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President Donald Trump delivered strong speech in very particular place in Warsaw. It was very important for Poland, but also beyond. It is well worth listening to whole speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYZCtfIPsEQ
BTW Do not believe in Fake Media narrative of people being forced to attend, or that Poland do not approve Trump. This is just pure gold BS. No POTUS was so popular in Poland since Ronald Reagan.
I still say we should move all of our military assets out of Germany and relocate them and the money they bring to Poland. We have had no better ally from Continental Europe since the fall of the Iron Curtain than Poland.
I still say we should move all of our military assets out of Germany and relocate them and the money they bring to Poland. We have had no better ally from Continental Europe since the fall of the Iron Curtain than Poland.
Easier to say than to do. The joint training area in Bavaria is key for our European operations as well as Middle East/Africa ready response. And would be hard to duplicate elsewhere.
Not impossible, just hard and expensive. And might not achieve the effect with the Germans you are hoping for.
Easier to say than to do. The joint training area in Bavaria is key for our European operations as well as Middle East/Africa ready response. And would be hard to duplicate elsewhere.
Not impossible, just hard and expensive. And might not achieve the effect with the Germans you are hoping for.
I know it wouldn't be easy, or probably even tactically sound. And I know it wouldn't cripple the German economy. But it would hurt like a swift kick in the balls and send a clear message.
Easier to say than to do. The joint training area in Bavaria is key for our European operations as well as Middle East/Africa ready response. And would be hard to duplicate elsewhere.
Not impossible, just hard and expensive. And might not achieve the effect with the Germans you are hoping for.
Who cares. Should be done on principal alone. I care not for an "effect" on Germany. We possibly had too much effect on them in 1944-45. 70 odd years later and they are still in a collective fetal position sucking their socialist thumbs.
I know it wouldn't be easy, or probably even tactically sound. And I know it wouldn't cripple the German economy. But it would hurt like a swift kick in the balls and send a clear message.
We've already moved a heavy brigade into Poland and the Baltics rather than the light battalion normally there.
That leaves 2CR strykers plus a couple of BNs from another unit normally in Germany from a line unit perspective.
So already the balance is shifting a bit. You could argue we are already keeping more line unit BNs outside of Germany (Poland, Baltics, plus Italy) than inside. But there's a ton of command, support, AD and air in Germany. So your point is valid, it'd be a big economic impact if moved. Just don't see it happening due to the nato dynamics.
Can't remember if they staffed up the fwd deployed armor in Germany, that might change the mix.
Who cares. Should be done on principal alone. I care not for an "effect" on Germany. We possibly had too much effect on them in 1944-45. 70 odd years later and they are still in a collective fetal position sucking their socialist thumbs.
I'm not concerned about any negative impact on Germany, more the popular view if the US pulled out.
Most younger (under 30-35?) do not want US troops there even if their gov does. And the economy benefits from it.
So we take our toys and move east. Younger Germans and Merkel declare victory, push for EU combined army. Older Germans are perplexed but silent. Old Germans shake their heads, remembering post WW2 and cold war/Eastern germany
Very short memories
Same sort of applies for Italy... Gov and defense wants us there. Poplace does not hate us, but does not want big green stationed there even as they benefit economcally.
Poland loves the US. There is some deep history. A lot of the older Poles see Reagan as a demi-god. I am sure they would welcome a bigger US presence.
Coal Dragger
07-06-17, 14:23
The "front" hasn't been the Fulda Gap for over 20 years. Time to recognize that reality and move our forces further east. Poland seems more than willing to host us.
Besides the Germans need to up their military spending to meet NATO obligations. I'm sure they could utilize some of the bases we leave behind.
Averageman
07-06-17, 15:03
We paid an awful lot of money to stay and finally a lot to leave. If you're a GI in Germany ora Military Retiree the German .gov screw you any way they can. Retired Military and want to use the PX or Commissary?
You pony up some cash and pay taxes to the German Government..
I'm, they have some damned short memories.
We have had no better ally from Continental Europe since the fall of the Iron Curtain than Poland.
Even before that Russian military planners were really concerned that Polish troops will refuse to fight against US troops or can even defect if will encounter US units. And not because of cowardice or poor morale. Far from that.
Coal Dragger
07-06-17, 15:50
Polish unit Comander: We surrender.
U.S. unit Comander: OK...
Polish unit Comander: Do we get to kill Russians now? We really really really want to kill some Russians.
RetroRevolver77
07-06-17, 18:05
That was an amazing speech, he states this is about the Western Nation's survival and to bring Russia into the fold to defeat a common enemy- tyranny and extremist ideology.
Just listened to the entire speech. Trump knocked it out of the park.
SeriousStudent
07-06-17, 19:13
I am glad to see POTUS making that speech, especially there. Poland has been a a very strong friend and ally of the United States, and I am delighted to see that fact recognized.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-06-17, 19:30
What kind of POTUS speech was that? No apologizing for what we have done...
Heard some excerpts and I know Ronnie was giving him a big standing "O" from heaven.
Polish heroes have been by our side from the beginning!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski
Pulaski emigrated to North America to help in the cause of the*American Revolutionary War. He distinguished himself throughout the revolution, most notably when he saved the life of*George Washington. Pulaski became a*general*in the*Continental Army, created the*Pulaski Cavalry Legion*and reformed the American cavalry as a whole. At the*Battle of Savannah, while leading a daring charge against British forces, he was gravely wounded, and died shortly thereafter.
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Who cares. Should be done on principal alone. I care not for an "effect" on Germany. We possibly had too much effect on them in 1944-45. 70 odd years later and they are still in a collective fetal position sucking their socialist thumbs.
Or they realize that NATO could not prevent them from losing the Ruhr District in less than a week...
I think they've had their fill of warfare on their soil.
Just a thought.
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Moose-Knuckle
07-07-17, 05:17
President Donald Trump delivered strong speech in very particular place in Warsaw. It was very important for Poland, but also beyond. It is well worth listening to whole speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYZCtfIPsEQ
BTW Do not believe in Fake Media narrative of people being forced to attend, or that Poland do not approve Trump. This is just pure gold BS. No POTUS was so popular in Poland since Ronald Reagan.
Appreciate you posting this. I can't remember a time where I was more proud of a President except when I was a kid and Reagan was in office.
Poland and other Eastern European nations are holding their own, thankfully. They have not been infected with Cultural Marxism and thus committed collective suicide like the Western European nations have.
After this speech every real Polish patriot worth his salt is standing behind Donald Trump. He has huge credit of trust from us now (he had it before with lot of us, but not to this extent). Now we must see him deliver. On of best political commentators in Poland "translated" this whole speech in few words (please excuse my poor translation, part with dog is Polish idiom):
"I'm organizing a team with purpose to defense of our civilization and our interests. Who signs in can count on me, if he will follow my rules - because I'm the boss here. Who does not want to join - dogs can dance with him, it's his problem". And Poland signs in.
EDIT:
Poland and other Eastern European nations are holding their own, thankfully.
Central Europe. POTUS was very careful to observe this in his speech. While we were forced to be part of "Eastern Block" we are Central Europe.
That was an amazing speech, he states this is about the Western Nation's survival and to bring Russia into the fold to defeat a common enemy- tyranny and extremist ideology.
...and yet many of the MSM railed to report a single word of it....
<---- my not surprised face.....
Polish unit Comander: We surrender.
U.S. unit Comander: OK...
Polish unit Comander: Do we get to kill Russians now? We really really really want to kill some Russians.
They've historically tried that with both Russia and Germany and each time it did not work as intended.
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The Polish First Lady did not shake President Trump's hand. She totally ignored him.
That was.... awkward.
I'd like to know what the heck was behind that.
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The Polish First Lady did not shake President Trump's hand. She totally ignored him.
That was.... awkward.
I'd like to know what the heck was behind that.
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I saw that, then saw an article that said it wasn't a big deal and she did shake his hand.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/07/this-is-what-fake-news-looks-like-polish-first-lady-passes-over-trump-handshake/
If you get through the weeds of the source and actually read the text I believe it clarifies what happened.
The Polish First Lady did not shake President Trump's hand. She totally ignored him.
She did not ignore him, she shaked his hand after FLOTUS. In Poland there is custom to shake hands with woman first. Also in diplomatic protocol you shake hands with your guest first. While POTUS was guest of Polish President, FLOTUS was official guest of Polish First Lady. Both rules dictated that she first shakes hands with FLOTUS, then she shake hands with POTUS. Exactly like she did.
There is huge amount of Fake News around this visit. Starting from theories about "Polish dictatorship bringing paid spectators on buses", trough "only 25% of Poles like Trump while over 50% like Obama" to this "Polish Frist Lady ignores Trump" fake.
Contrary to some surprising reports my wife did shake hands with Mrs. and Mr. Trump @POTUS after a great visit. Let's FIGHT FAKE NEWS.
— Andrzej Duda (@AndrzejDuda) 6 lipca 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u2nXv6Nxd8
Good speech for sure. Its comical how the MSM is covering it...
Amount of trolling and hate I see over this from US progressive liberals I see on Twitter (also aimed at my tweets) is amazing. This reinforces my belief that this was very important visit and very important speech. History in making.
Amount of trolling and hate I see over this from US progressive liberals I see on Twitter (also aimed at my tweets) is amazing. This reinforces my belief that this was very important visit and very important speech. History in making.
Sir, you have a PM.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
07-07-17, 13:00
Polish heroes have been by our side from the beginning!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_Pulaski
Pulaski emigrated to North America to help in the cause of the*American Revolutionary War. He distinguished himself throughout the revolution, most notably when he saved the life of*George Washington. Pulaski became a*general*in the*Continental Army, created the*Pulaski Cavalry Legion*and reformed the American cavalry as a whole. At the*Battle of Savannah, while leading a daring charge against British forces, he was gravely wounded, and died shortly thereafter.
Ah, Casimr. A day off every spring for Illinois public school kids when I was growing up.
They've historically tried that with both Russia and Germany and each time it did not work as intended.
What are you talking about?
Good speech for sure. Its comical how the MSM is covering it...
Yeah, the MSM is saying how hateful and racist the speech was. Trump should have apologized like bho.
Moose-Knuckle
07-08-17, 04:11
Central Europe. POTUS was very careful to observe this in his speech. While we were forced to be part of "Eastern Block" we are Central Europe.
Yes of course, should have been more specific. Intent was to highlight how not all European nations are doing what the UK, Sweden, France, Germany, et al. are doing in regards to flooding their nations with "economic migrants".
She did not ignore him, she shaked his hand after FLOTUS. In Poland there is custom to shake hands with woman first. Also in diplomatic protocol you shake hands with your guest first. While POTUS was guest of Polish President, FLOTUS was official guest of Polish First Lady. Both rules dictated that she first shakes hands with FLOTUS, then she shake hands with POTUS. Exactly like she did.
There is huge amount of Fake News around this visit. Starting from theories about "Polish dictatorship bringing paid spectators on buses", trough "only 25% of Poles like Trump while over 50% like Obama" to this "Polish Frist Lady ignores Trump" fake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u2nXv6Nxd8
Good to hear. The cut of the segment I saw looked pretty bad.
Thanks, brother!
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Intentionally edited to look bad. The order was via protocol... If anything Trump messed up as she was headed for Melania. The Polish President issued a statement indicating such and that the edited video is fake news
I still say we should move all of our military assets out of Germany and relocate them and the money they bring to Poland. We have had no better ally from Continental Europe since the fall of the Iron Curtain than Poland.
Their history as a staunch ally goes back much farther than that. Without the support of Thaddeus Kosciuszko the American Revolution might have turned out differently.
Moose-Knuckle
07-09-17, 04:33
Without King John III Sobieski defeating the savage hoard at the Battle of Vienna a century earlier, Western Civilization would have turned out much differently.
Without the support of Thaddeus Kosciuszko the American Revolution might have turned out differently.
Don't forget this crazy Kazimierz Pułaski http://www.badassoftheweek.com/pulaski.html ;) He practically invented US cavalry, or more precisely modeled it after Polish cavalry). Speaking of whitch:
Without King John III Sobieski defeating the savage hoard at the Battle of Vienna a century earlier, Western Civilization would have turned out much differently.
Polish cavalry (The Winged Hussars and Mailed Companions) at Vienna was probably single biggest cavalry charge in modern history. Poles had plenty of previous experience. We were stopping muslim invasions one after another for few hundreds years (only in XVII century we had 3 big wars with Ottomans). But one battle of this war is especially interesting. 3rd Polish-Ottoman war did not end with victory at Vienna in 1683. It merely started there and lasted till 1699. During this war in 1694 Krimean Khanate 40,000 strong army was stopped and forced to retreat by 400 strong Polish cavalry unit (100 Winged Hussars and 300 Mailed Companions) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hod%C3%B3w
Moose-Knuckle
07-10-17, 04:42
Polish cavalry (The Winged Hussars and Mailed Companions) at Vienna was probably single biggest cavalry charge in modern history. Poles had plenty of previous experience. We were stopping muslim invasions one after another for few hundreds years (only in XVII century we had 3 big wars with Ottomans). But one battle of this war is especially interesting. 3rd Polish-Ottoman war did not end with victory at Vienna in 1683. It merely started there and lasted till 1699. During this war in 1694 Krimean Khanate 40,000 strong army was stopped and forced to retreat by 400 strong Polish cavalry unit (100 Winged Hussars and 300 Mailed Companions) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hod%C3%B3w
Truly fascinating history, which not to many know about here in the US sadly.
Truly fascinating history, which not to many know about here in the US sadly.
Most of them survived and they actually achieved both tactical and strategical victory. Fate much better than heroes of other Polish Thermopylae: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wizna
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-10-17, 22:10
Montrala- what is the significance of the location of Trump's speech? I've heard it was symbolic, but not why.
The security of Poland is key to the security of a free Europe.
eightmillimeter
07-11-17, 00:50
Montrala- what is the significance of the location of Trump's speech? I've heard it was symbolic, but not why.
The security of Poland is key to the security of a free Europe.
It was at the Uprising Monument in Warsaw, where the Jews held there finally had enough and let the Germans have it for a while before eventually being wiped out and/or sent off to camps.
Montrala- what is the significance of the location of Trump's speech? I've heard it was symbolic, but not why.
Trump asked to be be allowed to make his speech in front od Warsaw Uprising 1944. Uprising is single most dramatic and most heroic part of recent Polish history (you can learn more here: http://www.warsawrising.eu/ ). In the aftermath Germans completely and systematically obliterated most of Warsaw and were mass murdering all Warsaw inhabitants (for eg. Wola Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wola_massacre ) killing 150,000-200,000 civilians (plus 25,000 freedom fighters). After fall of Uprising there were less than 1000 (one thousand) people living in Warsaw (my prmary school teacher was one of them, as young kid he was giving his testimony in Nuremberg Trial). This monument is one of most important monuments for people of Poland (building in background of monument is Supreme Court).
Flying supply missions for Warsaw Uprising costed lives of brave airmen from several countries:
1. Polish Air Force - 59 KIA and MIA
2. Royal Air Force - 31 KIA and MIA
3. South African Royal Air Force - 45 KIA and MIA
4. US Air Force - 12 KIA and MIA
Worth noting that initially air crews were flying their missions in violation of direct orders from Allied Command. Also Russians closed their airspace and were shooting at any planes that showed over their lines. For only one mission USA convinced Russian to allow US planes fly over their zone.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/FB_Pomnik_PW_w_Warszawie.jpg
https://youtu.be/FYmxhnIJ3g4
It was at the Uprising Monument in Warsaw, where the Jews held there finally had enough and let the Germans have it for a while before eventually being wiped out and/or sent off to camps.
It is popular mistake in the West, to mix Warsaw Uprising 1944 with Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 1943 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising). During this visit Ivanka Trump put flowers on monument of Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and she visited Museum of Polish Jews "Polin".
http://cdn13.se.smcloud.net/t/photos/t/215058/pomnik-powstania-w-getcie-warszawskim_19490100.jpg
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