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Whiskey_Bravo
06-03-17, 16:53
Not much info yet. Sounds like another attack involving a van running people over and then getting out and stabbing people.
London police report 'incident' on London Bridge
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/03/europe/london-bridge-incident/index.html
According to London police twitter feed they are also responding to another incident at Borough Market.
They are never going to learn apparently, Police withholding comment because that could lead people to resent the
Religion of Peace adherents .
I bet it was a group of Buhddists...
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suspect described as white shirt black tie neatly cut kids very polite !!! MORMONS are at it again !!!!!
papers are saying it was a MAN !!! how sexist !! how do they know what it identifies as !!!! oh safe space protect me !
I am sure this is caused by Trump !
suspects had 12 inch blades ! there is a Crocodile Dundee joke in there somewhere ! pretty sure there are pointy knife laws in the UK ?
yeah bad form to joke but at this point its kinda like watching someone try to get in to pet the bears at the zoo and you pulled em out 5x and said what is going to happen and this time you just have to shake your head and have your darwin trophy ready and camera in hand !!!!
prayers for the victims but there is a point when they start to defend or demand a way to defend themselves again !but this will be about gun control and not being a racist islamaphobic instead
Watching the people evacuate the area with their hands on their heads looking like a bunch of surrendering kafirs...Sir Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave...Keep Calm and Carry On indeed...
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Coal Dragger
06-03-17, 19:50
Damn Lutherans.
Waiting with bated breath to see which politicians accept responsibility for this pathetic state of affairs.
Thank God that the victims were only little people, of which there are many.
Averageman
06-03-17, 20:01
The British were teaching a school curriculum that included teaching that terrorists were justified in their actions due to being ignored politically.
There has been a little push back on that due to recent events in Manchester, but it's likely to not change.
These people have more in common with the people killing them than with us here in the US.
suspects had 12 inch blades ! there is a Crocodile Dundee joke in there somewhere ! pretty sure there are pointy knife laws in the UK ?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/3084176591_1989e1f8dd_b.jpg
vicious_cb
06-03-17, 20:16
London police advice...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBbomE8V0AARgpa.jpg
London police advice...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBbomE8V0AARgpa.jpg
Yes let the unarmed cop know so he can run with you
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I'm watching SKY News from abroad. They are reporting one of the Amish that was shot was wearing something that looked like canisters strapped to his chest. Still developing. Looks like the entire city is locked down.
The sheep are completely disarmed and defenseless. Prayers to them. I hope the U.K. Wakes up soon. It's going to get a lot worse if not.
gunrunner505
06-03-17, 20:57
Amish, definitely Amish....
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Coal Dragger
06-03-17, 21:40
I still think it's Lutherans. They're fed up man!
In before Will makes a prediction of religion of attackers.
So sad, but so predictable. The whole mentality over there is weird.
London police advice...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBbomE8V0AARgpa.jpg
So they took the Houstonready.org's Run-Hide-Fight campaign and neutered it? Wow... Just... Wow... :(
So they took the Houstonready.org's Run-Hide-Fight campaign and neutered it? Wow... Just... Wow... :(
You know, funny story, and kind of off topic, but the run, hide, fight thing was a safety training thing at my work. We got done with it and then lunch. Discussion for lunch among several, went basically, "well we don't have any actual security, why don't they just have a few designated people carrying concealed in case of an active shooter thing. Would be a lot safer than hoping the local LE show up in time." This was not at the most conservative work place in the world by a long shot by the way.
This is a country where Bruce Lee movies are edited to remove any scenes of nunchaku use, because nunchaku are considered such a dangerous weapon that one "teenager" armed with deadly karate sticks could take over an entire embassy or something.
A tragedy yes but I'm having a hard time feeling bad for them.
Mohammed must be so proud.
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This is a country where Bruce Lee movies are edited to remove any scenes of nunchaku use, because nunchaku are considered such a dangerous weapon that one "teenager" armed with deadly karate sticks could take over an entire embassy or something.
You're shitting me..... right!? Edited nunchuks?
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MountainRaven
06-03-17, 23:42
So they took the Houstonready.org's Run-Hide-Fight campaign and neutered it? Wow... Just... Wow... :(
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1651/9677/products/VW-RHF1-Web.jpg?v=1489709860 (https://victory-wear.com/collections/t-shirts/products/run-hide-fight?variant=34004271558)
The British were teaching a school curriculum that included teaching that terrorists were justified in their actions due to being ignored politically.
There has been a little push back on that due to recent events in Manchester, but it's likely to not change.
These people have more in common with the people killing them than with us here in the US.
UK Children Taught to ‘Respect’ Terrorists Who Kill over ‘Unfair’ Treatment
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/30/teaching-terror-children-respect-killers/
the book, which goes on to give examples of “terrorists” it says were on the right side of history,
guess the bad guys did not see the box !!!!
http://www.citizen-action.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/bin-that-knife.jpg
You're shitting me..... right!? Edited nunchuks?
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Not kidding. There are a lot of movies that are not even available in England because no edited version exists.
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=421521
Even stuff like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles got chopped.
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=5037950
It is astonishing how much this country has neutered itself. From gun bans, to sword bans, to bans on knives with a point to bans on films that even show a person holding nunchaku. And only took what? Three generations to complete? That's actually a bit frightening.
Not saying they deserve any of this, but god damn at some point you have to stand up and start fighting back...and that's hard to do when only your enemies have weapons.
Coal Dragger
06-04-17, 03:05
I don't have any sympathy left for Western Europe. They are hell bent on decline. They won't enforce their own sovereignty, won't enforce their own borders, won't reproduce at a rate to sustain their native populations, won't fight for anything really. They are totally pussy-fied. In 25 years they'll all be speaking Arabic or Russian. Probably Arabic, Russian if they're lucky. Either way they will bring it on themselves, and I simply don't care from a personal sympathy standpoint.
Moose-Knuckle
06-04-17, 04:52
Waiting with bated breath to see which politicians accept responsibility for this pathetic state of affairs.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/34700271750_7cb9cfa4b3_b.jpg
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
London police advice...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBbomE8V0AARgpa.jpg
It's refreshing to know that not all European nations have committed national suicide . . .
Czech government tells its citizens how to fight terrorists: Shoot them yourselves
A couple of months ago, Czech President Milos Zeman made an unusual request: He urged citizens to arm themselves against a possible "super-Holocaust" carried out by Muslim terrorists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/06/czech-government-tells-its-citizens-how-to-fight-terrorists-shoot-them-yourselves/?utm_term=.ea4299fc0f6f
UK Children Taught to ‘Respect’ Terrorists Who Kill over ‘Unfair’ Treatment
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/30/teaching-terror-children-respect-killers/
I get the sneaky suspicion that they don't include White IRA terrorists in those teachings of benevolence.
So painful to hear about the bar patrons "defending themselves" by throwing bottles at the radical Mormons.
And Trump just tweeted "Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!"
Averageman
06-04-17, 07:58
And this will continue until we decide to stop it.
Sorry, but it is really that simple. We need to let go of the lies of "Coexist" and "Multiculturalism" at all costs. This is dangerous Globalist propaganda.
There is a cost that is too high to pay to play this game and we are seeing it unfold.
tp://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_LONDON_BRIDGE_ATTACK_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-04-08-23-21
British police say they have arrested 12 people in east London over the attack in the London Bridge area.
Police said in a statement that the arrests were made Sunday morning in Barking by counterterrorism officers.
Officials said that seven people died in the Saturday night attack and roughly 48 were wounded. A British Transport Police officer and an off-duty officer were among the injured. In addition, three attackers were shot dead by police.
Police say the investigation is progressing rapidly. Prime Minister Theresa May has blamed Islamic extremists.
So hours after it happens, they've rounded up twelve people.
That tells me they knew these twelve were suspects in terror before this incident happened.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/shots-fired-london-terrorist-attack-004738261.html
The assailants wore fake suicide vests in a bid to increase the sense of panic as they lunged seemingly at random at the crowds gathered around London Bridge and Borough Market, which is full of restaurants and bars.
Gerard Vowls, 47, said he saw a woman repeatedly stabbed, and threw chairs, glasses and bottles at the attackers in a bid to stop them.
"They kept coming to try to stab me... they were stabbing everyone. Evil, evil people," he told The Guardian newspaper.
Holly Jones, a BBC reporter, saw a white van speeding into crowds of people walking along the pavement on London Bridge, saying it hit about five or six people.
Another witness called Eric told the BBC he had seen three men get out and thought they were going to help.
Instead they "started kicking them, punching them and took out knives. It was a rampage really," he said, adding that he heard a shout of: "This is for Allah".
You're not free if when being attacked all you have legally available to defend your life are beer bottles, chairs and glasses.
RetroRevolver77
06-04-17, 09:01
Christianity has been at war with Islam for 1400 years and allowing them to come into otherwise peaceful nations is proving to be suicide.
Outlander Systems
06-04-17, 09:10
Europe dug this grave. Now they get to lie in it.
They literally brought this on themselves.
#NoPity
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/34700271750_7cb9cfa4b3_b.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBdr7uQXgAAgwSN.jpg:large
Eurodriver
06-04-17, 09:18
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/prc_42191870.jpg
Seeing POTUS Tweet that is nice.
[B]And this will continue until we decide to stop it.
Sorry, but it is really that simple.
Has anyone put together a realistic comprehensive plan for that? We all know the usual "glass the place" type comments not a realistic option. Has a group or person not afraid to make snowflakes butt hurt put forth a comprehensive realistic plan? I'd imagine some switched on defense focused orgs, etc have, yet not see anything myself other than same old shit. In the US, we hit up against Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech, to bed rock principles and Rights we hold as core values. Hence, simply closing mosques known to be lead by radical types (just as an example) will be blocked by court cases for decades and likely just drive them underground anyway.
They are using our strengths as a weakness to exploit. The western nations will need to develop a cohesive front as we did WWII if we really want to stop it and that involves a radical change in approach. We also can't keep turning a blind eye to those countries that support terrorists that happen to fit our agenda, and hammer those countries that continue to support or harbor them.
Etc, etc. I just don't see that happening
Wow, I've never seen a culture so eager for defeat. It's aatonishing.
They say terrorists aren't true muslims, but make accepting islam the focus of preventing terrorism - wtf?
Outlander Systems
06-04-17, 10:00
Mega,
It's simple really. We in the West get to live like prisoners, so that we can have the privilege of being culturally enriched by the religion of peace.
Totally worth it.
The Brits disarmed after WW1, when WW2 arrived because of Dunkirk there was a drive in America for citizens to donate
private arms to protect the home front since so many weapons were abandoned on the beaches.
Interestingly enough when the war ended the Brits, ditched Churchill, embraced Socialism, disarmed again and those
rifles and pistols Americans sent to GB were destroyed.
That is the essential difference between citizens and subjects to the Crown.
Bringing the discussion to the current matter.
Report said that one of the wounded in the stabbing attack was a policeman that confronted the knives wielding terrorists with only a billy club. He was brave, attempted to do his job, but he was not allowed to have the proper tool. Hope he recovers.
hotrodder636
06-04-17, 10:44
Agreed.
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/prc_42191870.jpg
Seeing POTUS Tweet that is nice.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-04-17, 12:34
Someone needs to redo the Hitler video with hitler lamenting that he never had boots on the ground in Britian, but these goat ****ers successfully invaded britian.
Churchill's "We shall fight them in the..." speech seems more appropriate now then ever, except for the fight part.
Averageman
06-04-17, 12:57
Has anyone put together a realistic comprehensive plan for that? We all know the usual "glass the place" type comments not a realistic option. Has a group or person not afraid to make snowflakes butt hurt put forth a comprehensive realistic plan? I'd imagine some switched on defense focused orgs, etc have, yet not see anything myself other than same old shit. In the US, we hit up against Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech, to bed rock principles and Rights we hold as core values. Hence, simply closing mosques known to be lead by radical types (just as an example) will be blocked by court cases for decades and likely just drive them underground anyway.
They are using our strengths as a weakness to exploit. The western nations will need to develop a cohesive front as we did WWII if we really want to stop it and that involves a radical change in approach. We also can't keep turning a blind eye to those countries that support terrorists that happen to fit our agenda, and hammer those countries that continue to support or harbor them.
Etc, etc. I just don't see that happening
It will take a fundamental change in the way we look at terror, immigration, international relations and the radicalization of islam. We're just not ready for that yet.
We have an inability to face the truth because we are afraid of being called racist or islamaphobic and until that fear is replaced by logic we will continue to put ourselves in jeopardy.
Perfect example;
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/04/susan-rice-slams-trump-s-travel-ban-proposal/22124941/https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/04/susan-rice-slams-trump-s-travel-ban-proposal/22124941/
Shortly after news of the attack broke, the President Trump tweeted, "We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!" "We must stop being politically correct and get down to the business of security for our people. If we don't get smart it will only get worse."
Susan Rice replied;
"There is really no evidence to suggest that by banning Muslims, or banning Muslims from a particular set of six countries, that we would make ourselves here in the United States safer. And that's I believe, one of the major reasons why the courts thus far have been very skeptical of the travel ban."
Rice also told host George Stephanopoulos, "I think there is a very real risk that by stigmatizing and isolating Muslims from particular countries and Muslims in general, that we alienate the very communities here in the United States whose cooperation we most need to detect and prevent these homegrown extremists from being able to carry out attacks. We need the cooperation of our Muslim-American communities."
I'm not sure why anyone would want the lying Susan Rice on their show, She certainly doesn't lend any credibility to the host or her words.
The more logical approach would be to gather the experts together and ask for recommendations to prevent radicals from coming in to our country and to weed out those already within. The "ban" was supposed to give us time to come up with recommendations, so why wait for the ban, lets put the panel together and stop this madness.
Susan "It was a Youtube Video" Rice is part of the problem, not the answer and people need to call her out on it at every opportunity.
I'd like to give a big Bravo Zulu to the Metropolitan Police. BZ to the Constable who took them on with only a baton, to all the first responder's and EMS and to the officers who put shots on the Terrorists, putting them down only 8 minutes after first notification - well done.
I think Britain is waking up.
It's sad to see a country that at one time pretty much ruled the world is disappearing, just like Western Europe. Not because they went bankrupt, or were defeated militarily, but through allowing people that have been at war with them since the beginning to immigrate to the point of changing thier nation forever. It's also interesting that the only countries resisting are those that broke from the USSR. I never had much interest in visiting Eastern Europe but right now that's the only place I'd go in Europe. While in Afghanistan I met some good dudes from Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria.
Coal Dragger
06-04-17, 13:27
No they're not. A lot more Brits will have to die before the average Brit wants to remove the Kebabs from Great Britain permanently.
I'd share my views on what I think should be done, but frankly they are not realistic because our society doesn't have the will to carry out what I think it will take. Plus the whole religious freedom part of our constitution gets in the way. For some reason people still want to regard Islam as a religion, and get all butt hurt when it could be used to identify an enemy to be destroyed.
Some food for thought though.... in the 1930's and first half of the 1940's the Nazis exterminated approximately 6 million Jews. The Nazis of course were epically evil shit heels, who deserve to burn in hell. Those European Jews never did anything bad to anyone as a group, and were unjustly persecuted. Can we say the same for the Muslims in Europe and other places in the world? I say no. I think they richly deserve what they hav coming to them, they earn it everyday in blood.
Yoni's Plan for fighting indigenous terrorism in the UK.
1. Make it a crime to speak of support of jihad or shira .
2. Jail Imam's for preaching hate
3. Repeal the stupid gun laws
4. Arm all police
5. Give the Police the ability to monitor all Islamic activity on the web, including muslims email
But they just have not bled enough to start of any these steps.
Coal Dragger
06-04-17, 14:12
You're far more generous than I would be Yoni.
You're far more generous than I would be Yoni.
That would be step 2 if step 1 didn't put a stop to it. You can always escalate.
MountainRaven
06-04-17, 14:52
5. Give the Police the ability to monitor all Islamic activity on the web, including muslims email
The UK already monitors all internet activity occurring in their country and there are some MPs who want the UK government to set up it's own internet, through which the global internet will be allowed to be viewed (assuming the government approves of the content being transmitted).
The British populace is the most surveilled population on earth.
Reported that UK is watching 23K+ Islamic extremists. A UK pundit on Fox mentioned internment as an option. Personally, I'm ok with that.
The pub-goers attempted to defend themselves by throwing bottles, chairs and other items at the attackers.
...
The three attackers were shot dead by police outside the Wheatsheaf eight minutes after the initial 999 emergency call was made.
Imagine eight minutes of trying to defend yourself with whatever you have available while waiting on the police to arrive.
But right...all those knife laws helped a lot. And it was just a poor misuse of a vehicle.
Averageman
06-04-17, 16:35
I'm getting too old and cranky not to have had enough of this by now.
I'm beginning to believe it's time to call out these SJW on their BS. If you don't want it happening here you need to step up and call them on it.
Outlander Systems
06-04-17, 17:15
El oh ellllll
https://youtu.be/muME4lb7YhM
Watch b4 it gets memory-holed.
"... We need the cooperation of our Muslim-American communities."
Admitting we're not getting it. Nicely done Susan.
I'd like to give a big Bravo Zulu to the Metropolitan Police. BZ to the Constable who took them on with only a baton, to all the first responder's and EMS and to the officers who put shots on the Terrorists, putting them down only 8 minutes after first notification - well done.
I think Britain is waking up.
Of course armed officer with a fire arm vs a baton, or gasp, horror, an armed citizen, would have potentially ended it sooner with a lower death toll. In the context of their system it sounds like as good as one could ask for.
Admitting we're not getting it. Nicely done Susan.
And even more ironic when you remember She thinks we should be more like Europe, you know, where they are extra nice to muslims and don't have any extremist attacks because of it...
The British populace is the most surveilled population on earth.
And that is another problem, if you watch everything - you see nothing. Sure you have a nice video of the incident after the fact, but that is hardly a deterrent. England is a brilliant example of what is not working. You simply can't disarm somebody who is willing to die in order to kill others. They will always find a way even if they are reduced to running around and stabbing everyone with a screwdriver.
I really thought the 9-11 example of "box cutters and fake explosives" demonstrated how much determined individuals can do with very little but it seems like it's been forgotten.
And even more ironic when you remember She thinks we should be more like Europe, you know, where they are extra nice to muslims and don't have any extremist attacks because of it...
Obviously there's few benefits to these attacks, but one may be fewer and fewer in the US will want to be like the "enlightened" Euro countries as the see the results no matter what Rice and co say. UK and western euro stuck now and having to double down on cultural enlightenment. Admission of being wrong on prior policies never happens.
And that is another problem, if you watch everything - you see nothing. Sure you have a nice video of the incident after the fact, but that is hardly a deterrent. England is a brilliant example of what is not working. You simply can't disarm somebody who is willing to die in order to kill others. They will always find a way even if they are reduced to running around and stabbing everyone with a screwdriver.
I really thought the 9-11 example of "box cutters and fake explosives" demonstrated how much determined individuals can do with very little but it seems like it's been forgotten.
At least you know where to go to outline the bodies with chalk faster.
Averageman
06-04-17, 18:12
Reported that UK is watching 23K+ Islamic extremists. A UK pundit on Fox mentioned internment as an option. Personally, I'm ok with that.
I would rather revoke their citizenship and deport them than watch them and wait.
Of course armed officer with a fire arm vs a baton, or gasp, horror, an armed citizen, would have potentially ended it sooner with a lower death toll. In the context of their system it sounds like as good as one could ask for.
I agree about the firearms.
But you have to admit a Constable going after several guys with knives was representing what the job is all about.
And, you have to admit, running them down, taking care of business and placing 50 pence pieces on their eyes within 8 minutes was good work in any part of the world.
Eight minutes is a helluva long time if those knives are being waved around in my AO.
Especially when you consider the leftist Brit politicians were importing these mopes and their parents for the past few decades to reshape society. Adam Smith said there was "a great deal of ruin in a country" but I don't think even he contemplated this degree of stupidity.
Eight minutes is a helluva long time if those knives are being waved around in my AO.
It's forever if they are being waved at you. IIRC, the last time I looked, which was over a year ago, the median response time for an active shooter situation in the US was just over 3 minutes for police on scene, that is arrival, not shooter neutralized.
As I said, having the package wrapped in 8 minutes isn't bad.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-04-17, 22:16
In a major metro area, during a high terrorist watch level? Is it 8 minutes to the time a gun gets there or that Bobby goes Chuck Norris with his baton? I'm thinking that the Metro police are going to have to rethink their distribution of firearms. If they want to keep up appearances, even a CCW version would keep the bad guys wondering and let them keep the clean look they want for the tourists.
RetroRevolver77
06-04-17, 22:34
Nevermind, the UK is reaping what it has sewn.
7n6
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-04-17, 23:05
Nevermind, the UK is reaping what it didn't weed out.
7n6
FIFY...
while media will never say at least the muslim mayor has confirmed its a muslim problem !!!!
cause ignorance of islam is dangerous !!!
and the so called mainstream muslims means the radical ones are muslims in his eyes and are also dangerous
if you alienate the mainstream or try to stop them they will rise up to become dangerous and commit jihad cause a muslim is a muslim !!!
Moose-Knuckle
06-05-17, 04:25
It's sad to see a country that at one time pretty much ruled the world is disappearing, just like Western Europe. Not because they went bankrupt, or were defeated militarily, but through allowing people that have been at war with them since the beginning to immigrate to the point of changing thier nation forever.
Are we so different?
I think not.
Are we so different?
I think not.
I don't disagree with you in the broad sense but I've got to say yes we are. Britannia was pacified and populated before firearms became common. They lost the ability to fend for themselves, explore, the need to have those skills long before the average American. They have been raised for generations to be a subjects, not citizens. There are many here that are totally dependent on Uncle Sugar, but more that are not. We don't even need to address the firearm issue. I think we are headed the direction of Europe in the long run, but the good news is that we will be long gone by then. Of course by then there may actually be a realization of what the conflict is and it may be addressed in a very different manner by many of the players.
Conversation is good but I really doubt we have very differing opinions from each other on this subject.
Averageman
06-05-17, 09:07
Check the response by our State Department, some seem to be at odds with the POTUS and his response to the Mayor of London.
I find it a bit odd that we cannot have a united voice if not a united line of thought between the POTUS and our Diplomats.
It's no wonder things are as they are.
Drain the swamp already...
In a major metro area, during a high terrorist watch level? Is it 8 minutes to the time a gun gets there or that Bobby goes Chuck Norris with his baton? I'm thinking that the Metro police are going to have to rethink their distribution of firearms. If they want to keep up appearances, even a CCW version would keep the bad guys wondering and let them keep the clean look they want for the tourists.
This event and others always reminds me of this event when the chit heads attempted to pull Charlie Hebdo in the US:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/03/police-shooting-at-muhammad-cartoon-contest-in-texas.html
What cops in the UK deal with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXHorIrLFIc
In a major metro area, during a high terrorist watch level? Is it 8 minutes to the time a gun gets there or that Bobby goes Chuck Norris with his baton? I'm thinking that the Metro police are going to have to rethink their distribution of firearms. If they want to keep up appearances, even a CCW version would keep the bad guys wondering and let them keep the clean look they want for the tourists.
I think this may be the key to the whole deal. If you have CCW cops sprinkled throughout the population it would not change any outward appearances and not cause outrage and alarm with the sheeple. Modern SBR easily concealable in any number of inconspicuous looking bags. Response times could be cut drastically and after an incident or two, would give bad guys something to really think about before next attack.
I keep thinking that the same principle applies when you have a mosquito problem. You either get rid of all the standing water in the area or you, at the very least, keep watch over the area for anything that could cause you harm in the future.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-05-17, 10:37
This event and others always reminds me of this event when the chit heads attempted to pull Charlie Hebdo in the US:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/03/police-shooting-at-muhammad-cartoon-contest-in-texas.html
When this stuff happened I called it "Stuff that doesn't happen in Texas" and had to remind my wife of how it went down when they did try it in Texas.
Has anyone put together a realistic comprehensive plan for that? We all know the usual "glass the place" type comments not a realistic option. Has a group or person not afraid to make snowflakes butt hurt put forth a comprehensive realistic plan? I'd imagine some switched on defense focused orgs, etc have, yet not see anything myself other than same old shit. In the US, we hit up against Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech, to bed rock principles and Rights we hold as core values. Hence, simply closing mosques known to be lead by radical types (just as an example) will be blocked by court cases for decades and likely just drive them underground anyway.
They are using our strengths as a weakness to exploit. The western nations will need to develop a cohesive front as we did WWII if we really want to stop it and that involves a radical change in approach. We also can't keep turning a blind eye to those countries that support terrorists that happen to fit our agenda, and hammer those countries that continue to support or harbor them.
Etc, etc. I just don't see that happening
The answer can only come from within. There is literally only one thing that can save Islam from itself, modernization. What Islam desperately needs more than anything else is a "King James" version of the Koran. So long as they desperately cling to the "Old Testament" style Koran, they will never emerge from the Dark Ages.
It really is that simple. :(
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-05-17, 12:44
The answer can only come from within. There is literally only one thing that can save Islam from itself, modernization. What Islam desperately needs more than anything else is a "King James" version of the Koran. So long as they desperately cling to the "Old Testament" style Koran, they will never emerge from the Dark Ages.
It really is that simple. :(
A Islamic version of the Thirty Years War where they finally realize that the religious wars are too brutal and move into 17th Century.
A Islamic version of the Thirty Years War where they finally realize that the religious wars are too brutal and move into 17th Century.
Yep. Keep in mind that 350 years later, the war still lingered on in the form of the IRA fighting "Protestant" rule in the UK. Islam hasn't even gotten that far yet, so the road ahead is LONG and uninviting. :(
Averageman
06-05-17, 13:09
Yep. Keep in mind that 350 years later, the war still lingered on in the form of the IRA fighting "Protestant" rule in the UK. Islam hasn't even gotten that far yet, so the road ahead is LONG and uninviting. :(
And Perhaps even Radioactive.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/230599
WATCH Hadjis in London celebrate the attack.
Every body in that tunnel should lose their UK citizenship and be deported. ( or a midnight visit from the SAS)
The answer can only come from within. There is literally only one thing that can save Islam from itself, modernization. What Islam desperately needs more than anything else is a "King James" version of the Koran. So long as they desperately cling to the "Old Testament" style Koran, they will never emerge from the Dark Ages.
It really is that simple. :(
I agree with the modernization aspect. But I had to LMAO about a KJV Koran. While your at it make a KJV TaNaKh (Hebrew Bible). So all the world's second largest religion needs to do is substantially change their belief system and things will be OK. I agree, but damn, it ain't likely.
And by KJV, I assume you are talking about the New Testament?
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-05-17, 13:55
Yep. Keep in mind that 350 years later, the war still lingered on in the form of the IRA fighting "Protestant" rule in the UK. Islam hasn't even gotten that far yet, so the road ahead is LONG and uninviting. :(
WE WERE OCCUPIED!!!
It doesn't end wars, but at least it takes religion out of the equation, or really intra-faith issues. Religion is perhaps more ingrained in Islamic than Christian systems, but not my much. I think the Thirty Years War, by making religion take a back seat to Real Politik, has to happen before you decouple governance from religion.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-05-17, 14:01
Releasing names of the attackers:
British police have identified two of the three men behind Saturday night's terror attack in London as Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane
One Pakistan born, the other Morrocan or Libyan. 3rd not released yet.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/europe/london-terror-attack-raids/index.html
One bystander shot. 50 Shots and a bystander. These guys train with the NYPD?
I agree with the modernization aspect. But I had to LMAO about a KJV Koran. While your at it make a KJV TaNaKh (Hebrew Bible). So all the world's second largest religion needs to do is substantially change their belief system and things will be OK. I agree, but damn, it ain't likely.
And by KJV, I assume you are talking about the New Testament?
Yes, and I agree that Islam is not ready to move into the modern age as a religion. The TaNaKh most closely corresponds with the OT, but the Halakha has been repeatedly examined, commented on and ultimately updated to more closely keep pace with society, while maintaining the overall tone and tenor of Judaism. The ways in which each major religion views and utilizes Responsa vary greatly. Papal decrees don't require Catholics to wage Holy War (anymore). Protestant Christianity is too fragmented to effectively decree war and other than some anti-abortion nutjobs, isn't much of a threat anymore. The Chief Rabbinate of Israel is loosely equivalent to civil courts in other nations, so no war powers. In the modern Islamic world, fatwas issued by Mufti or Maraji in Islamic nations may actually result in a call to arms or full on wars.
That's a HUGE difference. :(
Well this take a turn for the worse and below a vid that may not represent all Muslims to be sure, worth a watch and pass along when claimed it's tiny minority that believe as radical types do. Vid will be an eye opener for some. It's a minority that will act on them, but seems a large % agree on the what apologists claim most do not:
London Attacker Was in Documentary Called Jihadis Next Door:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3723382/attacker-arsenal-kit-kfc-c4-doc-jihadi-flag-radicalise-kids-thrown-out-mosque-quizzed-cops/
Watch this also...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU
Coal Dragger
06-05-17, 15:17
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/230599
WATCH Hadjis in London celebrate the attack.
Every body in that tunnel should lose their UK citizenship and be deported. ( or a midnight visit from the SAS)
I vote for a 0300 visit by SAS troopers with no inclination to take prisoners.
Averageman
06-05-17, 15:17
London police have named two of the three London Bridge attackers, confirming one as a known Islamist radical who appeared in a Channel 4 documentary.
Khuram Shazad Butt, 27, from Barking, was a British citizen born in Pakistan. He was known to police and MI5, was under investigation since 2015, and was linked to notorious hate preacher Anjem Choudary’s extremist network
A second man, Rachid Redouane, 30, “had claimed to be Moroccan and Libyan” police said, revealing he also used the name Rachid Elkhdar. He was not known to police.
Hate preacher Mohammed Shamsuddin, who Khuram Shazad prayed with in the Channel 4 documentary, was an associate of notorious hate preacher Anjem Choudary, who founded the now-banned terror group al-Muhajiroun.
Mr. Choudary has been linked to numerous murderous terrorists, including Michael Adebolajo, one of the killers of Fusilier Lee Rigby, and the 7/7 London bombers, and was convicted last year of supporting Islamic State.
It would seem that at least one of the three had fairly well known radical views and known associates linked to terror.
You immigrate and you decide that your new country needs sharia law, just like your old country? So why immigrate unless your purpose is to not assimilate and not adapt and thrive in your new country?
Unless you have ulterior motives...like some jihad maybe?
Well this take a turn for the worse and below a vid that may not represent all Muslims to be sure, worth a watch and pass along when claimed it's tiny minority that believe as radical types do. Vid will be an eye opener for some. It's a minority that will act on them, but seems a large % agree on the what apologists claim most do not:
London Attacker Was in Documentary Called Jihadis Next Door:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3723382/attacker-arsenal-kit-kfc-c4-doc-jihadi-flag-radicalise-kids-thrown-out-mosque-quizzed-cops/
Watch this also...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU
The quickest way for Islam to completely cut ISIS off from the Muslim world would be for their ulama (high ranking religious leaders) to condemn ISIS for apostasy. After all, if ISIS truly is abhorrent to the very tenets of Islam, they would indeed be apostates. Unfortunately, the Islamic world is silent: http://www.dailywire.com/news/2161/islams-oldest-university-says-isis-are-not-james-barrett Where ISIS is not: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/14/isis-releases-apostasy-hit-list-of-21-western-muslim-leaders/
Yet:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/kerry-calls-isis-apostates-not-even-worlds-top-sunni-authority-has
(Yes, I agree with John Kerry on something! The horror! LOL)
So why can Kerry get away with calling ISIS apostates but no one in the Islamic hierarchy can or will? Takfirism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri Pay particular attention to this part:
An ill-founded takfir accusation is a major forbidden act. So the refusal of every major Islamic leader and institution to take this step says a lot more than what they claim in the media. The worst they will do is claim ISIS are "Khawarij", but even Khawarij are "believers", regardless of how misguided. Even if ISIS/Khawarij soldiers committed horrific atrocities, so long as they renounced the ISIS Caliphate before being captured, they would be welcomed back to the fold with open arms. (It should be noted that ISIS vigorously rejects being labeled Khawarij.)
So despite the desperate attempts of major Muslim apologists to brand concerned persons Islamophobes and pretend that ISIS is in no way Islamic or represents Islam, they very much are and to some extent do.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Until people like London mayor Sadiq Khan can bring themselves to utter the "A word", it's more informative to discuss what they won't say than what they will. :(
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-05-17, 17:06
So, Trump should call it Islamic terror until they drop the 'A-bomb' on these guys? Either you are a muslim, or you aren't. Either it is Islamic terror by their own admission, or it isn't. And until they actually take the symbolic steps of calling a spade-a-spade, hit the clerics were it hurts.
Moose-Knuckle
06-06-17, 04:45
I don't disagree with you in the broad sense but I've got to say yes we are. Britannia was pacified and populated before firearms became common. They lost the ability to fend for themselves, explore, the need to have those skills long before the average American. They have been raised for generations to be a subjects, not citizens. There are many here that are totally dependent on Uncle Sugar, but more that are not. We don't even need to address the firearm issue. I think we are headed the direction of Europe in the long run, but the good news is that we will be long gone by then. Of course by then there may actually be a realization of what the conflict is and it may be addressed in a very different manner by many of the players.
Conversation is good but I really doubt we have very differing opinions from each other on this subject.
Not directed at you.
But I see a lot of posts on this forum and in other social media outlets where people say something akin to "I don't feel sorry for the UK they made their bed now they can lay in it."
To a point I agree, especially on the disarmament part but just keep in mind half of our country thinks that LE is the new KKK, wear vaginas on their head in public, believe that one's sex is a construct of the mind, think that we should open our borders up to billions of people and pay their way, etc.
Not all Brits, or French, or Swedes are sheep. Those that don't toe the line are called "Nazis", "White Nationalists", etc. Same as here.
In one of the videos released from this latest ISLAMIC TERROR ATTACK, you can hear an Englishman call the terrorists "****ing muslim c**ts!" and a fellow Englishman immediately called him lout for being "islamophobic" right there as a woman was butchered in front of them by having her throat slit ear to ear by loyal followers of muhammad.
We see that same shit right here on this gun forum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro4hsTSY1JE&list=TLGGYV1UYZ-YkTgwNTA2MjAxNw
Worth a watch. A Muslim who gets it. If more Muslims like him made their voices known and loud, progress could be made. Good on him. His life also at risk. Make no about that. I suspect more like him don't make their voices known not because they support the chit heads, but because they don't want to be on the radar of the chit heads.
6;20 vid:
“Until we can separate these extremists from our community and isolate them, don’t blame the rest of society for wondering if every Muslim is an extremest when our mosques are hosting the extremists themselves”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4oZMTlJXCw
Averageman
06-06-17, 15:23
Not my favorite source bit this is rather telling...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3735570/london-bridge-attacker-youssef-zaghba-italian-flagged-british-officials-route-syria/
THE FINAL London Bridge attacker has today been revealed by terror cops as a Moroccan-Italian living in east London.
Youssef Zaghba, 22, had been arrested at Bologna Airport in March last year when he tried to travel to Syria via Turkey, Corriere Della Sera claims.
The depraved extremist along with Khuram Shazad Butt, 27, and pastry chef Rachid Redouane ploughed into pedestrians on London Bridge before hacking at revellers in Borough Market.
According to Italian website Corriere, Zaghba had an Italian mum and Moroccan dad and was born in Fez, Morocco in January 1995.
The paper said his parents had lived in the North African country before splitting up and his mum returned to Italy.
He was stopped at the airport in Bologna, where his mum lives, with just a backpack and one-way ticket to Istanbul in March 2016 and no money.
The paper claims Moroccan and "British authorities" were tipped off about his movements after he was charged and later cleared on international terrorism charges and placed on a "persons at risk" list.
But a statement from the Met's Counter-Terrorism Command say he was "not a police or MI5 subject of interest".
His phone was taken off him and according to Repubblica, photos showed a link to joining ISIS.
This information was sent by Italian authorities to "London", along with a complete dossier forwarded to MI5 - more than a year before the London terror attack, the paper reports.
Are there so many travelling to combat zones that we cannot track them, even after we detain them as suspect?
Grand58742
06-06-17, 19:15
This dude should be Mayor of London.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RNAQXl7UVv8/T8d3jNTAhpI/AAAAAAAACx4/BX2Ga6MosSg/s1600/I-kicked-burning-terrorist-so-hard-in-balls.png
Grand58742
06-06-17, 19:18
Some stories of bravery...and drunken humor at the same time.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-****-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html
Now out of the intensive care ward of St Thomas’ Hospital, where he was treated for knife wounds all over his body including his neck, the father-of-one has told The Sun how he reacted when the killers burst into the restaurant shouting “Islam, Islam” and “This is for Allah”.
“Like an idiot,” he told the newspaper, “I shouted back at them. I thought, ‘I need to take the p*** out of these b******s’.”
“I took a few steps towards them and said, ‘F*** you, I’m Millwall’. So they started attacking me.”
Mr Larner added: “I stood in front of them trying to fight them off. Everyone else ran to the back.
“I was on my own against all three of them, that’s why I got hurt so much.
“It was just me, trying to grab them with my bare hands and hold on. I was swinging.
“I got stabbed and sliced eight times. They got me in my head, chest and both hands. There was blood everywhere.
“They were saying, ‘Islam, Islam!’. I said again, ‘F*** you, I’m Millwall!’"
“It wasn’t until I was in a police car,” said Mr Larner, “That I realised I was in a bad way. I’d been sliced up all over.”
“I didn’t think of my safety at the time,” he added. “I’d had four or five pints — nothing major.
“I can handle myself. But I was out with an old person and it was out of order.”
Eurodriver
06-06-17, 19:53
Not directed at you.
But I see a lot of posts on this forum and in other social media outlets where people say something akin to "I don't feel sorry for the UK they made their bed now they can lay in it."
To a point I agree, especially on the disarmament part but just keep in mind half of our country thinks that LE is the new KKK, wear vaginas on their head in public, believe that one's sex is a construct of the mind, think that we should open our borders up to billions of people and pay their way, etc.
Not all Brits, or French, or Swedes are sheep. Those that don't toe the line are called "Nazis", "White Nationalists", etc. Same as here.
In one of the videos released from this latest ISLAMIC TERROR ATTACK, you can hear an Englishman call the terrorists "****ing muslim c**ts!" and a fellow Englishman immediately called him lout for being "islamophobic" right there as a woman was butchered in front of them by having her throat slit ear to ear by loyal followers of muhammad.
We see that same shit right here on this gun forum.
Please point out where you've seen the bold parts on this gun forum. I've been reading this forum for a while, and I haven't seen any of that shit here even once.
What I have seen is a bunch of shit like what is in my signature. A bunch of vitriol, hate, anger, and typical grouchy old men BS that has caused quite a few good folks to bounce from the forum.
I enjoy the technical forums, and drift into GD to see what kind of dumb shit is going on. What a disaster.
For example - it kills me to see so many on M4C complain that the Muslims aren't denouncing Islamic Terror (despite them holding news conferences constantly) after an attack where the attackers yell out Allah Snackbar, but when a white supremacist kills two while yelling Muslim slurs M4C doesn't even make a thread about it. How's that for a double standard? Benito was running his own damn Stormfront forum for a while and how many people called out his comments like "Kinda makes you wonder if being a Nazi is in fact a bad thing"? Didn't see any of the typical "Kill all the Muzzies" M4C posters shoot him down. If silence is now acceptance - then what does that say about this forum?
When a white army vet in Kansas kills some Indians talking about "Get out of my country", or when a bunch of white III%'ers are arrested for plotting to killing blacks, or when some dude in Colorado shoots up a planned parenthood, or when a guy blows up a daycare in Oklahoma City - they're just a bunch of crazy rando's. Isolated incidences. When it's Islam? Shit...that's an endemic issue with the religion. Every single one of them wants to kill you. There's no such thing as a peaceful Muslim - not for 1,400 years there's never been one. Let's ignore Saladin, the jizya, dhimmis, Al-Andalus (while the rest of Europe was burning witches and Jews at the stake), Dubai, Kuwait, Maldives, Jordan, etc.
My point? You are the mirror image of the people you so vehemently detest. The only difference is who you hate.
I'd like to stay out of the political threads, but I'd still be guilty of being a scumbag by association. Some good members have shot PM's over about "fighting the good fight" against the psychos on this forum lest see it taken over entirely by such individuals but I'm about at my breaking point. I have yet to see one of these threads turn into anything that doesn't involve a bitch fest about Islam. It's like some of you guys just want a Crusades 2.0.
The quickest way for Islam to completely cut ISIS off from the Muslim world would be for their ulama (high ranking religious leaders) to condemn ISIS for apostasy. After all, if ISIS truly is abhorrent to the very tenets of Islam, they would indeed be apostates. Unfortunately, the Islamic world is silent: http://www.dailywire.com/news/2161/islams-oldest-university-says-isis-are-not-james-barrett Where ISIS is not: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/14/isis-releases-apostasy-hit-list-of-21-western-muslim-leaders/
They are not silent. The media just chooses not to report it.
http://www.icna.org/u-s-muslim-religious-council-issues-fatwa-against-terrorism/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/70000-indian-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-isis-the-taliban-al-qaida-and-other-terror-groups-a6768191.html
https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistani-scholars-issue-fatwa-against-suicide-attacks/28512637.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terrorists-imams-refuse-funeral-prayer-khuram-shazad-butt-rachid-redouane-a7774291.html
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/20-million-muslims-march-against-isis/ar-AAkJ1Lu
There are a lot of really bad Muslims. From actual ISIS members to those who just condone or accept their activities. But there are far more good ones. And most of the bad oens are indeed centered int he middle east. Which drives home the point htat this is much more a cultural issue than a religious one.
I am curious to see if this is going to lead to a major split in the Muslim religion. With the are militant going one way and the rest going the other. I almost hope they do because it will make it much easier to target the bad guys.
MountainRaven
06-06-17, 20:20
It's like some of you guys just want a Crusades 2.0.
Man, guys have been talking about kicking the shit out of the "moose-limbs" ever since 9/11. None of them have bothered to paint a giant cross on their plate carrier and declare a holy war to retake the Holy Land from the pagan saracens.
In the words of my (our?) generation: No balls.
vicious_cb
06-06-17, 20:52
It's like some of you guys just want a Crusades 2.0.
https://i.imgflip.com/1gbald.jpg
but when a white supremacist kills two while yelling Muslim slurs M4C doesn't even make a thread about it. How's that for a double standard?
If it makes you feel better, that psycho is a grade A POS who killed two "decent folks" who tried to come to the rescue of the girls. I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere already.
And again, if you are gonna go all "fight the jihadist" then go down and deal with the hardliners at a mosque preaching serious hate, messing with some girls on the bus is as pathetic as messing with some girls on the bus.
SeriousStudent
06-06-17, 21:14
Gentlemen, let us maintain a polite and civilized discourse.
I think if we were all sitting around a campfire, we would raise a glass to the brave, and mourn the murdered.
Evil has many faces, and dons many clothes. Let us remember we are friends, and not enemies.
Thank you all.
Euro - Well said.
Steyr - I'm sure you are aware that three men were involved, two died, the third was severely injured. The POS who did it was unrepentant:
"Think I stab (expletives) in the neck for fun? Oh yeah, you're right I do. I'm a patriot."
His recorded statements in the police car were revealed in an affidavit released Tuesday.
"That's what liberalism gets you," he was recorded saying.
"I hope they all die. I'm gonna say that on the stand. I'm a patriot, and I hope everyone I stabbed died."
Euro - Well said.
Steyr - I'm sure you are aware that three men were involved, two died, the third was severely injured. The POS who did it was unrepentant:
"Think I stab (expletives) in the neck for fun? Oh yeah, you're right I do. I'm a patriot."
His recorded statements in the police car were revealed in an affidavit released Tuesday.
"That's what liberalism gets you," he was recorded saying.
"I hope they all die. I'm gonna say that on the stand. I'm a patriot, and I hope everyone I stabbed died."
Yeah, I sorta forgot the other guy. I had the two who died on my mind. The perp is a Manson class POS, you only need to listen to him talk for 60 seconds to learn everything you need to know about him.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-07-17, 01:22
We have had discussions here about the difference between crazy, mentally unstable and people involved in terror to further an agenda. The Pulse Nightclub shooter, the NC Church shooter were seriously troubled people who wrapped their crazy around a movement. The ISIS and the KKK had little to actually do with them. The Colorado Planned Parenthood shooter- goofier than a three dollar bill and found to be so by anyone that talked to him and by the courts. San Bernardino- not much 'crazy' there. Maybe you could put the Portland guy in that same level of 'true believer', but it he didn't plan his violence.
but when a white supremacist kills two while yelling Muslim slurs M4C doesn't even make a thread about it.
You mean the Bernie/Pohahontas fanboy? Yeah, model supremacist there. Have you noted his social media trail?
Regardless, if you're seriously going to try to draw some sort of moral and behavioral equivalence between the jihadis and nearly anyone else, then congratulations, you are part of the problem.
Again, attempting to steer this conversation back to the original topic and not how the big bang theory of religious hatred.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575570/Millwall-fan-tells-fought-London-Bridge-terrorists.html
The drunk soccer fan who fought the terrorists with his bare hand. I don't want anyone to misunderstand me when I said he's drunk, there was no insult or negative intent, he was in a bar, what do you expect. I applaud his actions. He's a hero in my book.
Let's see how long before others will lead this down hill again.
Eurodriver
06-07-17, 06:38
Again, attempting to steer this conversation back to the original topic and not how the big bang theory of religious hatred.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575570/Millwall-fan-tells-fought-London-Bridge-terrorists.html
The drunk soccer fan who fought the terrorists with his bare hand. I don't want anyone to misunderstand me when I said he's drunk, there was no insult or negative intent, he was in a bar, what do you expect. I applaud his actions. He's a hero in my book.
Let's see how long before others will lead this down hill again.
Definitely still good folks out there.
I'm actually looking forward to the movie about the Americans who fought the crazy Islamic dude on a train with an AK.
Definitely still good folks out there.
I'm actually looking forward to the movie about the Americans who fought the crazy Islamic dude on a train with an AK.
Actually?
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Eurodriver
06-07-17, 06:50
Actually?
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Totally.
To both of you - do you agree Islamic terror is something that we need to fight and destroy?
If yes, how much time have you spent fighting Islamic militants? Feel free to use time in months, years, number of deployments, or confirmed kill counts.
If no, why not?
Regards,
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All the terrorists.
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WOW!
I am always amazed at how this kind of thread goes off the tracks.
I am an Orthodox Jew, which means I am stuck in the middle of wonderful people. Neo Nazi's KKK types on one side and the vast majority of Muslims on the other side.
I am so tired of people saying yeah what about this or that, when on a specific subject. Life is lived in gray and not black and white, so guys get perspective.
Crusades's, not a fan Jews were murdered and raped long before the mob left Europe.
Muslim mobs murdering the Jews that lived in various Middle East countries after Rome threw us out of our country.
So my concern about peoples thinking on this subject, is that it turns into yeah X group engages in terrorism, but so does Y group. This is a type of thinking that has infected the country and will keep us from fighting terror effectively.
I after living this war a lot longer than everyone here, still can't separate a good Muslim from a bad one. Because a so called bad one can do something on a given day that speaks to his humanity and then he can go out and engage in unspeakable violence against innocent people.
I offer in evidence Hitler home movies where he looked like he could be a fun guy to hang with, at the same time his genocide machine was murdering millions. I also will note many serial murder suspects are very engaging and fun to be around.
So in closing a terrorist is a terrorist and we must take actions against them. But today the primary source of terrorism in the world is Islam, not racist in the KKK.
If gun guys can't wrap their head around the facts, then we have little hope as a country and more innocents will be murdered. Little does it matter if the person that kills you is BLM, Muslim, KKK, AntiFa, or the grannies movement to liberate the old folks home.
All the terrorists.
You will lose.
The sea that terrorist swim in, is more important than the terrorist.
You will lose.
The sea that terrorist swim in, is more important than the terrorist.
I think you're missing that it's a tongue in cheek comment.
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Averageman
06-07-17, 08:42
Interesting development;
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/06/07/several-wounded-by-gunmen-in-attacks-on-iran-parliament-tomb-reports/
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Gunmen and suicide bombers attacked Iran’s parliament and the shrine of its revolutionary leader on Wednesday, killing at least 12 people, wounding dozens and igniting an hours-long siege at the legislature that ended with four attackers dead.
The Islamic State group claimed the attacks, marking the first time the Sunni extremists have taken responsibility for an assault in Shiite-majority Iran. The militants are at war with Iranian-backed forces in Syria and Iraq, and view Shiites as apostates.
The attacks began midmorning when assailants armed with Kalashnikov rifles stormed the parliament building. One of the attackers later blew himself up inside, where a session had been in progress, according to a statement carried by Iran’s state TV.
Iran vs ISIS?
Didn't take long as I predicted. Everybody go to your corner for a break.
You people haven't seen this in the news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1RB0hXKIpM
Didn't take long as I predicted. Everybody go to your corner for a break.
You people haven't seen this in the news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1RB0hXKIpM
Wish there was more intel to that. No text below it, nadda as to where it came from. A rally in reaction to recent attacks?
Whiskey_Bravo
06-07-17, 11:53
Wish there was more intel to that. No text below it, nadda as to where it came from. A rally in reaction to recent attacks?
Saw somewhere else but can't remember but I believe it was a group of British First guys after the recent attack. At least that's what the FB post said when I saw it.
Wish there was more intel to that. No text below it, nadda as to where it came from. A rally in reaction to recent attacks?
I first saw it on twitter. It is supposed to be right after the recent van/knives attack. But snopes said it is not. But we know that snopes is a left wing group. So who knows. It sounded good. Maybe I was a victim of twitter fake news.
http://www.snopes.com/london-donald-trump-sadiq-khan-london-mayor/
Snopes called those people right wing extremist group. LOL.
Buzzfeed's report. Apparently this happened in March; a counter-protest to an anti-racism rally:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/janelytvynenko/no-londoners-didnt-chant-donald-trump-we-love-you-after-the?utm_term=.hqA82wr0x#.sgpYxklrO
Well there you go. I got faked news.
Meanwhile in London...
Apparently the solution to further vehicle attacks is putting up barricades everywhere....
https://www.rt.com/uk/382307-bollards-barricades-london-security/
:rolleyes:
Coupled with the current London mayor telling everyone to just "get used to it" (sounds familiar- I think there was a gov. official in Sweden[?] recently said more or less the same thing...).
As the old song went "...and an ambulance down in the valley..."
Meanwhile in London...
Apparently the solution to further vehicle attacks is putting up barricades everywhere....
https://www.rt.com/uk/382307-bollards-barricades-london-security/
:rolleyes:
Coupled with the current London mayor telling everyone to just "get used to it" (sounds familiar- I think there was a gov. official in Sweden[?] recently said more or less the same thing...).
As the old song went "...and an ambulance down in the valley..."
We have been doing this here in the US for years. Many stores, and almost all banks have then on the sidewalks in front. You just don't notice them. Those big read balls in front of and to the side of target? Yep that is what they are really for.
Eurodriver
06-07-17, 16:28
We have been doing this here in the US for years. Many stores, and almost all banks have then on the sidewalks in front. You just don't notice them. Those big read balls in front of and to the side of target? Yep that is what they are really for.
Except Target does it to prevent robberies - not terrorist attacks.
Government buildings are a different animal and became SOP after that crazy right wing white guy blew up the federal building in OKC.
Whiskey_Bravo
06-07-17, 16:29
Barriers are all good by me. Will give me something to jump behind when I am there in a couple of months.
Outlander Systems
06-07-17, 20:00
Andreas Strassmeir?
Except Target does it to prevent robberies - not terrorist attacks.
Government buildings are a different animal and became SOP after that crazy right wing white guy blew up the federal building in OKC.
Eurodriver
06-08-17, 04:07
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/london-bridge-attack-british-imams-refuse-to-perform-funerals-for-attackers/
130 British imams refuse to perform funerals for London, Manchester attackers
"We are deeply hurt that a spate of terror attacks have been committed in our country once more by murderers who seek to gain religious legitimacy for their actions. We seek to clarify that their reprehensible actions have neither legitimacy nor our sympathy," the statement put out by the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), an umbrella body representing over 500 organizations, read.
"Consequently, and in light of other such ethical principles which are quintessential to Islam, we will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators and we also urge fellow imams and religious authorities to withdraw such a privilege. This is because such indefensible actions are completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam," the statement continued.
They expressed "shock and utter disgust" at Saturday's "cold-blooded murders," and said the actions of the attackers "alienates them from any association with our community for whom the inviolability of every human life is the founding principle (Q.5:32)."
The 130 leaders commended London's police and emergency services, saying, "their response exemplifies the courage, humanity and honour we must exhibit in such difficult times."
Good for them.
Moose-Knuckle
06-08-17, 04:29
I'm sure this will garner support from a few here . . .
Nothing like ignoring radical jihadist rhetoric that goes unabated on social media, failing to do anything about known terrorist operating within your borders, and diverting resources to root out your own citizens who are fed up with the official politically correct narrative.
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That story was exactly what I thought of when I read the interview. This is what happens when leftists have complete control.
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Moose-Knuckle
06-08-17, 04:59
That story was exactly what I thought of when I read the interview. This is what happens when leftists have complete control.
They prove Orwell's theories every single day.
Gulag system, thought police, and indoctrinated citizens reporting on fellow citizens because they don't toe the line with the state propaganda.
saw they arrested 25 folks since the attack on Sat though for hate speech ?
reckon it to be true sadly
I like the we cant afford to watch them BUT we can afford to give em 14,000pounds so they can make a bomb and kill our own ! like the one guy !
we can feed them we can house them we can give them cell phones and cars and money for school and clothing and health care and spending money
but we cant watch em
well they hired a muslim mayor !!! haahah what did they expect isnt it awesome being so cool and multi cultural
I'm sure this will garner support from a few here . . .
Nothing like ignoring radical jihadist rhetoric that goes unabated on social media, failing to do anything about known terrorist operating within your borders, and diverting resources to root out your own citizens who are fed up with the official politically correct narrative.
saw they arrested 25 folks since the attack on Sat though for hate speech ?
reckon it to be true sadly
I like the we cant afford to watch them BUT we can afford to give em 14,000pounds so they can make a bomb and kill our own ! like the one guy !
we can feed them we can house them we can give them cell phones and cars and money for school and clothing and health care and spending money
but we cant watch em
well they hired a muslim mayor !!! haahah what did they expect isnt it awesome being so cool and multi cultural
The UK is NOT a free society. They are subjects of a monarchy and do not have the right of free speech like we do in America. They do not have the right to own firearms for defense and even knives are severely restricted. They are the most heavily spied upon citizenry in the "free world". Yet somehow they can't manage to stop know radical Islamic terrorists from committing attacks?
Apparently the one right they do have, is the right to fall prey to violent savages. :(
The UK is NOT a free society. They are subjects of a monarchy and do not have the right of free speech like we do in America. They do not have the right to own firearms for defense and even knives are severely restricted. They are the most heavily spied upon citizenry in the "free world". Yet somehow they can't manage to stop know radical Islamic terrorists from committing attacks?
Apparently the one right they do have, is the right to fall prey to violent savages. :(
True to an extent. The Monarchy is nothing more than a figurehead though. The reality is that it is differences in our constitution that sets our countries apart. The harsh truth is that we are not that far off though. Ok yeah we have the RTKABA but we can't ignore the constant erosion of our rights, moving us towards the same issue they have over there. Monitoring of citizens, increased regulations and monitoring of financial transactions, the list goes on.
We are more free in some ways and less in others. Same can be said over there.
A quick and incomplete list of their listed rights. Overall very similar to ours with some enumerated that we don't and others obviously missing.
Right to life
Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Freedom of expression
Freedom of assembly and association
Right to respect for privacy and the home
Prohibition of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment
Right to liberty
Rights of fair trial
Moose-Knuckle
06-08-17, 12:39
saw they arrested 25 folks since the attack on Sat though for hate speech ?
reckon it to be true sadly
I like the we cant afford to watch them BUT we can afford to give em 14,000pounds so they can make a bomb and kill our own ! like the one guy !
we can feed them we can house them we can give them cell phones and cars and money for school and clothing and health care and spending money
but we cant watch em
well they hired a muslim mayor !!! haahah what did they expect isnt it awesome being so cool and multi cultural
And it's not just the Metropolitan Police of greater London . . .
I have no doubt had Hillary won we would see sweeping regulation censoring the First Amendment on the internet in the same vain.
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