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I saw this rifle at the local gunstore today. From what I can tell its a low profile gas block 6920 with a Centurion Arms Mlok rail. Crazy thing is it was priced at 850 which was lower than the regular 6920s they had on the wall.
Is this rifle a 6920 with a rail or is it something different? The price makes me suspicious.
Renegade04
08-03-17, 17:38
I saw this rifle at the local gunstore today. From what I can tell its a low profile gas block 6920 with a Centurion Arms Mlok rail. Crazy thing is it was priced at 850 which was lower than the regular 6920s they had on the wall.
Is this rifle a 6920 with a rail or is it something different? The price makes me suspicious.
From the picture I saw, it looks as though they took a 6920 OEM-2 and added the Gen 4 stock and Centurion M-LOK handguard.
everready73
08-03-17, 18:01
I was wondering about this. Colt 6920-R is the product number on Tombstone Tactical. They have it for $825 which is cheaper than a regular 6920 and this has the Centurion rail. May be picking this up
whatthepuck
08-03-17, 18:10
The 6920-r is around $750 at buds currently...
Renegade04
08-03-17, 18:17
Personally, I think Colt is trying a way to get rid of some of their OEM-2s. I think the "R" in 6920-R stands for "rail" as in railed handguard.
jackblack73
08-03-17, 19:46
In the Budget $1,500... thread someone posted a link to this rifle at Bud's for less than $800. So it appears legit.
https://clydearmory.com/colt-le6920-epr.html
It's either a different rifle or clyde armory didn't get the pricing memo.
Renegade04
08-04-17, 08:45
https://clydearmory.com/colt-le6920-epr.html
It's either a different rifle or clyde armory didn't get the pricing memo.
They refer to it as the 6920-EPR and is different in that it has the following:
Magpul MBUS Pro Sights
Magpul SL Buttstock
Magpul Grip & Trigger Guard
The "EP" most likely stands for "Enhanced Performance". Still, the differences between the 6920-R and the 6920-EPR does not warrant that kind of price difference.
A quick search using gun.deals and it seems the 6920-R can be had for under $750 shipped... hmmm....
This is one of those things I just don't need, but may feel stupid for passing on. What a smoking deal.
peashooter76
08-04-17, 12:11
That is one he'll of a deal! I've been eyeballing the 6960 for a while and am getting close to pulling the trigger on one. This is making second guess if the 6960 is worth $500 for the mid length gas system.
That is one he'll of a deal! I've been eyeballing the 6960 for a while and am getting close to pulling the trigger on one. This is making second guess if the 6960 is worth $500 for the mid length gas system.
I am in the same boat. I was all ready to pick up the 6960 but doubt the mid length is worth the premium.
That is one he'll of a deal! I've been eyeballing the 6960 for a while and am getting close to pulling the trigger on one. This is making second guess if the 6960 is worth $500 for the mid length gas system.
For 500$ you could put any barrel and gas block you wanted on this.
whatthepuck
08-04-17, 15:19
I have a 6960. Had this version of the 6920 been available there's no way I would have gotten the 6960 over it. The only thing that gives me pause is the lack of QD sockets in the CMR rail pictured on the 6920-r. All promotional pics showing the 13" rail on the 6960 clearly have the sockets. The rail in the pic for the 6920-r has the Centurion logo but no sockets.
If I were you and had the cash on hand, I'd definitely pick one up at that price. You probably won't find that carbine cheaper, it's a steal.
That's because with that barrel profile the rear QD point cannot be used.
I have a 6960. Had this version of the 6920 been available there's no way I would have gotten the 6960 over it. The only thing that gives me pause is the lack of QD sockets in the CMR rail pictured on the 6920-r. All promotional pics showing the 13" rail on the 6960 clearly have the sockets. The rail in the pic for the 6920-r has the Centurion logo but no sockets.
whatthepuck
08-04-17, 18:27
That's because with that barrel profile the rear QD point cannot be used.
Makes sense. I suppose you could buy an mlok QD mount with the $4-500 you'd save over the 6960...
I was wondering about this. Colt 6920-R is the product number on Tombstone Tactical. They have it for $825 which is cheaper than a regular 6920 and this has the Centurion rail. May be picking this up
Tombstone Tactical is the store I was at. First time there and I was impressed.
That's because with that barrel profile the rear QD point cannot be used.
What barrel profile is it?
everready73
08-04-17, 19:00
Tombstone Tactical is the store I was at. First time there and I was impressed.
Yea they have really good prices on the Colt oem models as well, some if the lowest I have seen. And Sonic's blem lowers for like $52
noonesshowmonkey
08-05-17, 08:25
That is an incredible deal. All of the right parts. To build that on your own out of an OEM would be more expensive. As one poster noted, you can rebarrel that to a mid-gas for less than the cost differential to the Colt CCU, which is the current turn-key rifle.
Anyone with money laying around and an articulable need / burning desire for a rifle are going to have a hard time handling this.
Fatorangecat
08-05-17, 13:03
These prices are going to normalize at some point. I just paid $850 for a 6920-MPS-B locally. I know I could have found one cheaper online but I wanted to hand pick one. In conversation the salesman pointed out all the other Colt 6920s and 6720s were $1176 and once the overstock on the MPS-B was sold they would go up to the same. I think once the big online sellers run out of overstock we will all regret not buying a couple of these.
peashooter76
08-05-17, 16:18
That's because with that barrel profile the rear QD point cannot be used.
Does Centurion make two versions of the same rail? One with QD sockets and one without.
Pretty sure it's standard profile. But that area where the QD is at needs more depth like the original CMR rail. Mine original CMR and the CMR MLOK are noticeably different. I should add that "I suspect" this is the issue since I haven't tried that exact configuration.
What barrel profile is it?
Well it would appear so since it's shown in the pic.
Does Centurion make two versions of the same rail? One with QD sockets and one without.
If 6920 based it should chrome lined barrel correct? Every where I have read chromelined isn't mentioned.
Pulled from spec sheet:
SKU LE6920-R Upper Rec. Material 7075-T6 Aluminum Lower Rec. Material 7075-T6 Aluminum
Upper Rec. Finish Black Hardcoat Anodized Lower Rec. Finish Black Hardcoat Anodized
Model Name M4 CARBINE Barrel Material 4150 CMV Front Sight None Included
Caliber 5.56x45MM Barrel Finish Manganese Phosphate Rear Sight None Included
Capacity 30 + 1 Barrel Technical 1:7RH, 6 Groove, Chrome Lined Fire Mode Semi-Automatic
First Production 2017 Barrel Length 16.1 in. Trigger Type Single Stage
Availability Standard Distribution Overall Length 32-35.5 in. (81-90cm) Grip Government A2 Grip
UPC Code 098289020604 Unloaded Weight 6.5lbs Operating System Direct Gas Impingement, Carbine
Safeties Reversible Safety Selector Included Accessories 30rd Magpul® PMAG® Magazine,
Pulled from Range 365 article:
“The Trooper offers a really great opportunity for fans of the Colt AR-15 platform,” said Justin Baldini, product director for Colt, in a statement. “We set out to create something that is right in line with what today’s Colt M4 customer wants, so we started with our industry-standard LE6920 and worked with Centurion Arms to develop a new M-LOK capable free-floated forend just for the Trooper.”
I'm not sure what exactly is different between a standard CMR rail and the one the trooper comes with, but here's a shot of the markings on it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170813/43812a9efb6156b3351c763e1c61ec1a.jpg
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I'm not sure what exactly is different between a standard CMR rail and the one the trooper comes with, but here's a shot of the markings on it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170813/43812a9efb6156b3351c763e1c61ec1a.jpg
According to a post on TOS, "the CMR rail on the 6920-r is the "oem version" which lacks QD sockets and metal inserts for the screws". This info supposedly came from Centurion Arms directly.
noonesshowmonkey
08-13-17, 19:36
Pulled from spec sheet:
SKU LE6920-R Upper Rec. Material 7075-T6 Aluminum Lower Rec. Material 7075-T6 Aluminum
Upper Rec. Finish Black Hardcoat Anodized Lower Rec. Finish Black Hardcoat Anodized
Model Name M4 CARBINE Barrel Material 4150 CMV Front Sight None Included
Caliber 5.56x45MM Barrel Finish Manganese Phosphate Rear Sight None Included
Capacity 30 + 1 Barrel Technical 1:7RH, 6 Groove, Chrome Lined Fire Mode Semi-Automatic
First Production 2017 Barrel Length 16.1 in. Trigger Type Single Stage
Availability Standard Distribution Overall Length 32-35.5 in. (81-90cm) Grip Government A2 Grip
UPC Code 098289020604 Unloaded Weight 6.5lbs Operating System Direct Gas Impingement, Carbine
Safeties Reversible Safety Selector Included Accessories 30rd Magpul® PMAG® Magazine,
Pulled from Range 365 article:
“The Trooper offers a really great opportunity for fans of the Colt AR-15 platform,” said Justin Baldini, product director for Colt, in a statement. “We set out to create something that is right in line with what today’s Colt M4 customer wants, so we started with our industry-standard LE6920 and worked with Centurion Arms to develop a new M-LOK capable free-floated forend just for the Trooper.”
The spec-sheet for the base 6920 is pretty much the exact same, word-for-word, especially in the barrel section.
It stands to reason that this is a chrome lined 6920 OEM with an OEM Centurion rail.
IE the best deal coming or going.
I just wished I needed an AR, but thats not the case. Happy for the guys that are looking. I love me some Colt and some Cent. rails too.
PB
noonesshowmonkey
08-13-17, 19:59
I just wished I needed an AR, but thats not the case. Happy for the guys that are looking. I love me some Colt and some Cent. rails too.
PB
I am in the same boat. I have a 16" midlength with a Troy rail that is all setup as a fighting rifle. I don't need another 16", and if I do, it would be a DMR from Larue Tactical or some such that is moa/sub-moa. Otherwise, it is an SBR upper / suppressor host.
All that said, I am trying really hard to resist getting another rifle as a loaner...
I actually just joined this forum to post here.
I'd been waiting to find a great price on the mps-b, but kept missing the best sales. I found this on grab a gun for $725 shipped. I pulled the trigger without really thinking.
So, I know it's new, but on the advertisements, I keep seeing posts that it's awful and overpriced. Not sure why. Does anyone here have one yet? Mine should be here mid week.
I actually just joined this forum to post here.
I'd been waiting to find a great price on the mps-b, but kept missing the best sales. I found this on grab a gun for $725 shipped. I pulled the trigger without really thinking.
So, I know it's new, but on the advertisements, I keep seeing posts that it's awful and overpriced. Not sure why. Does anyone here have one yet? Mine should be here mid week.
Welcome aboard Dizzo. Post pics when you get one!
RAM Engineer
08-19-17, 18:51
Looks like they finally got the hand guard top rail to match the upper rail height. CCU never did on any example I've seen.
Until someone can give you a concrete reason why it's overprice and sucks, I wouldn't listen to a word. This is the best deal I have seen on a new AR in a long time. Let the haters hate. This is a darn nuce rifle for well under $800.
justin_247
08-20-17, 16:53
I'm not sure what exactly is different between a standard CMR rail and the one the trooper comes with, but here's a shot of the markings on it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170813/43812a9efb6156b3351c763e1c61ec1a.jpg
Looks like the mounting system is missing a screw...
http://2ht1mik98ka4dogie28vqc4y.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Centurion-CMR-MLOK_9007.jpg
Yep. Based on the pictures I've seen of the standard CMR rail, that middle screw looks to secure the rail by passing through a groove in in the barrel nut. Mine is securely mounted, however.
jackblack73
08-20-17, 17:49
That's interesting because that center screw interfaces with the barrel nut, making it near impossible for the rail to move forward. Is that compensated for in some other way? Maybe a torque plate like what MI uses?
I actually just joined this forum to post here.
I'd been waiting to find a great price on the mps-b, but kept missing the best sales. I found this on grab a gun for $725 shipped. I pulled the trigger without really thinking.
So, I know it's new, but on the advertisements, I keep seeing posts that it's awful and overpriced. Not sure why. Does anyone here have one yet? Mine should be here mid week.
I have one and don't think it sucks. The rail mounting is different that a normal CMR, but mine seems quite secure in the 2 weeks I've had it.
You're basically getting a 6920 with the pinned shaved front sight base and a free-float rail for less than the price of a standard 6920. The only knock against mine is the mil-spec trigger, which is a heavy-quasi two-stage affair that is better than some of the others I've wound up with.
That's interesting because that center screw interfaces with the barrel nut, making it near impossible for the rail to move forward. Is that compensated for in some other way? Maybe a torque plate like what MI uses?
Yeah there is a plate where the screws clamp the rail together. I'm curious if it has a standard CMR barrel nut under there, but haven't brought myself to take the rail off. I guess if it gives me issues, I'll swap it out.
Yeah there is a plate where the screws clamp the rail together. I'm curious if it has a standard CMR barrel nut under there, but haven't brought myself to take the rail off. I guess if it gives me issues, I'll swap it out.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170820/bd3c809a22d1fda630fadbc0d8427464.jpg
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I can confirm that it uses a standard CMR barrel nut, the plate has a nub which engages the groove in the barrel nut to prevent the rail from sliding forward. I had a Gen 1 CMR rail that Weapon Outfitters sells that has the newer updated mounting that the M-lok and Gen 2 rail use and it mounted right up without issue.
Finally shipped today. I'll take some glamour shots when it gets here
Finally shipped today. I'll take some glamour shots when it gets here
Whoever was telling you this weapon is garbage is an ignoramus, and worth noting so you don't make the mistake of ever taking their posting serious. I'm going to guess you got that info off another board which has a bunch of clowns on it.
We will expect good pics, we have standards around here once you post about glamour shots.... ;)
We will expect good pics, we have standards around here once you post about glamour shots.... ;)
You know you get jealous of my kitchen counter cell phone pics.
I actually just joined this forum to post here.
I'd been waiting to find a great price on the mps-b, but kept missing the best sales. I found this on grab a gun for $725 shipped. I pulled the trigger without really thinking.
So, I know it's new, but on the advertisements, I keep seeing posts that it's awful and overpriced. Not sure why. Does anyone here have one yet? Mine should be here mid week.
Whoever said that flat out doesn't know what they are talking about. Im on multiple gun forums and every one has the anti Colt people. They like to spew their nonsense but when you actually call them out on it, their problems with Colt rifles are either their personal opinion based on no facts, or they don't like a carbine gassed rifle. Just because someone prefers a midlength doesnt mean the carbine now doesnt work.
I am no photographer by any means, but I do have one on order as of last night, I look forward to having this model Colt in the stable. This is a glorious time when such fine, quality firearms can be had for so very little money. I am glad to see that Colt is starting to come out with other options for the civilian/Law Enforcement markets. Good on Them!
Beat Trash
08-26-17, 10:37
I was surprised several weeks ago, when I stumbled upon the Colt LE6920-R Trooper while doing an internet search for pricing on a 6920, as Colt had yet to start to promote this product. The Trooper is using a 13" rail made specifically for this project by Centurion (According to Centurion). This rail differs from the normal Centurion M-Lok rail in that there are no QD attachments made into the rail, and the mounting screws don't go into steel. Like most, this gun ships without BUIS. It also ships with the traditional Mil Spec type of stock. Functional, but could be improved upon.
I've seen the LE6920-R Trooper on line for as low as $715. For this price point, I think that the Trooper is a bargain.
I recently stumbled upon another internet search which reviewed a new Colt variant. The Colt LE6920-EPR. This comes with the Centurion rail with the QD slots. It also ships with the MagPul PRO MBUS, Bambi selector switch and the B5 stock. The best on line price I found for this variant was $1215.
I really have a hard time justifying spending an additional $500 to go from the LE6920-R Trooper to the LE6920-EPR Enhanced Patrol.
At $715, the Trooper would make an excellent spare rifle, travel gun, ect. and I'm very tempted to pick one up just for those reasons.
At $1215, the EPR is at a price point that would make me look hard at other options that may come with a mid length gas system ect.
Am I missing something...?
At $715, the Trooper would make an excellent spare rifle, travel gun, ect. and I'm very tempted to pick one up just for those reasons.
The Colt Trooper would make a solid extra weapon, but would make a solid duty weapon as well.
........... their problems with Colt rifles are either their personal opinion based on no facts, or they don't like a carbine gassed rifle. Just because someone prefers a midlength doesnt mean the carbine now doesnt work.
I have been told by someone who is in the right position to know, that Colt has tested midlength against carbine, and found no reliability difference between the two, which is why they stay with the carbine. I can't personally verify that as true, but it doesn't sound all that far fetched.
You know you get jealous of my kitchen counter cell phone pics.
I do. I'm a hater.
That is one he'll of a deal! I've been eyeballing the 6960 for a while and am getting close to pulling the trigger on one. This is making second guess if the 6960 is worth $500 for the mid length gas system.
Definitely not worth $500 for a different length gas system. You are getting a great deal with this carbine and you have enough money left over for a quality optic (Aimpoint PRO/EoTech), or Geissele trigger and some ammo. when comparing price tags with the 6960. If you're in the market for a quality AR and pass on this deal, you've got to be insane!
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I'll be picking one up. Can't beat that deal.
I'll be picking one up. Can't beat that deal.
What is the best price for the trooper? Is the EPR worth it over the -R? Do they use the same rail?
What is the best price for the trooper? Is the EPR worth it over the -R? Do they use the same rail?
The rail is specific to the Trooper. I don't see how the EPR would be worth it. Buds has the Trooper for $754 and Top Gun Supply it's $799. I travel for work and can buy in person at either location, so I will. I like doing business at TGS and have never stopped in Buds so maybe I'll try them out.
The rail is basically the same with no QD attachment holes and less ventilation holes. The attachment system is the same except it uses a plate sandwiched between the two sides that has a nub which engages the groove in the barrel nut. You could purchase a 6920-R and all of the upgrades that the EPR has plus upgrade to the standard CMR M-lok rail for less than the cost of an EPR.
Colt needs to start selling the complete uppers separately such as the Trooper and 6960.
Id like to hear how people are attaching slings to these? I was thinking of getting the M-lok QD sling attachment, unless someone has a better plan
Blue Force Gear Uloop or UWL.
Id like to hear how people are attaching slings to these? I was thinking of getting the M-lok QD sling attachment, unless someone has a better plan
That's my plan, as usual.
Just purchased one from Buds, I'm anxious to get it home. $778 out the door that's an awesome deal in my book!
Id like to hear how people are attaching slings to these? I was thinking of getting the M-lok QD sling attachment, unless someone has a better plan
Way Of The Gun Sling also known as the Proctor sling. It's the only sling I use since they came out. I just bought a Trooper after seeing this thread a few days ago and have WOTG sling on it now.
I fondled one of these today at the lgs. It's $809 and feels nicely built. Whole lot of want.
Well I picked up my $716.83 Trooper today. It was dry and looked like it had some cleaning solvent residue on it, but the barrel was highly oiled. Cleaned her up and did some swapping with my other two AR's. This one got the SSA-E trigger, H2 buffer, Raptor, and the Steiner P4Xi. I will get a new stock, trigger guard, and grip for it. Sprayed her down with some G96 to get her started and finished up with some Slip 2000 EWL 30 on the internals. I am NO photographer and this is just a cell phone pic. Look forward to ringing her out after the rain passes.
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Well I picked up my $716.83 Trooper today. It was dry and looked like it had some cleaning solvent residue on it, but the barrel was highly oiled. Cleaned her up and did some swapping with my other two AR's. This one got the SSA-E trigger, H2 buffer, Raptor, and the Steiner P4Xi. I will get a new stock, trigger guard, and grip for it. Sprayed her down with some G96 to get her started and finished up with some Slip 2000 EWL 30 on the internals. I am NO photographer and this is just a cell phone pic. Look forward to ringing her out after the rain passes.
Nice price. Where did you locate it?
Nice price. Where did you locate it?
https://grabagun.com/colt-firearms-trooper-m4-carb-5-56mm-16.html
Saw they were selling quickly and many vendors raising prices, so I ordered me one. $752 shipped. Excited to get it and see how it looks and shoots. Several vendors have the 6920 OEM2 for under $640.
Good buy. The price on these can't last
I put one on layaway a couple days ago. The lower is mine, and a friend will either buy the upper or one of my BCM uppers.
TacticalFun
09-06-17, 22:03
I bought one to put away. Under $800 with shipping.
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I think someone else said this earlier in the thread, I wish I needed to buy an AR as this is an awesome deal. Sadly, no room at the inn for me.
I think someone else said this earlier in the thread, I wish I needed to buy an AR as this is an awesome deal. Sadly, no room at the inn for me.
At these prices, for a Colt with a Centurion MLOK, I'd make room.
ffhounddog
09-07-17, 07:55
I am trying I just bought a 6920 two months ago and then I ordered a Geissele rail for it. I wish I knew about this one too but I bought a 11.5 BCM and a ARX-100. I said I need to stop. too many ARs for me and the wife and kids.
Black rifle disease is an addiction, no different from other addictions. Those presenting with symptoms should consider seeking help from a mental health professional.
Got mine in and set up to my liking. It really is a lot of rifle for the money.
Got mine in and set up to my liking. It really is a lot of rifle for the moneyhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170907/3c3575102e998f417e54bfc84c1eaa6d.jpg
Looks very similar to what I was considering doing with mine, down to the Moe slim and an original Aimpoint CompM I have (circa 1989). Any plans for rail panels, vfg, etc?
Looks very similar to what I was considering doing with mine, down to the Moe slim and an original Aimpoint CompM I have (circa 1989). Any plans for rail panels, vfg, etc?
I'm thinking a vfg(not sure what kind yet) and a tlr-1 hl on the top rail in front of front sight post.
Not a fan of M-lok, but its a good price despite the rail. How do you best mount a sling or flashlight on this rail?
TexasAggie2005
09-07-17, 14:43
Not a fan of M-lok, but its a good price despite the rail. How do you best mount a sling or flashlight on this rail?
Depends on how & what you want to attach;
Sling; paracord, BFG U-Loop, QD cup, etc.
Light; G2X, Scout, X300, etc.
Nice thing about MLOK, is that there is a cheapish option for every type of configuration.
Besides a Magpul MOE SL, this will be my first M-Lok handguard.
I expect BCM to offer M-Lok QD sling cups, just like their Keymod version, which works well.
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TexasAggie2005
09-07-17, 15:45
Besides a Magpul MOE SL, this will be my first M-Lok handguard.
I expect BCM to offer M-Lok QD sling cups, just like their Keymod version, which works well.
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If you don't want to wait for BCM's.
Magpul MLOK QD Sling Mount (https://www.magpul.com/products/m-lok-qd-sling-mount)
I use one and it works fine.
Depends on how & what you want to attach;
Sling; paracord, BFG U-Loop, QD cup, etc.
Light; G2X, Scout, X300, etc.
Nice thing about MLOK, is that there is a cheapish option for every type of configuration.
Light: Scout
Sling: u loop or QD
TexasAggie2005
09-07-17, 16:24
Light: Scout
Sling: u loop or QD
Arisaka Defense MLOK Offset Scout Mount (https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/offset-scout-mount-m-lok)
Magpul MLOK QD Mount ("https://www.magpul.com/products/m-lok-qd-sling-mount)
Personally, I think Magpul's offset scout mount puts the light too far away from centerline when mounted on a skinny rail like the CMR, ALG or Geissele Mk14.
FWIW, my personal setup is a Surefire RM45 mount, on the top picatinny rail of a Geissele Mk14 and a Surefire M600U. I also use Magpul's MLOK QD mount.
Not a fan of M-lok, but its a good price despite the rail. How do you best mount a sling or flashlight on this rail?
I have a BCM 14.5" w/13" KMR ELW upper, excellent upper. My Trooper's M-Lock rail feels very similar, the reduced size makes all the difference. I plan on using a WOTG minimalist sling like I have on my BCM. Don't overlook this great rifle at a steal price. jmho
Arisaka Defense MLOK Offset Scout Mount (https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/offset-scout-mount-m-lok)
Magpul MLOK QD Mount ("https://www.magpul.com/products/m-lok-qd-sling-mount)
Personally, I think Magpul's offset scout mount puts the light too far away from centerline when mounted on a skinny rail like the CMR, ALG or Geissele Mk14.
FWIW, my personal setup is a Surefire RM45 mount, on the top picatinny rail of a Geissele Mk14 and a Surefire M600U. I also use Magpul's MLOK QD mount.
I have a BCM 13" KMR w/ELW upper, excellent upper. My Trooper's M-Lock rail feels very similar, the reduced size makes all the difference. I plan on using a WOTG minimalist sling like I have on my BCM. Don't overlook this great rifle at a steal price. jmho
Thank you very much. I'm very tempted!!
I am not there yet with the changes, but close...
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I have a Magpul QD socket on my MOE, though I'm not sure if I've actually attached a sling to it.
This thread is convincing me to sell the BCM upper to my friend and keep the Trooper intact.
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I have a Magpul QD socket on my MOE, though I'm not sure if I've actually attached a sling to it.
This thread is convincing me to sell the BCM upper to my friend and keep the Trooper intact.
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If the BCM upper is a KMR, it would be tough to let it go.
I've got a couple others....a MK12 MOD 4 and an ELW 16" with 13" KMR-A.
I've got a couple others....a MK12 MOD 4 and an ELW 16" with 13" KMR-A.
Nice!
Thanks.
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Arisaka Defense MLOK Offset Scout Mount (https://arisakadefense.com/collections/light-mounts/products/offset-scout-mount-m-lok)
Magpul MLOK QD Mount ("https://www.magpul.com/products/m-lok-qd-sling-mount)
Personally, I think Magpul's offset scout mount puts the light too far away from centerline when mounted on a skinny rail like the CMR, ALG or Geissele Mk14.
FWIW, my personal setup is a Surefire RM45 mount, on the top picatinny rail of a Geissele Mk14 and a Surefire M600U. I also use Magpul's MLOK QD mount.
Does the arisaka mount come with the rings to hold the scout light? Thanks.
Instead of rings for attachment, Scout lights use two bolts, which interface with the mount. This mount, like other Scout mounts, don't come with rings.
I haven't decided yet on the light mount, but it'll use 1" offset rings for a Malkoff MD2/M61HOT.
Instead of rings for attachment, Scout lights use two bolts, which interface with the mount. This mount, like other Scout mounts, don't come with rings.
I haven't decided yet on the light mount, but it'll use 1" offset rings for a Malkoff MD2/M61HOT.
Thanks. Don't want to derail the thread, but how does the Malkoff MD2/M61HOT compare to the scout m600? I have no experience with Malkoff devices. Thanks.
I've been a lurker on the forum for awhile, but first time posting. I just picked up my trooper after a 3 week wait from Grabagun. When I got it home and started to clean it up, I noticed orange on the bottom side of the barrel between the end of the rail and the flash hider. After I wiped it away, it appeared to be surface rust and some scratches. I rubbed at it for awhile with CLP on a patch and got some of it off, but some of it is still there. Could someone confirm if that's indeed what I'm seeing? Just wondering if I should contact Colt or if I'm making something out of nothing? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170908/2bb7bc64a3953acb75a04bb7cb9560e1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170908/651ec1529096c2e49f5e3bf03a0a13be.jpg
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Welcome to forum activity.
While the scratches are far from ideal, I've ready repeatedly that Colt is less than supremely careful with the handling of the rifles as they pass through the manufacturing process, and scratches and dings aren't considered worthy of a trip back to Colt if they don't affect function.
I'm not certain that what you're seeing is rust. Are you referring to the colored streaks that go across the scratches from side to side? I would expect rust to be embedded within the scratches, and restricted to that area. It looks a lot like the dried Cosmoline residue visible on old mil-surps. I've not personally used an all in one CLP product, but it may be too mild to remove whatever is on the barrel. Something a bit more aggressive, even Hoppes, may be in order to remove it.
Thanks for the reply. I should have taken pics before because like I said I was able to remove most of it. It was primarily in the scratches and those discolored areas between the scratches and the rail.
I hear you on the other point as well, mine also had a ding on one side of the charging handle and a couple scratches on the rail. I know it will get some battle scars over time, but would have preferred to put them there myself :) I'm not concerned about it, overall I really like the rifle and can't wait to shoot it!
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The discoloring is from the preservative Colt uses
Definitely not rust. As mentioned above, the orange around the gas block is caused by a preservative used by Colt and a couple of other companies.
Great, thank you all for the feedback! On an unrelated topic, has anyone that purchased one of these had any luck in submitting them for the promotion that Colt was running for a free case and mag? The offer said it was good for any 6920 model, but they denied my submission because they said it wasn't a valid model.
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Great, thank you all for the feedback! On an unrelated topic, has anyone that purchased one of these had any luck in submitting them for the promotion that Colt was running for a free case and mag? The offer said it was good for any 6920 model, but they denied my submission because they said it wasn't a valid model.
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Colt must be hurting for money - NO surprise - and allegedly is denying most 6920 claims that are non-standard (i.e., Mexican, SOCOM, Trooper, etc.).
Great, thank you all for the feedback! On an unrelated topic, has anyone that purchased one of these had any luck in submitting them for the promotion that Colt was running for a free case and mag? The offer said it was good for any 6920 model, but they denied my submission because they said it wasn't a valid model.
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They denied mine as well, I called their rebate hotline and contested based on the fact they're ad states "any" 6920. They are supposed to call me back in under two weeks. The customer service representative also said that most contested rebates are approved.
I wasn't even aware there was an active promotion. A search come up with the following from http://www.colt.com/Media/Press-Releases/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/174/Colt-Announces-Summer-of-Colt-Promotions
"The M4 Summer promotion applies to the purchase of models LE6920, LE6920MPS-B, LE6920MPS-FDE, LE6920MPS-STG, LE6920-OEM1, and LE6920-OEM2 only. M4 Summer offer includes a Drago™ Gear Discreet Gun Case and Magpul® PMAG® magazine. M4 Summer offer is limited to one per household."
It seems that it has expired, and it seems likely to be replaced with a Fall promotion.
I wasn't even aware there was an active promotion. A search come up with the following from http://www.colt.com/Media/Press-Releases/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/174/Colt-Announces-Summer-of-Colt-Promotions
"The M4 Summer promotion applies to the purchase of models LE6920, LE6920MPS-B, LE6920MPS-FDE, LE6920MPS-STG, LE6920-OEM1, and LE6920-OEM2 only. M4 Summer offer includes a Drago[emoji769] Gear Discreet Gun Case and Magpul[emoji768] PMAG[emoji768] magazine. M4 Summer offer is limited to one per household."
It seems that it has expired, and it seems likely to be replaced with a Fall promotion.It's misleading though because the ad for the promo states "Any 6920 model"
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That ad definitely makes it seem like a Trooper is included.
Just grabbed one today. Nice rifle.
Finally got it! Well oiled all around. Classic colt scratches. I expect it will get more;)Well put togeather. Its a 6920 with a free float m lok. No brainer. Pick one up if you can think of a reason to get one
Trips got my FFLs info today so hoping mine goes out on Monday. I want it!
I'm lucky I guess, Buds not too far away. 1.25 hours from me.
Here this will tied you over.
Uhh, down to $709 shipped on Centerfire and $712 shipped on GrabAGun. I only paid slightly more so not too upset, but how low can these things go?
Uhh, down to $709 shipped on Centerfire and $712 shipped on GrabAGun. I only paid slightly more so not too upset, but how low can these things go?
I couldn't be upset. I just forwarded the link to Buds to a friend, because he is thinking of driving there this weekend. They actually lowered their price a little after a small increase last week. $14 cheaper than I paid Saturday. Who knows how long it will last but I would suggest grabbing one if you want it.
I couldn't be upset. I just forwarded the link to Buds to a friend, because he is thinking of driving there this weekend. They actually lowered their price a little after a small increase last week. $14 cheaper than I paid Saturday. Who knows how long it will last but I would suggest grabbing one if you want it.
Oh i've got one on the way, but I had been monitoring the OEM 1s and 2s with the low pro gas block and was considering one of them as well, since they are just over $600 right now. I might as well order a Trooper for $100 more and sell the rail, I am sure I can get at least that for it!
Oh i've got one on the way, but I had been monitoring the OEM 1s and 2s with the low pro gas block and was considering one of them as well, since they are just over $600 right now. I might as well order a Trooper for $100 more and sell the rail, I am sure I can get at least that for it!
That's a good option, plus the Trooper comes with the CAR stock. I was planning OEM as well but Trooper made more sense at the price. Now I like the rail it came with so win win.
Uhh, down to $709 shipped on Centerfire and $712 shipped on GrabAGun. I only paid slightly more so not too upset, but how low can these things go?
I think what we're seeing is the selloff of the surplus intended to move rapidly if Hills won the election.
As soon as sales slow, prices will drop to a level that equals turning guns back into cash, for PM, Break maintenance, cash flow, etc...and then, when they're gone, life (and prices) go back to normal.
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I think what we're seeing is the selloff of the surplus intended to move rapidly if Hills won the election.
As soon as sales slow, prices will drop to a level that equals turning guns back into cash, for PM, Break maintenance, cash flow, etc...and then, when they're gone, life (and prices) go back to normal.
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Maybe. I know that in general, forum participation is a smaller percentage of total ownership, but it sure seems like many folks in the AR world are truly moving to owning not just a few but several ARs. The industry is going to be in an interesting place if all of this is just "overstock" being sold and then they start to creep prices back up. What I'd hate to see happen is if this is overstock, once it is sold off, for prices to go back up and then rifle sales stall hard and force some of the quality producers to cut back on their R&D, reduce their total product line, or even heaven forbid sacrifice quality (which IMO would be WORSE than if they went out of business).
I like many people being able to own quality ARs at a reasonable price. Considering you can get a Colt for the price of a cheap 55" television, its a great time to be a shooter. Plus the more shooters we have, the higher demand for ammo, and as long as they ammo suppliers can source the necessary materials, they should continue to produce at a high rate and keep prices low.
It's simply a matter of demand and supply. Demand is down, and the supply is endless given the plethora of manufacturers that responded to the high demand for the past 8 years when FBHO stole the office. Prices will remain low for standard ARs, but boutique ARs will remain at higher prices, albeit not so high as in past years. We will see manufacturers, distributors, online/brick and mortar stores go under though, but that is capitalism at its best.
Hatterasurf
09-13-17, 10:22
First time poster but I have been reading for a while since I am interested in buying my first AR and it seem like the perfect time. I have been researching ars for a while that are in my price range of $1000. What I have found is the this Trooper and been checking prices. The past three days grabagun.com have lower the price and today it's $699. I guess for that price why not make it my first. It seem to be a great platform. Thanks for all info I have been reading over the past month.
For those who have these, have you confirmed that none of the "Expanse" downgraded parts made it into these? The consensus seems to be that these are leftover OEM2s, which should have good BCGs and lower parts. If so, it's a steal at $709. Speaking of that, has anyone actually ordered one from Centerfireguns.com? Never heard of them, but the price is great. Thanks!
For those who have these, have you confirmed that none of the "Expanse" downgraded parts made it into these? The consensus seems to be that these are leftover OEM2s, which should have good BCGs and lower parts. If so, it's a steal at $709. Speaking of that, has anyone actually ordered one from Centerfireguns.com? Never heard of them, but the price is great. Thanks!
Mine is all 6920, no expanse stuff.
I think what we're seeing is the selloff of the surplus intended to move rapidly if Hills won the election.
As soon as sales slow, prices will drop to a level that equals turning guns back into cash, for PM, Break maintenance, cash flow, etc...and then, when they're gone, life (and prices) go back to normal.
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Mine has an assembly date of March on the bag. Maybe overstock of parts leftover, who knows.
For those who have these, have you confirmed that none of the "Expanse" downgraded parts made it into these? The consensus seems to be that these are leftover OEM2s, which should have good BCGs and lower parts. If so, it's a steal at $709. Speaking of that, has anyone actually ordered one from Centerfireguns.com? Never heard of them, but the price is great. Thanks!
Centerfire in KY is gtg.
Thanks for the fast replies and good reports. The cheapest deals from gundeals are Grabagun and Centerfireguns, which appears to be in Lakewood, CO. Here are the links:
http://www.centerfireguns.com/colt-trooper-5-56-16-30-blk-le6920r.html
http://grabagun.com/colt-firearms-trooper-m4-carb-5-56mm-16.html
Just wondering if anyone has tried one of these deals...
Thanks for the fast replies and good reports. The cheapest deals from gundeals are Grabagun and Centerfireguns, which appears to be in Lakewood, CO. Here are the links:
http://www.centerfireguns.com/colt-trooper-5-56-16-30-blk-le6920r.html
http://grabagun.com/colt-firearms-trooper-m4-carb-5-56mm-16.html
Just wondering if anyone has tried one of these deals...
I've ordered several times from grabagun. Firearms and accessory orders. All good experiences so far.
Thanks again to everyone for responding!
Hatterasurf
09-13-17, 15:19
Grabagun.com has lowered the price again today down to $697. Just two dollars but how low can it go? It's like watching a bad stock continue to plummet.
Grabagun.com has lowered the price again today down to $697. Just two dollars but how low can it go? It's like watching a bad stock continue to plummet.
The gun market is tanking.
We should all get 2...
On that note, how man ARs do y'all reckon are in the wild in the CONUS?
I paid $716 for mine from Grabagun, and it was a steal at that price. At $697, they need a kiss since you are raping them.:dance3:
The Trooper is becoming my favorite AR, the Centurion M-Lock rail is outstanding!
Grabagun.com has lowered the price again today down to $697. Just two dollars but how low can it go? It's like watching a bad stock continue to plummet.
There's a "bottom" with that sales model. Like a reverse Dutch auction.
They'll find it soon enough.
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For those who have these, have you confirmed that none of the "Expanse" downgraded parts made it into these? The consensus seems to be that these are leftover OEM2s, which should have good BCGs and lower parts. If so, it's a steal at $709. Speaking of that, has anyone actually ordered one from Centerfireguns.com? Never heard of them, but the price is great. Thanks!
Interesting question.
I checked mine. Colt barrel, Colt bolt, Colt upper receiver, lower appears to be all Colt, but the carrier is not marked "C". It is properly staked, though.
Interesting question.
I checked mine. Colt barrel, Colt bolt, Colt upper receiver, lower appears to be all Colt, but the carrier is not marked "C". It is properly staked, though.
That seems to be a common occurrence lately that BCG's are not marked, whether they are missed or outsourced they apparently are still to spec. My 6920-R and 6960 BCG are not marked, but the bolts are still marked MPC. Barrels have proper CAGE codes, etc.
Cincinnatus15
09-14-17, 09:15
That seems to be a common occurrence lately that BCG's are not marked, whether they are missed or outsourced they apparently are still to spec. My 6920-R and 6960 BCG are not marked, but the bolts are still marked MPC. Barrels have proper CAGE codes, etc.
How can we be sure they're still in spec? Just playing devils advocate...
How can we be sure they're still in spec? Just playing devils advocate...
You can't, barring independent testing. Colt's SNAFU with the Expanse series ensured people will forever doubt the quality of the components of all Colt rifles made during the Expanse era.
How can we be sure they're still in spec? Just playing devils advocate...
I agree, but from all outward appearances the bolts are still manufactured in house with proper MPI/HPT, the barrels still have the correct CAGE code, proper staking of BCG'S and castle nut, etc. I believe the Expanse series did not meet these specifications. QC may be lacking on some newer Colts and they may be outsourcing the manufacture of more components than they have historically, but it seems they are still maintaining some quality standard and are still a reliable choice for a duty/home defense carbine.
Interesting question.
I checked mine. Colt barrel, Colt bolt, Colt upper receiver, lower appears to be all Colt, but the carrier is not marked "C". It is properly staked, though.
Thanks for the info. I ordered one yesterday and will tear it apart and look it over. I have a friend with a standard 6920 from a couple of years ago, so I can compare. I'll post the results here.
Hatterasurf
09-14-17, 10:56
Where did you orders yours from?
Where did you orders yours from?
Grabagun for $705.98 shipped.
I agree, but from all outward appearances the bolts are still manufactured in house with proper MPI/HPT, the barrels still have the correct CAGE code, proper staking of BCG'S and castle nut, etc. I believe the Expanse series did not meet these specifications. QC may be lacking on some newer Colts and they may be outsourcing the manufacture of more components than they have historically, but it seems they are still maintaining some quality standard and are still a reliable choice for a duty/home defense carbine.
The best Colts were made pre-2009.
Thanks for the info. I ordered one yesterday and will tear it apart and look it over. I have a friend with a standard 6920 from a couple of years ago, so I can compare. I'll post the results here.
Some markings will differ. Let us know what you got!
I don't see the carrier "C" mark as an issue. I bought mine in person and did inspection before purchasing. The "C" missing from the carrier has been a common occurrence for years now. Mine has no C on carrier, the bolt is properly marked "MPC". Barrel has cage code, upper is properly marked, rear CAR stock has cage code. If there were other things that looked incorrect, I wouldn't have bought it, we're gtg on the Troopers. IMHO
That's excellent - I'm really looking forward to getting the rifle.
Hatterasurf
09-14-17, 18:24
So how is everyone going to gear up their rifle? What accessories?
So how is everyone going to gear up their rifle? What accessories?
BCM Sopmod stock, BCM Mod 3 grip, Griffin Armament Rail Shields, Odin Works Handstop, Geillele SSA-E, Magpul QD swivel mount, and a Steiner P4Xi scope.
B5 Sopmod stock, Aimpoint CompM, no idea on rail panels, VFG, or irons yet.
BCM Sopmod stock, BCM Mod 3 grip, Griffin Armament Rail Shields, Odin Works Handstop, Geillele SSA-E, Magpul QD swivel mount, and a Steiner P4Xi scope.That $700 Colt isn't so cheap! Sounds like a great setup.
That $700 Colt isn't so cheap! Sounds like a great setup.
It's sure a lot cheaper than a grand for a start. :-)
grizzlyblake
09-14-17, 19:29
I'm looking at a simple setup of either the 6920 Trooper with DD sights, or a 6720 with a DD rear, otherwise leaving the furniture alone and topping with an Aimpoint PRO. It's essentially the same money for either option.
Can someone who has handled the Trooper comment on how it handles compared to a lightweight barrel?
That $700 Colt isn't so cheap! Sounds like a great setup.
Thank you sir! Fast becoming my favorite AR. The size of the Centurion rail makes it feel very light, even with the Gov barrel.
I haven't picked up my Trooper yet, but I've got another rifle with a government profile barrel and a BCM KMR, which weighs very similarly to the Centurion unit. I expect the Trooper's government profile barrel with lightweight handguard and low profile gas block to weigh less than a lightweight barrel with Magpul MOE handguard and A2 FSB.
I've decided that my Trooper will get the PRO and Troy folding BUIS that are currently on another rifle. I haven't decided on the light mount, but it'll either be an M-LOK Picatinny rail section with a VLTOR/ADM mount I've had for a while, or an Odin Works mount. Magpul or BCM will supply the QD sling swivel mount. I like BCM's KeyMod rail panels, so I'll probably run their M-LOK version also. The Colt fire control group will likely be swapped with another rifle, and the Trooper will receive either an ALG ACT or a BCM PNT. It'll probably receive a temporary BCM Mod Something grip that's in a drawer until I've found a MIAD on sale.
Shooter123
09-19-17, 14:40
Just received my Trooper from grabagun.com. They initially sent me the wrong gun but we got it sorted out and they threw in a free mag for the inconvenience. This is my first AR so I figured I couldn't go wrong with a Colt. Ive added a Magpul vertical grip, Magpul Pro front and rear sights, Magpul MOE SL stock, Magpul trigger guard, and Sig Sauer Romeo 5 red dot. i'm all in at about $1,050. I haven't shot it yet but itching to get to a range.
Here is a pic.
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TacticalFun
09-19-17, 14:42
Just received my Trooper from grabagun.com. They initially sent me the wrong gun but we got it sorted out and they threw in a free mag for the inconvenience. This is my first AR so I figured I couldn't go wrong with a Colt. Ive added a Magpul vertical grip, Magpul Pro front and rear sights, Magpul MOE SL stock, Magpul trigger guard, and Sig Sauer Romeo 5 red dot. i'm all in at about $1,050. I haven't shot it yet but itching to get to a range.
Here is a pic.
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hollowpoint2003
09-19-17, 15:58
Interesting question.
I checked mine. Colt barrel, Colt bolt, Colt upper receiver, lower appears to be all Colt, but the carrier is not marked "C". It is properly staked, though.
For those that are getting non marked carriers, have you seen any "interesting" extractors? I picked up a Trooper last week: non marked carrier, white dot-MPC marked bolt, extractor is marked "T". Anyone came across that extractor before?
Very nice looking Trooper Shooter123, you will definitely enjoy how it shoots.
heavygunner8
09-19-17, 23:57
I am about to purchase a Trooper. Are the rolls marks on these the same as the ones on the regular LE6920?
hollowpoint2003
09-20-17, 00:48
I am about to purchase a Trooper. Are the rolls marks on these the same as the ones on the regular LE6920?
Yes, that is correct...same as any other LE serial # "M4 Carbine."
Cincinnatus15
09-20-17, 04:53
Wait but are these "mil-spec"? ;)
You can now get them for under $700 shipped.
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Colt-Trooper-M4-LE-Carbine-5-56-16-with-M-Lok-Han-p/gun-le6920-r.htm
heavygunner8
09-20-17, 13:25
You can now get them for under $700 shipped.
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Colt-Trooper-M4-LE-Carbine-5-56-16-with-M-Lok-Han-p/gun-le6920-r.htm
These guys just bumped up their price to $899
IKnowNotEverything
09-20-17, 14:06
Reddit found out about the Trooper. I just picked one up from Tombstone Tactical. They had 25 when I left for work at 8 am, down to 2.
heavygunner8
09-20-17, 14:14
Reddit found out about the Trooper. I just picked one up from Tombstone Tactical. They had 25 when I left for work at 8 am, down to 2.
I was responsible for that. I posted the deal to r/gundeals on reddit lol.
Hatterasurf
09-20-17, 14:19
http://grabagun.com/colt-firearms-trooper-m4-carb-5-56mm-16.html $709 here. Get yours now!
IKnowNotEverything
09-20-17, 14:29
That subreddit is the devil for people with poor impulse control. However, they will generally shit all over everything that isn't an Anderson lower or a bottom of the barrel AR.
FYI, Tombstone Tactical actually pulled the BCG out and confirmed that it was unmarked, and that the rail matched previous descriptions. Great customer service. For those of us who are not initiated, is that "C" marking significant?
That subreddit is the devil for people with poor impulse control. However, they will generally shit all over everything that isn't an Anderson lower or a bottom of the barrel AR.
FYI, Tombstone Tactical actually pulled the BCG out and confirmed that it was unmarked, and that the rail matched previous descriptions. Great customer service. For those of us who are not initiated, is that "C" marking significant?
Colt traditionally stamps a C on their carriers to indicate that they made it (or had it made to their specs).
No C could indicate they picked it up on the market.
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My rifle arrived today. I'll take some pictures and post them later, but it appears to have correct markings (except there is no "C" on the carrier). Other than a ding on the shell deflector, it looks clean.
I removed the rail, which is a compression fit around what appears to be a Centurion CMR barrel nut. As mentioned before, there's a small, metal tab that the rail screws pass through. The tab engages the slot in the barrel nut. There didn't appear to be any threadlocker on the screws, though they were snug. I may think about adding some - having them back out would be unfortunate. Any thoughts on that?
The rifle, as delivered, weighed 6 pounds, 3.3 ounces. The rail (including the tab and 2 screws, but not the barrel nut) weighed 9.6 ounces. I'm very pleased. At these prices, it's an excellent value.
The shop also had a made in Germany P225 in pristine condition. I hadn't planned on it, but a real P225 has been on my short list for years, so it came home with me, too. An expensive, but happy, day...
Colt traditionally stamps a C on their carriers to indicate that they made it (or had it made to their specs).
No C could indicate they picked it up on the market.
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Not according to Colt. It has been posted on several threads on this site and others. Colt says they are still made in house. They are discontinuing the C stamp on carriers. Mine has no C but the staking on the gas key bolts looks like my others. Bolt is stamped MPC with dot matrix machine.
Congrats Slimedog. Enjoy your new guns.
My rifle arrived today. I'll take some pictures and post them later, but it appears to have correct markings (except there is no "C" on the carrier). Other than a ding on the shell deflector, it looks clean.
I removed the rail, which is a compression fit around what appears to be a Centurion CMR barrel nut. As mentioned before, there's a small, metal tab that the rail screws pass through. The tab engages the slot in the barrel nut. There didn't appear to be any threadlocker on the screws, though they were snug. I may think about adding some - having them back out would be unfortunate. Any thoughts on that?
The rifle, as delivered, weighed 6 pounds, 3.3 ounces. The rail (including the tab and 2 screws, but not the barrel nut) weighed 9.6 ounces. I'm very pleased. At these prices, it's an excellent value.
The shop also had a West German P225 in pristine condition. I hadn't planned on it, but a real P225 has been on my short list for years, so it came home with me, too. An expensive, but happy, day...
Congratulations! Two very fine choices.
jackblack73
09-21-17, 20:49
There didn't appear to be any threadlocker on the screws, though they were snug. I may think about adding some - having them back out would be unfortunate. Any thoughts on that?
If it's anything like my old CMR, it uses heli-coils. My understanding is threadlocker should not be used with heli-coils.
I picked up the Trooper after work today, and here are a few thoughts.
I expect to like the Centurion rail well enough. It's light, slim, and well machined/finished.
Its trigger may have a bit of creep, as expected, but it's pretty smooth and will likely end up quite nice after some use.
During it's trip through the factory, it only received one ding on the magwell, and some minor scratches on the lower section of the exposed barrel, but they're only visible in good light. I'll likely do more damage than this within the first month of use.
If it's anything like my old CMR, it uses heli-coils. My understanding is threadlocker should not be used with heli-coils.
I believe one of mine had some locker on it after removal and I was surprised. The inserts look a little nicer than Helicoils, but could just be well done and well placed. I can tell you that the helicoils/inserts on my Midwest Industries quad are GARBAGE compared to this Centurion. Just separating the rail as it came from the factory I broke off 2 or 3 small sections of thread and was not happy. It's a two piece quad with FSP cutout. if it didn't have 10 bolts total I would have called MI right then and told them to send me a new one. I'll build it, give it a run, and then see how it holds up.
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Here's a picture of the barrel, rail and BCG. Thanks for the replies and thoughts on the rail screws. I snugged them down and will keep an eye on them. Off to the range tomorrow.
heavygunner8
09-22-17, 21:58
My Trooper came in today. I posted this in my other "first AR-15" thread, thought I'd share it here too. The gun came in pistine condition, seems the blemishes on magwells are quite common as mine got them too.
https://i.imgur.com/XCl8Pzq.jpg
Hatterasurf
09-22-17, 22:02
Looks great. I will be picking mine up tomorrow morning. Now I just need to figure out what I want to put on it. Conflicted on a red dot.
My Trooper came in today. I posted this in my other "first AR-15" thread, thought I'd share it here too. The gun came in pistine condition, seems the blemishes on magwells are quite common as mine got them too.
https://i.imgur.com/XCl8Pzq.jpg
heavygunner8
09-23-17, 00:25
This might be a stupid question as i'm pretty new to AR15s, but swill sweaty palms damage the metal Centurion handguard over time?
NotoriousBRT
09-23-17, 01:55
I just ordered one of these from Buds. They've crept back up a little to $734, but it's still a phenomenal deal for a Colt rifle.
I'm really trying NOT to buy one of the $850 TA31F ACOGs from Arms Unlimited for mine... but damn it'd be sweet.
I just ordered one of these from Buds. They've crept back up a little to $734, but it's still a phenomenal deal for a Colt rifle.
I paid $779 at Buds. I must have screwed up and bought at the high, this is exactly why I don't play the stock market. lol It is very interesting to watch, Colt must be giving different prices every time someone calls or places an order, just to screw with us.
This might be a stupid question as i'm pretty new to AR15s, but swill sweaty palms damage the metal Centurion handguard over time?
I'm not saying a word.
https://www.magpul.com/products/firearms-accessories/rails-and-accessories/m-lok-rail-cover-type-2
grizzlyblake
09-23-17, 07:44
How robust and rugged is the rail on this gun for beating around?
I'm about set on purchasing either the Trooper and put DD fixed irons on top or a 6720 with a DD fixed rear. Either gun will get a basic white light as well. The price for either setup is the same. The Trooper was not on my radar until this thread came to life and I saw the price.
Any thoughts on which would be the better long term "set it and forget it" gun?
This might be a stupid question as i'm pretty new to AR15s, but swill sweaty palms damage the metal Centurion handguard over time?
Sweaty palms??...
Wont be a problem. It’s coated and made from aluminum. It will get freaking hot, though.
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How robust and rugged is the rail on this gun for beating around?
I'm about set on purchasing either the Trooper and put DD fixed irons on top or a 6720 with a DD fixed rear. Either gun will get a basic white light as well. The price for either setup is the same. The Trooper was not on my radar until this thread came to life and I saw the price.
Any thoughts on which would be the better long term "set it and forget it" gun?
Both are very fine rifles, but my vote goes to the Trooper because of the great Centurion rail. It feels real good in the hand much like my KMR does.
The Trooper can be had for $709 + $7.99 shipping here...
https://grabagun.com/colt-firearms-trooper-m4-carb-5-56mm-16.html
A little update:
The VG6 Epsilon 556 came yesterday and I installed it this morning. Plan on shooting it this weekend to see if the claims are the same for me, damn fine looking Muzzle Break.
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Any thoughts on which would be the better long term "set it and forget it" gun?
No difference for that purpose.
How can we be sure they're still in spec? Just playing devils advocate...
How do you know that any component you buy is "in spec"?
You guys don't seem to understand how manufacturing works. They don't build to different standards. Would cost more to do so than to make good parts.
Yes maybe, there are culls. But those have to be clearly marked because the last thing you want is a bin of culls getting mixed in with production parts and blowing a contract
OEM models and the trooper might be signs of overrun or soft market. And low-margin as such, but my bet is they're still making money on these.
This myth of if "it's surprisingly cheap it must be out of spec" is purely a forum thing. Many many overruns happen in manufacturing.
There is precedent for items which do not meet military spec being sold on the civilian market under different nomenclature. Federal XM ammo is a prime example. But it's still meets the commercial specs.
hulibarri4001
09-23-17, 11:37
This gun can be had for 684 plus 14 dollar shipping over at Guns Midwest. I just ordered mine should be here in a few days.
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Wow. I thought my purchase from them at $715 was good, since it jumped above $800 a few days later.
They do charge a 3% processing fee for credit/debit card use, but it's still less than $720 shipped.
This may just be a genius move on Colts part, put out as many guns as possible into the commercial market for just over cost, while the market is soft. This should increase Colts exposure to new buyers, proving the value in what you get from Colt, to a market saturated with cheap ARs with substandard quality. Many will hopefully now buy a Colt since you're talking a much better gun that's not several hundred more dollars than a X, Y or Z brand.
This gun can be had for 684 plus 14 dollar shipping over at Guns Midwest. I just ordered mine should be here in a few days.
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I'll have to check again but I thought Guns Midwest showed $30 shipping for me in NC.
From their website:
Shipping Rates
All Firearms - $14.95 Flat Rate Shipping per order
Silencers - $14.95 Flat Rate Shipping per order
Ammunition - $14.95 Flat Rate Shipping per order
Accessories - $9 Flat Rate Shipping per catagory per order
I need to get out to finish mowing the lawn....so I can go zero the Trooper. :)
hulibarri4001
09-23-17, 18:20
From their website:
Shipping Rates
All Firearms - $14.95 Flat Rate Shipping per order
Silencers - $14.95 Flat Rate Shipping per order
Ammunition - $14.95 Flat Rate Shipping per order
Accessories - $9 Flat Rate Shipping per catagory per order
I need to get out to finish mowing the lawn....so I can go zero the Trooper. :)
How'd she do?
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It ran exactly as expected....flawless. The first 8 rounds were used to zero he BUIS and PRO, followed by by 20 more offhand.
I needed to zero irons on a 308, so I didn't have time for more.
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How do you know that any component you buy is "in spec"?
You guys don't seem to understand how manufacturing works. They don't build to different standards. Would cost more to do so than to make good parts.
Yes maybe, there are culls. But those have to be clearly marked because the last thing you want is a bin of culls getting mixed in with production parts and blowing a contract
OEM models and the trooper might be signs of overrun or soft market. And low-margin as such, but my bet is they're still making money on these.
This myth of if "it's surprisingly cheap it must be out of spec" is purely a forum thing. Many many overruns happen in manufacturing.
There is precedent for items which do not meet military spec being sold on the civilian market under different nomenclature. Federal XM ammo is a prime example. But it's still meets the commercial specs.
Not to mention, how long has Colt been producing the LE6920? With unchanged specs, I bet their tooling and processes are cheaper than ever from a machining perspective, even if labor and materials are more than normal. If they're not innovating, how much additional expenses can they have to cover?
Why innovate the Big Mac when it's been a success for decades, and still going strong? Some fail to see that Colt makes a mean carbine destined for the battle field, nothing more, nothing less.
Well, I took the new Colt out today and it ran like a top. 50 rounds of IMI M193 and 20 of PPU 75g. I'm very pleased.
I've put a MOE grip and a MOE-SL stock (both in FDE) on and used my cheapo Sig ROMEO5 sight. I'm very impressed with how light it is - I may need to buy a Aimpoint Micro instead of a PRO.
Well, I took the new Colt out today and it ran like a top. 50 rounds of IMI M193 and 20 of PPU 75g. I'm very pleased.
I've put a MOE grip and a MOE-SL stock (both in FDE) on and used my cheapo Sig ROMEO5 sight. I'm very impressed with how light it is - I may need to buy a Aimpoint Micro instead of a PRO.
Nice! I'm doing FDE on mine also but not very far along. I just ordered FDE Troy sights today. I'll be in D.C. all this week so hope to mount them and sight in next weekend.
Nice! I'm doing FDE on mine also but not very far along. I just ordered FDE Troy sights today. I'll be in D.C. all this week so hope to mount them and sight in next weekend.
Watch your six in Dodge City, especially if you venture into S.E.
Watch your six in Dodge City, especially if you venture into S.E.
Yeh I know!!! Fortunately I'll be staying in a good area actually in N. Virginia and ventures into the D.C. will be with a few friends.
Thanks
Eurodriver
09-24-17, 14:47
For eight bills delivered and transferred the Trooper is by far the greatest value in the AR platform on the market. Period. That's going to ruffle so many feathers but no one can reach down to their cajones and say otherwise without lying.
So many people drop $2,500 on setups and have such limited proficiency with the rifle that it embarrasses me just being next to them at the range while they try to get the damn thing zeroed. I couldn't imagine seeing them run the four corners of an X transitioning to weak side shooting where indicated with reloading thrown into the mix as well.
This rifle solves that issue. Even a basic complete BCM is gonna set you back $300-$500 more. That's a case of ammo, a magazine carrier and some range time. A fancy rifle is going to be so much more you can take a top tier training class and pay for airfare and lodging and still come out ahead. That is no joke!
I just bought a Trooper and I'm super excited to finally have a quality, no frills inexpensive blaster. I'm going to throw a spare TA31 ACOG on it, play arts and crafts with some Krylon and beat the shit out of it. I've ran over a 6920 with a truck - I think this rifle would withstand that equally well. This is the first time in a long time I have been excited enough about a rifle to actually purchase a new one.
hulibarri4001
09-24-17, 14:50
For eight bills delivered and transferred the Trooper is by far the greatest value in the AR platform on the market. Period. That's going to ruffle so many feathers but no one can reach down to their cajones and say otherwise without lying.
So many people drop $2,500 on setups and have such limited proficiency with the rifle that it embarrasses me just being next to them at the range while they try to get the damn thing zeroed. I couldn't imagine seeing them run the four corners of an X transitioning to weak side shooting where indicated with reloading thrown into the mix as well.
This rifle solves that issue. Even a basic complete BCM is gonna set you back $300-$500 more. That's a case of ammo, a magazine carrier and some range time. A fancy rifle is going to be so much more you can take a top tier training class and pay for airfare and lodging and still come out ahead. That is no joke!
I just bought a Trooper and I'm super excited to finally have a quality, no frills inexpensive blaster. I'm going to throw a spare TA31 ACOG on it, play arts and crafts with some Krylon and beat the shit out of it. I've ran over a 6920 with a truck - I think this rifle would withstand that equally well. This is the first time in a long time I have been excited enough about a rifle to actually purchase a new one.
Amen
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heavygunner8
09-24-17, 15:14
I'm assuming Colt no longer stamps "C" on the 6920 barrels and BCG? My barrel only has "MP" and no "C"?
NotoriousBRT
09-24-17, 15:30
I'm assuming Colt no longer stamps "C" on the 6920 barrels and BCG? My barrel only has "MP" and no "C"?
I think they stopped doing it on the BCG, unsure about the barrel.
The barrel has the cage code 13629
For eight bills delivered and transferred the Trooper is by far the greatest value in the AR platform on the market. Period.
You can say that again!
Why innovate the Big Mac when it's been a success for decades, and still going strong? Some fail to see that Colt makes a mean carbine destined for the battle field, nothing more, nothing less.
That's exactly my point. No need to innovate when what you have is close to perfect (for your customer base) so business 101 says you drive down your costs as much as possible and sell as many as possible.
grizzlyblake
09-25-17, 13:00
Any issues with heat on the tube running without gloves?
Any issues with heat on the tube running without gloves?
Are you referring to the rail?
If so, yes, it can get uncomfortably toasty.
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TacticalFun
09-25-17, 13:15
Any issues with heat on the tube running without gloves?Buy a burnproof gear rail rap
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Buy a burnproof gear rail rap
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Seems bulky, but I havent handled one in person. Do the straps ever get in the way?
TacticalFun
09-25-17, 23:10
Seems bulky, but I havent handled one in person. Do the straps ever get in the way?Nope. I use them on my rails and my suppressors
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Nope. I use them on my rails and my suppressors
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I'll have to pick one up. Ever go on sale?
TacticalFun
09-25-17, 23:18
I'll have to pick one up. Ever go on sale?If you pick up a july tac pack for $50 it comes with one
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If you pick up a july tac pack for $50 it comes with one
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I think I missed that train...unless he's still shipping July Tac Pacs.
TacticalFun
09-26-17, 07:25
I think I missed that train...unless he's still shipping July Tac Pacs.I just texted him asking him if he has any of those boxes. I will let you know
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I just texted him asking him if he has any of those boxes. I will let you know
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Thanks!
TacticalFun
09-26-17, 08:25
Thanks!Send me your email address
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What weight buffer are these shipping with?
What weight buffer are these shipping with?
H buffer
heavygunner8
09-26-17, 23:52
When I hold the gun from the handguard and try to twist, I notice the upper receiver will wiggle against the lower. Is this normal?
When I hold the gun from the handguard and try to twist, I notice the upper receiver will wiggle against the lower. Is this normal?
Yes..
grizzlyblake
09-27-17, 06:26
Can anyone else comment on the alleged heat issue when shooting the Centurion rail without gloves that's been mentioned?
I'm not talking continuous mag dumps, but at most shooting a full mag with 1-1.5 seconds between aimed shots. However, I suppose one never knows what a true defensive situation could call for so I don't want to have a too-hot hand guard if shooting purely reactively without gloves.
All my prior AR experience has been with either Colt or Magpul drop-in carbine hand guards, no free float rails, so I've never had to worry about heat. This is my only hesitation on buying this particular rifle over another 6720.
Can anyone else comment on the alleged heat issue when shooting the Centurion rail without gloves that's been mentioned?
I'm not talking continuous mag dumps, but at most shooting a full mag with 1-1.5 seconds between aimed shots. However, I suppose one never knows what a true defensive situation could call for so I don't want to have a too-hot hand guard if shooting purely reactively without gloves.
All my prior AR experience has been with either Colt or Magpul drop-in carbine hand guards, no free float rails, so I've never had to worry about heat. This is my only hesitation on buying this particular rifle over another 6720.
I'll have some feedback after Saturday's range session. I can't imagine it would be any better or worse than any other similar diameter rail.
Furbyballer
09-27-17, 06:32
throw some magpul mlok rail covers on the rail and it will be fine without gloves. I have 2 of these rails with the rail covers and its never been so hot I couldn't handle it without gloves.
Can anyone else comment on the alleged heat issue when shooting the Centurion rail without gloves that's been mentioned?
I'm not talking continuous mag dumps, but at most shooting a full mag with 1-1.5 seconds between aimed shots. However, I suppose one never knows what a true defensive situation could call for so I don't want to have a too-hot hand guard if shooting purely reactively without gloves.
All my prior AR experience has been with either Colt or Magpul drop-in carbine hand guards, no free float rails, so I've never had to worry about heat. This is my only hesitation on buying this particular rifle over another 6720.
It’s been my experience that this happens to all of the small-diameter hand guards. The magpul and the colt hand guards do a good job of insulating your hand from the heat.
After a firing schedule you described, you will feel warmth, maybe even heat, but it won’t burn you. It could be uncomfortable, though.
High ambient temperatures and direct sunlight enhance this effect. Cool weather & a breeze may make it pretty-much unnoticeable.
I wouldn’t let this sway your decision. The “heat issue” really isn’t that big of a deal. Your getting a great rifle for a great price.
Also, rail panels can almost completely mitigate the heat issue. They’re all over the place and inexpensive.
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Beat Trash
09-27-17, 08:46
Can anyone else comment on the alleged heat issue when shooting the Centurion rail without gloves that's been mentioned?
I'm not talking continuous mag dumps, but at most shooting a full mag with 1-1.5 seconds between aimed shots. However, I suppose one never knows what a true defensive situation could call for so I don't want to have a too-hot hand guard if shooting purely reactively without gloves.
All my prior AR experience has been with either Colt or Magpul drop-in carbine hand guards, no free float rails, so I've never had to worry about heat. This is my only hesitation on buying this particular rifle over another 6720.
Any rail with this diameter will have some heat issues. I've used the BCM KMR rails in the past and now use the DD new M-Lok rails. Both rails have similar diameters and will have similar heat issues. It's worse of course on hot muggy days than in the winter. I put some type of rail covers on these smaller rails over the part where my support hand goes. I currently use the MagPul M-lok rail cover type 2's. These really mitigate the heat issue when shooting. They also help you hands from slipping when out in the rain or on a hot muggy summer day when you're on a perimeter and your hands are covered in sweat. On really cold days when the gun has been outside in the car, the rail covers help if you have to grab your rifle in a hurry without gloves. Cold plastic is better on the bare hands than cold aluminum.
For a gun used for recreational purposes, I would most likely skip the rail covers and put on a pair of gloves. But for a work rifle, or a LE Patrol Rifle, you may not always have the chance to put on a pair of gloves. Some simple rail covers helps with the heat issues as well as helping with other issues brought on by exposure to the elements.
I would go buy the Trooper and not worry about the rail. I've owned a 6720. Nice gun. I have several like new Colt 6920's outfitted with MagPul MOE Sl furniture sitting in my safe. If I could sell them for a fair price, I'd do it in a heart beat and replace them with Colt 6920 Troopers. Unfortunately in this soft market...
Who's selling the cheapest Trooper today?
$709.00 currently at Grab A Gun.....
https://grabagun.com/colt-firearms-trooper-m4-carb-5-56mm-16.html
hulibarri4001
09-27-17, 11:05
Who's selling the cheapest Trooper today?
Guns midwest has them for 689
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I just looked up dealer cost on the Trooper and it is way higher than these places are selling them for, I wonder if these deals are due to a special entry price or something along those lines?
TacticalFun
09-27-17, 11:17
I just looked up dealer cost on the Trooper and it is way higher than these places are selling them for, I wonder if these deals are due to a special entry price or something along those lines?It is a program offered from a certain distributor. They are still making money
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I just looked up dealer cost on the Trooper and it is way higher than these places are selling them for, I wonder if these deals are due to a special entry price or something along those lines?
What's the dealer cost? Colt must be selling them much lower than dealer cost. There is no way dealers/distributors are loosing money on them, but Colt might not make much profit...
What's the dealer cost? Colt must be selling them much lower than dealer cost. There is no way dealers/distributors are loosing money on them, but Colt might not make much profit...
The $899 retail price that most seem to have it for makes sense, and they're only making a Grant bill at that price. I may have to jump on one asap as I doubt the $700-ish price will last long.
It is a program offered from a certain distributor. They are still making money
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Do you happen to know which one that is?
hulibarri4001
09-27-17, 11:38
Must resist....
Don’t resist. Buy one buy one buy one
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TacticalFun
09-27-17, 11:42
The $899 retail price that most seem to have it for makes sense, and they're only making a Grant bill at that price. I may have to jump on one asap as I doubt the $700-ish price will last long.
Do you happen to know which one that is?If you are an ffl call Chattanooga
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Who's selling the cheapest Trooper today?Instead of people asking on this thread every couple days, you guys can just use this link to keep an eye on the prices of the Trooper. Even though the original post is old, the prices listed in the 'compare prices' section gets refreshed daily. I used this to keep an eye on the prices for awhile before pulling the trigger on mine.
https://gun.deals/node/473266
I may have missed this, How much does it weigh and what is the barrel profile?
I may have missed this, How much does it weigh and what is the barrel profile?
http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/Colt-Trooper-Patrol-Carbine
This link has all the vendors:
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/le6920-r
I used Grabagun on September 14 when they were charging $698. Great rifle - I'm seriously thinking about buying another one just in case...
hulibarri4001
09-27-17, 14:08
This link has all the vendors:
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/le6920-r
I used Grabagun on September 14 when they were charging $698. Great rifle - I'm seriously thinking about buying another one just in case...
I vote you buy another one if that helps your decision
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Must resist....
Resistance is futile...
I'm the one who picked up the Sig P225, too. It's been a tough month on the savings account... Just the same, I appreciate the encouragement!
How much you wanna bet, the price goes up by the time im done writing this?
Ordered one Friday for $701 shipped from Cheap Guns Online. Shot mine this weekend, but only a single mag as we were running out of daylight. Going to be a great gun.
hulibarri4001
10-02-17, 12:23
How much you wanna bet, the price goes up by the time im done writing this?
Yeah. It just turned from a Purchase to an investment
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grizzlyblake
10-02-17, 14:34
I've been sitting on the lazy fence about this rifle but when I saw the news at 6am this morning I went ahead and purchased. $721.32 shipped from Guns Midwest.
Am I the only one who's a little annoyed @ Colt for going with the clearly cheaper OEM-only version of the Centurion CMR on the Trooper, whereas they used the nicer version on the CCU?
CCU:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/5511/960896826/wm_9530305.jpg
Trooper:
https://ctrfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Colt-trooper-M4-e1503852834405.jpg
Notice the lack of QD's on the Trooper's rail. Seems kinda dumb that they killed any front sling mount from the factory.
heavygunner8
10-03-17, 02:55
Am I the only one who's a little annoyed @ Colt for going with the clearly cheaper OEM-only version of the Centurion CMR on the Trooper, whereas they used the nicer version on the CCU?
CCU:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/5511/960896826/wm_9530305.jpg
Trooper:
https://ctrfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Colt-trooper-M4-e1503852834405.jpg
Notice the lack of QD's on the Trooper's rail. Seems kinda dumb that they killed any front sling mount from the factory.
Are the base rifle stats the same between the 2?
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