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Are all West Coast governmental entities such staunch supporters of the Constitution?
This guy saw a problem with the formulas used to figure the timing of traffic lights. Apparently they haven't changed since the 50's and we have turn lanes as well as right turn on red which were not widespread, or even existed, at the time.
He went about it fairly low-key, advocating for change and, well look:
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/26/oregon-fines-man-500-for-using-math-to-fight-red-light-cameras/
AmeriKa
Once you realize most Judges are pill poppers and raging alcoholics; this all becomes less and less surprising
Averageman
04-26-17, 20:07
Stop and really read this...
Järlström and the Institute for Justice claim these licensing boards violate free speech by fining those who criticize both the boards and the government agencies behind things like traffic cameras. A lawyer for the Institute for Justice makes the point that you don't need to be a licensed lawyer to write an article disagreeing with a Supreme Court decision. Free speech, whether used to challenge Supreme Court decisions or traffic cameras, is a fundamental freedom granted by US Constitution.
And it's also no stretch to say that using mathematics is a fundamental human right - part of what actually makes us human. No law can take away our math.
That's sad and scary as hell...
He was found guilty because?
The state of Oregon claimed he was fined for claiming to be an engineer. He is a degreed electrical engineer, but not licensed.
The real issue is, traffic lights are not timed for safety or to facilitate the flow of traffic. They are timed so the cameras will pay for themselves in fines and start turning a profit for the municipalities that install them. That's how traffic light camera companies got municipalities to buy them in the first place
SomeOtherGuy
04-26-17, 20:42
In Socialist utopia, everything is a crime!
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=everything+is+a+crime&t=ffsb&ia=web
Once you realize most Judges are pill poppers and raging alcoholics; this all becomes less and less surprising
I continue to thoroughly live the sentiment of this statement.
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The state of Oregon claimed he was fined for claiming to be an engineer. He is a degreed electrical engineer, but not licensed.
I can claim to be a brain surgeon as long as I don't do anything to further the claim such as make appointments, diagnose, perform brain surgery, or take money. He did nothing, except math, to function as an engineer. What he did doesn't even qualify as stolen engineer valor.
The real issue is, traffic lights are not fined for safety or to facilitate the flow of traffic. They are timed so the cameras will pay for themselves in fines and start turning a profit for the municipalities that install them. That's how traffic light camera companies got municipalities to buy them in the first place
It gets worse - the traffic cameras are generally not bought, they are leased/contracted and the traffic cam companies, in some cases, actually take care of printing and mailing the cites. Of course they are non-profit companies and take only enough to cover operating expenses :sarcasm:
My son did research on the subject and discovered that the accident rate went up at intersections with traffic light cameras
Eurodriver
04-27-17, 05:07
Florida is close to banning these things less than a decade after permitting them.
People getting tickets for doing 96mph in right turn on reds, increases in rear end accidents, and now that people know where the cameras are revenues went down and they're no longer profitable.
Outlander Systems
04-27-17, 07:09
True Anecdote:
In one particular part of Georgia, the traffic camera company negotiated a deal with the county to install the cameras under the auspices of being able to collect the citation fines for the first two years post-install. At which point, the county would take over collection of the camera fines after the 24 months were up.
Whelp, wouldn't you know it, the 24mo failure rate of the devices was over 50%...
Bent. Over. The. Barrel.
So "The State" fined him for not being a 'real' engineer (i.e., not holding a license). If "The State" says it, it must be true. So glad to know "The State" is keeping the good people of Oregon safe from those unlicensed engineers!
Oregon is weird. You can't pump you own gas or get a hamburger cooked medium unless they have changed the law since I was there last.
This article about red light cameras is great:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/op-ed-how-i-turned-a-traffic-ticket-into-the-constitutional-trial-of-the-century/
"I alluded to Hobbes and Locke. I quoted the Declaration of Independence. I suggested the success of the American experiment was at stake. I resorted to superlatives. You know: all the stuff I teach my law students never to do."
On the topic of math, that's BS. I can see fining someone for, say, claiming to be a licensed electrical engineer and then designing some high voltage thing. But for just using math? He needs to appeal that.
This article about red light cameras is great:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/op-ed-how-i-turned-a-traffic-ticket-into-the-constitutional-trial-of-the-century/
I thought this set the tone: (For the record, the Montgomery City Attorney never studied law with me.)
Some of the problem is mindless minions doing what they think is their job without a thought as to the ethical ramifications. Most of the problem is folks with an over-inflated sense of power.
I thought this set the tone: (For the record, the Montgomery City Attorney never studied law with me.)
Some of the problem is mindless minions doing what they think is their job without a thought as to the ethical ramifications. Most of the problem is folks with an over-inflated sense of power.
To slightly misquote a great man:
"Your [lawmakers] were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
This article about red light cameras is great:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/op-ed-how-i-turned-a-traffic-ticket-into-the-constitutional-trial-of-the-century/
"I alluded to Hobbes and Locke. I quoted the Declaration of Independence. I suggested the success of the American experiment was at stake. I resorted to superlatives. You know: all the stuff I teach my law students never to do."
On the topic of math, that's BS. I can see fining someone for, say, claiming to be a licensed electrical engineer and then designing some high voltage thing. But for just using math? He needs to appeal that.
Did you miss the part where he filed a lawsuit?
Did you miss the part where he filed a lawsuit?
I obviously did.
Years ago I gassed up in PDX, knowing of course that self-service was verboten. Naturally I had to make a smart-ass comment at the counter. They had NO sense of humor at all.
But then if I had to live in that shitty climate under a leftist regime, I wouldn't either.
polydeuces
04-27-17, 17:54
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Some of the problem is mindless minions doing what they think is their job without a thought as to the ethical ramifications. Most of the problem is folks with an over-inflated sense of power.
Theres a real term for that.
Dunning-Kruger effect.
Running rampant in todays society.
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