View Full Version : New Jersey sues Sig Sauer
An interesting development.
New Jersey sues Sig Sauer for selling State Police defective handguns
ig Sauer, one of the largest firearm contractors in the world, has been named in a $2.5 million lawsuit alleging the New Hampshire gun maker sold the New Jersey State Police defective duty pistols and then failed to rectify the problem.
Represented by New Jersey’s attorney general, the lawsuit argues Sig breached a contract to supply 3,000 handguns to State Police, but “the weapons had a serious malfunction” that was not adequately fixed.
According to the complaint filed in late April, uncovered by The Trace, the gun maker filled the contract in September 2014, but when Troopers used the new P229 pistols during a qualification session, they experienced “Failure to Extract” malfunctions. This type of malfunction means “the weapons failed to eject the spent shell casing from the barrel after being fired, causing the next cartridge to become jammed behind the casing, and resulting in an inability to continue firing the weapon.”
Cont:
http://www.guns.com/2017/05/18/new-jersey-state-police-sue-sig-over-pistol-defect/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=591dc50404d30107c531a283&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Guess some of that DOD $$ will be going to settle this mess. Ouch!
Guess they should have bought a Glock......... People always have to learn the hard way. I guess that is more fun or something. ;)
Some town departments in NJ also use Sigs. Wonder if they got broken guns or only the NJSP. My town uses Sigs, the adjacent towns use M&P 45s and Glocks. It's all over the board here.
It makes me wonder if this is a training issue. 3,000 P229s failing to extract? No. This is probably new officers shooting with their thumbs on the slide or slide catch. I've seen it more than once...
With duty ammo I wonder?
We just went through and swapped all the slides on our 229s due to failures of the firing pin position roll pins. Sig made good on it and replaced all our slides with new assemblies using the solid firing position pins.
Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk
It makes me wonder if this is a training issue. 3,000 P229s failing to extract? No. This is probably new officers shooting with their thumbs on the slide or slide catch. I've seen it more than once...
How exactly does shooting with the thumbs on the slide catch affect extraction?
The article mentions a long series of swapping parts, barrels, extractor springs, even guns....zero mention that I saw of ammo. Seems like that might be slightly relevant...
Jim Cirillo would probably suggest that they quit screwing around and issue each trooper TWO Model 10 Smiths and be done with it.
Limp wristing... duh....
I jokes...
How exactly does shooting with the thumbs on the slide catch affect extraction?
If there is enough upward pressure it will slow the slide down
How exactly does shooting with the thumbs on the slide catch affect extraction?
Slows slide velocity. I've seen it happen, too.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Have any other agencies had similar issues with the Sig Sauer P229?
sevenhelmet
05-18-17, 19:25
f$%^ New Jersey. I hope Sig wipes the floor with them.
How exactly does shooting with the thumbs on the slide catch affect extraction?
Slows slide velocity. I've seen it happen, too.
Not nearly to the extent commonly thought, especially on a full size pistol with full powered ammunition.
According to the complaint filed in late April, uncovered by The Trace, the gun maker filled the contract in September 2014, but when Troopers used the new P229 pistols during a qualification session, they experienced “Failure to Extract” malfunctions. This type of malfunction means “the weapons failed to eject the spent shell casing from the barrel after being fired, causing the next cartridge to become jammed behind the casing, and resulting in an inability to continue firing the weapon.”
Cont:
http://www.guns.com/2017/05/18/new-jersey-state-police-sue-sig-over-pistol-defect/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=591dc50404d30107c531a283&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
And also from ~2014 guns:
SIG P226 .357 SIG QC issues for our HP
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?157197-SIG-P226-357-SIG-QC-issues-for-our-HP
Not nearly to the extent commonly thought, especially on a full size pistol with full powered ammunition.
And also from ~2014 guns:
SIG P226 .357 SIG QC issues for our HP
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?157197-SIG-P226-357-SIG-QC-issues-for-our-HP
What do you mean? When it slows it enough to cause failures, its slowing it too much.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
^^^^^^ This is not confidence inspiring. I believe I will hold off on the purchase of a P229.
davidjinks
05-19-17, 20:32
They did buy Glocks.
A close friend of mine is NJSP. He was not happy with his P229 duty weapon because of the failures they were having. I consider him to be fairly educated on firearms and their usage.
Guess they should have bought a Glock......... People always have to learn the hard way. I guess that is more fun or something. ;)
Crow Hunter
05-19-17, 21:19
They did buy Glocks.
A close friend of mine is NJSP. He was not happy with his P229 duty weapon because of the failures they were having. I consider him to be fairly educated on firearms and their usage.
How did that work out for them? Which model/gen did they wind up with?
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.