View Full Version : New Kac Sr-16 uppers coming...
rapomstage3
06-22-17, 08:37
This is legit. No further details
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad301/rapomstage3/5612D00E-EF64-4DE2-96B2-4FEF5C4B0B16.jpg (http://s946.photobucket.com/user/rapomstage3/media/5612D00E-EF64-4DE2-96B2-4FEF5C4B0B16.jpg.html)
BangBang77
06-22-17, 09:12
Yeah, I saw this on Instagram this morning. I'm in for one.
Definitely interested. Standing by for details.....
We will be stocking them!
C4
Given the "CQB" mark I'm guessing some kind of SBR upper?
methical20
06-22-17, 13:50
Grant, do you know if this is a limited run?
Is the only difference the BCG?
Grant, do you know if this is a limited run?
Is the only difference the BCG?
Yes it is. Not sure on the BCG.
C4
Given the "CQB" mark I'm guessing some kind of SBR upper?
Yes.
CQB = 11.5"
jcalvert86
06-22-17, 16:19
Any real pro/con to grabbing one of these over a hodge 12.5 for dedicated suppressor use?
Any real pro/con to grabbing one of these over a hodge 12.5 for dedicated suppressor use?
It will likely exist. Everything Hodge seems almost fantastic, but so few exist in the wild.
Jwknutson17
06-22-17, 18:03
Interested in what the difference will be besides the markings. E3 would designate the E3 bolt so I am assuming no change there. I will pass if the only difference is a 5 changing to a 6. I'm sure the collectibility will be there for some.
I'd like to know what the major differences are too. In particular:
1) Any change to gas port size?
2) Any changes to the BCG? I have heard of SR-16's having chromed bolts and carbon cutter bolt carriers, but I'm not sure if either of those features are dependent on special requests or if they are standard to SR-16.
methical20
06-22-17, 18:18
I'd like to know what the major differences are too. In particular:
1) Any change to gas port size?
2) Any changes to the BCG? I have heard of SR-16's having chromed bolts and carbon cutter bolt carriers, but I'm not sure if either of those features are dependent on special requests or if they are standard to SR-16.
Those are standard to the 16. I would bet that the carrier will be a carbon cutter carrier and the bolt will be chromed. Obviously the marking on the side will say 16 instead of 15.
Jwknutson17
06-22-17, 18:24
The carbon cutter carrier like the SR25s have would be interesting. The gas port on the Mod 2 CQB is already decent from what I measure. With the thousands of rounds through my CQB Mod 2s suppressed, I have yet to feel the need for improvement. I don't know if I would buy a marked SR16 Upper unless it was a deal, came with a MAMS, carbon cutter carrier (didn't know this was a thing on 5.56's ??), and also had a even smaller port for more of a dedicated suppressed role. Take out one of those out of the mix and I would probably pass. These are my initial thoughts. Could be persuaded though.
rapomstage3
06-22-17, 23:30
Mine is mod 1 config. Similar to Secret service models. No carbon cutter bolt. The barrels are the same as the cqb sr-15 and that is fact. No change to the gas port or thickness. But it runs fellas. So you've got a chrome bolt and sr-16 makings. Mine came with an Nt4 Flash hider as well . No telling what they'll command for price but we will see.
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad301/rapomstage3/SR15/81BC7759-1BAC-43A0-AF13-6917450D73AE.jpg (http://s946.photobucket.com/user/rapomstage3/media/SR15/81BC7759-1BAC-43A0-AF13-6917450D73AE.jpg.html)
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rapomstage3
06-22-17, 23:32
http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad301/rapomstage3/SR15/CD3FAC1E-59B0-4CD8-BA9E-A81A618BDE72.jpg (http://s946.photobucket.com/user/rapomstage3/media/SR15/CD3FAC1E-59B0-4CD8-BA9E-A81A618BDE72.jpg.html)
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This had been some time in the works and I'm excited for it.
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firefighter37
06-23-17, 04:19
Any timeline on when they will be available, and i'm sure Jack would be able to give us more details.
LOL! I had my SR15 bolt hard chromed by Metaloy (extractor too, unlike the one in the pic above).
Yes it is. Not sure on the BCG.
C4
Damn limited runs... Most comments on IG are indicating that many people expect these to be stripped uppers. Is it definitely more than that?
I find those markings oddly specific to be stripped uppers. Seems weird.
I can say they aren't stripped uppers. But I'm not sure what else I can say about them.
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rapomstage3
06-23-17, 15:17
I bet they'll be factory sbrs with some uppers at some point. Just a guess.
Thanks for the info rapomstage3.
I've been jumping across three threads on two forums for more info on these.
Just to clarify, because I'm not sure if I interpreted correctly, the Bolt Carrier on these will be just like the current SR-15 bolt carriers right? The chrome bolt itself will be the only difference on the BCG?
I also wonder if these will be Mod 2 uppers or will they be Mod 1 with URX 3.1.
rapomstage3
06-23-17, 16:35
Until a Kac rep speaks up somewhere then it's all speculation. I think the hype building is part of the plan. Personally I love the mod 1 cqb. I was so happy to find out that's what I was getting. I have nothing against any other model but there's a special place in my heart for the urx3.1. If I didn't mention it already my sr16 upper runs like raped ape with a vltor a5h3. Semi, full and suppressed. Also the handguard handles the heat very well.
hotrodder636
06-23-17, 18:18
Aww hell, that will go well with the rest of my KAC stuff!
Grant please let us know details and when/if you will be taking preorders.
I'll be in for one if it's more than just a chromed bolt.
Boba Fett v2
06-24-17, 13:51
In for one for sure.
Spin Drift
06-24-17, 16:57
I can say they aren't stripped uppers. But I'm not sure what else I can say about them.
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KAC tease.
Needs FSGB.
Bah
But I'd buy one though.
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I bet they are a URX 3.1 with a sand cut carrier and a NT4 FH installed. Goodbye...
Jwknutson17
06-25-17, 00:54
I think a .065 or less port 11.5, mod 2 gas, cut carrier with a URX3.1 rail and a MAMS for my QDC cans... that I would buy. I'm interested in what is going to be offered, but I'm Pretty specific on my needs these days...
I think a .065 or less port 11.5, mod 2 gas, cut carrier with a URX3.1 rail and a MAMS for my QDC cans... that I would buy. I'm interested in what is going to be offered, but I'm Pretty specific on my needs these days...
It would definitely need to have a smaller port for me to buy.
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I thought KAC's had one of the best gas systems available. Why does everyone want a smaller port if its so good already?
The KAC CQB 11.5" uses a carbine length gas system.
I'm not going to post the the GP dimension of the CQB, because I've been asked not to.
Out of all GPs on commercial factory 11.5" guns, the KAC is the smallest.
This does not mean it's as small as it could be.
Official Kremlin Transmission
How bout some URX2s, yeah thats a great idea!
And some integrated rear sights as well.
I also need P/N 25847 aka EM can
It was posted as"gov spec" I would expect it to be just that.
A CQB SR16 upper. It will be a URX4.
Only things to speculate on would be will it come with BUIS, is it going to be Key-Mod? or M-lok. Sadly I think Key mod.
rapomstage3
06-26-17, 09:24
So what is gov spec? All I see being used is mod -1 gas systems with urx 2 and 3.1 handguards. It won't be keymod guaranteed.
It was posted as"gov spec" I would expect it to be just that.
A CQB SR16 upper. It will be a URX4.
Only things to speculate on would be will it come with BUIS, is it going to be Key-Mod? or M-lok. Sadly I think Key mod.
It will not be URX4.
As an aside regarding the GP has anyone gone through the trouble of machining a mod 2 GB for a insertable port?
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It will not be URX4.
As an aside regarding the GP has anyone gone through the trouble of machining a mod 2 GB for a insertable port?
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Do you know for a fact that it won't be a URX 4?
Not doubting you, genuinely curious.
For some reason, I don't think that they would offer a Mod 2 gas Upper with anything other than URX 4. If it were to come with a URX 3.1, I think it would have the older Mod 1 gas system. This is all guessing on my part.
From my limited feedback that is not first hand, so keep that in mind, I would hope the base upper offering includes some of the features seen from Redback One SR-16 CQB's that they use during some training.
It will not be URX4.
As an aside regarding the GP has anyone gone through the trouble of machining a mod 2 GB for a insertable port?
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I have been thinking about trying this.
From my limited feedback that is not first hand, so keep that in mind, I would hope the base upper offering includes some of the features seen from Redback One SR-16 CQB's that they use during some training.
Which "features"?
RBO CQB is just a SR16 Mod 2 MLOK, if I'm not mistaken.
Jwknutson17
06-26-17, 22:04
It will not be URX4.
As an aside regarding the GP has anyone gone through the trouble of machining a mod 2 GB for a insertable port?
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The GB port is angled so would be kind of tough.. but could be done.
Jwknutson17
06-26-17, 22:39
Not sure why they couldn't do the Mod2 gas with 3.1. These photos are of one of mine. And a disassembled Mod 2.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah294/jwknutson17/IMG_3257_zpsq0rnucw0.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/jwknutson17/media/IMG_3257_zpsq0rnucw0.png.html)
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Jwknutson17
06-26-17, 23:09
I thought KAC's had one of the best gas systems available. Why does everyone want a smaller port if its so good already?
Suppressed use. Or for those who run only 5.56 full pressure ammo.
The GB port is angled so would be kind of tough.. but could be done.
Copy. I did not know that. With spare GBs available for purchase it would seem more advantageous to trying.
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So if it's not going to be what KAC lists as their current SR16 CQB, what are some other "Gov Spec" variations?
Does anyone have pictures of guns and who purchased them? I saw reference to secret service and did some searching, seems they have the URX II?
I'd be in for a M-lok URX4, and likely a URX II. I have a clone upper I built with a URX II take off from my SR15 upper, and a BCM CHF 11.5" barrel, this upper sits on my KAC lower I built as a pistol. I would still consider grabbing one of these uppers though.
URX 3.1 is not my cup and tea, and I really despise KeyMod after getting into M-lok. So with a Key mod URX4, which is what KAC lists on their SR16 upper, I'm out too.
DreadPirateMoyer
06-27-17, 12:48
Really sad I won't have the money to snag one of these for a year or two. Been one of my dream guns. :(
lahunter57
06-27-17, 20:53
I wish someone would spill the beans on when we're going to see these
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I wish someone would spill the beans on when we're going to see these
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I feel the same way. Why the secrecy?
It's called "marketing hype".
You kids should try some patience.
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lahunter57
06-28-17, 17:23
It's called "marketing hype".
You kids should try some patience.
Official Kremlin Transmission
Patience? Never heard of her.
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I guess with this thread slowing, everyone's aware of the details of the release.
lahunter57
07-08-17, 17:15
I guess with this thread slowing, everyone's aware of the details of the release.
No? Did I miss something?
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URX 3.1
No chrome bolt
No sand cutter carrier
I don't have an image hosting service anymore, so I can't post the pic.
No? Did I miss something?
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Some folks got all butt hurt because the specs aren't what they thought they should be, because they fully understand how gov contracting works...
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Jwknutson17
07-08-17, 18:50
URX 3.1
No chrome bolt
No sand cutter carrier
I don't have an image hosting service anymore, so I can't post the pic.
Mod1 or 2 gas system?
Not scooter but it's mod 1.
Pricing is solid though.
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hotrodder636
07-08-17, 20:12
Still a good package even without the chromed bolt and sand cutter carrier. Arent those items one could get and add if so desired?
Still a good package even without the chromed bolt and sand cutter carrier. Arent those items one could get and add if so desired?
Not that you will see often. I have seen 1 chrome e3 bolt for sale
And the reason guys are butthurt is because this is an sr15 mod1 with sr16 inscribed on it. The two things that are generally recognized as differentiating the sr16 and sr15 are not there...but i am probably going to order one
hotrodder636
07-08-17, 21:25
I can understand the frustration...if called an SR16, I would think it would have most if not all of those features but that likely is the result of the government order being sold commercially.
Not that you will see often. I have seen 1 chrome e3 bolt for sale
And the reason guys are butthurt is because this is an sr15 mod1 with sr16 inscribed on it. The two things that are generally recognized as differentiating the sr16 and sr15 are not there...but i am probably going to order one
Jwknutson17
07-08-17, 22:36
I personally think this is more for the folks that missed out on the last of the mod1 sales. I won't be ordering one myself as I have my mod1s already and don't care it says SR16. But with the NT4 and for 1400-1500 bucks, it's a pretty solid deal.
lahunter57
07-09-17, 08:11
I'm down for a Mod 1, I have a 16" and have been looking to have a matching SBR. Who are these going to be available through?
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I'm down for a Mod 1, I have a 16" and have been looking to have a matching SBR. Who are these going to be available through?
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Grant at G&R is going to stock them per his post earlier in the thread.
I would like to know the GP diameter
Still a good package even without the chromed bolt and sand cutter carrier. Arent those items one could get and add if so desired?
I had the E3 bolt from my SR15 hard chromed by Metaloy, to include the extractor, which even the .gov SR16 doesn't have chromed (it looks phosphate).
We'll that was underwhelming.
It's a blem outdated sr15 upper that says SR16 with "commercial" then added on to it?
1500$ also seems like a lot for discontinued blem uppers they are trying to liquidate. 1000$-1200$ seems more reasonable.
I'm out
PatrioticDisorder
07-09-17, 20:59
We'll that was underwhelming.
It's a blem outdated sr15 upper that says SR16 with "commercial" then added on to it?
1500$ also seems like a lot for discontinued blem uppers they are trying to liquidate. 1000$-1200$ seems more reasonable.
I'm out
I'm sure every single one of them is already spoken for and would have been at a higher price. My favorite rifle has an 11.5 mod 1 upper on it, I know many people prefer mod 1 over mod 2.
We'll that was underwhelming.
It's a blem outdated sr15 upper that says SR16 with "commercial" then added on to it?
1500$ also seems like a lot for discontinued blem uppers they are trying to liquidate. 1000$-1200$ seems more reasonable.
I'm out
Can't make everyone happy... [emoji57]
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I'm sure every single one of them is already spoken for and would have been at a higher price. My favorite rifle has an 11.5 mod 1 upper on it, I know many people prefer mod 1 over mod 2.
Can't make everyone happy... [emoji57]
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Absolutely true. For some these will be a great upper and a great deal. Just not my cup of tea.
I bought a 200$ KAC lower, to some that was craziness and it should have been 100$. To me it was that rare and a great match for my SR16 URX II CQB clone upper.
To each their own I am sure this is many people dream come true. It is a great upper, it just doesn't strike me a special.
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