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Slater
06-02-17, 14:25
Bought the below KAC-esque covers from an EBay seller in Killeen, Texas ($5 each). They're marked "P&S PRODUCTS" and "4U486". Just cheap Chinese knockoffs or mil surplus?


http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/5757_photos/HPIM1725_zpsilj46fca.jpg (http://s571.photobucket.com/user/5757_photos/media/HPIM1725_zpsilj46fca.jpg.html)

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/5757_photos/rail%20cover_zps1fitjwbl.jpg (http://s571.photobucket.com/user/5757_photos/media/rail%20cover_zps1fitjwbl.jpg.html)
Failure2Stop
06-02-17, 14:33
P&S actually acquired the M4 RAS contract when KAC sold the TDP to the gov.
They are made in the US, though I have heard reports that they are a step down in quality from our (KAC's) original product.
That said, the items as pictured are 98% likely to be inappropriately acquired government property, caveat emptor.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-02-17, 14:36
Why couldn't they be production overrun?
Doc Safari
06-02-17, 14:37
"Inappropriately acquired?" LOL

That has to be the most diplomatic term for "stolen" I've ever heard in my life. :jester:
Failure2Stop
06-02-17, 17:07
Why couldn't they be production overrun?

Gov suppliers don't make a habit of gov marking and packaging commercial product.
There is constant need for these items (we still sell a bunch), so any production allocation that doesn't ship will usually just wait for the next gov purchase.
The associated contract number is W52H0907D0424 (on package), and it looks like it was award #4 on that contract by the packaging.
Checking the ezsearch: https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/fpdsportal?s=FPDS&q=0013+9700++CONTRACTING_OFFICE_NAME%3A%22W4GG+HQ+US+ARMY+TACOM%22+REF_IDV_PIID%3A%22%22+VENDOR_FULL_NAME%3A%22P+AND+S+PRODUCTS+INCORPORATED%22&indexName=awardfull&templateName=1.4.1
It shows that the contract was awarded on March 6, 2009, and the packaging looks to indicate that it was manufactured on 09/09.
There were several follow-up awards (right there on the page linked) for the same item, including one for July. With the packaging indicates a manufacture date after the award date, it appears company does not maintain on-shelf stock of the contract item.
Beat up packaging looks like it was shipped at least once with a bunch of other items, and since they have been sitting around for coming up on 8 years, and the seller's proximity to a sizeable Army base, it doesn't scream "just had a contract overrun" to me.

But hey, that's just like, my opinion man.
Slater
06-02-17, 17:24
EBay has these available from several sellers (in various lengths) from places as varied as Alabama and Pennsylvania. I get your point about the Killeen, TX seller but could some of these others be DRMO surplus, for instance?
RetroRevolver77
06-02-17, 18:17
I remember when Knight's Armament used to produce these rail covers in nice little plastic sleeves of assorted sizes.
Failure2Stop
06-05-17, 16:57
EBay has these available from several sellers (in various lengths) from places as varied as Alabama and Pennsylvania. I get your point about the Killeen, TX seller but could some of these others be DRMO surplus, for instance?

Not in new condition with ongoing acquisitions contracts.
Not legally at least.
Outlander Systems
06-05-17, 17:31
It's been my understanding that P&S has not sold their RIS, VFGs, or their panels on the .civ market.

Ever.


Not in new condition with ongoing acquisitions contracts.
Not legally at least.
Failure2Stop
06-06-17, 12:49
It's been my understanding that P&S has not sold their RIS, VFGs, or their panels on the .civ market.

Ever.

I know that there are some things that they cannot sell except to the government, but I am not educated enough on their division of products to say that all of them are gov only.
elephant
06-06-17, 13:14
I get a lot of stuff from Killeen (Ft. Hoot), most likely it was a buy back or auction. People wonder where I get all the Acogs and Eotechs and such that I give a way, I get them from Ft. Hood by the hundreds- cheap. sometimes brand new condition in original packaging. I don't know about rail covers but I would bet that they have more than they need and auction off or (buy back) what they don't want. That money goes to the base.
Failure2Stop
06-06-17, 14:01
I don't know about rail covers but I would bet that they have more than they need and auction off or (buy back) what they don't want. That money goes to the base.

That's not how government acquisitions and disposition work.
Doesn't mean that it doesn't occasionally happen that somebody tosses the wrong thing into the DRMO bin, and DRMO doesn't catch it and allows them to move, but those items are still "inappropriately acquired".
JulyAZ
06-06-17, 14:13
"Inappropriately acquired?" LOL

That has to be the most diplomatic term for "stolen" I've ever heard in my life. :jester:

Maybe meaning that they get smuggled out, the same way drugs in prison get smuggled in...
Slater
06-06-17, 14:13
A basic Google search shows P&S rails available from various sources (auction sites, private sellers, etc.). Heck, P&S ought to just open a commercial sales division so they can at least tap into the civilian market demand.
elephant
06-06-17, 15:47
That's not how government acquisitions and disposition work.
Doesn't mean that it doesn't occasionally happen that somebody tosses the wrong thing into the DRMO bin, and DRMO doesn't catch it and allows them to move, but those items are still "inappropriately acquired".

Your lots get inspected and have to match the manifest before leaving. Its not as simple as throwing stuff into a bin. It takes weeks, months of preparation and assortment. Its all controlled.
Robb Jensen
06-13-17, 04:45
I bought my P&S M5 rail with covers from Brownells.

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/forend-amp-handguard-parts/handguards-amp-rails/ar-15-m5-rail-adapter-system-prod96982.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=NUMRICH%2bGUN%2bPARTS%2bCORPORATION