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Other members have posted in the M4C Shotgun Forum that the current Model 870 produced by Remington has reliability issues. I own two trouble free Model 870 shotguns, the newest one produced in the early 1990's.
Can anyone narrow down approximately what year the 870 began to have so many issues? If your 870 was/is problematic, what year was it purchased and/or produced?
SeriousStudent
08-02-17, 17:04
I think I'm going out on a pretty sturdy limb, but I'd start my research after this date: April 5, 2007.
That was the date Ceberus announced they were buying Remington.
I think I'm going out on a pretty sturdy limb, but I'd start my research after this date: April 5, 2007.
That was the date Ceberus announced they were buying Remington.
And maybe differentiate between the regular 870 and the Express.
And maybe differentiate between the regular 870 and the Express.
Most of my experience is with the Remington 870 provided under contract to LE agencies and the two I purchased for myself. You make a good point that we should differentiate from the Express model.
There are actually 3 lines of 870s currently being produced: Wingmaster, Police and Express.
From what I've heard, polishing the chamber will cure some of the 870 Express issues.
Evel Baldgui
08-03-17, 12:27
Have had one since 2010, never any issues, express model.
They all break and have issues from what I understand. Even Battlefield LasVegas has stated that they got some older Police models, and they died in a few months as well. Might have run a little longer than current production civilian guns, but nothing super special.
Didn't realize that 870's had such a short service life.
I believe anything that suffers abuse and lack of prescribed maintenance will suffer a shorter service life. Not necessarily saying that about Battlefield Vegas, rather the previous police owners. Shotgun maintenance is not a major priority at most agencies.
On another thread I made the comment that we did not have FTE issues with Express's specific, any shotgun generally, when using factory 00B or slugs (Federal to be brand specific, but really any quality brand in my expereince).
That got me to thinking, did the start of the 870 Express chamber issue begin just about the time Winchester was introducing their value-pack rounds?
I'm lucky enough to have two pre-80 Wingmasters. I will never sell them.
SeriousStudent
08-03-17, 18:01
From what I've heard, polishing the chamber will cure some of the 870 Express issues.
I have done that multiple times, after investing in a set of the proper hones, oil and a low-speed cordless drill. It does help a great deal.
People tend to shoot crappy ammo in a rough chamber, and never clean it. That frequently leads to extraction woes.
Polishing the chamber helps a great deal, as well as not shooting crappy ammo. I switched over to the Winchester AA loads for classes. It goes on sale for around $80 a case during bird season, and I grab a few cases then.
I've got two Wingmasters, two Police Magnums, and an Express that has been basically torn apart and rebuilt into a Wingmaster. The Express was free to me.
I'd never buy an Express when you can find a used Wingmaster or Police Magnum for under $300 if you look around just a little. I only buy used Remington Police Magnums or Wingmasters these days.
Hope that helps.
Is there a way to tell age? I own two police traded Police Magnums. I got them both for a great price and shotguns are low on my priority list. I may have shot a few boxes in the last few years but it would be nice to know the manufacturer date
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SeriousStudent
08-03-17, 18:10
I believe you can do a serial number search.
I shall consult The Google.
SeriousStudent
08-03-17, 18:12
My search fu is mighty today, I found this:
DECODING REMINGTON SERIAL NUMBERS
Model 870 LETTER PREFIX
1950 TO APPROX 1968: NO SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX
1968 TO PRESENT: LETTERS USED (IN SEQUENCE)
S-68, T-74, V-78, W-84, X-90, A-91, B-94, C-97, D-01, AB-05
Model 870 LETTER SUFFIX (DESIGNATES GAUGE)
V 12 GA. (2 3/4”)
M 12 GA. MAGNUM (3”)
A 12 GA. “SUPER” MAGNUM (3 ½”)
W 16 GA. ( 2 ¾” )
X 20 GA. “HEAVY FRAME” (DISCONTINUED)
N 20 GA. “HEAVY FRAME MAGNUM” (DISCONTINUED)
K 20 GA. “LIGHT WEIGHT” (“LW”) (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
U 20 GA. LW MAGNUM (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
J 28 GA.
H .410 BORE (2 ½” OR 3”)
Model 1100 LETTER PREFIX
1963 TO APPROX. 1968: NO SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX
1968 TO PRESENT: LETTERS USED (IN SEQUENCE)
L-68, M-74, N-78, P-85, R-90
Model 1100 LETTER SUFFIX
SAME STRUCTURE AS THE Model 870
Model 1187 LETTER PREFIX
1987 TO PRESENT: “PC” 12 GA., 1999 “TL“ 20 GA.,
2000 “SM” SUPER MAG.
LETTER SUFFIX
NO LETTER SUFFIX ON THIS MODEL
Then look on the left side of the barrel near the receiver and look for a two letter date code stamp and follow this chart with the first letter being the month and the second being the year the barrel was made;
Month
B - Jan L - Feb A - Mar C - Apr K - May P - Jun
O - Jul W - Aug D - Sep E - Oct R - Nov X - Dec
Year
M - 1921 N - 1922 P - 1923 R - 1924 S - 1925
T - 1926 U - 1927 W - 1928 X - 1929 Y - 1930
Z - 1931 A - 1932 B - 1933 C - 1934 D - 1935
E - 1936 F - 1937 G - 1938 H - 1939 J - 1940
K - 1941 L - 1942 MM - 1943 NN - 1944 PP - 1945
RR - 1946 SS - 1947 TT - 1948 UU - 1949 WW - 1950
XX - 1951 YY - 1952 ZZ - 1953 A - 1954 B - 1955
C - 1956 D - 1957 E - 1958 F - 1959 G - 1960
H - 1961 J - 1962 K - 1963 L - 1964 M - 1965
N - 1966 P - 1967 R - 1968 S - 1969 T - 1970
U - 1971 W - 1972 X - 1973 Y - 1974 Z - 1975
I - 1976 O - 1977 Q - 1978 V - 1979 A - 1980
B - 1981 C - 1982 D - 1983 E - 1984 F - 1985
G - 1986 H - 1987 I - 1988 J - 1989 K - 1990
L - 1991 M - 1992 N - 1993 O - 1994 P - 1995
Q - 1996 R - 1997 S - 1998 T - 1999 (*) U - 2000 (*)
V - 2001 (*) W - 2002 X - 2003 Y - 2004 Z - 2005
A - 2006 B - 2007 C - 2008 D - 2009 E - 2010
F - 2011 G - 2012 H - 2013
And this:
http://www.rem870.com/2012/01/19/remington-870-serial-number-lookup/
I have done that multiple times, after investing in a set of the proper hones, oil and a low-speed cordless drill. It does help a great deal.
People tend to shoot crappy ammo in a rough chamber, and never clean it. That frequently leads to extraction woes.
Polishing the chamber helps a great deal, as well as not shooting crappy ammo. I switched over to the Winchester AA loads for classes. It goes on sale for around $80 a case during bird season, and I grab a few cases then.
I've got two Wingmasters, two Police Magnums, and an Express that has been basically torn apart and rebuilt into a Wingmaster. The Express was free to me.
I'd never buy an Express when you can find a used Wingmaster or Police Magnum for under $300 if you look around just a little. I only buy used Remington Police Magnums or Wingmasters these days.
Hope that helps.
I know one guy that used oiled 0000 steel wool wrapped around a long drill bit to polish an 870 Express chamber. Sounds crude but he claimed it did the trick.
Thank you! Where do I send the beer?
1st one is 1984 Police Magnum
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/08cbca1a7d593f7852059e5b3d898475.jpg
2nd is 1979 Wingmaster 12G 2 3/4
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SeriousStudent
08-03-17, 18:26
I am thinking it likely would. I would be very careful to check the uniformity afterwards.
I went with these from Brownell's:
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shotgun-tools/barrel-hones-accessories/shotgun-barrel-polishing-flex-hone--prod647.aspx
I got the 12 gauge medium and the 12 gauge fine hones, along with a quart of their oil.
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shotgun-tools/barrel-hones-accessories/flex-hone-oil-prod25280.aspx
Then I made a point of very carefully cleaning the barrel several times, to make sure no grit remained to affect the trigger pack or action bars.
SeriousStudent
08-03-17, 18:28
Thank you! Where do I send the beer?
1st one is 1984 Police Magnum
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/08cbca1a7d593f7852059e5b3d898475.jpg
2nd is 1979 Wingmaster 12G 2 3/4
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/c5978e7c87bbb8720de4b204aa34b7f4.jpg
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No worries, glad to be of assistance. It sounds like you have a very nice pair of shotguns there.
matthepanther
08-13-17, 11:35
pretty much everything I've handled, shot, or dealt with over the past couple years has been crap from Remington. I would pursue a mid 90's wingmaster before I thought about buying a new one. One of my buddys has an 870 express that would jam and have light primer strikes which I have never seen before in a shotgun. Makes for a real pain in the ass when hunting. I would steer clear.
Did anyone take the firing pin out and look at the firing pin spring. When we have had light firing pin strikes or failure to fire I pull the spring out. Most of the time the spring has broken in as much as four places which places the firing pin in a bind.
I'd never buy an Express when you can find a used Wingmaster or Police Magnum for under $300 if you look around just a little. I only buy used Remington Police Magnums or Wingmasters these days.
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^
My HD setup is an 18.5" rifle sighted smooth bore 870 Wingmaster bought as new "old stock" the late 90's. Replaced/upgraded springs, upgrade butt pad, upgraded follower and had to trim the forearm so I could load regardless of position.
Thank you for the mfg. date data Serious Student. Both of my 870's were manufactured in 1984. The Police Model has been driven like a stolen car without complaint.
I think I'm going out on a pretty sturdy limb, but I'd start my research after this date: April 5, 2007.
That was the date Ceberus announced they were buying Remington.
That sounds about right to me! :p
What's the opinion on current 870Ps? Are they having the same problems as the express?
battlefield Vegas never went in to detail on round counts. i am curious as to the life of the 870 police models before they break. it makes them sound like junk?
This is what I found on Battlefield LV reference shotguns:
"I don't know the name of the parts that are breaking on the Remington's but we would have to remove the rivet(s) on the left side of the receiver in order to repair it.
He is referring to either the ejector or ejector spring. If you know anything about 870's, the tip of the ejector, which serves to keep the barrel from twisting (for lack of a better term) is prone to breakage if the mag tube end cap is not tight and the shooter twists the action bars as they cycle the action. The other thing that could be happening is the ejector spring itself is getting caught on the bolt somehow and getting bent. I've seen this happen but don't know how. The shotgun will run just fine without the spring if you cycle it properly. Most of the time if you have the rivet cutter you can replace the ejector spring without a new rivet (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shotgun-tools/shotgun-specialty-tools/remington-870-ejector-spring-rivet-cutter-prod368.aspx)
The other parts that both shotguns (Mossberg and Remington) lose very early, are the "forks" that operate the slide.
These are the action bars. As mentioned above, on the Remington if the shooter is allowed to twist the forearm as they cycle the action this can torque the bars, causing them to break. The tendency to do that is amplified if the forearms is not tightened onto the action bars properly. This probably why he says the wooden furniture action bars last longer.
They both last about the same time and I can't say one is better than the others. We did have some older police trade-in's Remington's with the wood furniture that lasted the longest. We spoke to rep's from both companies at a private tradeshow and both of them didn't seem to believe us in how short of a life-span the shotguns have on our range. I wish we could just use Benelli M4's but customers want to hear the pump-action sound that they've heard on every movie, tv show and video game.
We consider shotguns disposable at this point and it's not worth the time to repair them. We will probably just start listing them on a Gunbroker account and sell them in lots as "fixer-upper's" because we don't have time to sell them one-by-one and then have to deal with customers telling us they want to return it because it's not easy to fix as they thought.. or they didn't know it was broken (though the ads CLEARLY stated they were), etc..."
Later he goes on to say:
"Mossbergs and Remington pump-actions will get 3 and at MOST 4 weeks of use before they are hard-broke. It's been abused with 00 buck, birdshot and even higher velocity frangible but nothing has taken it out of action.
It sounds like what is killing his 870's is the fact that folks are not getting taught how to run them properly combined with perhaps his staff not keeping on top of little things that can be easily fixed on the line - keeping the mag tube end caps tight and ensuring the forearms are tight on the action bars.
We had 26 to 30 Remington 870's and Mossbergs that recruit classes used, and used, and used. You can keep them running if you know what you are doing. I can understand, though, that in his case, he doesn't want to spend the time replacing ejectors.
If I ever had to have one shotgun for the rest of my life, it would be the Benelli M4."
Well, they are good, quality shotguns, probably at this point with better QC than Remington. Longevity compared to the pumps is probably more due to the fact that the M4's don't have folks yanking on the mechanism to cycle the shotgun.
and
"Trust me, we keep at least ten Mossberg and/or Remington's on hand because they go down so often. The biggest offenders are the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870 (standard model I would guess). We had some old 70's or 80's police trade-in's that last quite a while and they finally all went down. We can get those up and running again but we need to punch the rivet on the left side of the receiver and replace a component. The Mossberg 590's do last much longer than the other two standard models they eventually break as well. We have a bunch of shotguns that we still have to demil. It's cheaper just to buy a new one than spend the money and TIME on replacement parts and all the "tuning" to make the replacement parts work properly.
If it was up to me, I would only use the Benelli M4's but customers want to see and experience the "pumping" action of a shotgun. They've seen and heard it their entire lives on movies and television so most customers tend to choose the pump-actions. We let customers know that the Benelli (we've only had one) it much lighter on recoil so it does get used quite a bit as well."
I understand the customer demand for the pump action, but I really think that regardless of manufacturer, you are going to have3 problems with pumps in the setting he is using them in, like I said I think the biggest problem with the action bar breakage is operator induced.
diving dave
08-17-17, 08:59
I just picked up an Express for a short barrel shotgun project I'm doing...But I plan on replacing the springs and extractor with better parts, which is easy to do.
The number one malfunctioning firearm at our local 3 gun match is the shotgun....pumps and semi autos.
I kind of wonder if newer things like Battlefield Vegas, 3 gun, and steel targets aren't exposing shotguns to levels of use historically limited to trap/skeet skeet shooters and exposing some weaknesses in the systems?
The number one malfunctioning firearm at our local 3 gun match is the shotgun....pumps and semi autos.
I kind of wonder if newer things like Battlefield Vegas, 3 gun, and steel targets aren't exposing shotguns to levels of use historically limited to trap/skeet skeet shooters and exposing some weaknesses in the systems?
one would think that as long as a lot of these guns have been around that unknown issues would have came up by now. i have 2 870 police models and have not put enough rounds through them to create any issues. what kind of issues have you seen at 3 gun matches?
Lots of feed and/or ejection issues. I am sure part of them can be blamed on using low powered shells in auto loaders, but there have been plenty with 500 and 870 users as well. Somewhat amusing considering 5.56 AR use by almost all shooters with malfunctions of any kind being rare.
The only shotgun parts breakages I have seen were an extractor on my 500 and an ejector on an 870, both decades old and presumably on their first set of internals, but neither receiving the level of use they were getting in 3 gun.
Lots of feed and/or ejection issues. I am sure part of them can be blamed on using low powered shells in auto loaders, but there have been plenty with 500 and 870 users as well.
User error as in short stroking?
User error as in short stroking?
Done or seen that once or twice, but no most of these seem to be legit malfunctions.
Vegasshooter
08-18-17, 13:20
A bit of a derail, but yes, 3gun is definitely putting shotguns through usage patterns that they weren't designed for. I've seen and shot stages that would burn a whole box (25) shells. When I flip my shotgun over to load, I wear a glove on my left hand because the barrel will blister your hand. I think the competition/competitors are definitely pushing companies and designers into better guns. JMHO. Sorry for the drift.
I think the reliability rumors started about the same time the internet became mainstream. I'd like to know the actual number that were returned to Remington for the rough chamber issue. I'll bet it is small compared to the hundreds of thousands they sold. I also bet half of the ones sent back had dirty chambers. Like the guy saying he polished it with steel wool. He didn't polish anything. He just did a good job of cleaning it.
A bit of a derail, but yes, 3gun is definitely putting shotguns through usage patterns that they weren't designed for. I've seen and shot stages that would burn a whole box (25) shells. When I flip my shotgun over to load, I wear a glove on my left hand because the barrel will blister your hand. I think the competition/competitors are definitely pushing companies and designers into better guns. JMHO. Sorry for the drift.Quite relevant, actually. Revealing limitations and flaws in designs is something very valuable for any manufactured good, be it guns, trucks, boats, tools, or anything else. Weak points in designs will fail faster in heavy usage scenarios but still can fail in the previously-thought-to-be normal use as well. Maybe you're right in that these days we hold shotguns to higher standards so we notice more defects or have become less tolerant of them. I remember the one failure my youth 20ga 1100 had when I was a kid when the action handle broke off while dove hunting. Sure it wasn't supposed to happen but we just brought it to the shop and a week or two it was fixed. What we didn't say at the time was "What the heck?!?! I've only run 400 rounds through this thing! I wasn't running it that hard! My Benelli has 6K rounds through it and I haven't even cleaned it!" It was thought to be and still is thought to be a quality gun, made in the late 80's, but as you correctly point out NOT a heavy duty high round count gun.
It's interesting you mention, GH41, the time of the Internet getting big. That kind of nicely coincided with the Clinton ban years bringing about the EBR boom and higher round counts on long guns becoming much more common versus predominantly bolt gun decades prior. I guess dove hunting and clays have always been higher volume than was typical for rifles for most of history but I wonder how much it picked up even more due to the influence of higher round count usage on rifles in the last couple of decades.
Benelli semiautos seem to have a reputation of standing up to high round counts.
my m4 only has about 4000. not a lot but issues to speak of. my 870s have been shot a lot and had a lot of abuse, unsure on round counts cause they are both trade ins.
I have a weak extractor spring on my police surplus 870, but it keeps running. When I first picked it up I fired a 5 gallon bucket of buckshot and slugs through it during the first outing. It has been fired a lot more since the first outing on a monthly basis.
Maintenance is of paramount importance with most firearms and I can't help but wonder if some of the issues people are having aren't maintenance related.
SeriousStudent
08-21-17, 22:34
It's funny, that is the very first thing I do with a used Glock or 870. Detail strip it, degrease it, replace every single spring, then lube it.
You are absolutely right. It's amazing how a "problem child" suddenly behaves after some good PM.
i am currently overhauling my 870s. cerakote and dsf 870 surefires. one will be bead sights and the other wilson combat sights.
My search fu is mighty today, I found this:
DECODING REMINGTON SERIAL NUMBERS
Model 870 LETTER PREFIX
1950 TO APPROX 1968: NO SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX
1968 TO PRESENT: LETTERS USED (IN SEQUENCE)
S-68, T-74, V-78, W-84, X-90, A-91, B-94, C-97, D-01, AB-05
Model 870 LETTER SUFFIX (DESIGNATES GAUGE)
V 12 GA. (2 3/4”)
M 12 GA. MAGNUM (3”)
A 12 GA. “SUPER” MAGNUM (3 ½”)
W 16 GA. ( 2 ¾” )
X 20 GA. “HEAVY FRAME” (DISCONTINUED)
N 20 GA. “HEAVY FRAME MAGNUM” (DISCONTINUED)
K 20 GA. “LIGHT WEIGHT” (“LW”) (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
U 20 GA. LW MAGNUM (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
J 28 GA.
H .410 BORE (2 ½” OR 3”)
Model 1100 LETTER PREFIX
1963 TO APPROX. 1968: NO SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX
1968 TO PRESENT: LETTERS USED (IN SEQUENCE)
L-68, M-74, N-78, P-85, R-90
Model 1100 LETTER SUFFIX
SAME STRUCTURE AS THE Model 870
Model 1187 LETTER PREFIX
1987 TO PRESENT: “PC” 12 GA., 1999 “TL“ 20 GA.,
2000 “SM” SUPER MAG.
LETTER SUFFIX
NO LETTER SUFFIX ON THIS MODEL
Then look on the left side of the barrel near the receiver and look for a two letter date code stamp and follow this chart with the first letter being the month and the second being the year the barrel was made;
Month
B - Jan L - Feb A - Mar C - Apr K - May P - Jun
O - Jul W - Aug D - Sep E - Oct R - Nov X - Dec
Year
M - 1921 N - 1922 P - 1923 R - 1924 S - 1925
T - 1926 U - 1927 W - 1928 X - 1929 Y - 1930
Z - 1931 A - 1932 B - 1933 C - 1934 D - 1935
E - 1936 F - 1937 G - 1938 H - 1939 J - 1940
K - 1941 L - 1942 MM - 1943 NN - 1944 PP - 1945
RR - 1946 SS - 1947 TT - 1948 UU - 1949 WW - 1950
XX - 1951 YY - 1952 ZZ - 1953 A - 1954 B - 1955
C - 1956 D - 1957 E - 1958 F - 1959 G - 1960
H - 1961 J - 1962 K - 1963 L - 1964 M - 1965
N - 1966 P - 1967 R - 1968 S - 1969 T - 1970
U - 1971 W - 1972 X - 1973 Y - 1974 Z - 1975
I - 1976 O - 1977 Q - 1978 V - 1979 A - 1980
B - 1981 C - 1982 D - 1983 E - 1984 F - 1985
G - 1986 H - 1987 I - 1988 J - 1989 K - 1990
L - 1991 M - 1992 N - 1993 O - 1994 P - 1995
Q - 1996 R - 1997 S - 1998 T - 1999 (*) U - 2000 (*)
V - 2001 (*) W - 2002 X - 2003 Y - 2004 Z - 2005
A - 2006 B - 2007 C - 2008 D - 2009 E - 2010
F - 2011 G - 2012 H - 2013
And this:
http://www.rem870.com/2012/01/19/remington-870-serial-number-lookup/
I'm bumping this one up because I have an 870 that was a new model for 2009 (gunmetal grey powercoated Tactical, that finish was complete and utter shit BTW, it literally peeled off in sheets), with an AB serial number prefix, and the barrel has a June 1994 date code.
Just to highlight why using the two letter barrel date code is not a really good idea when dating when the gun was made.
As to the fact that Battlefield Las Vegas claims the 870 has a short lifespan because a known wear part (ejector spring) wears and breaks after many thousands of rounds, don't even bother trying to replace (or have a gunsmith replace) that known wear part, and simply scraps that 870 and goes around calling the 870 a consumable... that's just beyond retarded honestly. Do we scrap an AR15 every time an extractor or cam pin wears out?
That 2009 870 I have broke the ejector spring after well over 10 000 rounds last year or the year before, the spring wore down at the ejecting claw that rubs on the bolt and finally broke when there wasn't enough metal left to keep it rigid. When that happenned, I took some cable cutters, snapped the spring off in half, tucked the remaining riveted part in the ejector cavity, and the gun ejects fine without the spring...
"Do we scrap an AR15 every time an extractor or cam pin wears out? "
No, but replacing those doesn't involve
(1) working with rivets
(2) spending time working with said rivets on a Remington POS
I think they have a good handle on what repairs are economical for them. For an individual user with tons of free time - especially a broker user - doing the work makes more sense.
However, they're probably saying the 870 has a short lifespan because they're comparing them to various Benelli models.
"Do we scrap an AR15 every time an extractor or cam pin wears out? "
No, but replacing those doesn't involve
(1) working with rivets
(2) spending time working with said rivets on a Remington POS
I think they have a good handle on what repairs are economical for them. For an individual user with tons of free time - especially a broker user - doing the work makes more sense.
However, they're probably saying the 870 has a short lifespan because they're comparing them to various Benelli models.
If you know what you are doing 5 minutes for the spring, without replacing the rivet - probably 15 for me because I have to find the rivet cutter and walk to the drill press.
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shotgun-tools/shotgun-specialty-tools/remington-870-ejector-spring-rivet-cutter-prod368.aspx
The ejector requires a little more time, probably less than a half hour. This involves removing and replacing the rivets along with the ejector and spring. This is without milling the rivets flush and re-doing the receiver's finish -which isn't necessary on a police/combat shotgun with a side saddle.
Remington doesn't teach this any longer in their factory armorer courses, but it is easy to get them working again - as long as you aren't demanding the receiver be refinished.
I don't know what Battlefield Vegas pays their armorers, but I'd be willing to bet it isn't enough that it is cost effective for them to replace a shotgun, versus an armorer spending less than an hour overhauling it.
A relative and I went to a sporting goods store so she could purchase a home defense gun. She got a new in box Express 20 gauge. When we got it home, racking the slide a few times locked up the action tight. We took it back. The sales person took another one out of a box. Racking the slide on that one promptly locked up the action. We got a refund.
I understand that the police models are still built to the spec. I will never part with my old Wingmaster. Express is junk.
There are too many police trade in 870 Police Magnums at reasonable prices to mess with buying a new one. I was in GT Distributors awhile back and they had 10 Police Magnums with Speed Feed stocks in the rack and they were $189. Why would you buy a new one?
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