View Full Version : Weak men more likely to be socialists, study claims
Do you even lift bro? :cool:
The media is using the headlines "Weak men more likely to be socialists" but the study of course positions it as "Muscular men less likely to support social and economic equality"
Media:
Study: Physically weak men more likely to be socialist, strong men more likely to be capitalist
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/25/study-physically-weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialist-strong-men-more-likely-to-be-capitalist/
Study discussion:
http://www.brunel.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/articles/Muscular-men-less-likely-to-support-social-and-economic-equality-study-suggests
Or could it be that Socialists are more likely to be weak men?
This in a nutshell says it for me:
They also noted the amount of time each individual spent at a gym, and examined these variables in light of whether they subscribed more to capitalist or socialist ideologies. They found that the more physically strong the men were, the less they believed in socialist policies, and the more they believed certain social groups should be dominant.
Dr. Kenneth Cooper (remember him) once said something along the line of 'if you do aerobic exercise for more than 20 minutes a day you are doing it for something other than cardiovascular health.' I suppose you could make the same analogy regarding strength training.
Of course all individual forms of physical exercise not involved with manual labor could be defined as egocentric so it follows that folks who indulge in non-work related exercise to increase prowess, whether it be
running, lifting, etc., are somewhat self-absorbed and would be more likely to want to gather in riches for themselves. Double that it you look at yourself in store windows as you run, or exercise in front of a mirror.
There you go, that is as sweeping a generalization as the article.
Apparently they didn't measure bicep size on the Amish farmers in my area, those boys are farm boy stout, and, overall, fairly socialist trending.
It's a lifestyle. You either believe you control your destiny, and inspire yourself...
Or you just float through life, like a drowning fly floating down a stream.
Averageman
05-26-17, 12:00
Socialism promotes the "We all get a trophy agenda" that has been going on for years. Weak people with no moral fiber hide behind and thrive in it.
We live in a society that promotes effeminate men who hide behind loop holes in laws, regulations and societal norms while tearing down the fabric of our society.
That Trump cannot even regulate who is coming in to this country from terrorist hubs is because that is not politically "correct" speaks volumes. The virtually unnamed and unknown "Judges" will not be there when the violence they allowed to occur in our country equals blood in the streets.
The "Judicial Branch" of appointed liberal Judges who Obama put in to the system to fight necessary and logical changes to out immigration system that will keep us safe and promote American Excellence.
They will hide behind jurist prudence, theory and political correctness while those who are willing to defend our country step up again to clean up the mess they have created.
It's not America or Americans, our POTUS, it is a system we must fight to make right.
Working out is... you guessed it... WORK!
They don't want to work, so they are girliemen.
Averageman
05-26-17, 12:23
Here is the Ultimate Insult...
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/26/pentagon-investigating-reports-astronaut-john-glenns-remains-disrespected/22111245/
John Glenn was a decorated Marine, respected senator and history-making astronaut. Now the Pentagon is investigating whether his body may have been disrespected before his burial.
A high-ranking employee at the Dover Air Force Base may have offered to show Glenn's body to others, according to the Military Times, which obtained a memo showing that the Defense Department is investigating the "clearly inappropriate and personally shocking" incident.
http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/john-glenn-body-disrespected-air-force-mortuary
A senior mortuary employee at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware twice offered horrified inspectors a peek at American icon John Glenn's dead body while the famed astronaut awaited burial earlier this year, according to an internal memo obtained by Military Times.
The disturbing allegation has outraged Pentagon officials and sparked a top-level investigation to determine whether misconduct was committed. The memo, written by Deborah Skillman, the Defense Department's director of casualty and mortuary affairs, states the employee's alleged actions were "clearly inappropriate and personally shocking.” The document is dated May 11.
The "Left" doesn't respect anyone...
The voting box is a Rorschash inkblot, an open space that people interpret and make use of in their own way.
For some people a ballot box is a means of controlling ones political masters.
For others it is a way of appointing masters who will control and steal from others on their behalf.
Averageman
05-26-17, 12:34
If they are not willing to put forth the effort to promote themselves to do better, should we listen to their angry cries when they are not equal to those that do?
sevenhelmet
05-26-17, 14:50
If they are not willing to put forth the effort to promote themselves to do better, should we listen to their angry cries when they are not equal to those that do?
I don't.
titsonritz
05-26-17, 15:02
Makes sense to me.
Moose-Knuckle
05-27-17, 05:19
Nobody?
Really?
Guess you all forgot about Obamacare's poster boy, Ethan Krupp better known as "pajama boy".
In 2013 one of the Community Organizer In Chief's fronts, Organizing For Action (OFA) ran a public campaign championing socialized medicine. Pajama boy at the time was an employee of OFA. On his own Twitter feed Obama posted the following:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4224/34534595040_4d671766e9_b.jpg
And the rest is internet meme history . . .
Here is the Ultimate Insult...
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/26/pentagon-investigating-reports-astronaut-john-glenns-remains-disrespected/22111245/
John Glenn was a decorated Marine, respected senator and history-making astronaut. Now the Pentagon is investigating whether his body may have been disrespected before his burial.
A high-ranking employee at the Dover Air Force Base may have offered to show Glenn's body to others, according to the Military Times, which obtained a memo showing that the Defense Department is investigating the "clearly inappropriate and personally shocking" incident.
http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/john-glenn-body-disrespected-air-force-mortuary
A senior mortuary employee at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware twice offered horrified inspectors a peek at American icon John Glenn's dead body while the famed astronaut awaited burial earlier this year, according to an internal memo obtained by Military Times.
The disturbing allegation has outraged Pentagon officials and sparked a top-level investigation to determine whether misconduct was committed. The memo, written by Deborah Skillman, the Defense Department's director of casualty and mortuary affairs, states the employee's alleged actions were "clearly inappropriate and personally shocking.” The document is dated May 11.
The "Left" doesn't respect anyone...
Ummm, what?
I think the only politics that are known to the public in that case belonged to the deceased. Oh, and apparently this will seem crazy but he was a Democrat.
Averageman
05-27-17, 19:56
Ummm, what?
I think the only politics that are known to the public in that case belonged to the deceased. Oh, and apparently this will seem crazy but he was a Democrat.
My point, though perhaps not well expressed was;
One of the greatest no BS Authentic Hero's of our time cannot be given the respect necessary to be laid to rest with dignity.
Someone, most likely a weak punk had to disrespect him and do so when he could no longer defend his dignity.
Weak shit, from weak men.
This in a nutshell says it for me:
They also noted the amount of time each individual spent at a gym, and examined these variables in light of whether they subscribed more to capitalist or socialist ideologies. They found that the more physically strong the men were, the less they believed in socialist policies, and the more they believed certain social groups should be dominant.
Dr. Kenneth Cooper (remember him) once said something along the line of 'if you do aerobic exercise for more than 20 minutes a day you are doing it for something other than cardiovascular health.' I suppose you could make the same analogy regarding strength training.
Of course all individual forms of physical exercise not involved with manual labor could be defined as egocentric so it follows that folks who indulge in non-work related exercise to increase prowess, whether it be
running, lifting, etc., are somewhat self-absorbed and would be more likely to want to gather in riches for themselves. Double that it you look at yourself in store windows as you run, or exercise in front of a mirror.
There you go, that is as sweeping a generalization as the article.
Apparently they didn't measure bicep size on the Amish farmers in my area, those boys are farm boy stout, and, overall, fairly socialist trending.
Respectfully disagree. Here's how I see it: someone who works out regularly, above and beyond his normal workday, pushes himself when he doesn't have to. Perhaps they hold others to that same "above and beyond" standard? Which of course would rule out socialism. Sure, a bit of disdain for the unmotivated can occur (God knows I'm guilty of it myself), but overall a higher standard is applied across the board.
Oh, the Amish are an outlier. Their entire social structure is of a communal paradigm. Not knocking them but they aren't reflective of American society. In fact, the hard work ethic of the Amish would certainly not apply to socialists in this country!
Respectfully disagree. Here's how I see it: someone who works out regularly, above and beyond his normal workday, pushes himself when he doesn't have to. Perhaps they hold others to that same "above and beyond" standard? Which of course would rule out socialism. Sure, a bit of disdain for the unmotivated can occur (God knows I'm guilty of it myself), but overall a higher standard is applied across the board.
Oh, the Amish are an outlier. Their entire social structure is of a communal paradigm. Not knocking them but they aren't reflective of American society. In fact, the hard work ethic of the Amish would certainly not apply to socialists in this country!
I get what you are saying on both accounts, but, also respectfully disagree on a couple of points.
First, you make the broad assumption that all socialists are lazy, have no pride and won't push themselves. This is just as incorrect as my assumption that everyone who lifts in front of mirrors ought to have an endless loop of 'Your So Vain' playing through their earbuds. Case in point, my Pastor, who is young and obviously embraces the whole Mennonite Peace Church concept since he is a Mennonite Pastor, is very socially left, yet he lifts like a fiend and runs 10K's.
Second, I believe you missed the point of this statement, Dr. Kenneth Cooper (remember him) once said something along the line of 'if you do aerobic exercise for more than 20 minutes a day you are doing it for something other than cardiovascular health.' I suppose you could make the same analogy regarding strength training. And therefore didn't take this statement in context all individual forms of physical exercise not involved with manual labor could be defined as egocentric.
My point being, outside of working, if you are in the gym it is for a couple reasons related to self - self-health (egocentric) self-image (egocentric) if you carry it further than just general workouts and alter your diet by taking supplements, etc. You are doing it for something beyond just fitness, again egocentric.
I thought this: There you go, that is as sweeping a generalization as the article would point out I was kind of going tongue-in-cheek, and basically thought the article was bullshit.
...First, you make the broad assumption that all socialists are lazy, have no pride and won't push themselves...
As grandma said, "Of course I pre-judge people. It saves time."
We always think of the "other group"--whether it's the Irish, blacks, the poor--in this way. It's how we humans roll.
It saves time if I don't have to listen to the opinions of lazy/stupid/effeminate/whatever people.
I get what you are saying on both accounts, but, also respectfully disagree on a couple of points.
First, you make the broad assumption that all socialists are lazy, have no pride and won't push themselves. This is just as incorrect as my assumption that everyone who lifts in front of mirrors ought to have an endless loop of 'Your So Vain' playing through their earbuds. Case in point, my Pastor, who is young and obviously embraces the whole Mennonite Peace Church concept since he is a Mennonite Pastor, is very socially left, yet he lifts like a fiend and runs 10K's.
Second, I believe you missed the point of this statement, Dr. Kenneth Cooper (remember him) once said something along the line of 'if you do aerobic exercise for more than 20 minutes a day you are doing it for something other than cardiovascular health.' I suppose you could make the same analogy regarding strength training. And therefore didn't take this statement in context all individual forms of physical exercise not involved with manual labor could be defined as egocentric.
My point being, outside of working, if you are in the gym it is for a couple reasons related to self - self-health (egocentric) self-image (egocentric) if you carry it further than just general workouts and alter your diet by taking supplements, etc. You are doing it for something beyond just fitness, again egocentric.
I thought this: There you go, that is as sweeping a generalization as the article would point out I was kind of going tongue-in-cheek, and basically thought the article was bullshit.
Your pastor isn't "socialist" like I'm referring to. It is a faith-based, community oriented lifestyle. The Mennonites and Amish are similar (once heard the Mennonites described as "Amish lite"). The "socialists" I'm crapping on generally do not have the work ethic of folks who deliberately (in the case of the Amish) live and work under 19th Century conditions. Hell, I'm as far from a Lefty as they come and I wouldn't want to live/work like that! That life is hard.
When I think of "socialist" in the American sense the first one who comes to mind is Bernie Sanders. Never held much of a job, always on the dole in some fashion or another, and certainly looks to have that way of life upon the backs of others pushed front-and-center on all of us. "Free this" and "free that", when we all know damn well that nothing is "free". Gonna wager Bernie never ran 5K's or knows how to load a barbell! ;)
As far as the bolded part, the American socialists (a la Bernie supporters) have no pride---or they would not expect others to foot their bills---and CERTAINLY doesn't push themselves. Pushing themselves is for others to do while they reap the societal and economic benefits from it. Sorry if it sounds like I hold them in utter disdain, but I do. Now you're a smart man 26th Inf, so make sure you read the caveat I'll put right here---> Are there exceptions to every rule? Absolutely! However, most stereotypes are based on facts, albeit slightly over-exaggerated in the broadness with which they are applied.
Your pastor isn't "socialist" like I'm referring to. It is a faith-based, community oriented lifestyle. The Mennonites and Amish are similar (once heard the Mennonites described as "Amish lite"). The "socialists" I'm crapping on generally do not have the work ethic of folks who deliberately (in the case of the Amish) live and work under 19th Century conditions. Hell, I'm as far from a Lefty as they come and I wouldn't want to live/work like that! That life is hard.
When I think of "socialist" in the American sense the first one who comes to mind is Bernie Sanders. Never held much of a job, always on the dole in some fashion or another, and certainly looks to have that way of life upon the backs of others pushed front-and-center on all of us. "Free this" and "free that", when we all know damn well that nothing is "free". Gonna wager Bernie never ran 5K's or knows how to load a barbell! ;)
As far as the bolded part, the American socialists (a la Bernie supporters) have no pride---or they would not expect others to foot their bills---and CERTAINLY doesn't push themselves. Pushing themselves is for others to do while they reap the societal and economic benefits from it. Sorry if it sounds like I hold them in utter disdain, but I do. Now you're a smart man 26th Inf, so make sure you read the caveat I'll put right here---> Are there exceptions to every rule? Absolutely! However, most stereotypes are based on facts, albeit slightly over-exaggerated in the broadness with which they are applied.
I read the caveat, we just be debating. I do think the study painted with too broad a brush.
As far as Bernie Sanders, he is a whack job, although he did get along well with both sides as the Mayor of Burlington. Bernie is a self-professed Socialist, he was also a track star in school. Therefore, because I ran cross country, and for over two decades logged at least 10 miles a day, I must also be a socialist. (Wow. Opened myself up there. :rolleyes:)
Let's analyze your statement 'Never held much of a job, always on the dole in some fashion or another' in the context of other National Level Politicians. Many of them have never had jobs outside of government in one way or another, most have never had to wonder where their next check was coming from. So in that context, actually Sanders has more in common with the average person than most of our other politicians.
As for our last several Presidents - Trump - had it handed to him, easy to make money if someone spots you 140 million, but still went bankrupt 3 or 4 times; Obama - a left-winger although I don't believe socialist in the true sense - didn't have much, got by on his wits; Bush II - pretty much given to him, his business dealings funded by family friends and government largess; Clinton - a left-winger, although like Obama, not socialist in the true sense (his wife, though, hmm) pretty much came up without the family boost.
In terms of early on having to worry about bills, and groceries, our last two Democratic Presidents have more in common with the average American then do our last 3 Republican Presidents. Although I don't know that it means much of anything.
BTW - I've lived around the Amish for 35 years, and been a member of a Mennonite Church for over 20 years, so I am pretty familiar with their doctrine.
I read the caveat, we just be debating. I do think the study painted with too broad a brush.
As far as Bernie Sanders, he is a whack job, although he did get along well with both sides as the Mayor of Burlington. Bernie is a self-professed Socialist, he was also a track star in school. Therefore, because I ran cross country, and for over two decades logged at least 10 miles a day, I must also be a socialist. (Wow. Opened myself up there. :rolleyes:)
Let's analyze your statement 'Never held much of a job, always on the dole in some fashion or another' in the context of other National Level Politicians. Many of them have never had jobs outside of government in one way or another, most have never had to wonder where their next check was coming from. So in that context, actually Sanders has more in common with the average person than most of our other politicians.
As for our last several Presidents - Trump - had it handed to him, easy to make money if someone spots you 140 million, but still went bankrupt 3 or 4 times; Obama - a left-winger although I don't believe socialist in the true sense - didn't have much, got by on his wits; Bush II - pretty much given to him, his business dealings funded by family friends and government largess; Clinton - a left-winger, although like Obama, not socialist in the true sense (his wife, though, hmm) pretty much came up without the family boost.
In terms of early on having to worry about bills, and groceries, our last two Democratic Presidents have more in common with the average American then do our last 3 Republican Presidents. Although I don't know that it means much of anything.
BTW - I've lived around the Amish for 35 years, and been a member of a Mennonite Church for over 20 years, so I am pretty familiar with their doctrine.
No, running like that makes you a full-fledged commie! :p
I was pretty certain you have the Amish/Mennonite thing down. I used to do logging for an Amish guy back in the late 80's when I got out of the Army. Talk about a shrewd businessman! While people paint Jews with that broad brush, this dude had it going on. The guy I worked with and I used to joke that the Amish guy's name should've been Troyerstein! He ran a sawmill and would make hay over a log cut a hair too short. Their society is certainly quircky by standard American measures but I have a world of respect for their work ethic. They don't bother anyone, don't push their religion, and are a peaceful society by nature so I have no beef whatsoever with them. One of the things that cemented that with me was when that POS massacred all those Amish kids a number of years back. The Amish community invited the widow of that POS and her kids to the ceremony they were having for the children's funeral! I was taken aback that such an amount of forgiveness could be shown for such a horrendous crime. Yeah, the POS's wife and kids didn't do it but still. I was forever impressed with that, as I'm not a forgiving type of guy (to my detriment).
Hey, this is going to sound stereotypical - but seems the Amish are that way everyplace, good workers, but I don't think most of them want to break even on a deal if they can come out ahead.
In my area they also, probably unintentionally, use folk's ignorance and fear of violating their (the Amish) religious freedom to get over big time.
When I showed up in the area, they were all using draft horses or steel wheeled tractors to farm, buggies and wagons to and from store, church, etc. Then the Bishop decided they could put rubber skins on the steel wheels. Then the next Bishop allowed them to put air in the tires. This caused a local schism and the non-air folks moved on for the most part. They still used the buggies and wagons for road use.
Then the Bishops changed again and this guy told them go ahead and drive the tractors to town, etc. So what we have are the Amish folks using tractors as motor vehicles. They reverse the lugs on the rear tires, and put on different front tires. They stay on the shoulders of the highways for the most part, but in town they behave just as cars do. After a short time of doing this they started hooking up pickup bed trailers and putting chairs in the back, then they started getting enclosed utility trailers and hauling their families in them.
No seatbelts, underaged drivers on highways, kids sitting on tractor fenders going down the road, folks in trailers under tow, for sure no registration and probably no insurance. I used to joke that I was going to get my kids and sit them astride the truck bed and see how far I got, or just not get tags and drive on the shoulder with my four ways on.
Problem is, LE lets them get away with it. The Troopers could nail them with relatively little fallout, but, let's be honest, do you think the Sheriff wants his Deputies stirring up that hornet's nest?
The Amish change things at the whim of the local Bishop. In essence they are like a cult in that respect.
That doesn't exempt them from any laws but the local folks are unnecessarily afraid of violating their religious freedom.
As you might tell, I get somewhat steamed about this state of affairs.
Hey, this is going to sound stereotypical - but seems the Amish are that way everyplace, good workers, but I don't think most of them want to break even on a deal if they can come out ahead.
In my area they also, probably unintentionally, use folk's ignorance and fear of violating their (the Amish) religious freedom to get over big time.
When I showed up in the area, they were all using draft horses or steel wheeled tractors to farm, buggies and wagons to and from store, church, etc. Then the Bishop decided they could put rubber skins on the steel wheels. Then the next Bishop allowed them to put air in the tires. This caused a local schism and the non-air folks moved on for the most part. They still used the buggies and wagons for road use.
Then the Bishops changed again and this guy told them go ahead and drive the tractors to town, etc. So what we have are the Amish folks using tractors as motor vehicles. They reverse the lugs on the rear tires, and put on different front tires. They stay on the shoulders of the highways for the most part, but in town they behave just as cars do. After a short time of doing this they started hooking up pickup bed trailers and putting chairs in the back, then they started getting enclosed utility trailers and hauling their families in them.
No seatbelts, underaged drivers on highways, kids sitting on tractor fenders going down the road, folks in trailers under tow, for sure no registration and probably no insurance. I used to joke that I was going to get my kids and sit them astride the truck bed and see how far I got, or just not get tags and drive on the shoulder with my four ways on.
Problem is, LE lets them get away with it. The Troopers could nail them with relatively little fallout, but, let's be honest, do you think the Sheriff wants his Deputies stirring up that hornet's nest?
The Amish change things at the whim of the local Bishop. In essence they are like a cult in that respect.
That doesn't exempt them from any laws but the local folks are unnecessarily afraid of violating their religious freedom.
As you might tell, I get somewhat steamed about this state of affairs.
Hell, who wouldn't?! They are like anyone else in an enterprising sort of way.
While we have disagreements on the "reasons" for said article, yeah it was doing that "painting with a broad brush" thing. I can see both of our explanations being valid in one case or another, but even then there are exceptions. I've talked to all types at the gym. A Lib every now and then but there is some truth to the article's speculation that generally the trend runs more conservative in fitness circles.
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