View Full Version : Knife attack "terrorism" at Flint airport 6/21
SomeOtherGuy
06-21-17, 13:07
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-21/officer-stabbing-flint-airport-allahu-akbar-shouting-canadian-investigated-act-terro
The aloha-snackbar makes it sound like terrorism. Details are still coming in. Maybe it was something in the water? :sarcastic:
Flint Bishop airport is a fairly heavily-used airport, not only for Flint but for much of metro Detroit - it's about the same distance from northern Detroit suburbs as the main airport (DTW) and is much smaller with easier everything. Although it is Flint's airport, it's a somewhat different world than most of the City of Flint.
Wednesday morning's incident at Bishop airport in Flint, Michigan, in which an airport officer was stabbed in the neck is being investigated as a possible act of terrorism according to Federal investigators.
Lieutenant Jeff Neville, who retired from the Genesee County Sheriff's Office, was stabbed in the neck and is listed in stable condition. Sources cited by ABC say Neville was at his post at the top of the escalators at Bishop when he was attacked from behind with a larger knife, similar to a Bowie knife.
No terrorism, only anger management issue of an Amish.
Seriously, I do notice that they are getting a little quicker to say 'investigating as a possible terrorist attack.'
Wonder how the 'terrorist' ended up alive? Was the Lt. the only security at that point? If not, weren't the other security armed?
Knife attack, shouts of 'allah akbar' should equall head shots to preclude a detonation if possible, shouldn't it?
SomeOtherGuy
06-21-17, 20:53
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2017/06/flint_bishop_airport_slasher_i.html
The affidavit from FBI Special Agent Thomas M. Sondgeroth says an officer who observed the attack on police officer Jeff Neville told him Ftouhi used a large knife to stab the victim.
Ftouhi yelled "Allahu Akbar" -- "Allah is the greatest" -- before making the attack, according to the affidavit.
After stabbing the officer in the neck, Ftouhi continued to yell, "Allah," several times, Sondgeroth's statement says.
"He further exclaimed something similar to, 'you have killed people in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and we are all going to die.' "
Waiting for the apologists to say this has nothing to do with terrorism...
Don't worry guys. This is much ado about nothing. It's the new normal. Keep alarm levels low, and do not beware of your surroundings. It's no biggy. Be prepared to share hugs, hashtags, and fake prayers.
Moose-Knuckle
06-22-17, 04:28
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4283/34632350223_bba32c48a2.jpg
Averageman
06-22-17, 07:18
I've often wondered what would happen if radical Christians performed attacks like this in places like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Quatar?
How quick would trials be, how quickly would there be threats of Military action and how would the MSM deal with it?
I would never call for such action, but I noticed the Mayor of London and their Media react remarkably differently when calling something "Terror".
For the most part the hypocrisy goes unchallenged.
SomeOtherGuy
06-22-17, 08:02
Don't worry guys. This is much ado about nothing. It's the new normal. Keep alarm levels low, and do not beware of your surroundings.
FYI, as I tried to mention in the first post, this is a midsize and very mundane airport. Previous to this I doubt anyone thought any form of terrorism was a real risk here, and if any few did, they were probably focused on the standard TSA type concerns. This is not like JFK or LAX where it's a huge airport with tons of foreign visitors and 747s coming through and a perception of heightened risk due to the size and global prominence. This is an airport that I'll bet most of you didn't know existed.
I don't think Flint was any particular focus, rather I think it highlights the randomness of current lone-nut type attacks.
SomeOtherGuy - I think that the point being made is that regardless of location, population density, etc. We need to keep our SA at an acceptable level. Perhaps the Lt. had the mindset that TXBK described, perhaps he didn't, we don't know. I am super grateful he survived and last I heard was in stable condition.
The first officer killed summary I ever heard read at roll call way back in 1976, involved a town Marshal in Leoti, KS. It is a town with a population of 1,500ish, in a sparsely populated county in western Kansas. That certainly made my rookie ass think 'yeah, shit happens EVERYPLACE.'
I didn't intend to insinuate that the officer was somehow "asleep on the job" or not being aware of his surroundings. He was ambushed by a coward. I believe that the time came long ago to not trust certain people not just in this country but anywhere. Part of SA includes profiling potential VCA. Call me a bigot, or whatever you want, but anyone I feel could be a member of the "religion of peace" is a potential VCA. I wonder if there is video surveillance of the incident. I wonder how quickly the VCA revealed his intentions (what his hands were doing), and what the officer could have done to counter the attack.
My comments were aimed more that those in this country that want to coexist with people, like this, that have no intentions or desires to coexist. People and courts that want to stand in the way of slowing down or even stopping the flow of such people into this country. People that are allowing areas of this country to taken over by these zealots, and allow this type of behavior to fester. The MSM want to act all concerned when something like this happens, yet they oppose any and all steps that we need to take to stop it.
I didn't intend to insinuate that the officer was somehow "asleep on the job" or not being aware of his surroundings. He was ambushed by coward. I believe that the time came long ago to not trust certain people not just in this country but anywhere. .
The growing number of green on blue incidents has me concerned, soldiers can't be vigilant 24x7 while developing trust relationships with indigenous troops.
My immediate reaction is to want to declare that place not worth spending US lives on. I know that is the wrong answer, but...
Without a doubt, airport areas outside the security zone are the new trouble area. Crowds, queues, etc. All unscreened. Same for sporting events and concerts.
...My comments were aimed more that those in this country that want to coexist with people, like this, that have no intentions or desires to coexist...
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SomeOtherGuy
06-22-17, 16:10
SomeOtherGuy - I think that the point being made is that regardless of location, population density, etc. We need to keep our SA at an acceptable level. Perhaps the Lt. had the mindset that TXBK described, perhaps he didn't, we don't know. I am super grateful he survived and last I heard was in stable condition.
And just to clarify I wasn't disagreeing with that message, I was trying to amplify it. I'm trying to convey that this airport is a place where you would worry about your car getting broken into, maybe a small chance of pick-pocketing or theft of luggage, but not much else. It is exactly the kind of place where most people would let their guard down. Even I would, at least before this.
Many of us who don't have to live in or visit dangerous or crime-ridden areas don't, and get nice and comfortable in our low-crime-area bubble. I'm guilty of this to an extent. I'm simply agreeing that you shouldn't get TOO comfortable even in such areas.
Personally, I expect more small airport attacks. ATL has security carrying suppressed M4s (or what ever the issue weapon is).
Flint is likely much less secure and I expect that the whole tsa process is much less robust. Our local airport does not seem to have but one local officer on hand.
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Personally, I expect more small airport attacks. ATL has security carrying suppressed M4s (or what ever the issue weapon is).
Flint is likely much less secure and I expect that the whole tsa process is much less robust. Our local airport does not seem to have but one local officer on hand.
When my wife and I came back from St. Thomas in January the Nashville airport police were sporting LWRCI M6 SPR's (with the spiral fluted barrels) and RDS. I was talking to one of them while waiting for baggage and he said the "show of force" (there were several of them in a group standing there) was in part due to that shithead at the Ft. Lauderdale airport not long before.
SomeOtherGuy
06-22-17, 20:34
More info. Looks like the guy tried to buy a gun at a gun show but was denied because he's not a US citizen. So he bought a knife instead.
http://www.macombdaily.com/article/20170622/NEWS/170629825
Happy Ramadan.
It's almost like it's predictable.
Moose-Knuckle
06-23-17, 05:11
I'm trying to convey that this airport is a place where you would worry about your car getting broken into, maybe a small chance of pick-pocketing or theft of luggage, but not much else. It is exactly the kind of place where most people would let their guard down. Even I would, at least before this.
I've never been to Michigan but I'm not ignorant to the laws of probability. You a massive islamic population in Dearborn which spills over to other cities. Before this knife attack at the Flint airport the Feds executed a raid at a home in Dearborn on June 5th citing "National Security".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O4zk6DSzg0
I live pretty damn close to the airport. It is a lil fella for sure. As far as Mi. and our islamic/middle eastern population. I do not think it is as big of deal as most people make it out to be. They have been here for a long long time and are pretty rooted. Most all of them pay taxes and own businesses. They also are pretty active at weeding out the bad crowds or giving tips to authorities on bad apples. They are not isis or whatever. I honestly feel like most the terrorists would rather be somewhere where they are a lot more low key and not noticed. It would be like me living it up in Rochester or Bloomfield Hills. I am a country boy always have been. But just because I look like them does not mean they would not notice me in minutes.
This shit is just going to get worse, these little random attacks. Keep your head on a swivel.
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