View Full Version : Why does it seem that liberal policies can't be undone?
I'll tell you why: we allow them to frame the debate, to establish the parameters.
Global warming (oops, climate change) is presented as a "given", and any debate on the subject is dismissively waved off, 'cause well it's "already decided".
Obamacare......although myself and many others predicted it, once an "entitlement" is given God forbid it be taken away. Nope, can't have that.
Women in infantry/SOF jobs. Why you can't possibly consider national security as more important than what's fair can you?
The whole bathroom thing. How can you possibly make someone use the bathroom that their XY or XX chromosome pair would dictate?
Try rolling back any of these (and others) and you'll see that it will be met with dug-in heels and screaming of an unheard of intensity.
We have allowed them to identify themselves with the self-flattering term "Progressive", as though anything not in agreement is regressive or a throw-back to Medieval times. We need to stop allowing them to frame the debate, and vehemently push back, get in their faces. I don't believe in the "Moral High Road" crap, the "We're better than that" line of thinking. The sooner we wake up and ram this garbage back down their throats the better off we'll be. We are on a slow slide to European style social constructs. I have NO desire whatsoever to be like Europe. We need to be like a bull in a china closet and break some things, hurt a few feelings. Screw them and the smugness they have come to adopt because they are allowed to set the parameters of what is acceptable and what isn't.
Lots o truth there. However you're missing something. Conservatives have ZERO representation at most levels of government. Think of the GOP as a whole. Are they the anti DNC or r they the DNC wearing a different tie?
The DNC targets political issues that, once enacted, create a perceived humanitarian crisis to undo. Hence, to undo it isn't just bad politics but has huge ethical undertones in today's public square.
Lots o truth there. However you're missing something. Conservatives have ZERO representation at most levels of government. Think of the GOP as a whole. Are they the anti DNC or r they the DNC wearing a different tie?
Oh RINO's for sure, afraid of their own shadows for the most part. Just look at the opportunity to repeal Obamacare. They control the Congress and the White House, but.......wouldn't want to take something away that they shouldn't have had in the first freaking place!
Mattis is the SecDef. Are those policies changing? Granted, he is following orders now just like when he wore the uniform, but WTF?
The DNC targets political issues that, once enacted, create a perceived humanitarian crisis to undo. Hence, to undo it isn't just bad politics but has huge ethical undertones in today's public square.
Absolutely, but it is only like that because at some point they were allowed to define the rules, to set the parameters, to frame the debate.
Most people seem to have extremely flexible standards, especially politicians. Nobody wants to be perceived as judgmental, and there is a vast, vast pile of humanity that is totality incapable of living by the notion........ "love thy neighbor".
Because liberals live life to force everyone to feel like or at least support them,
Conservatives just live their lives and vote, they don't devote their entire life to making rules for others.
I had someone tell me to "get cultured" because I don't like paintings. Why don't you slit a bucks throat with me, and tell me what a great time you had!? Don't enjoy that? It's because you don't have the culture or evolutionary superior traits to enjoy it.
Point is, conservatives have thick skin and let it go without challenge. We need to act offended and call them on the BS. I didn't have a response because it was so stupid and didn't think much of it, but after thinking about it, the mentality to say something like that is absolutely twisted.
Yes I'm generalizing greatly, but it's the experiences I've seen.
Most people seem to have extremely flexible standards, especially politicians. Nobody wants to be perceived as judgmental, and there is a vast, vast pile of humanity that is totality incapable of living by the notion........ "love thy neighbor".
It's even easier than that, politicians go where the money is. Sadly there isn't a lot of money to be made by protecting constitutional freedoms and having a nation full of free citizens who decide what is best for them. But there is a lot of money to be made by declaring various persecutions and national emergencies that need to be addressed right now.
Probably more money is spent on people paying to lessen their "global footprint" and the fight for TG equality than feeding homeless kids. Everyone wants to feel like they "saved the planet" or are some kind of "civil rights champion", feeding homeless kids requires real solutions and more effort than liking a facebook post.
Because liberals live life to force everyone to feel like or at least support them,
Conservatives just live their lives and vote, they don't devote their entire life to making rules for others.
I had someone tell me to "get cultured" because I don't like paintings. Why don't you slit a bucks throat with me, and tell me what a great time you had!? Don't enjoy that? It's because you don't have the culture or evolutionary superior traits to enjoy it.
Point is, conservatives have thick skin and let it go without challenge. We need to act offended and call them on the BS. I didn't have a response because it was so stupid and didn't think much of it, but after thinking about it, the mentality to say something like that is absolutely twisted.
Yes I'm generalizing greatly, but it's the experiences I've seen.
And then there is that.
I'm thinking about converting to Islam simply so I can view women as property, hate anyone who isn't exactly like me and have liberals support me so they aren't being Islamaphobes.
Because liberals live life to force everyone to feel like or at least support them,
Conservatives just live their lives and vote, they don't devote their entire life to making rules for others.
I had someone tell me to "get cultured" because I don't like paintings. Why don't you slit a bucks throat with me, and tell me what a great time you had!? Don't enjoy that? It's because you don't have the culture or evolutionary superior traits to enjoy it.
Point is, conservatives have thick skin and let it go without challenge. We need to act offended and call them on the BS. I didn't have a response because it was so stupid and didn't think much of it, but after thinking about it, the mentality to say something like that is absolutely twisted.
Yes I'm generalizing greatly, but it's the experiences I've seen.
I think that is the crux of it. "We" as conservatives don't see the need for constant, at times radical change. "We" are generally happy with the status quo. The other side, by their own Progressive ideology, must seek a constant state of flux that eventually spins in their favor, read: change.
Grand58742
07-22-17, 07:45
I was thinking one of the reasons is we have a bunch of paycheck collecting, donor schmoozing, elitist, no ball having so called "conservatives" in Congress that spend more time bickering with each other than they do actually coming up with good ideas and compromising on their bad ones.
Maybe I'm biased though. Could be common decency clouding my nefarious "politician's angle" outlook.
Lots o truth there. However you're missing something. Conservatives have ZERO representation at most levels of government. Think of the GOP as a whole. Are they the anti DNC or r they the DNC wearing a different tie?
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Irish democracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8wgrZ6t5BA
thopkins22
07-28-17, 15:39
Well we're talking primarily about a policy that was created almost word for word by the most respected conservative think tank in the country as a way to stave off single payer/universal healthcare. And introduced as a bill with guys like Chuck Grassley, Orin Hatch, Dick Lugar, Arlen Specter, and Bob Dole co-sponsoring it.
It's not all that liberal of a law. https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/senate-bill/1770
Remember that Bush's Medicare part D expansion cost almost as much as Obamacare...and only covers prescription drugs.
Is Obamacare a good thing? Obviously it is not. It's more government where there should be less. But it's not the socialist apocalypse machine that so many have cried over the past several years either.
Just food for thought.
Liberal policies that are out and out bad? Get overturned all the time. The United States has much more liberal(in the sense that there is more liberty) gun laws now than when most members were born. We have deregulated with great success a number of industries. There is more freedom available and places where the government is not, than at many times in history.
But it's not the socialist apocalypse machine that so many have cried over the past several years either.
The mandate is probably the second scariest thing to happen to Freedom in my lifetime. I put it just behind the surveillance state in anti Freedom potential.
thopkins22
07-28-17, 17:01
The mandate is probably the second scariest thing to happen to Freedom in my lifetime. I put it just behind the surveillance state in anti Freedom potential.
Yeah but if you can't get rid of the whole thing, the mandate is the only reason it even kinda works.
Either way, I don't disagree, just pointing out that it was a Republican idea, and only when Democrats passed it two decades later did we all chose to freak out.
Although there are arguments to be made that it's essentially the opposite of a consumption tax and that those who chose not to purchase health insurance are potentially costing every person who does very tangible costs over their lifetimes.
What would Obamacare be without the taxpayer funded SUBSIDIES? Yeah the mandate is not kosher, but the freaking subsidies paid for by someone else? The less you make the less you pay?
That's what I thought.
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