
https://twitter.com/afainatl
OT: Just want to say, sic 'em Dawgs, just like beagles, go to Hell you War Damn Eagles.
What a read, close to home! Ahh, let them (Antifa) go fight the white supremacists. Just don't hurt bystanders accidentally caught.
While I'm no fan of the SPLC, based on the information provided in the article it works for me. There were no winners here, just a bunch of losers.
I don't expect societies winners and balanced human beings to be drawn to protests like that, just different shades of wack jobs on both sides. The stars aligned and the poster child for the extreme on one side punched the extreme from the other side in her snot locker.
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 17:28
And thats the irony of it all.
One intolerant group telling another intolerant group that their intolerance is intolerant.
I don't expect societies winners and balanced human beings to be drawn to protests like that, just different shades of wack jobs on both sides. The stars aligned and the poster child for the extreme on one side punched the extreme from the other side in her snot locker.
I was pondering that exact point. This label thing... there is a difference between being a white nationalist (A nationalist who happens to be white) and a *White-Nationalist* member of some party or org.
Merriam-Webster: Nationalism: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
Nationalist:
1: an advocate of or believer in nationalism
2: a member of a political party or group advocating national independence or strong national government
Absolutely. I consider myself a nationalist (as opposed to a "globalist"), and I'm white. I am NOT, however, a "White-Nationalist". Semantic games abound these days.
One thing you guys have to consider is that this was a planned "protest", so those things I avoid. However, let's say Trump or some other Republican was in town and I wanted to go hear them speak. It is entirely possible that one of us could end up involved with chicanery like this just going about our desire to hear a politician speak. i.e. the Antifags show up and begin harassing the other side. The potential for confrontation doesn't necessarily entail attending a "protest" per se.
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 19:15
God Emperor is speaking at the NRA Conference in Atlanta on the 28th.
The protesters are already getting their OPORD ready...
:suicide:
One thing you guys have to consider is that this was a planned "protest", so those things I avoid. However, let's say Trump or some other Republican was in town and I wanted to go hear them speak. It is entirely possible that one of us could end up involved with chicanery like this just going about our desire to hear a politician speak. i.e. the Antifags show up and begin harassing the other side. The potential for confrontation doesn't necessarily entail attending a "protest" per se.
God Emperor is speaking at the NRA Conference in Atlanta on the 28th.
The protesters are already getting their OPORD ready...
:suicide:
EXACTLY the kind of situation I was talking about.
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 19:29
I didn't choose the gun life. The gun life chose me.
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*Actual Picture of Firefly
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 19:40
What's the difference between Berkeley and Auburn?
Professional LE:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/854475945402552320
AntiFa dressed down like children by LEOs
:dance3:
And thats the irony of it all.
One intolerant group telling another intolerant group that their intolerance is intolerant.
The irony of the entire thing is lost on most as either side and their supporters always convinced they're on the right side. I'm convinced those two should get together and make porn movies. Do I smell the next reality TV show or what?!
Outlander Systems
04-18-17, 20:00
LOL.
It would make for epic entertainment.
The irony of the entire thing is lost on most as either side and their supporters always convinced they're on the right side. I'm convinced those two should get together and make porn movies. Do I smell the next reality TV show or what?!
What's the difference between Berkeley and Auburn?
Professional LE:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/854475945402552320
That was great. Establish dominance early and don't back down.
AntiFa dressed down like children by LEOs
:dance3:
That was fantastic, establish dominance early and set the standard for behavior.
The irony of the entire thing is lost on most as either side and their supporters always convinced they're on the right side. I'm convinced those two should get together and make porn movies. Do I smell the next reality TV show or what?!
From what I gather of the female, smelling should not be on the menu.
So we can't celebrate a mans good deeds because of his bad? I personally am able to separate those things.
How different is suppressing people talking about him vs. the Antifags suppressing ideas and free speech themselves.
Watching that bich get punched in the head was priceless. I don't care who did it, it was awesome. She went looking for '100 scalps' and got her aas handed to her as she well deserved
I don't know enough about the events leading up to the punch to call it a good deed.
I am a big fan of punching Nazi's not watching them punch others though.
What's the difference between Berkeley and Auburn?
Professional LE:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/854475945402552320
AntiFa dressed down like children by LEOs
:dance3:
That is F-ing perfect. I even love the way they handled it.
"Take it off an you can go in"
No way anyone can accuse them of being anything but professional about it.
These Antifa loons and anarchist are the left equivalent of our ALT right or open carry loons that go into police stations while carrying rifles. But we all know that they are fringe groups. Maybe we should just pull back all police when they are in the same area. Self correcting problem.
I don't know enough about the events leading up to the punch to call it a good deed.
I am a big fan of punching Nazi's not watching them punch others though.
That is F-ing perfect. I even love the way they handled it.
"Take it off an you can go in"
No way anyone can accuse them of being anything but professional about it.
These Antifa loons and anarchist are the left equivalent of our ALT right or open carry loons that go into police stations while carrying rifles. But we all know that they are fringe groups. Maybe we should just pull back all police when they are in the same area. Self correcting problem.
What we need to do is box them in together and tell them no one will be allowed out until they make peace with each other. :)
Eurodriver
04-19-17, 00:13
Would have loved to see the literring cite for leavin the pole if he didn't pick it back up.
I don't know enough about the events leading up to the punch to call it a good deed.
I am a big fan of punching Nazi's not watching them punch others though m.
Well she went lookin for violence and found it.
I'm not a fan of white supremacists. But while they are bad, they are not a threat to me ultimately.
Antifa has a stance that is ultimately a threat to my way of life, they see my way of life as wrong and worthy of tearing down.
I personally don't think punching anyone randomly is ok. I have seen a surge of support online for sucker punching 'nazis' in the face. Unfortunately nazi is currently being used these days like 'racist' it's over used and applied to people who's views are not that extreme. I don't think the alt right are 'nazi'.
However some one who thinks it's okay to sucker punch a non violent individual because they don't agree with your world view is a problem to me and a threat.
Moose-Knuckle
04-19-17, 01:59
Actually, text book fascism is very different than the current (mis)use of the term. Mussolini, the proto-fascist, said:
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Which would also include authoritarianism and nationalism.
If you look at the definitions over the years they have shifted to now be: dictatorial, nationalistic, authoritarian, and typically bigoted, parties, leadership style, etc.
And now even further, most, including Google, have lumped in right wing.
It's now become like "racist", a name you call someone when you want to lump them in with Nazis, even though the NAZI party was very different from the Fascists (Italian and Spanish) of the time.
Even the people doing the definitions can't agree. :) Some make the argument that it's current meaning is how it's used now (right wing, authoritarian, nationalistic). And is all that matters.
You are right in one regard, it is very ironic they have adopted the tactics, if not beliefs of the Fascists, Nazis, and brownshirts.
Back in the 60's and 70's it was fashionable for radical leftists to refer to traditional apple pie eating Americans, their teachers, their parents, the police, et al. as "fascists".
The only thing new is that the mainstream media is blatantly perpetuating the Marxist dogma.
Moose-Knuckle
04-19-17, 02:07
Fascism has been considered a right-wing political movement since at least 1934.
The conceit that it somehow isn't is revisionist history courtesy of people who seem to believe that the Right Can Do No Wrong.
The National Socialist German Workers Party was fascist, and derived from Marxism.
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Moose-Knuckle
04-19-17, 02:38
I don't know enough about the events leading up to the punch to call it a good deed.
I would say it was a "good deed" considering . . .
According to one report I read he witnessed her lighting M80 firecrackers, placed them into glass bottles, and threw them at Trump supporters.
Note the glass bottle in her right hand.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2933/33749201950_453a72c2e0_b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bHf6j1T5o
I am a big fan of punching Nazi's not watching them punch others though.
What exactly makes this man a "Nazi"? It it because he supports Trump? If you have a link to a legitimate source citing him as a National Socialist I'd be interested in reading it.
These Antifa loons and anarchist are the left equivalent of our ALT right or open carry loons that go into police stations while carrying rifles.
No they are not "equivalent." The open carry retards and "ALT right" don't organize and attempt to shutdown political rallies, commit arson, commit felonious assaults, prevent their fellow citizens from exercising their freedom of speech, et al.
I would say it was a "good deed" considering . . .
According to one report I read he witnessed her lighting M80 firecrackers, placed them into glass bottles, and threw them at Trump supporters.
Note the glass bottle in her right hand.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2933/33749201950_453a72c2e0_b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bHf6j1T5o
What exactly makes this man a "Nazi"? It it because he supports Trump? If you have a link to a legitimate source citing him as a National Socialist I'd be interested in reading it.
No they are not "equivalent." The open carry retards and "ALT right" don't organize and attempt to shutdown political rallies, commit arson, commit felonious assaults, prevent their fellow citizens from exercising their freedom of speech, et al.
Sorry but if you don't think the Alt Right isn't a threat to our country then you aren't paying attention or subscribe to their viewpoint. Because the Alt right isn't about Freedom loving conservatives. It is the fringe. The exact equivalent of Antifa. Call them Neo Fascist, or White Supremist, or anti Semites, or any other name including Nazi. But the name doesn't matter. The threat they pose to this country does. And it is just as big a threat as Antifa or Socialism or any other number of radical ideologies that focuses on pitting people against each other.
So yeah. I don't have a real problem with someone punching people like Richard Spencer and others who fall into that category. In fact in the case of people like him I hope it happens anytime he shows up in public. Because it isn't about someone just disagreeing with a political ideal. It is about people who are actively trying to destroy others. And I have no sympathy for them at all.
While people like this stupid girl go out and protest, in the end they don't have much power. She can throw all the bottles and rocks she wants. She can do all the porn she wants. But nobody would have known a thing about her or what she stood for if not for Damingo and his stupidity.
But instead of being worried about details and facts we have people on this forum cheering on a guy who idolizes David Duke and founded a Youth group attached to the National American Freedom Party. Which is a White supremacist group plain and simple.
And why are you cheering him on? Because the chick he hit has different political views than you. If she had been wearing a trump hat you all would be calling for his head.
But of course my word isn't enough. Fair point.
Here is an article about him last year.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-nathan-damigo-alt-right-20161115-story.html
He even makes sure to hit all the normal white supremacist talking points. Making it sound so calm and nice.
So in the end was the chick he hit a real piece of work? Yep she sure seemed to be. But in any way supporting or celebrating him is disgusting. He is nothing better than human refuse and should be treated as such.
So yeah. I don't have a real problem with someone punching people like Richard Spencer and others who fall into that category. In fact in the case of people like him I hope it happens anytime he shows up in public. Because it isn't about someone just disagreeing with a political ideal. It is about people who are actively trying to destroy others. And I have no sympathy for them at all.
So you believe in using violence to squash the free speech of a non violent individual? You believe in it so much, you want to see it done on such a scale that those ideas can never be talked about?
You are my enemy then. It seems we have an Antifa in our midst.
Ps as I remember you have a very fringe alternative life style that involves multiple wives or wife swapping or some such nonsense. but that's okay right, because it's your alternative fringe ideas. Others you don't like you want suppressed with violence? Your a real hypocrite too.
Live and let live.
That girl went out not to protest but for violence. She got it
I love how "alt right" has just become a catch phrase since this past election cycle. Rarely was it muttered in the past. It's a sad attempt to link these crazies to the right, when the truth is they are far from it.
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Moose-Knuckle
04-19-17, 05:31
Sorry but if you don't think the Alt Right isn't a threat to our country then you aren't paying attention or subscribe to their viewpoint. Because the Alt right isn't about Freedom loving conservatives. It is the fringe. The exact equivalent of Antifa. Call them Neo Fascist, or White Supremist, or anti Semites, or any other name including Nazi. But the name doesn't matter. The threat they pose to this country does. And it is just as big a threat as Antifa or Socialism or any other number of radical ideologies that focuses on pitting people against each other.
Mmkay, well get back to me when the ALT Right SS death squads get to this point.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/646/32433339522_7ef6b5befc_b.jpg
So yeah. I don't have a real problem with someone punching people like Richard Spencer and others who fall into that category. In fact in the case of people like him I hope it happens anytime he shows up in public. Because it isn't about someone just disagreeing with a political ideal. It is about people who are actively trying to destroy others. And I have no sympathy for them at all.
Oh you mean like radical leftist militants like Antifa? Or maybe radical islamic jihadists? You know the people who actually go out kill and destroy those they don't agree with. But I still haven't seen all the "White nationalist" boogie men shut down ANY of the leftist protest in this country like all the BLM highway blockers, the vagina hatted feminzazis, the abortionists, the "Day with out a _______", etc. Much less fly commercial airliners into occupied skyscrapers, plant IEDs at the Boston Marathon, shoot up a gay night club or a county holiday party, behead a coworker, shoot up a military post, so on and so forth.
While people like this stupid girl go out and protest, in the end they don't have much power. She can throw all the bottles and rocks she wants. She can do all the porn she wants. But nobody would have known a thing about her or what she stood for if not for Damingo and his stupidity.
She and her fellow Antifa black-bloc militants don't go out and "protest" way to make it sound all "calm and nice". They go out and commit arson, assaults, anarchy, etc. Had she not shown up to a Trump rally after bragging about "taking scalps" and wanting to fight grown men (a Marine veteran no less) no one would know who she is.
But instead of being worried about details and facts we have people on this forum cheering on a guy who idolizes David Duke and founded a Youth group attached to the National American Freedom Party.
It appears it's you that is "not worried about the facts" see my post above about her using or attempting to use glass bottles for shrapnel, aka IED. And who on this forum idolizes David Duke? Links to threads please.
And why are you cheering him on? Because the chick he hit has different political views than you. If she had been wearing a trump hat you all would be calling for his head.
I don't see anyone "cheering", more like laughing.
1. She punched him too but let me guess you're a feminist and you don't think men should be able to punch a woman back? Equal rights = equal fights.
2. She wasn't there to exercise her freedom of speech with "different political views than mine" she was there with her face covered to disrupt a peaceful protest and to assault people.
But of course my word isn't enough. Fair point.
Here is an article about him last year.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-nathan-damigo-alt-right-20161115-story.html
I didn't read anything in there about him burning books, wanting to gas people, or make lamp shades from their skin.
He is nothing better than human refuse and should be treated as such.
What do you have in mind? Perhaps herding him into a camp for a Zyklon B shower?
Grand58742
04-19-17, 07:35
What exactly makes this man a "Nazi"? It it because he supports Trump? If you have a link to a legitimate source citing him as a National Socialist I'd be interested in reading it.
It's very simple.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/200/368/147.jpg
Oh. damn it, come on....
What exactly makes this man a Nazi.....
We are throwing that term around too easy....
This from folks who don't care to make a distinction between non-violent practitioners of Islam and Jihadists - 'every Muslim wants to kill us'
Give....it....a....rest.
She is a douchebag.
He is a convicted, armed robber, separatist, douchebag.
Two douchebags met on film.
Don't defend either one, they are both stains on our society.
Oh. damn it, come on....
What exactly makes this man a Nazi.....
We are throwing that term around too easy....
This from folks who don't care to make a distinction between non-violent practitioners of Islam and Jihadists - 'every Muslim wants to kill us'
Give....it....a....rest.
She is a douchebag.
He is a convicted, armed robber, separatist, douchebag.
Two douchebags met on film.
Don't defend either one, they are both stains on our society.
Amen Brother Ben.
What's the difference between Berkeley and Auburn?
Professional LE:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/854475945402552320
AntiFa dressed down like children by LEOs
:dance3:
I'm unclear if that's legal. I believe citizens have the Right to hide their identity if they choose to. Private property law change that perhaps? Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws
I'm a tad surprised by that frankly. Seems anti mask laws are not enforced, and or arbitrarily enforced at best.
Sorry but if you don't think the Alt Right isn't a threat to our country then you aren't paying attention or subscribe to their viewpoint. Because the Alt right isn't about Freedom loving conservatives. It is the fringe. The exact equivalent of Antifa. Call them Neo Fascist, or White Supremist, or anti Semites, or any other name including Nazi. But the name doesn't matter. The threat they pose to this country does. And it is just as big a threat as Antifa or Socialism or any other number of radical ideologies that focuses on pitting people against each other.
So yeah. I don't have a real problem with someone punching people like Richard Spencer and others who fall into that category. In fact in the case of people like him I hope it happens anytime he shows up in public. Because it isn't about someone just disagreeing with a political ideal. It is about people who are actively trying to destroy others. And I have no sympathy for them at all.
While people like this stupid girl go out and protest, in the end they don't have much power. She can throw all the bottles and rocks she wants. She can do all the porn she wants. But nobody would have known a thing about her or what she stood for if not for Damingo and his stupidity.
He even makes sure to hit all the normal white supremacist talking points. Making it sound so calm and nice.
So in the end was the chick he hit a real piece of work? Yep she sure seemed to be. But in any way supporting or celebrating him is disgusting. He is nothing better than human refuse and should be treated as such.
So to you that skank is just a "stupid girl" and Damigo is Hitler/Himmler/Goering/Goebbels reincarnate huh? Never saw a leftward slant you didn't like, did ya?
Oh, and that last bolded part: she too is human refuse and should be treated as such.
Outlander Systems
04-19-17, 08:45
I'm not up on AL law, but I know in GA I would absolutely have an "LE experience" if I were to wear a mask in public.
I'm unclear if that's legal. I believe citizens have the Right to hide their identity if they choose to. Private property law change that perhaps?
Oh. damn it, come on....
What exactly makes this man a Nazi.....
We are throwing that term around too easy....
This from folks who don't care to make a distinction between non-violent practitioners of Islam and Jihadists - 'every Muslim wants to kill us'
Give....it....a....rest.
She is a douchebag.
He is a convicted, armed robber, separatist, douchebag.
Two douchebags met on film.
Don't defend either one, they are both stains on our society.
Agreed. Trash met trash.
SomeOtherGuy
04-19-17, 09:15
Sorry but if you don't think the Alt Right isn't a threat to our country then you aren't paying attention or subscribe to their viewpoint. Because the Alt right isn't about Freedom loving conservatives. It is the fringe. The exact equivalent of Antifa. Call them Neo Fascist, or White Supremist, or anti Semites, or any other name including Nazi. But the name doesn't matter. The threat they pose to this country does. And it is just as big a threat as Antifa or Socialism or any other number of radical ideologies that focuses on pitting people against each other.
All these labels and "new movements" are just so much in the eye of the beholder. What you call the alt-right may be actual Nazis (who as others noted aren't really right), and what someone else calls alt-right may be something like the Freedom Caucus in Congress. Media pundits create labels, other media echoes them without any precision or understanding, and all of a sudden a term is being tossed around like it has meaning, when it's utterly vague.
If the people posting in this thread all made a list of the 10 most prominent "alt-right" figures, I doubt any two lists would have more than two people in common.
The only issue where I think the "alt-right" is uniform is a belief that the Republican establishment isn't doing a good job and the Democratic establishment isn't more desirable. Great, we've just described 45-60% of US voters, most of whom wouldn't consider themselves alt-right.
So yeah. I don't have a real problem with someone punching people like Richard Spencer and others who fall into that category. In fact in the case of people like him I hope it happens anytime he shows up in public. Because it isn't about someone just disagreeing with a political ideal. It is about people who are actively trying to destroy others. And I have no sympathy for them at all.
You are way out of line here. No one should be physically attacking anyone for their stated or apparent political beliefs. I despise certain political movements but that doesn't give me license to start violence. You don't have license to attack people just because you dislike their views. Your statement above is the core of what is wrong with the "Antifa" types, and exactly what you claim to despise with your concept of "alt-right".
I'm unclear if that's legal. I believe citizens have the Right to hide their identity if they choose to. Private property law change that perhaps? Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws
I'm a tad surprised by that frankly. Seems anti mask laws are not enforced, and or arbitrarily enforced at best.
According to Section 13A-14-4 of the Alabama Code, it's a misdemeanor to wear a mask in public:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/geekalabama.com/2014/10/30/why-dressing-up-for-halloween-is-illegal-in-alabama-plus-last-minute-halloween-costume-ideas/amp/
NC has a similar law that was recently used against 2 jokers who "wondered" into my neighborhood wearing clown and Michael Myers masks...at 10PM...with weapons...
Sorry but if you don't think the Alt Right isn't a threat to our country then you aren't paying attention or subscribe to their viewpoint. Because the Alt right isn't about Freedom loving conservatives. It is the fringe. The exact equivalent of Antifa. Call them Neo Fascist, or White Supremist, or anti Semites, or any other name including Nazi. But the name doesn't matter. The threat they pose to this country does. And it is just as big a threat as Antifa or Socialism or any other number of radical ideologies that focuses on pitting people against each other.
So yeah. I don't have a real problem with someone punching people like Richard Spencer and others who fall into that category. In fact in the case of people like him I hope it happens anytime he shows up in public. Because it isn't about someone just disagreeing with a political ideal. It is about people who are actively trying to destroy others. And I have no sympathy for them at all.
While people like this stupid girl go out and protest, in the end they don't have much power. She can throw all the bottles and rocks she wants. She can do all the porn she wants. But nobody would have known a thing about her or what she stood for if not for Damingo and his stupidity.
But instead of being worried about details and facts we have people on this forum cheering on a guy who idolizes David Duke and founded a Youth group attached to the National American Freedom Party. Which is a White supremacist group plain and simple.
And why are you cheering him on? Because the chick he hit has different political views than you. If she had been wearing a trump hat you all would be calling for his head.
But of course my word isn't enough. Fair point.
Here is an article about him last year.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-nathan-damigo-alt-right-20161115-story.html
He even makes sure to hit all the normal white supremacist talking points. Making it sound so calm and nice.
So in the end was the chick he hit a real piece of work? Yep she sure seemed to be. But in any way supporting or celebrating him is disgusting. He is nothing better than human refuse and should be treated as such.
In the end, do you support him or anyone else punching her in the face whenever she goes out in public? Because we did know about her before she went out there to commit violence that she herself admitted in a viral post. So demonizing Damingo while downplaying the threat of a violent leftist is you choosing sides. Most of us here are denouncing both of them equally as the human excrement they are, but you're not apparently? If so that makes you W.R.O.N.G.
I'd also point out that he was brave enough to show his face, unlike the coward with a mask who was hiding hers. :rolleyes:
I'm unclear if that's legal. I believe citizens have the Right to hide their identity if they choose to. Private property law change that perhaps? Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws
I'm a tad surprised by that frankly. Seems anti mask laws are not enforced, and or arbitrarily enforced at best.
Not sure why you're surprised? From your own link:
Anti-mask or anti-masking laws refer to legislative or penal initiatives that seek to stop individuals from concealing their faces, who do so often to go unidentified during a crime.
This is exactly the kind of law you want arbitrarily or selectively enforced. It's perfectly ok to attend a masquerade ball, parade or Halloween party while wearing a mask. It's not ok to do so when burglarizing a home, disrupting a peaceful protest or rioting. They might as well be called "Here's Your Sign!" laws. :cool:
Outlander Systems
04-19-17, 09:47
You still should have broken out the KRISS...
According to Section 13A-14-4 of the Alabama Code, it's a misdemeanor to wear a mask in public:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/geekalabama.com/2014/10/30/why-dressing-up-for-halloween-is-illegal-in-alabama-plus-last-minute-halloween-costume-ideas/amp/
NC has a similar law that was recently used against 2 jokers who "wondered" into my neighborhood wearing clown and Michael Myers masks...at 10PM...with weapons...
I'm not up on AL law, but I know in GA I would absolutely have an "LE experience" if I were to wear a mask in public.
If i choose to not have people know my identity as I walk around committing no crime, I'm failing to see how that's an LE matter. Make me look suspicious as and or weird chit, no doubt.
Not sure why you're surprised? From your own link:
This is exactly the kind of law you want arbitrarily or selectively enforced. It's perfectly ok to attend a masquerade ball, parade or Halloween party while wearing a mask. It's not ok to do so when burglarizing a home, disrupting a peaceful protest or rioting. They might as well be called "Here's Your Sign!" laws. :cool:
But what if doing so peacefully in a peaceful protest?
You still should have broken out the KRISS...
Kriss was still being vetted for reliability. I had 500 lumens of light, a concealed MKE Z5P SBR, handgun, and 160 lbs of barking GSD when they walked by my house...
I'm unclear if that's legal. I believe citizens have the Right to hide their identity if they choose to. Private property law change that perhaps? Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws
I'm a tad surprised by that frankly. Seems anti mask laws are not enforced, and or arbitrarily enforced at best.
In some municipalities it is not legal to conceal one's identity in such a manner if engaged in unlawful activity.
https://beta.code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/22-3312.03.html
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Ahaha, love the people who support violence against the threat of ideas. Real American. The irony is impressive.
But violence to fight violence is apperently wrong depending on what group you belong too.
In some municipalities it is not legal to conceal one's identity in such a manner if engaged in unlawful activity.
https://beta.code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/22-3312.03.html
Again, that's the key sentence. What if not engaged in unlawful activity? Should concealing one's identity during a lawful activity be illegal? During a peaceful protest for personal reasons? Walking down the street?
Ahaha, love the people who support violence against the threat of ideas. Real American. The irony is impressive.
But violence to fight violence is apperently wrong depending on what group you belong too.
Delusional people, who will have their delusions strengthened in a group, will always view it as defensive violence to justify their actions. Ergo, there's no irony to it in their warped POV.
Outlander Systems
04-19-17, 10:32
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Ahaha, love the people who support violence against the threat of ideas. Real American. The irony is impressive.
But violence to fight violence is apperently wrong depending on what group you belong too.
Dist. Expert 26
04-19-17, 10:33
Again, that's the key sentence. What if not engaged in unlawful activity? Should concealing one's identity during a lawful activity be illegal? During a peaceful protest for personal reasons? Walking down the street?
Or as part of your religious beliefs?...
Again, that's the key sentence. What if not engaged in unlawful activity? Should concealing one's identity during a lawful activity be illegal? During a peaceful protest for personal reasons? Walking down the street?
Again depends on the district. If your doing peaceful things in a peaceful manner and not obstructing, inciting, disrupting, so on and so forth then get your guy Fawkes on all you want.
But getting RS for a lawful stop will still be ridiculously easy.
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Or as part of your religious beliefs?...
A good point
Again depends on the district. If your doing peaceful things in a peaceful manner and not obstructing, inciting, disrupting, so on and so forth then get your guy Fawkes on all you want.
I wonder how many people hid their identity during revolutionary times to prevent the Brits from knowing who they were? Personally, being able to hide your identity during lawful peaceful protest et al being illegal does not pass the Const smell test for me and has slippery slope written all over it.
But getting RS for a lawful stop will still be ridiculously easy.
I'd imagine so.
But what if doing so peacefully in a peaceful protest?
That's exactly what most of them are doing, right up until they start throwing shit at people, lighting fuses and trying to sucker punch the opposition. When the vitriol is amped up and tensions are running that high, wearing a mask only emboldens them to cross the line. Sorry, but if you feel the need to wear a mask at a "protest", you probably don't have the temperament to be there in the first place. :(
That's exactly what most of them are doing, right up until they start throwing shit at people, lighting fuses and trying to sucker punch the opposition. When the vitriol is amped up and tensions are running that high, wearing a mask only emboldens them to cross the line.
I don't disagree per se, but it's also irrelevant to the larger issue at hand. Cross the line, you get arrested, mask or no mask.
Sorry, but if you feel the need to wear a mask at a "protest", you probably don't have the temperament to be there in the first place. :(
Antifa and the D bags they went to fight (many of whom also had their identities hidden...) are part of the larger discussion. Aint no one arresting these boys for hiding their identity because they remained peaceful. Of course that was mainly due to the line of LE between the the groups.
We don't get to pick and choose where Const Rights are applied due if we agree or do not agree with their message.
http://bucket1.glanacion.com/anexos/fotos/90/donald-trump-presidente-de-eeuu-2300390w620.jpg
I don't disagree per se, but it's also irrelevant to the larger issue at hand. Cross the line, you get arrested, mask or no mask.
Antifa and the D bags they went to fight (many of whom also had their identities hidden...) are part of the larger discussion. Aint no one arresting these boys for hiding their identity because they remained peaceful. Of course that was mainly due to the line of LE between the the groups.
We don't get to pick and choose where Const Rights are applied due if we agree or do not agree with their message.
http://bucket1.glanacion.com/anexos/fotos/90/donald-trump-presidente-de-eeuu-2300390w620.jpg
That's just it, the message is completely irrelevant. You have to understand that major metropolitan law enforcement agencies have intelligence units. They scour social media and often have advance warning from the very perpetrators of criminal activity at so-called "peaceful protests", that they intend to commit those crimes. That's exactly what Moldylocks did. So when they show up an get all "But muh rights!" with their masks and baggy clothing, RAS has already been established. Wearing masks with the intent to conceal their identity is part of the criminal conspiracy.
I'm as libertarian, let people be until they actually hurt someone as they come, but a lot of these anarchists are bought an paid for the minute they show up. :(
That's just it, the message is completely irrelevant. You have to understand that major metropolitan law enforcement agencies have intelligence units. They scour social media and often have advance warning from the very perpetrators of criminal activity at so-called "peaceful protests", that they intend to commit those crimes. That's exactly what Moldylocks did. So when they show up an get all "But muh rights!" with their masks and baggy clothing, RAS has already been established. Wearing masks with the intent to conceal their identity is part of the criminal conspiracy.
I'm as libertarian, let people be until they actually hurt someone as they come, but a lot of these anarchists are bought an paid for the minute they show up. :(
Well explained, thanx.
That's just it, the message is completely irrelevant. You have to understand that major metropolitan law enforcement agencies have intelligence units. They scour social media and often have advance warning from the very perpetrators of criminal activity at so-called "peaceful protests", that they intend to commit those crimes. That's exactly what Moldylocks did. So when they show up an get all "But muh rights!" with their masks and baggy clothing, RAS has already been established. Wearing masks with the intent to conceal their identity is part of the criminal conspiracy.
I'm as libertarian, let people be until they actually hurt someone as they come, but a lot of these anarchists are bought an paid for the minute they show up. :(
Truth.
Unfortunately....
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KalashniKEV
04-19-17, 13:20
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/646/32433339522_7ef6b5befc_b.jpg
Oh, Hi... just cruising through- but wanted to let you know that you've probably been got by one of your fake news sites again.
This is Antifa taking back terrain from ISIS, fighting alongside the YPG:
https://itsgoingdown.org/right-urges-fear-refugees-antifa-fighting-isis/
Not too keen on the whole you must show your face "law", as I agree in the slippery slope analogy.
However, I think there is plenty of precedent set by these guys that they are NOT there to express themselves with words, but rather violence. I'd bet even without statutes there is enough RS to "investigate" folks so to speak.
So long as the "investigations" are uniform aka you look at both sides of the protest equally then it's a bit more palatable. If we get to asking folks for I'd on a cold winter day then we have issues.
Oh, Hi... just cruising through- but wanted to let you know that you've probably been got by one of your fake news sites again.
This is Antifa taking back terrain from ISIS, fighting alongside the YPG:
https://itsgoingdown.org/right-urges-fear-refugees-antifa-fighting-isis/
The PKM would lend one to believe it wasn't here, at least not unless they were posing with one of those uber-expensive semi-auto clones.
KalashniKEV
04-19-17, 16:29
The PKM would lend one to believe it wasn't here, at least not unless they were posing with one of those uber-expensive semi-auto clones.
The implication in post #118 was not that Antifa had PKMs CONUS, but that they were part of ISIS "death squads."
The real reason they are standing in front of the ISIS billboard is because they were part of the righteous struggle to liberate Kobane.
(UNLESS, I am misreading the intent of post #118, and just like Trump and Flynn-icia, that person is actually upset that Daesh is losing terrain to Kurdish liberation groups considered as "terrorists" or "falling under Iranian Influence."
Again, that's the key sentence. What if not engaged in unlawful activity? Should concealing one's identity during a lawful activity be illegal? During a peaceful protest for personal reasons? Walking down the street?
Just pretend you've got TB.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170419/2bd7a0388a6c73524c71e6019f173498.jpg
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Please dont give people ideas.
Because if you say you gots the Teeb, I will believe you and go the other way.
Please dont give people ideas.
Because if you say you gots the Teeb, I will believe you and go the other way.
Peachtree-Pine, baby.
Gimme that N95.
SomeOtherGuy
04-19-17, 21:04
Just pretend you've got TB.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170419/2bd7a0388a6c73524c71e6019f173498.jpg
What I can see behind the mask makes me think that you are actually much more attractive than your profile photo. I'm guessing your profile photo is your DL or passport photo? Might want to get a new portrait taken after you get over that nasty TB.
Moose-Knuckle
04-20-17, 03:26
This from folks who don't care to make a distinction between non-violent practitioners of Islam and Jihadists - 'every Muslim wants to kill us'
:blink:
Give....it....a....rest.
She is a douchebag.
He is a convicted, armed robber, separatist, douchebag.
Two douchebags met on film.
Don't defend either one, they are both stains on our society.
Both individuals in the now viral exchange have been put under the microscope AFTER THE FACT.
My comments of this event were based on that event.
Moose-Knuckle
04-20-17, 03:40
Oh, Hi... just cruising through- but wanted to let you know that you've probably been got by one of your fake news sites again.
You cruising through?
Harldy, you only participate in threads that pertain to certain subject matters.
As for your "fake news site" quip, that image was plucked from a Google image search, you know the lefty tech firm. But gosh Google now must be in on the conspiracy too!
This is Antifa taking back terrain from ISIS, fighting alongside the YPG:
https://itsgoingdown.org/right-urges-fear-refugees-antifa-fighting-isis/
So you accuse me of posting a photo from a "fake news site" and YOU post a fake news site, well actually a radical militant left site as a rebuttal?
:lol:
The implication in post #118 was not that Antifa had PKMs CONUS, but that they were part of ISIS "death squads."
The real reason they are standing in front of the ISIS billboard is because they were part of the righteous struggle to liberate Kobane.
(UNLESS, I am misreading the intent of post #118, and just like Trump and Flynn-icia, that person is actually upset that Daesh is losing terrain to Kurdish liberation groups considered as "terrorists" or "falling under Iranian Influence."
My "SS Death squad" remark was a sarcastic response to the constant referring of the Alt-Right as Nazis.
But hey, go ahead and keep on painting with that broad brush of yours and posting shit from militant leftist websites, it's simply D E L I S H . . .
I could care less who he is or his past ! the chick got hers and was treated equally :)
she should be happy !
Eurodriver
04-20-17, 07:06
I'm not up on AL law, but I know in GA I would absolutely have an "LE experience" if I were to wear a mask in public.
Same one FL. Illegal.
The National Socialist German Workers Party was fascist, and derived from Marxism.
Everytime I try to explain that fascism and communism are ideological siblings, at most or cousins, peoples' minds melt. The right/left wing are sides of a horse shoe, I say, and not opposite ends of a linear spectrum of political thought. Everyone seems to think these are polar opposites, even when I list the similarities- authoritarian, totalitarian, collectivist, socialist and centrist governments. No use in trying anymore, I'm afraid. The BS is so deeply ingrained that it is like trying to convert a devout, deeply religous person- it won't happen, no matter what.
Everytime I try to explain that fascism and communism are ideological siblings, at most or cousins, peoples' minds melt. The right/left wing are sides of a horse shoe, I say, and not opposite ends of a linear spectrum of political thought. Everyone seems to think these are polar opposites, even when I list the similarities- authoritarian, totalitarian, collectivist, socialist and centrist governments. No use in trying anymore, I'm afraid. The BS is so deeply ingrained that it is like trying to convert a devout, deeply religous person- it won't happen, no matter what.
End of the day, the results are the same. That's all that really matters. The rest is mental masturbation for people who don't get out of their classrooms enough and are the most surprised when they find themselves in a work camp or being hanged.
“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
― Winston S. Churchill
Everytime I try to explain that fascism and communism are ideological siblings, at most or cousins, peoples' minds melt. The right/left wing are sides of a horse shoe, I say, and not opposite ends of a linear spectrum of political thought. Everyone seems to think these are polar opposites, even when I list the similarities- authoritarian, totalitarian, collectivist, socialist and centrist governments. No use in trying anymore, I'm afraid. The BS is so deeply ingrained that it is like trying to convert a devout, deeply religous person- it won't happen, no matter what.
You are quite correct on all counts.
And the POS who throws the bottle that opens that guys head up in the vids in OP, appears to have been identified via facial recognition that even the hidden face didn't hide. You'll never guess who it (allegedly) is, another tolerant peaceful progressive. He should be arrested for assault and fired from his position. If enough people contact DV College to voice their outrage, maybe they'll cut him lose.
"Eric Clanton, a former San Francisco State University Professor, has been identified as the attacker. His life is all uphill from here. He currently teaches at Diablo Valley College."
http://theredelephants.com/antifa-bike-lock-attacker-identified/
And the POS who throws the bottle that opens that guys head up in the vids in OP, appears to have been identified via facial recognition that even the hidden face didn't hide. You'll never guess who it (allegedly) is, another tolerant peaceful progressive. He should be arrested for assault and fired from his position. If enough people contact DV College to voice their outrage, maybe they'll cut him lose.
"Eric Clanton, a former San Francisco State University Professor, has been identified as the attacker. His life is all uphill from here. He currently teaches at Diablo Valley College."
http://theredelephants.com/antifa-bike-lock-attacker-identified/
Ain't nothing going to happen to him.
Ain't nothing going to happen to him.
Dude he smashed over the head could go after him in civil court I assume if he can prove it was him. Apparently he did that to others that day too.
Outlander Systems
04-20-17, 12:49
I imagine he's an absolute hoot at Thanksgiving get-togethers ...
Ain't nothing going to happen to him.
She and the chit head who struck dude with bike lock and ran off will now be hiding in their safe spaces no doubt. Karma can be a real mother f-er.
"An elderly woman was injured by one of the m80's you're throwing, are you okay with that"
Mouldylocks - "The revolution isn't fcking easy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGo8FRlVkDA
Quite a quote there.
Lots of thick, heavy, and sad irony.
They talk about 'revolution'. Maybe nobody else believes in their cause or their ideas but they "must" or else.
Because they are trying to take away our rights. So...these are the people. Those who skank out loud and those with Swastikas on their chests and its rather sad because we didnt send 18 year olds to jump out of planes over France with Garands for all this.
Outlander Systems
04-20-17, 16:32
http://www.dariawiki.org/wiki/images/c/c3/Ssw-french.jpg
Quite a quote there.
Lots of thick, heavy, and sad irony.
They talk about 'revolution'. Maybe nobody else believes in their cause or their ideas but they "must" or else.
Because they are trying to take away our rights. So...these are the people. Those who skank out loud and those with Swastikas on their chests and its rather sad because we didnt send 18 year olds to jump out of planes over France with Garands for all this.
Ain't nothing going to happen to him.
Nobody expected free speech supporters to show up with shields and helmets and beat the shit out of the black hoodie crowd, either.
One way or another, that guy is in a world of shit. It would appear there is video of him smashing people with his bike lock on 6 separate occasions at multiple events.
Dude he smashed over the head could go after him in civil court I assume if he can prove it was him. Apparently he did that to others that day too.
Google William Ayers he was an actual terrorist and founding member of the Weather Underground and they made him a professor.
Based on the videographic evidence at hand; Clanton did strike the victim about the pileum of his head with a blunt object (a tire lock) thereby causing visible bleeding and injury. Incident was without provocation and appeared to be a sudden attack.
I would say that a warrant could/should be issued for Felony Battery.
I am biased a bit as a sufferer of concussion that it is no joke. It was quite malicious. Victim could have had traumatic brain injury or swelling. You can kill someone like that. It isnt the movies where it "puts you to sleep". If someone doesnt come to in short order or have pupil response they could end up comatose.
All over politics. Clanton, despite his personal opinions, was objectively unthreatened and was the aggressor.
You know....I know these people think they are fight Nazis/Communists but, no. They are just hurting people who disagree.
In three or seven years, Trump will be out of office but TBIs and dead folks....it wont matter to them.
Maybe I'm getting older, maybe I got low T. Maybe I'm just becoming a puss but I am failing to see the call to passion that everybody else is.
For an Arch-Conservative with some mildly anarchic smatterings, I feel far more easy going than the people who allegedly smoke weed and chill all day.
Yep the system is corrupt and shall always be. No, I dont like it either. I'm pretty sure if I got elected POTUS with a plan to bring us back to some pre-1930s Freedom that I would get told "Hooooold them purty pink panties back up....." and get told about Kennedy, McKinley, and so on. Get told by some cigarette smoking man about how they have seen Presidents die. Get a flyover of Arlington in Black One and be told by CSM to cast my gaze upon the fields of stone and be told that the entire grounds are stacked deep with 'indispensible' men. Then I'd play my side of the card, get allowed my pet 'legacy', do my time, and go
That's the game. There it is.
And nothing in there is worth damaging another human over in the middle of a street.
So no.....we wont get new Machine guns and massive tax reduction back. And No, we wont get free college or cradle to grave ass wipings.
And no matter how you voted or who you support, they dont GAF about any of us.
So why engage in such hurtful behavior?
My greatest fear, and I have said this since Ferguson, is that there will be an American My Lai where the police or some other entity will get set upon the wrong way, say F it, and it will make Kent State look very minor.
The air full of Reefer, BO, human waste, OC, and CS. Long hours in hot sun in riot gear. The frustration and anger that these people are here freely when they coukd be off flying a kite, making love, and enjoying a normal life. The shrillness and the pomposity of it all.
And that's not counting the guys who are fagstompers and think that a white girl actively in a sexual relationship with a black dude is somehow their business (it's not) and the guys who hate on Jews and Arabs (a lot of assimilates who are 3rd gen who may not be religious at all). Sheet bleaching "angry white men" who think TV is out to get them. Theres a channel button and a power button but there's no White Power button and never will be.
And one day some dude on hour 20 of was originally an 8 hour shift is gonna be like the mustache guy from Dawn of the Dead stalking about with a shotgun and blasting heads like watermelons until one of his own men is forced to gun him down. Or maybe it will breed sympathetic fire where all become masses of human tsrgets wearing their raver masks and dressed in black almost making it easier to be caught in a cathartic blood lust for these screaming, shrieking, violent gadflies......
So maybe people should increase the peace.
Moose-Knuckle
04-21-17, 04:48
Everytime I try to explain that fascism and communism are ideological siblings, at most or cousins, peoples' minds melt. The right/left wing are sides of a horse shoe, I say, and not opposite ends of a linear spectrum of political thought. Everyone seems to think these are polar opposites, even when I list the similarities- authoritarian, totalitarian, collectivist, socialist and centrist governments. No use in trying anymore, I'm afraid. The BS is so deeply ingrained that it is like trying to convert a devout, deeply religous person- it won't happen, no matter what.
How many people today even know that the terms "Right Wing" and "Left Wing" derived from the French National Assembly's 1789 seating arraignment? :cool:
Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism . . . all brought to you in part by Ism incorporated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY
Moose-Knuckle
04-21-17, 04:57
Nobody expected free speech supporters to show up with shields and helmets and beat the shit out of the black hoodie crowd, either.
Well that happens after witnessing this sort of hooliganism over the last year and half while POTUS was on the campaign trail not to mention the black-bloc militants whole purpose is to attack and disrupt said events.
(compiled list of Trump supporters attacked outside his rallies)
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trump+supporters+attacked+at+rallies
Well that happens after witnessing this sort of hooliganism over the last year and half while POTUS was on the campaign trail not to mention the black-bloc militants whole purpose is to attack and disrupt said events.
(compiled list of Trump supporters attacked outside his rallies)
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trump+supporters+attacked+at+rallies
These aren't "protesters", they are violent agitators, and has nothing to do with the 1A. Once their agitation turns violent, and takes away rights from other people, they need to be shut down.
Eurodriver
04-21-17, 08:34
My friend just got the lollipop from Earl Warren a few days ago.
She said this event is really being overblown. After stepping back I can see her point. It's just being used by both sides as a "Look at what assholes they are, but the violence being perpetrated against them is not from us. It is someone else!" talking point.
Moose-Knuckle
04-22-17, 03:17
These aren't "protesters", they are violent agitators, and has nothing to do with the 1A. Once their agitation turns violent, and takes away rights from other people, they need to be shut down.
Are you talking about the Antifa black-bloc militants or the Trump supporters?
If Antifa, yes I agree and that is what I've been saying in this thread and the other about "the left and balls for war". If you are referring to the Trump supporters here then I don't agree.
Sorry for any confusion on my part.
Eurodriver
04-22-17, 09:11
Are you talking about the Antifa black-bloc militants or the Trump supporters?
If Antifa, yes I agree and that is what I've been saying in this thread and the other about "the left and balls for war". If you are referring to the Trump supporters here then I don't agree.
Sorry for any confusion on my part.
This dude is the most biased I've ever come across.
A self proclaimed Nazi sympathizer punches a woman in the face and Moose defends the guy saying he is neither a nazi sympathizer nor violent.
Antifa marches around with flags and fireworks and masks and they are Bolshevik revolutionaries coming for your kids.
Oh, in before the "Euro is a liberal/cop hater/communist/ANTIFA sympathizer" retort.
Averageman
04-22-17, 09:37
This makes me want to stay as far away from the "fun" as possible. You wanna fight these guys in the streets and this will accomplish...?
To be honest, I will go to the range, the gym, a museum or just live a long, full, boring life and just wait for these Mopes to bring it to me.
Setting myself up for failure got old when I was about 17.
This makes me want to stay as far away from the "fun" as possible. You wanna fight these guys in the streets and this will accomplish...?
Exactly! My rule is that if I need to gear up to attend a "rally" then I don't need to be going at all.
My sentiments exactly. I don't go to rallies. I have better things to do, plus my fuse is too short. That said, the Left, personified by the Antifags, has ruled the roost at those events for FAR too long. It's time they had their heads busted and more than a little pushback.
Who said anything about being friends?
Though, the leftists believe the adage. Which is why they have aligned with radical Islam against conservatives and libertarians.
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Well she went lookin for violence and found it.
I'm not a fan of white supremacists. But while they are bad, they are not a threat to me ultimately.
Antifa has a stance that is ultimately a threat to my way of life, they see my way of life as wrong and worthy of tearing down.
I personally don't think punching anyone randomly is ok. I have seen a surge of support online for sucker punching 'nazis' in the face. Unfortunately nazi is currently being used these days like 'racist' it's over used and applied to people who's views are not that extreme. I don't think the alt right are 'nazi'.
However some one who thinks it's okay to sucker punch a non violent individual because they don't agree with your world view is a problem to me and a threat.
This makes me want to stay as far away from the "fun" as possible. You wanna fight these guys in the streets and this will accomplish...?
To be honest, I will go to the range, the gym, a museum or just live a long, full, boring life and just wait for these Mopes to bring it to me.
Setting myself up for failure got old when I was about 17.
The thing I find hilariously ironic is all the people here that care SOOOOO much about their freedom when it comes to the 2A (but muh gunz! Muh supprezzerz!) but apparently DGAF when it comes to anything else, as long as they get to live their happy boring life with an occasional trip to the range.
There's something wrong with that outlook, especially from what I would assume the political demographic on a forum like this is...
Yeah, the steetfighting (actually, "street squabbling" since nobody's really making an effort to actually fight it out... yet) is stupid as **** schoolyard antics-"She sprayed me", "Well he punched me" Waaaaaah!.
BUT.... playing devils advocate for a moment, at least there are some groups of people out there to counter the "official" message. Because it's simple- if you leave the leftists free to advocate their political/social views with NO counter, theirs becomes the only message heard by the country at large. And it's already a hell of an uphill battle given the blatant media bias.
So, while scuffling in the streets may not be the *best* way to counter the leftists, at least *someone* is out there doing it, while we sit here on OUR asses and complain about it all, and wonder how the country has gotten to this point. Because that's what the leftists intend to capitalize on to get their message out unimpeded- the fact the most folks opposing them are generally averse to violence and would rather be left the hell alone.
Therefore... "the enemy of my enemy" and all that.
Also, do look up every so often and notice that, even across Europe, not just here in the US, the people doing the mass "protesting" (my ass), breaking and burning shit, attacking random people they don't like, and fighting with the police are almost unilaterally the leftist oh-so-misnamed "antifa" types. I mean, there's a no-fly zone and thousands of Police deployed in Cologne for the ADF conference because the Antifa types are *already* getting stupid... A no-fly zone for goodness sake. When was the last time that happened over a political event?
Further, I am goddammed sick and tired of hearing the incessant "angry white men" narrative.
WHERE? Unless some good wannabe nazi-punching samaritans show up to start shit, even the blatant face-tattooed Nazi rallies or protests, or whatever they call them would come and go quietly.
It's good to see left's the brainwashing has taken so well.
I find it ironic that you assume to know people and their deeds based on a few forum posts. I for one have been quite active battling progressivism.
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daddyusmaximus
04-22-17, 14:44
I've read and heard a lot about the stupid crap the commies on the left are pulling and saw this video shared on facebook. The attack is in the first 20 seconds. Trump supporter guy talking with some masked ANTIFA criminals. He's just talking. Some commie coward (also masked) reaches over a female to deliver a blow to the head with a steel bike lock.... then runs away.
I'm starting to really get worried we will end up turning into another Yemen, or Syria. Never thought it would happen here, but isn't that what they all say? These leftists are normally an anti-gun crowd, but I have also seen things where they are wanting to get weapons now.
Kinda late for that. Idiots don't realize that our side is armed to the teeth and better trained? They think that because we have sat and watched them run amok for so long, we won't get tired of it one day, and take off the gloves. Like lazy parents, this is our fault for not teaching them a lesson before. We have spoiled them. It's about time to go get the paddle and spank them. This won't end well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg
I probably could go out on my own accord and beat the hell out of hippies Negan style.
But then I would get put in prison.
They dont care about felony records. I do. And yes, I would love to be left alone and enjoy peaceful sunny days at the range with my Kalichrome Ray Bans and flop hat. I carried guns enough on The Man's time to last me centuries.
My main goal in life really is to enjoy life like them tampax commercials. Sipping tea, riding a bike, and curling up with a kitten.
If you sink to tge levels of Proles, they shall always outnumber you and beat you with experience
keep saying the white supremacist groups need to get together with the biker gangs and go to town till none are standing at one of these events :)
that would be a fun vid to watch !
Averageman
04-22-17, 20:30
I don't really care that these two groups meet for what for all purposes appears to be a combination "Nerd" fight and Whine fest.
Trust me, no one there is fighting in my name or to "protect" my rights, not a single one of them.
These are the equivalent of petulant children with access to too much money and with way too much time on their hands.
I just finished a four day forty mile hike in the Grand Canyon yesterday, the lesson I took out of that was IDGAF about most people or the BS they promote. I just want to live a good long healthy life and avoid negatives.
They can play this game in Berkeley as much as they want, it's not working in Texas and definitely not in my front yard in Texas.
Feel free to disagree with each other, but do not call each other names. This is the only warning you will get. Next time will get infracted.
I find it ironic that you assume to know people and their deeds based on a few forum posts. I for one have been quite active battling progressivism.
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That's a fair point, and good for you.
It's more than "this forum" although, to be fair. What can I say... I guess I'm just tired of hearing the alternating whining and chest thumping from the same groups for the last few years especially.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
04-22-17, 23:25
The left knows, understands, and harnesses violence very well. The right, well, we think that because we own guns we are in charge. We arent.
You can disagree, but actions speak louder than words.
Averageman
04-22-17, 23:36
The left knows, understands, and harnesses violence very well. The right, well, we think that because we own guns we are in charge. We arent.
You can disagree, but actions speak louder than words.
Yes, but again;
This is at best the equivalent of two sissies in a slap fight when it comes to true no BS violence. It's all drama and little blood or broken bones and and of yet no gun shots.
Wake me up when it leaves the protected environment that is Berkeley. This works there because it is allowed to.
Bring some of this to Houston, San Antonio, or hell, even Austin Texas and see how this is going to work.
Outside of Berkeley California, someone's going to get shot swinging a lock on a chain and it's very likely to be justifiable.
Moose-Knuckle
04-23-17, 05:20
This dude is the most biased I've ever come across.
And you said I was on your ignore list, I know you couldn't stay away. :haha:
A self proclaimed Nazi sympathizer punches a woman in the face and Moose defends the guy saying he is neither a nazi sympathizer nor violent.
Reading comprehension is a thing.
Page 8 post #154 from this thread:
Both individuals in the now viral exchange have been put under the microscope AFTER THE FACT.
My comments of this event were based on that event.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?195696-More-Fun-at-Berkeley/page8
Antifa marches around with flags and fireworks and masks and they are Bolshevik revolutionaries coming for your kids.
If you are going to troll my posts in multiple threads the least you could do is to quote me correctly.
Page 1 post #20 from an entirely different thread:
Antifa at present are the amateur night version of what they aspire to be, Bolshevik revolutionaries.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?195823-The-Radical-Left-who-are-they-and-how-do-we-stop-them
Oh, in before the "Euro is a liberal/cop hater/communist/ANTIFA sympathizer" retort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHG2oizTlpY
Eurodriver
04-23-17, 07:02
The left knows, understands, and harnesses violence very well. The right, well, we think that because we own guns we are in charge. We arent.
You can disagree, but actions speak louder than words.
Amen.
The thing I find hilariously ironic is all the people here that care SOOOOO much about their freedom when it comes to the 2A (but muh gunz! Muh supprezzerz!) but apparently DGAF when it comes to anything else, as long as they get to live their happy boring life with an occasional trip to the range.
There's something wrong with that outlook, especially from what I would assume the political demographic on a forum like this is...
Yeah, the steetfighting (actually, "street squabbling" since nobody's really making an effort to actually fight it out... yet) is stupid as **** schoolyard antics-"She sprayed me", "Well he punched me" Waaaaaah!.
BUT.... playing devils advocate for a moment, at least there are some groups of people out there to counter the "official" message. Because it's simple- if you leave the leftists free to advocate their political/social views with NO counter, theirs becomes the only message heard by the country at large. And it's already a hell of an uphill battle given the blatant media bias.
So, while scuffling in the streets may not be the *best* way to counter the leftists, at least *someone* is out there doing it, while we sit here on OUR asses and complain about it all, and wonder how the country has gotten to this point. Because that's what the leftists intend to capitalize on to get their message out unimpeded- the fact the most folks opposing them are generally averse to violence and would rather be left the hell alone.
Therefore... "the enemy of my enemy" and all that.
Also, do look up every so often and notice that, even across Europe, not just here in the US, the people doing the mass "protesting" (my ass), breaking and burning shit, attacking random people they don't like, and fighting with the police are almost unilaterally the leftist oh-so-misnamed "antifa" types. I mean, there's a no-fly zone and thousands of Police deployed in Cologne for the ADF conference because the Antifa types are *already* getting stupid... A no-fly zone for goodness sake. When was the last time that happened over a political event?
Further, I am goddammed sick and tired of hearing the incessant "angry white men" narrative.
WHERE? Unless some good wannabe nazi-punching samaritans show up to start shit, even the blatant face-tattooed Nazi rallies or protests, or whatever they call them would come and go quietly.
It's good to see left's the brainwashing has taken so well.
Well since you quoted me, maybe you missed this part: "That said, the Left, personified by the Antifags, has ruled the roost at those events for FAR too long. It's time they had their heads busted and more than a little pushback."
The fact that these are "protests" that I won't be attending is irrelevant, as I earlier said that if I wanted to go see Trump speak somewhere I could likely expect this type of crap on my way in or out of said venue and therefore it wouldn't matter that it wasn't a "protest" per se. i.e. we can all expect to encounter this shit at some point without specifically showing up at a "protest".
Like Averageman said, this is occurring in the controlled libtard environment of Berkeley. It was a non-starter when they tried it at Auburn.
Something to chew on but can we stop referring to the white supremacy folks as Trump supporters? They may show up with Trump signs sure but offering any validation to their cause is just unbecoming.
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Something to chew on but can we stop referring to the white supremacy folks as Trump supporters? They may show up with Trump signs sure but offering any validation to their cause is just unbecoming.
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That. Trump supporter and neo nazi white supremacist is not an interchangeable term. Members here know that, but best not to play to those who do think they're interchangeable terms. I have no doubt the dude is a Trump supporter but that's well secondary to the issue at hand. Again, she got what she went there for, violent confrontation. That's a separate issue from the guy she happened to get punched in her dumb face was a dick head that does not represent the vast majority of Trump supporters. Not news to members here.
The left knows, understands, and harnesses violence very well. The right, well, we think that because we own guns we are in charge. We arent.
You can disagree, but actions speak louder than words.
+1
Also, here's a couple interesting reads:
Anarchist Reddit discussing events of thread- a good overall discussion to read through, an interesting overview of the various thought processes at play "over there".
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/65m67k/the_troubling_implications_of_the_conflict_in/
A fun leftist podcast site with all sort of interesting things to see:
https://itsgoingdown.org/podcast/
Reading some of that....the Alt Knight got his ass locked up again.
I dunno if he can keep memeing himself through life
Anarchist Reddit discussing events of thread- a good overall discussion to read through, an interesting overview of the various thought processes at play "over there".
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/65m67k/the_troubling_implications_of_the_conflict_in/
What a fascinating read!
"We need to be better organized, with someone in control direct in the troops"
"Dude, we're anarchists, remember?
And this gem:
Neo-man: "The only thing that this shows is that fascism in America exists only as mindless violence and is completely politically impotent, there little more then street gang's."
asdjk482: "Then what the hell does that say about us?!"
jaja10: "The only thing that this shows is that antifa in America exists only as mindless violence and is completely politically impotent, there little more then street gang's."
Other observations and quotes:
- they view what they are doing as "self defense" against the assault of fascist ideas. To which someone pointed out that the Fascists have the same view, self defense against immigration, etc
- some call to arm themselves with firearms, and others point out how that will not end well.
- "I'm seriously worried that our obsession with violent confrontations is nothing more than a front for inactivity. You get a rush of adrenaline and dopamine from the feeling of the crowd and the fight, and it blinds you to the fact that the*real*fight encompasses our entire way of living, not just a mere meaningless clash of bodies in the streets."
-"From what I saw from the livestreams, the police completely stood down. I'm not saying that we should rely on the police at all, but it's very interesting that they didn't intervene like usual. They wanted the fights to happen."
"What did you want them to do? Shut us down? We were instigating most of it, from what I witnessed at least. If the police had intervened the fascists wouldn't have gotten in trouble, except for maybe a few of them. However, I think we would have."
- they appear to be very focused on the "Nazi"/white supremacists, but then flip to the idea that what they are doing will somehow get Trump out of power.
-some are saying they don't have a problem with alt-right that are not violent and just protesting. To which another pointed out "so that's why you pepper sprayed a chick because she was wearing a hat?"
Very fascinating, disheartening and encouraging all at the same time.
Especially their inner strife over employing tactics and leadership vs being anarchists and avoiding central leadership because... you know... anarchy. Basically this little movement if theirs is mostly a fashion statement as not enough are willing to put forth effort to succeed, hiding their inherent laziness under the guise of anarchy and a blizzard of hankerchiefed selfies
Lenin's "useful idiots" certainly seem to be alive and well.
Averageman
04-24-17, 23:10
Something to chew on but can we stop referring to the white supremacy folks as Trump supporters? They may show up with Trump signs sure but offering any validation to their cause is just unbecoming.
The "White Supremacy" narrative gets a bit old when you look a little closer doesn't it?
My Fathers family is a nice mix of everything that had come to, was in, or was forcibly brought here to America. The irony to me was that they were all hard core Democrats until my Dad saw the light sometime in his military service in the late 1950's.
As my Grandparents refused to leave their mixed race, multicultural neighborhood in the late 1960's. They were finally forced out when there garage was fire bombed during the racial troubles after the Democratic Convention in Chicago.
So if you might be "Mixed Race", if you are too "White", obviously to the anti-fa, you are a racist based upon your perceived race, which is based upon your predominate skin color. Which then of course makes you a "White Supremacist".
My Grandmother, bless her soul was kind enough to remind us, and these are her words, that there was more than one Ni**er in our Family wood pile. Of course that meant little to the folks She went to Church with who's kids burnt the better part of her house down.
It's kind of nice to know that the true fascist are back at it again.
Averageman
04-24-17, 23:10
Double Tap.
In a way......I am a bit envipus of young people who can be so Liberal and Left Wing.
Seems like fun. Free love, good intentions, all inclusiveness.
But it isnt. STDs, unwanted pregnancies, "fur is murder, no exceptions" and only championing 'Black causes' because they thought blacks were too dumb to know better and 'needed help'. Going out to register people to vote for clowns who will never die poor.
I saw it. I knew this one girl who thought she was chic for screwing a black guy....then she found someone with money. And she was super racist.
I'd love to live the Beau Geste days of drum banging and causes.
But sadly....life isnt like that. Never was. People will dislike you automatically because of your race and/or background. People will want to govern you like kindergarteners instead of hardworking adults who pay taxes, and people will always see a,minor disagreement of ideology as a major crisis.
Ultimately.....all you can do is just put in time until you croak.
Most Liberals....aren't.
Averageman
04-25-17, 10:49
Most Liberals....aren't.
Truth !
Liberals are the least tolerant group and on the face of the planet. There are two types of liberals. Those ignorant of the evils of liberalism and those that are evil.
I'm not in anyway envious of those monsters protesting at Berkeley. They are merely useful idiots. They are the modern incarnation of Germany's black shirts. Their strings are pulled by very evil people.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
04-25-17, 12:37
Liberals are dead. Progressive in liberals clothing are all we have left.
Liberals are the least tolerant group and on the face of the planet. There are two types of liberals. Those ignorant of the evils of liberalism and those that are evil.
I'm not in anyway envious of those monsters protesting at Berkeley. They are merely useful idiots. They are the modern incarnation of Germany's black shirts. Their strings are pulled by very evil people.
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This. Your last line is what unsettles me the most about these people...the puppet masters are hard at work, and the masses are fighting over pet causes while remaining blind to what is really happening here.
platoonDaddy
04-26-17, 07:53
Bitch speaking with fork tongue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PevGWvB7Z_s&feature=youtu.be
This. Your last line is what unsettles me the most about these people...the puppet masters are hard at work, and the masses are fighting over pet causes while remaining blind to what is really happening here.
So what is really happening here then? You don't think that these libtard radicals believe in the shit they spew? Or are you saying they're just misguided kids who are being manipulated by some Wizard of Oz behind the curtain?
Really, there is no grand conspiracy. Sometimes things are as they appear. Sure, some Soros funding is no doubt being thrown about, but don't for one minute think that these are just impressionable yutes who really aren't that bad. They are die-hard, dyed-in-the-wool libtard radicals. They actually ARE what they appear to be.
Screw both of them.
The fact that he punched her, doesn't bother me a bit, but I cant help but noticing him scampering away like a little girl afterwords - 1:03ish on the film.
Don't forget this 'he came across a cab driver, put a gun to his head and robbed the man of $43, the court records show.'
They are both oxygen thieves, why are we wasting time worrying about her (or his) perceptions of the event? Just saying neither side of the fracas is interested in getting the truth out.
So what is really happening here then? You don't think that these libtard radicals believe in the shit they spew? Or are you saying they're just misguided kids who are being manipulated by some Wizard of Oz behind the curtain?
Really, there is no grand conspiracy. Sometimes things are as they appear. Sure, some Soros funding is no doubt being thrown about, but don't for one minute think that these are just impressionable yutes who really aren't that bad. They are die-hard, dyed-in-the-wool libtard radicals. They actually ARE what they appear to be.
These people are EXACTLY like Lenin's useful idiots. They are individuals who lack critical thinking skills, have little to no real life experience and are easy to manipulate. Some may go further on the psychopathy towards full blown indoctrination.
The non indoctrinated variety will often regret their actions after the fact. The whole I didn't think it would be like this syndrome. Fact is they just didn't think. I saw this quite a bit back in Romania. People's grand parents and such who were all gung ho about Socialism living a life of regret seeing their lives ruined, their kids lives ruined... Lots of drinking, lots of suicide. The ones who survived the purges anyway. The rest were seen as threats for the exact reason they were useful- easy to manipulate and now regretful. I'd wager there are just as many hammer and sickle flag wavers buried in nondescript fields as others.
Averageman
04-26-17, 13:18
All of this only reaffirms my belief that these folks on both sides of this issue are a collection of F'ing idiots.
I don't want to confront these idiots on the left side, but neither do I want the others (right side?) to say they are commited to protecting my "rights".
It's an equally matched group of ignorant attention whores in a slap fight.
In the end it will amount to little or nothing except fines, charges and sentences.
These people are EXACTLY like Lenin's useful idiots. They are individuals who lack critical thinking skills, have little to no real life experience and are easy to manipulate. Some may go further on the psychopathy towards full blown indoctrination.
The non indoctrinated variety will often regret their actions after the fact. The whole I didn't think it would be like this syndrome. Fact is they just didn't think. I saw this quite a bit back in Romania. People's grand parents and such who were all gung ho about Socialism living a life of regret seeing their lives ruined, their kids lives ruined... Lots of drinking, lots of suicide. The ones who survived the purges anyway. The rest were seen as threats for the exact reason they were useful- easy to manipulate and now regretful. I'd wager there are just as many hammer and sickle flag wavers buried in nondescript fields as others.
I'm sure there are.
If a dog bites you, does it matter how it was brought up or treated? Does any poor treatment erase the bleeding bite? No, it doesn't. I still stand by the fact that these "kids" know damn well what they're doing and I'll not excuse them because of "inexperience". Do we excuse murderers in their 40's who "regret" the act but who committed the crime at 18? No, we don't. Too extreme? Okay, try this one: would you blame a Vietnam vet who was spat upon by some hippy f**k in 1969 if he told that same hippy to eat shit today, even though that hippy is probably pushing 70 now and much "wiser"? I know I wouldn't blame him.
You can't undo some things. Holding radical views is one thing, as long as they weren't acted out on. However, if they were and injury/property damage was the result then that is one of those things that can't be undone.
I'm not the forgiving type. Oh well.
All of this only reaffirms my belief that these folks on both sides of this issue are a collection of F'ing idiots.
I don't want to confront these idiots on the left side, but neither do I want the others (right side?) to say they are commited to protecting my "rights".
It's an equally matched group of ignorant attention whores in a slap fight.
In the end it will amount to little or nothing except fines, charges and sentences.
While I can speak for myself if necessary, the Neo-Nazi/Klan/White Supremacists don't speak for me. Some Tea Party types or just plain-old conservatives? Sure, they can represent my side, as I ascribe to those views.
Averageman
04-26-17, 14:18
I would guess the Conservative and Tea Party types are more willing to discuss and find solutions that would be less violent and more likely productive than the "Take it to the Streets" types depicted here.
If the only answer to the problem is violence, I'm pretty sure that these folks will eventually find some folks a bit more proficient at street fighting than these folks seem to be.
That eventuality does nothing but insure "we" are depicted as violent facisits rather than civil Patriots trying to find a peaceful solution.
So what is really happening here then? You don't think that these libtard radicals believe in the shit they spew? Or are you saying they're just misguided kids who are being manipulated by some Wizard of Oz behind the curtain?
Really, there is no grand conspiracy. Sometimes things are as they appear. Sure, some Soros funding is no doubt being thrown about, but don't for one minute think that these are just impressionable yutes who really aren't that bad. They are die-hard, dyed-in-the-wool libtard radicals. They actually ARE what they appear to be.
IMO, what is happening here is social engineering. Social media feeds can be such a catlyst for action that a few choice words tweeted at the right time can prompt a desired response. Maybe not a predicatble, specific out come, but more of a dynamic wave that can be guided in a general direction. Small nudges are all it takes.
Some what off topic but chew on this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-ill-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-for-free-2016-2
Moose-Knuckle
04-28-17, 04:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3XT2P2ciUo
Bill Maher defends Ann Coulter in Berkeley free-speech fight
"Berkeley, you know, used to be the cradle of free speech," Maher said Friday on his HBO show "Real Time" during an exchange with conservative commentator S.E. Cupp. "And now it's just the cradle for f—king babies," he added.
"They invite someone to speak whose not exactly what liberals want to hear and they want to shutter it," Maher said. "I feel like this is the liberal's version of book burning. And it's got to stop."
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/04/22/bill-maher-defends-ann-coulter-in-berkeley-free-speech-fight.html
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2844/34158886162_bca6f2465f_b.jpg
ahhahaahh OK and global warming is real :) the left cant stop lying and lying and lying and then believing there lies !!
Bitch speaking with fork tongue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PevGWvB7Z_s&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3XT2P2ciUo
Bill Maher defends Ann Coulter in Berkeley free-speech fight
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/04/22/bill-maher-defends-ann-coulter-in-berkeley-free-speech-fight.html
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2844/34158886162_bca6f2465f_b.jpg
Exactly why the conservatives should never engage these ANTIFA asshats head on. Even their own guys hate them. Defend yourself from aggression, but in general let them burn and pillage their liberal cities to the ground. They are their own enemies.
I hate to counter-signal you, but Antifa are not Fascists, as the Ben Garrison cartoon suggests.
They are Communists.
There is a difference.
Communism is the most violent, destructive and murderous ideology in the history of humanity. In the 20th Century alone, its adherents have murdered more people than anyone can hold a candle to.
Fascism does not even come close.
Fascism is the polar opposite of Communism.
Calling Communists Fascists is factually incorrect, and it also lets Communism off the hook for its crimes.
We must name the culprit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3XT2P2ciUo
Bill Maher defends Ann Coulter in Berkeley free-speech fight
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/04/22/bill-maher-defends-ann-coulter-in-berkeley-free-speech-fight.html
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2844/34158886162_bca6f2465f_b.jpg
ahhahaahh OK and global warming is real :) the left cant stop lying and lying and lying and then believing there lies !!
Global warming a lot realer than her version of the event which lucky for us, filmed close up and easy to see she's a delusional idiot. Bottle in her hand clearly to have a drink of vino while innocently watching the peaceful rally.
I hate to counter-signal you, but Antifa are not Fascists, as the Ben Garrison cartoon suggests.
They are Communists.
While that was true historically, and still probably true outside the US, the US flavor seems to be primarily anarchist lately and they talk disparagingly about the "Trotskyists" and other Communist flavors.
Specifically, the Berkely crew responsible for the recent events is majority anarchist in nature, with a very clear doctrine.
Short version: any hierarchy is bad, egalitarian syndicates of free association are the only allowed structure.
Given Antifa's long ties to communism/socialism it makes me wonder if the anarchists have hijacked their movement
While that was true historically, and still probably true outside the US, the US flavor seems to be primarily anarchist lately and they talk disparagingly about the "Trotskyists" and other Communist flavors.
Specifically, the Berkely crew responsible for the recent events is majority anarchist in nature, with a very clear doctrine.
Short version: any hierarchy is bad, egalitarian syndicates of free association are the only allowed structure.
Given Antifa's long ties to communism/socialism it makes me wonder if the anarchists have hijacked their movement
Antifa are not Anarchists.
If they were, they would be protesting Obama, Hillary, etc.
They only protest anyone who is advocating for one of the following:
- the survival of the White race
- national sovereignty of predominantly White nations
- the existence of borders
Antifa are foot soldiers for the hybrid monster of Communism and the Globalist Crony Capitalist Establishment (e.g. Soros).
I'll let the reader connect the dots between these two supposedly opposing ideologies. It isn't hard.
Antifa are not Anarchists.
If they were, they would be protesting Obama, Hillary, etc.
I don't disagree with your comments relative to the broader Antifa history and international movement.
But based on reading quite a bit of dialog/debates by Antifa members on the fabulous public forums, it appears that a majority of the antifa crowd at Berkeley are dogmatic anarchists. And some indications of the same in other areas. (I've only looked into the postings nationally and in the SE.)
Many of the players are known by name, have published or documented viewpoints. They view the Trotskiests (communists) as weak, misguided sisters.
My learning was that Antifa in the US is more of a protest tactic ("squadding", direct action at rallies) than it is tied to a single political belief like it used to be.
Yes, all with a hatred of the "Fascists" which is largely anyone to the right of them. Which would include Hillary... They hate her as the lesser Satan, so to speak.
They still use the term brigader (from Red Brigade), but it's shifted in meaning to apply to one who does red brigade type violent protests rather than being a Marxist/Lenninist belief system.
There are 100% confirmed anarchists which are active, well known Antifa members that call themselves brigader, and hate communism as much as capitalism.
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Moose-Knuckle
05-01-17, 03:59
I hate to counter-signal you, but Antifa are not Fascists, as the Ben Garrison cartoon suggests.
They are Communists.
While I agree with you, political cartoons are open to interpretation.
The way I interpreted the Antifa goon depicted as a swastika is that they label anyone of differing political views as "Nazis" all the while being the 21st century embodiment of the Sturmabteilung, aka "Brownshirts".
While I agree with you, political cartoons are open to interpretation.
The way I interpreted the Antifa goon depicted as a swastika is that they label anyone of differing political views as "Nazis" all the while being the 21st century embodiment of the Sturmabteilung, aka "Brownshirts".
Words have meanings though.
Communist ought to be a far dirtier word than Fascist.
The former is infinitely more criminal, pervasive and disgusting.
Fascism is the only antidote against Communism.
Words have meanings though.
Communist ought to be a far dirtier word than Fascist.
The former is infinitely more criminal, pervasive and disgusting.
Fascism is the only antidote against Communism.
By all means start goose-stepping
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Words have meanings though.
Communist ought to be a far dirtier word than Fascist.
The former is infinitely more criminal, pervasive and disgusting.
Fascism is the only antidote against Communism.
What??? Fascism is a form of socialism, and is as bad or worse than communism. Yes, Stalin killed a lot more people than Hitler, but they are equally evil in my book.
What??? Fascism is a form of socialism, and is as bad or worse than communism. Yes, Stalin killed a lot more people than Hitler, but they are equally evil in my book.
No.
They are both not individualist, but fascism is definitely not a subset of socialism, not vice versa.
What??? Fascism is a form of socialism, and is as bad or worse than communism. Yes, Stalin killed a lot more people than Hitler, but they are equally evil in my book.
Don't you just love it when M4C members start to do their little dance around white nationalism, neo-nazism, etc. You know, because they couldn't keep up with the pace at Stormfront.
They won't come out and say it directly. Instead, they just skirt the edges of passive support with stuff like, "Facism is the antidote for communism."
No Einstein, Representative Republicanism is the antidote for communism.
Don't you just love it when M4C members start to do their little dance around white nationalism, neo-nazism, etc. You know, because they couldn't keep up with the pace at Stormfront.
They won't come out and say it directly. Instead, they just skirt the edges of passive support with stuff like, "Facism is the antidote for communism."
No Einstein, Representative Republicanism is the antidote for communism.
Newflash:
The Founding Fathers were White Nationalists.
Look at the Constitution, their personal writings and lives.
http://www.radixjournal.com/the-red-pill/2016/7/26/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race
Representative Republicanism, as they explicitly and implicitly understood it, is indistinguishable from what is today is called White Nationalism.
Representative Republicanism of today is Progressivism a decade or two behind what the Left is pushing.
I think that the goal of the elite is to overwhelm all our current civil systems (national security, health care, etc.) in order for the majority of people to get pushed to the brink so that they end up demanding more control by the government in order to "solve" all of society's problems at the expense of their freedom. The ultimate goal is control. The Earth is a space ship with dwindling resources and the elite want to ensure their survival at the expense of everyone else.
hahhaahahahahah OK please tell me this was a joke on your part :)
lets read a article from a white nationalist who wants to change history to his side !
this is kinda like pointing to a article written by some far lefty about how the republicans created the KKK and the democrats are on the side of blacks and minorities etc...
hahahhhahahahahah OH funny
most agree the far sides of our society are the fringe wackos
first registered slave owner was black ! many blacks owned slaves ! the US was one of the smaller slave countries unlike Central and South America and of course the largest and still is today the middle east !
and the actual % of slave owners in the US was very small !!!!! but the left likes to paint it as everyone white owned slaves ! and they ignore the white slaves and the black slave owners !
Newflash:
The Founding Fathers were White Nationalists.
Look at the Constitution, their personal writings and lives.
http://www.radixjournal.com/the-red-pill/2016/7/26/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race
Representative Republicanism, as they explicitly and implicitly understood it, is indistinguishable from what is today is called White Nationalism.
Representative Republicanism of today is Progressivism a decade or two behind what the Left is pushing.
Fascism and White Nationalism huh?
Naw. No thanks.
I sometimes think in another life, I could be a bleeding heart liberal. In some ways I am jealous of at least the intention.
But I draw from the teachings of Buddhist Philosopher Ollie Joe Prater, "They put me in jail! I was suddenly in the minority. There wasn't gonna be no White Supremacist bullshit that night!"
hahhaahahahahah OK please tell me this was a joke on your part :)
lets read a article from a white nationalist who wants to change history to his side !
this is kinda like pointing to a article written by some far lefty about how the republicans created the KKK and the democrats are on the side of blacks and minorities etc...
hahahhhahahahahah OH funny
most agree the far sides of our society are the fringe wackos
first registered slave owner was black ! many blacks owned slaves ! the US was one of the smaller slave countries unlike Central and South America and of course the largest and still is today the middle east !
and the actual % of slave owners in the US was very small !!!!! but the left likes to paint it as everyone white owned slaves ! and they ignore the white slaves and the black slave owners !
I don't see any facts being refuted.
Just ad hominems and red herrings.
If you don't think the Founding Fathers wanted a nation for White Europeans, you are flat out wrong.
% of slave owners is completely beside the point and irrelevant. Nobody is even arguing for slavery, so just stop it. Yes, I am fully aware of the Barbary slave trade, Muslim slavers, etc. etc. No argument there,, but we're talking about something else.
The Founding Fathers were who they were. They were by today's Bolshevik standards "racist" (term coined by Lev Davidovich Bronstein - some know him by his crypto alias Leon Trotsky).
If you want to disavow them, go ahead, but you cannot have it both ways.
Either embrace it or reject it.
Outlander Systems
05-07-17, 14:29
Benito,
It's not an either-or thing.
I interact with white folks on a daily basis that are so culturally different from myself they might as well be Europeans.
I am; however, all for an American Nationalist, Constitutional Republic, with a Bill of Rights. That would be really cool.
Newflash:
The Founding Fathers were White Nationalists.
Look at the Constitution, their personal writings and lives.
http://www.radixjournal.com/the-red-pill/2016/7/26/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race
Representative Republicanism, as they explicitly and implicitly understood it, is indistinguishable from what is today is called White Nationalism.
Representative Republicanism of today is Progressivism a decade or two behind what the Left is pushing.
You are a very naive, ignorant individual. I recommend that you close your mouth and open your eyes before you start pushing unfounded propaganda from hateful pieces of filth.
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MountainRaven
05-07-17, 14:59
I'd file, "White Nationalist Founders," somewhere around, "the Second Amendment only applies to muskets," and, "rape is a property crime."
proof haahahaha OK yours is a article written by a white nationalist how the fathers were WHITE nationalists :)
again much like the left and its propaganda
I don't see any facts being refuted.
Just ad hominems and red herrings.
If you don't think the Founding Fathers wanted a nation for White Europeans, you are flat out wrong.
% of slave owners is completely beside the point and irrelevant. Nobody is even arguing for slavery, so just stop it. Yes, I am fully aware of the Barbary slave trade, Muslim slavers, etc. etc. No argument there,, but we're talking about something else.
The Founding Fathers were who they were. They were by today's Bolshevik standards "racist" (term coined by Lev Davidovich Bronstein - some know him by his crypto alias Leon Trotsky).
If you want to disavow them, go ahead, but you cannot have it both ways.
Either embrace it or reject it.
we can thank the democrats and left for screwing our country up :)
I don't see any facts being refuted.
Just ad hominems and red herrings.
If you don't think the Founding Fathers wanted a nation for White Europeans, you are flat out wrong.
% of slave owners is completely beside the point and irrelevant. Nobody is even arguing for slavery, so just stop it. Yes, I am fully aware of the Barbary slave trade, Muslim slavers, etc. etc. No argument there,, but we're talking about something else.
The Founding Fathers were who they were. They were by today's Bolshevik standards "racist" (term coined by Lev Davidovich Bronstein - some know him by his crypto alias Leon Trotsky).
If you want to disavow them, go ahead, but you cannot have it both ways.
Either embrace it or reject it.
Dude....I hate to say it but, stop digging. You're already in China.
Outlander Systems
05-07-17, 18:12
This.
As the Left gets more radical, so too does the Right...
I need to start saving pennies now so I can get in a gated community with Firefly and Euro.
proof haahahaha OK yours is a article written by a white nationalist how the fathers were WHITE nationalists :)
again much like the left and its propaganda
This.
As the Left gets more radical, so too does the Right...
I need to start saving pennies now so I can get in a gated community with Firefly and Euro.
I'm not seeing where the nuts have become any nuttier. Guys like our resident white supremacist have been goose stepping and stiff arm saluting ever since my grandfather greased the treads of his Sherman with German bodies. The only thing that has changed is that the forum now tolerates a guy named "Benito" posting crap about fascism being an antidote and articles glorifying white nationalism.
I don't think we are tolerating it. We need to run asshats like this off.
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Outlander Systems
05-07-17, 19:01
Inarguable.
That said, it seems like both ends of the tyranny spectrum, ie. Fascism/Communism are becoming more "mainstream."
I feel like there's a rolling, bi-monthy, "Battle of Seattle" G20-style riot all the ****ing time now.
I'm not seeing where the nuts have become any nuttier. Guys like our resident white supremacist have been goose stepping and stiff arm saluting ever since my grandfather greased the treads of his Sherman with German bodies. The only thing that has changed is that the forum now tolerates a guy named "Benito" posting crap about fascism being an antidote and articles glorifying white nationalism.
You are a very naive, ignorant individual. I recommend that you close your mouth and open your eyes before you start pushing unfounded propaganda from hateful pieces of filth.
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I'd file, "White Nationalist Founders," somewhere around, "the Second Amendment only applies to muskets," and, "rape is a property crime."
proof haahahaha OK yours is a article written by a white nationalist how the fathers were WHITE nationalists :)
again much like the left and its propaganda
Dude....I hate to say it but, stop digging. You're already in China.
Yep. You're all correct.
That must be why the Founding Fathers were so eager to give non-whites the ability to vote, and were keen on immigration from all over the world.
Thanks for the history lesson!!!
The Founding Fathers were actually way more hardcore than White Nationalists. No White Nationalist thinks that slavery was justified, nor a net positive for the United States.
So, yes, they were not White Nationalists. They were actually White Supremacists, strictly speaking. I'm not judging, but just saying.
Inarguable.
That said, it seems like both ends of the tyranny spectrum, ie. Fascism/Communism are becoming more "mainstream."
I feel like there's a rolling, bi-monthy, "Battle of Seattle" G20-style riot all the ****ing time now.
This. Tgere have always been crazy college kids who take PoliSci 1101, put a Commie flag in their room, and openly read Das Kapital and blast Rage Against The Machine but they were always looked upon as dweebs.
Now it has really gotten out there.
I dont want Fascism nor Communism. Same with guys going on about White Nationalism et al. You can associate with who you want and avoid who you dont like but part of the excitement of the New Millenium was a new opportunity.
I am not a "millenial". Gen Xer. Around 1999 everyone thought things would get better. We were beyond the Cold War and Tiannemen Square. The 20th Century was a bit of a drag in its last three decades. Who remembers watching cartoons and seeing a Special Report and having an "oh shit" moment?
If you told me in 1999 that we would have all the crazy stuff now, out of naivete , I'd have said no way.
The Wall was down, the Russians were broke, and everything seemed headed for a fresh start.
Now I feel like I live in 1917, not 2017. Anarchists, Fascists, Communists, and all that other European bidet using crap we all came to America to get away from.
This.
As the Left gets more radical, so too does the Right...
I need to start saving pennies now so I can get in a gated community with Firefly and Euro.
I'm in!!!
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Outlander Systems
05-07-17, 19:43
Pretty much. I'm a Millenial on a ****ing technicality. Around Y2K I never would have believed we'd be having 20th century problems this deep into the future.
White Nationalism? Out-and-Proud Communists?
All I ever wanted was a hoverboard and video conferencing. Bonus points for a Mr. Fusion and a flash-bake oven.
Somehow "Nationalist" and Nationalism has become a perjorative loaded term.
Meriam-webster:
nationalism noun**na·tion·al·ism*\ˈnash-nə-ˌli-zəm, ˈna-shə-nə-ˌli-zəm\
:*a feeling that people have of being loyal to and proud of their country often with the belief that it is better and more important than other countries
Safe to say the founding fathers were nationalists. And they were white, so in a literal sense they were white nationalists. (Nationalists who were white)
But probably not in the current twisted context, though I suspect they would have aligned more with them than modern views on race.
There was some discussion about race. I think Jefferson stated in the federalist papers that based on the bill of rights, this rights should extend to slaves as well, or at least someone asked the question and it was documented somewhere.
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