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Interesting, its about 10 years late, but I really hope this is legit and they can keep the quality *consistent* on them.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYwl3zInNy8/?taken-by=armordilloconcealment
MountainRaven
09-08-17, 00:22
SureFire posted an image with a pair of these new M&P pistols with their new 1000 lumen pistol light on one.
Better late than never, I suppose.
https://www.m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=47333&d=1504848072
(Still has those tiny, useless FCS.)
Saw that and got pretty excited. The only two things I dislike about my M&P is that it's grip is way too slick and they didn't have a mid-size. There are so many good looking options out right now, I'm going to have a hard time not buying 3-4 handguns when I go back to a free state soon.
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I'd buy one to add to my M&P family.
The Dumb Gun Collector
09-08-17, 06:36
Will definitely buy. HK needs to take the hint as well.
HK needs to take the hint as well.
Amen to that ! I really hope they do because I'll be all over it. The M&P, not so much.
I'll pick one of these up in a heart beat. I Love my 45 Middy.
Cincinnatus15
09-08-17, 06:57
Is there a release date?
I'd like to add that I personally would wait until the price settles down. You guys go right ahead and have my spot.
So this comes out after I give up on the M&P and went to the Glock 19 because S&W didn't have a gun that size.
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MountainRaven
09-08-17, 10:47
Is there a release date?
Today, apparently. Brownell's is supposed to have them in stock.
Brownells has them for Pre-Order. They are not showing in stock as of now. $529 isn't a bad price though.
vicious_cb
09-08-17, 11:41
I'll wait to see if these guns have accuracy issues...or just get a G19 gen5 since it fixed all the things we chose the M&P over glock in the first place.
$529? Ive seen full size for $375ish. I'll wait...
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$529? Ive seen full size for $375ish. I'll wait...
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$375 ish for a full size 2.0?
Yep. 4.25" 17rd. No safety.
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I am on Buds site now and the cheapest I can find is $469 but that is for a 40. The cheapest 9mm is a regular M&P for $399
It was on gunbroker. New from dealer and eligible for rebate though.
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I am on Buds site now and the cheapest I can find is $469 but that is for a 40. The cheapest 9mm is a regular M&P for $399
I saw on a local forum (to me) the regular first generation M&P were being advertised for less than $350. On the new store guns (first gen or 2.0), if you get a manufacturer's rebate, you might be able to net $350. The M&P in any generation is underrated. I have two (the older ones) and they shoot almost as accurate as custom 1911 9mm.
I love my M&P 45 middy and it shoots better than any other weapon I have. I'll be waiting for prices to come down a bit also.
Slvr Surfr
09-08-17, 16:15
I got to shoot an M&P 2.0 full size w/ stupid thumb safety this last weekend. It is a much more improved gun compared to the first gen. The factory trigger was excellent and IMHO didn't need any APEX fixes. The accuracy appears to be there also.
This should be an excellent addition provided the reliability is there.
titsonritz
09-08-17, 16:50
Will definitely buy. HK needs to take the hint as well.
I would have kept my VP9 if it had been 19 sized.
Will definitely buy. HK needs to take the hint as well.FN as well
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It is about time! This is going to be nice!
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Nice. I was about to get a CZ p-10c but now I'm not sure what to do.
Nightstalker865
09-08-17, 18:46
Looking forward to this!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=515&v=XB4x9Q9xXfA
Here is a video by a Brownells guy. Too bad the guy stutter, stammer, butterfingered his way through the "review". But we get to see a video, that's almost as good as in person. LOL.
DesertDrifter
09-08-17, 23:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=515&v=XB4x9Q9xXfA
Here is a video by a Brownells guy. Too bad the guy stutter, stammer, butterfingered his way through the "review". But we get to see a video, that's almost as good as in person. LOL.
Thanks for posting the link. I have the M&P9 M2.0 full size and it shoots great. I might have to get this in .40 S&W so I am not as redundant. 47371
PatrioticDisorder
09-09-17, 07:08
I'll wait to see if these guns have accuracy issues...or just get a G19 gen5 since it fixed all the things we chose the M&P over glock in the first place.
This, day late and dollar short for S&W.
Eurodriver
09-09-17, 07:16
Yawn. Someone wake me when it does something my Glock 19 doesn't.
Saw that and got pretty excited. The only two things I dislike about my M&P is that it's grip is way too slick and they didn't have a mid-size. There are so many good looking options out right now, I'm going to have a hard time not buying 3-4 handguns when I go back to a free state soon.
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Bought many pistols in your AO. It only requires 3 trips to the police station and a 2 week wait. :(
Well now Im going to have to get this and then gen 5 side by side.
I realy like the MP but that stupid warning taking up half the slide irks the shit out of me.
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Yawn. Someone wake me when it does something my Glock 19 doesn't.
This is exactly what I told my brother yesterday. I was all in on m&p until they started limiting me at 25yds mine was a 40. I just switched to glock to eliminate the drama. If this was out 5 years ago and they didn't have random accuracy issues, I'd be all over them. They feel better, look better and cost less.
But, performance. Even if they are equal - no reason to switch and deal with all the headaches.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XB4x9Q9xXfA
Will definitely buy. HK needs to take the hint as well.
HK needs to make a VP9 with a real mag release
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The Dumb Gun Collector
09-09-17, 18:31
No way, love the paddles.
No way, love the paddles.
Same here. I don't mind the button, but I'd prefer paddles after shooting my friends usp a bit. More secure and easier to manipulate. Should be the standard IMO.
The paddles are way better.
MountainRaven
09-09-17, 19:54
Paddles über alles.
figure4leglock
09-09-17, 23:03
I've moved on from m&ps(other than my shield which I may never get rid of). I just could not shoot them well, and i despised having to buy aftermarket triggers. Of course i never had a 2.0. They do have a lot of positives with reliability, extremely low recoil, and a great grip.
Id love to see a torture test... water test, sand, accuracy of a m&p9 2.0 compact vs a Gen 5 g19. Oh and BTW the m&p's safety is almost unusable to me. It is way too easy to manipulate with no positive resistance. I filed mine a bit to make the hump harder to climb but it is still to easily manipulated for me to trust.
Yawn. Someone wake me when it does something my Glock 19(
I'm somewhat in your camp here, but there is one thing my MP did incredibly better than my Glocks and that is not feel like crap in the hand and point naturally toward my target.
If the compact functions and doesn't exhibit accuracy issues it will sell well. Once the CORE comes to be it may give me pause between a G5MOS or a Compact CORE.
fivepointoh
09-10-17, 08:50
I'm somewhat in your camp here, but there is one thing my MP did incredibly better than my Glocks and that is not feel like crap in the hand and point naturally toward my target.
If the compact functions and doesn't exhibit accuracy issues it will sell well. Once the CORE comes to be it may give me pause between a G5MOS or a Compact CORE.
Pretty much where I'm at, and agree with others HK needs to take notice. Until then I'll keep rocking my P-07's and USPc's. If I can get a decent price on the 2.0 compact I may try one out.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
09-10-17, 10:35
I recently changed departments, and cannot carry my Glock 34 at my new one (no 9mm). I was searching for double stack 45's and the only one that felt remotely good in my hand was the M&P 2.0. I had refused to give the M&P line any attention until I picked that pistol up. It DOES point more naturally for me than my beloved Glocks, interestingly enough.
Anyways, I'd like to pick one of these up as the 2.0 line is very impressive and this size is just what I need.
Well, well... About my next "G19" sized striker fired and because I'm real disappointed with the Glock gen5 grip-cutout,
I'll probably pick this M&P 2.0 Compact or I'll have to wait for the possible next Enhanced Caracal C model.
Linebacker
09-10-17, 12:49
Well, well... About my next "G19" sized striker fired and because I'm real disappointed with the Glock gen5 grip-cutout,
I'll probably pick this M&P 2.0 Compact or I'll have to wait for the possible next Enhanced Caracal C model.
How does the grip-cutout affect you in any way?
Because my medium to large hand size, the grip cutout made the G19 Gen5 feel too short for my hand, I don't like the way it feels holding the pistol, while the G17 Gen5 it's a perfect fit for me even with the grip cutout being there. I have to admit that I haven't even fired a Gen5, just holding the new ones. I'm more than happy with previous generations G17's, So my next new compact sized striker fired pistol must pass my 100% look and comfortable feel requirements.
Linebacker
09-10-17, 14:19
Gotcha. I was expecting not to like the flared magwell, as I much dislike wider base plates. However, it passed my test.
I'm somewhat in your camp here, but there is one thing my MP did incredibly better than my Glocks and that is not feel like crap in the hand and point naturally toward my target.
If the compact functions and doesn't exhibit accuracy issues it will sell well. Once the CORE comes to be it may give me pause between a G5MOS or a Compact CORE.
TAZ as a longtime CORE owner, can you advise if you've seen it posted somewhere that S&W will offer the new model as a CORE variant?
Nice to see another non-glock option to anger glockers with at the range and innerwebs. I always get a kick when some glock owner remarks "your funeral" or "nice range toy" to folks that own other brands.
Problem with me is like the 10c there's just no use for a 19 sized striker in my safe. I'll stick to my two unproven range toys, the Shield and P-01.
Nice to see another non-glock option to anger glockers with at the range and innerwebs. I always get a kick when some glock owner remarks "your funeral" or "nice range toy" to folks that own other brands.
Problem with me is like the 10c there's just no use for a 19 sized striker in my safe. I'll stick to my two unproven range toys, the Shield and P-01.
At least you admit that they're range toys.
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How do you freaks drop mags with paddle releases without adjusting your grip too much?
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Middle finger
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fivepointoh
09-10-17, 19:58
How do you freaks drop mags with paddle releases without adjusting your grip too much?
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Middle or trigger finger. When paddles are an option, paddles are the answer. Coincidentally one of my favorite features of the Bushy ACR when it comes to bolt catch/release.
The Dumb Gun Collector
09-10-17, 21:11
Trigger finger. Fast as hell.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
09-10-17, 22:26
Trigger finger. Fast as hell.
This. All pistols should have paddle releases.
Coal Dragger
09-10-17, 23:04
Agreed. With a bit of practice I can dump mags out of my HK's faster than any other pistols, and with minimal training you can do it with either hand, no modifications to the pistol needed. Between the ambi mag release, and ambi slide release my HK's are so much easier to run with my non dominant hand than other pistols. I kind of laugh when I watch videos of guys doing all sorts of shenanigans to run their Glock etc left hand only as if practicing for an injured dominant hand (assuming a right handed shooter). No need for a lot of that stuff with an HK, about the only extra practice you might need is using the rear sight to run the slide in the event of a stoppage, and feeding loaded mags into the pistol one hand only.
[QUOTE=scooter22;2533369]How do you freaks drop mags with paddle releases without adjusting your grip too much?
Middle finger with me as well.
While I didn't seam to mind the paddle release for the one way square range, I have heard of issues from a few trainers feedback's about this type in stress scenarios.
Might be a falling back to a lower and more etched in level of function for the user, might be extending some basics for trigger finger functions too far, maybe none of that or something else?
What was noticed was that under stress some other more conventional magazine releases had the advantage for some under those conditions.
Consider that for your circumstances, not saying one or the other is better yet. If you choose one, be sure to run some high stress scenarios in training rather than in a possible fight to test it out.
How do you freaks drop mags with paddle releases without adjusting your grip too much?
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With my thumb. I have long fingers.
Gun runs dry, locks back. I index, and also index under the trigger guard with my middle finger. My thumb then pushes down, with my middle finger providing counter pressure. Works for me.
I'm also left handed, so on a "regular mag release" I have to use my trigger finger, and there is some slight grip adjustment anyway.
Trigger finger. Fast as hell.
That's why I reverse all my CZ mag releases.
Maverick07
09-11-17, 22:23
Not to un-hijack a perfectly obscure discussion about the merits of HK's finger-web pinching mag release system... but the M&P 2.0 Compact started shipping today per S&W reps.
Any prediction on it's eventual post new gun price level? Ever since I picked up a Shield for cheap (that I swear I didn't want to like but turns out I did) and I have been thinking about picking up a 2.0 as a result.
Any prediction on it's eventual post new gun price level? Ever since I picked up a Shield for cheap (that I swear I didn't want to like but turns out I did) and I have been thinking about picking up a 2.0 as a result.
I was seeing people talking about a $400 range for LEO/MIL, maybe even a little less. None of the preorders are looking that way though.
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So, you're all able to keep all other fingers on the grip while you manipulate the paddle with your middle finger?
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I made the mistake of jumping on the M&P Shield when they first came out only available with the safety and paid something like $400. A few months later the trigger recall. Seems the logical move would be to wait a few years and let all bugs get worked out. The 2.0 appears to be quite promising and looks good on paper. Hope the grip is similar in texture to Sig's E2.
Milt Sparks are already making holsters for the 2.0C:
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/21751814_1449055725132054_971753161843656768_n.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/21740343_1449053748465585_254323453913606482_n.jpg
Lifted the pictures from Sparks facebook page, hope they don't get mad.
Man, looking at the pictures, it seems they got the grip length and overall size efficiency perfect for concealed carry. Much better than the p10c
FYI, the OAL of the M&P compact is 7.25 " , the G19 is 7.28 ", the CZ IP-10C is 7.3", a .050" thousands differance fom the shortest to the longest, less than 1/16 of an inch.
the weight of the M&P compact is 24 oz, the G19 is 23.65 oz, the CZ P-10C is 26 oz , from the lightest to the heaviest is only 2.35 oz.
the OAH of the M&P compact is 5.0" H, the G19 OAH is 4.99"H, the CZ p-10C is 5.2"H, from the shortest to the tallest is only .210 " thousands of an inch. Not enough to make much of a difference IMHO.
Without checking I believe the Sig 320c would also have pretty similar specs. I hope these new model 2.0 M&P's have better consistant accuracy from pistol to pistol than *some* of the 1.0 versions had.
The same goes for the trigger. Everyone has their preference in a pistols size, trigger characteristics, sights, ergos, grip texture, control layout, etc. , but IMHO, other than getting different sights, you really should not have to dump a lot of money into a pistol anymore to get it the way you want it. Among all the pistols mentioned above and you could also throw in the VP9, Walther PPQ. Beretta APX, FN, I really don't think one of them truly stands head and shoulders above the other anymore, except in your mind.
FYI, the OAL of the M&P compact is 7.25 " , the G19 is 7.28 ", the CZ IP-10C is 7.3", a .050" thousands differance fom the shortest to the longest, less than 1/16 of an inch.
the weight of the M&P compact is 24 oz, the G19 is 23.65 oz, the CZ P-10C is 26 oz , from the lightest to the heaviest is only 2.35 oz.
the OAH of the M&P compact is 5.0" H, the G19 OAH is 4.99"H, the CZ p-10C is 5.2"H, from the shortest to the tallest is only .210 " thousands of an inch. Not enough to make much of a difference IMHO.
Without checking I believe the Sig 320c would also have pretty similar specs. I hope these new model 2.0 M&P's have better consistant accuracy from pistol to pistol than *some* of the 1.0 versions had.
The same goes for the trigger. Everyone has their preference in a pistols size, trigger characteristics, sights, ergos, grip texture, control layout, etc. , but IMHO, other than getting different sights, you really should not have to dump a lot of money into a pistol anymore to get it the way you want it. Among all the pistols mentioned above and you could also throw in the VP9, Walther PPQ. Beretta APX, FN, I really don't think one of them truly stands head and shoulders above the other anymore, except in your mind.
I currently AIWB either a g19, p10c, or a p320 and you're right- they are all so very similar in size. The actual grip, however, on the p10 is longer than the other two and is harder to conceal. I also don't enjoy that the slide is longer and has more mass on the rear on the p10 - makes it less comfy for me. So I suppose besides just overall denensions, the shape of the gun is also important.
FYI, the OAL of the M&P compact is 7.25 " , the G19 is 7.28 ", the CZ IP-10C is 7.3", a .050" thousands differance fom the shortest to the longest, less than 1/16 of an inch.
the weight of the M&P compact is 24 oz, the G19 is 23.65 oz, the CZ P-10C is 26 oz , from the lightest to the heaviest is only 2.35 oz.
the OAH of the M&P compact is 5.0" H, the G19 OAH is 4.99"H, the CZ p-10C is 5.2"H, from the shortest to the tallest is only .210 " thousands of an inch. Not enough to make much of a difference IMHO.
Without checking I believe the Sig 320c would also have pretty similar specs. I hope these new model 2.0 M&P's have better consistant accuracy from pistol to pistol than *some* of the 1.0 versions had.
The same goes for the trigger. Everyone has their preference in a pistols size, trigger characteristics, sights, ergos, grip texture, control layout, etc. , but IMHO, other than getting different sights, you really should not have to dump a lot of money into a pistol anymore to get it the way you want it. Among all the pistols mentioned above and you could also throw in the VP9, Walther PPQ. Beretta APX, FN, I really don't think one of them truly stands head and shoulders above the other anymore, except in your mind.
Thanks for the comparison! I have a p-10c now. I used to have a p320c. Do not know measurements off top of my head but the p-10c feels smaller carrying. I also shoot it better.
I think that carry wise. The g19>m&pc 2.0>p-10c. Obviously close. Shootability for me of g19 gen 4 vs p-10c. Not close. P-10c is much better. I am very interested in the m&pc 2.0. I hope it does well and maybe that lil shorter barrel will help with the rigidity and make her a more accurate. But grip wise and ergos it should be the best. I also like that I can buy ameriglos that I love for it
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The overall thickness of the M&P compact is 1.300" inches, the Glock G19 Gen 4 is 1.180"inches thick and the CZ P-10c is 1.245" thick on the grip and 1.260" across the ambi mag release. I own a Gen 4 G19 and just got a Gen5 G19. The barrel fit on the Gen 4 is better than on my Gen 5 and the Gen 4 is a little more accurate. The trigger is just a little mushy on the Gen 5, but I like it a little better than the Gen4 triggers sight disturbing break. The Gen 5 is also using some parts that do not interchange with the Gen 4, so that could be a downside for awhile. IMHO, the M&P and Glock have their work cut out for them to equal the trigger thats on most of the CZ P-10C pistols once they are broken in, without adding aftermarket parts. I would also give a *slight* edge to the CZ P-10C in its practical (handheld) accuracy compared to the currently produced Glocks, Gen 5 included. Accuracy on the M&P 2.0 9's we will have to wait awhile to see.
The overall thickness of the M&P compact is 1.300" inches, the Glock G19 Gen 4 is 1.180"inches thick and the CZ P-10c is 1.245" thick on the grip and 1.260" across the ambi mag release. I own a Gen 4 G19 and just got a Gen5 G19. The barrel fit on the Gen 4 is better than on my Gen 5 and the Gen 4 is a little more accurate. The trigger is just a little mushy on the Gen 5, but I like it a little better than the Gen4 triggers sight disturbing break. The Gen 5 is also using some parts that do not interchange with the Gen 4, so that could be a downside for awhile. IMHO, it might be somewhat hard for the M&P and Glock to equal the trigger thats on most of the CZ P-10C pistols once their broken in, without adding aftermarket parts. I would also give a *slight* edge to the CZ P-10C in its practical (handheld) accuracy compared to the currently produced Glocks, Gen 5 included. Accuracy on the M&P 2.0 9's we will have to wait awhile to see.
Biggy, know if the 24oz weight you listed for the new 9c includes the mag?
Biggy, know if the 24oz weight you listed for the new 9c includes the mag?
I'm not sure, but here are the specs on the M&P Compact and a review of the 2.0 M&P pistol also. https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/spec-sheets/11683.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU6TPXrM_qg&t=478s
I also like that I can buy ameriglos that I love it
Curious which Ameriglo sights you like.
Curious which Ameriglo sights you like.
These are what is on my px4cc. Favorite sights I have used.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170913/5efcda3f864a404a81d06314daad5233.jpg
Basically a orange cap front with black rear.
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longshot2000
09-13-17, 09:47
For those who have the 2.0 Compact, and have used the M&P Shield, I am very interested in the comparison -- when thinking about concealed carry. I have the Shield, but have not "deployed" it. I carry the G-19 9mm, but the Shield is interesting in its compactness. The Glock is good, but bulky. I have read the threads above comparing the M&P C-2.0 to the G-19, but if anyone had experience with the Shield v. the M&P C-2.0 in 9mm...
For those who have the 2.0 Compact, and have used the M&P Shield, I am very interested in the comparison -- when thinking about concealed carry. I have the Shield, but have not "deployed" it. I carry the G-19 9mm, but the Shield is interesting in its compactness. The Glock is good, but bulky. I have read the threads above comparing the M&P C-2.0 to the G-19, but if anyone had experience with the Shield v. the M&P C-2.0 in 9mm...
I don't think anyone has any experience with the compact, they haven't been released yet.
Two trouble free 9mm Shields. The 45 Shield, tho, is what has really sold me on these pistols. I will definitely be getting the M2.0c as the budget allows.
I don't mind being a beta tester on this one. G19 centric for 22 years, so no complaints about Glock. I carry the 45 Shield daily and run it hard twice a week.
I really don't expect any issues at all from these new pistols. S&W has been working hard to alleviate past problems with some of these M&P guns, and I believe they have been successful in doing so. I'm 72, so this will be my last pistol purchase., Bet ya'll have heard that one plenty of times before.
longshot2000
09-13-17, 10:28
I'm 72, so this will be my last pistol purchase., Bet ya'll have heard that one plenty of times before.
My Dad said that about his gun at 75. Last year, he bought a new Beretta, at age 83.:cool:
My Dad said that about his gun at 75. Last year, he bought a new Beretta, at age 83.:cool: Good on your Dad. We all say that ,and it always turns out to be a teeny white lie.:)
Just pre-ordered one. No idea when it will ship.
Another Glock guy getting in on one of these. I'll wait for a bit until prices drop because BCM is already going to be taking a lot of my money with the MMR and QRF releasing, but I think the M2.0C with an Apex kit, APLc and HD XRs might give my G19s a run for their money in the EDC lineup.
I was seeing people talking about a $400 range for LEO/MIL, maybe even a little less. None of the preorders are looking that way though.
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Quantico has them for 430 with steel sights and 479 with Ameriglo sights.
Quantico has them for 430 with steel sights and 479 with Ameriglo sights.
Yeah I went back and realized I was looking at the Ameriglo version. Apex posted a photo today of their match barrel and flatty trigger in a 2.0 9C. Apparently an email is going out tomorrow.
IMHO, the reality of this pistol is, S&W finally got the size right (what *most* people seem to prefer) and for a lot of people it will feel good or better in the hand than *some or most* of the other top picks. The trigger will be okay, but will not be class leading for *most* without adding some aftermarket parts, and its reliability and accuracy * might * be the same but will not be any better than the other top picks, but depending on S&W's known spotty quality control it *could* be worst. We will have to wait and see. It is really just going to be a different feel in the hand in what is currently becoming a crowded field size wise, thats all.
IMHO, the reality of this pistol is, S&W finally got the size right (what *most* people seem to prefer) and for a lot of people it will feel good or better in their hand than *some or most* of the other top picks. The trigger will not be class leading for *most* without adding some parts, and its reliability and accuracy will probably be no better than the other top picks but it *could* be worst. We will have to wait and see.
I think that's a pretty fair assessment.
M&P user for years willing to switch to G19 Gen5 on the strength of the upgrades. This was a smart move by S&W and if the reliability and accuracy are there with the competition, I'll be getting at least 2 of these. Already invested in holsters, mags, tools like a sight pusher, and fairly deep knowledge of this model and experience shooting it, so this gives a reason to stay with S&W. If the execution is there. I won't be a beta tester for them again though. I'll sit patiently by with my nicely working Shield and Apex'd M&P 1.0's, and let the early adopter community ID the bugs. If no showstoppers, I'm in.
M&P user for years willing to switch to G19 Gen5 on the strength of the upgrades. This was a smart move by S&W and if the reliability and accuracy are there with the competition, I'll be getting at least 2 of these. Already invested in holsters, mags, tools like a sight pusher, and fairly deep knowledge of this model and experience shooting it, so this gives a reason to stay with S&W. If the execution is there. I won't be a beta tester for them again though. I'll sit patiently by with my nicely working Shield and Apex'd M&P 1.0's, and let the early adopter community ID the bugs. If no showstoppers, I'm in.
Same for me- happy with my M&P9C, would like to have 15 round capacity and a slightly longer barrel/slide, but will sit and wait for reviews before biting.
Both Buds & Brownells are showing IN STOCK this morning.
What were the main reasons the M&P pistol did not advance in the military or FBI trials ?
The Dumb Gun Collector
09-20-17, 18:00
Seeing as the program was clearly designed for the 320 I am guessing it lacked the numbers 320 on the slide. Not even kidding.
WickedWillis
09-20-17, 18:22
How do you freaks drop mags with paddle releases without adjusting your grip too much?
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I have small hands and I don't have to adjust at all. Middle finger drop.
On topic, I am excited for this new M&P 2.0 Compact. I am a fan of Glock 19 size guns, and I despise the M&P Compact gen 1, which will now end up being their "Subcompact" version I'm guessing, but it could use a rework too. I am not concerned about the fact it's coming out now rather than earlier either, as long as it's reliable and accurate, I may grab one.
I picked one up last night at a local store. The size is spot on for what I like in a carry pistol. It is soo close to the G19 that I can't notice a difference.
I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, that will be this weekend, but I am sure it won't be much different then the 4.25 inch version. I will say that one thing that stood out to me was the barrel lockup. On my example the, the lockup is rock solid, so I hope all the accuracy issues of past are no longer an issue.
Maverick07
09-21-17, 15:03
Two listings on GB are $425.00 plus $20 shipping and no CC fees. That's better than the LE price, although it doesn't come with three mags. Damn, I just bought a G17 Gen5 a couple weeks ago.
Two listings on GB are $425.00 plus $20 shipping and no CC fees. That's better than the LE price, although it doesn't come with three mags. Damn, I just bought a G17 Gen5 a couple weeks ago.
I'm definitely going to have to pick one of these up, especially for that kind of money.
WickedWillis
09-21-17, 15:54
MAC had issues with the one he just bought, seems like he has issues with every firearm he gets though.
MAC had issues with the one he just bought, seems like he has issues with every firearm he gets though.
Ha, that's true. I don't really care for MAC's content any more, but I don't fault him for his honesty or apparent bad luck.
MAC had issues with the one he just bought, seems like he has issues with every firearm he gets though.
I've followed his advice and chosen not to make or break a gun choice based on his reviews alone.
If they're in stores my pre-order from Quantico should be shipping any day now....I hope.
Hmmm. Decisions decisions. I've been going back and forth now between the Gen 5 G19 or the 2.0 9c. I carry a Gen4 G19 most of the time but I also own a M&P 45 middy. Accuracy wise the 45 is much more so than the G19. The G19 is more comfortable to carry for me. Now that there is a G19 sized M&P 9mm I'm going back and forth between the two. At this point I'm leaning towards getting a 9c because of the ergo's. Everything will depend upon accuracy reports.
MAC had issues with the one he just bought, seems like he has issues with every firearm he gets though.
Do you have a link to where you found this? I don't see a youtube post from him yet on the 2.0C?
WickedWillis
09-22-17, 10:32
Do you have a link to where you found this? I don't see a youtube post from him yet on the 2.0C?
It was on his instagram, I don't believe he has any videos yet.
Do you have a link to where you found this? I don't see a youtube post from him yet on the 2.0C?
Since the M&P9 15rd compact has just came out, I don't believe he has done a test or review on it yet. He has done a review on the fullsize M&P 9 2.0 . Would the results be the same with the 9c , could be , but until it is tested, one can only speculate. IMHO, you can make any gun choke, and the results can sometimes be different everytime you test it. I think you might have to test a pistol like in the vid maybe 4 or 5 times before you can establish a baseline and be more certain about the tests results. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoLjLR9b1LY&t=1035s
FWIW I've seen nothing but "issues" with M&P 1.0 and 2.0...
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FWIW I've seen nothing but "issues" with M&P 1.0 and 2.0...
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When you say you have seen issues with the S&W M&P 2.0 pistols, do you mean from yourself using them, from other people you know using them, or feedback from forums, youtube reviews, etc.? Also, what were the 2.0 issues you have seen ? Thank you
Just ordered one online. I'll pick it up tomorrow.
When you say you have seen issues with the S&W M&P 2.0 pistols, do you mean from yourself using them, from other people you know using them, or feedback from forums, youtube reviews, etc.? Also, what were the 2.0 issues you have seen ? Thank you
here you go, youtube video of m&p 2.0 reliability issues
https://youtu.be/3sJxWZDZ46E
Here is one for the Glock fans, which I am one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5iahKNVj44
Like I said above, any brand and type of sidearm can and will choke at some point.
Referring to the youtube videos, the guy that tested the MP2.0 seemed giddy when the gun malfunctioned. The dudes that tested the Glock, were they some kind of Navy seal delta recon force or something?
I didn't think much of the testers or their tests. Some of those people probably should not even be around firearms.
here you go, youtube video of m&p 2.0 reliability issues
https://youtu.be/3sJxWZDZ46E
I don't think that guy can be taken seriously. He was far too giddy every time he had any sort of issue to appear even remotely unbiased.
In addition using Expressions such as silly gun crappy gun piece of crap and so forth definitely does not Inspire any sort of expectation in an objective test of this firearm.
There have been many criticisms levied at the M&P over the years, some of them quite valid and some of them in my opinion overblown by the wonders of the internet, but I would generally say they are reliable firearm. To the point where if I had one that was malfunctioning that often I would either be looking for ammo issues, magazine issues, or that specific firearm having an issue.
Simply looking at the 2000 round test thread over on another forum would suggest that this guy is full of shit.
And for the record, it is by no means my favorite.
fivepointoh
09-23-17, 13:00
Referring to the youtube videos, the guy that tested the MP2.0 seemed giddy when the gun malfunctioned. The dudes that tested the Glock, were they some kind of Navy seal delta recon force or something?
I normally like Baret Fawbush's videos as I believe he is a good dude and took the internet by storm with his videos of being blazingly fast with his draw and ability to put rounds on target. With that said, those that haven't, should watch his most recent series he is doing by reviewing a good majority of the polymer wonder 9's under $500 to see how they fare. I swear that dude can get any gun to malf. and those that have watched him long enough, or hell, even from that M&P video know he is a glock fan boy. But I can't help but notice how many malfunctions he has. And with the amount of ammo he is putting through each gun, he admits he uses remans/reloads which makes me question any reliability issues experienced while using that ammo.
Eurodriver
09-24-17, 07:11
Referring to the youtube videos, the guy that tested the MP2.0 seemed giddy when the gun malfunctioned. The dudes that tested the Glock, were they some kind of Navy seal delta recon force or something?
If they were, they would have used the Glock 19 so I could see their lack of giving an F over S&W trying to reinvent the wheel (again)
Remember when the M&P first came out and reports started coming out about accuracy issues and shitty triggers? The guys that sold them were the loudest advocates that it was internet BS. Turned out to be a bunch of guys overstocked on a Glock Copy trying to keep the ship from sinking.
When your model literally has a "2.0" version of something because your first one sucked so badly I give the benefit of the doubt to guys doing testing that say there are reliability issues - not brand loyalists who hope this time maybe S&W can get it right.
crusader377
09-24-17, 09:49
When your model literally has a "2.0" version of something because your first one sucked so badly I give the benefit of the doubt to guys doing testing that say there are reliability issues - not brand loyalists who hope this time maybe S&W can get it right.
Using your logic, Glock must be an inferior pistol since Glock is on it's Gen 5. Doesn't speak much to the Glock perfection since if Glock was perfect why would they need 5 different generations.
Yup we are on Glock 5.0 and judging by many of the comments I've seen online they still can't get it right.
Using your logic, Glock must be an inferior pistol since Glock is on it's Gen 5. Doesn't speak much to the Glock perfection since if Glock was perfect why would they need 5 different generations.
Yup we are on Glock 5.0 and judging by many of the comments I've seen online they still can't get it right.
Early intervention: There's a tendency to make any thread mentioning Glock a thread about Glock. It gets really old. Whether you want to adore or indict GI, take it to one of more than a dozen open threads about Glocks unless you directly relate it to the topic at hand. This thread is "S&W M&P 2.0 Glock 19 sized pistol coming out", and should remain closely related thereto. The comments above are examples of what not to do.
FYI, Keeley Arms has them in stock ag $425 Shipped
WickedWillis
09-25-17, 10:28
FYI, Keeley Arms has them in stock ag $425 Shipped
Prices on these are great so far.
Prices on these are great so far.
Yep. I paid $420 for mine.
But I can't help but notice how many malfunctions he has. And with the amount of ammo he is putting through each gun, he admits he uses remans/reloads which makes me question any reliability issues experienced while using that ammo.
I just watched a video from Honest Outlaw Reviews on the 2.0 compact. He had some reliability issues using low power ammo as well. A quick change to a lighter spring fixed things right up and the gun was 100% reliable with the lower power stuff. Everyone must remember that most of these guns will be sprung around the use of full power / duty ammo.
I personally put 150 rounds of reloaded ammo that was around 130PF thru mine this weekend with zero issues. I should get to put another 500 rounds through it this weekend.
For me, I generally re-spring all of my pistol to get optimal performance for the loads I will be running.
Was finally able to shoot one today......Wow, is all I have to say right now. I did not have high expectation for it due to my previous exploits with the 1st Gen guns, but I am speechless. I have dabbled in multiple platforms as on and off duty guns for several years. For one reason or another I always seem to find myself going back to my old standby the G19. I genuinely believe S&W has hit the nail right on the head this time.
I gravitate to mid size or compact sized guns, think G19 sized pistols, as I typically carry off duty what I carry on duty. For me it is easier to use the same platform for both, as I can become extremely efficient with it and not have to go back and forth. I know I know, you can carry a 17 on duty and a 26 off, but why?. They are both glocks, but both have different characteristics. I like to remove all the variables I can. I can run the hell out of it during training, and know what I can do with that particular weapon. I don't have to worry about advantages or limitations dependent on which size I am carrying at that time, same same.
Anyway now I finally have something exactly the same size as my fallback platform. I can run a glock just fine, but the M&P 2.0 Compact is a different animal all together. It was stupid easy to make a zones hits extremely fast, even more so than I can with my G19. There was no learning curve on the trigger with the M&P. It's not great, nor is it horrible. It is a good solid workable combat trigger. I would of course prefer it not being hinged, but Apex will fix that for me later down the road. The trigger just works and works well if you go into know what it is, and not expecting more.
Further testing on my part is required, but as soon as I shot it, I called and ordered one, and a set of sights for it. I will have it tomorrow, and Thursday it will spend all day at the range to the tune of around 500 plus rounds. We have training that day, and it will be run right from the box, without cleaning. If it holds up without issues, It will enter into my duty rotation. My 5th Gen G19 went 600 rounds the first week straight from the box before it was cleaned. The M&P should be able to do the same. My past M&P's were able to do it, this one shouldn't be any different.
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Here are some Pics comparing the size differences between the new S&W M&P compact, the Gen 5 G19 and the CZ P-10c pistols and their magazines. * If * the accuracy, functional reliabilty and long term durability prove to be there with the new M&P compact, it will be another excellent option for those looking for a G19 sized pistol. The trigger on mine really needs nothing out of the box, but a flat faced Apex trigger shoe like Texaspoff mentioned above would make it feel better to *me*. Also, the trigger on the M&P breaks approx 1/8" farther back than on the other two pistols . The barrel fit on mine is excelent , very tight with zero play anywhere. The 2.0 pistols also have a detent that bears on the slide release to make it much harder for the slide to auto forward when doing a hard mag insertion, but it also makes the slide release a little harder to operate. The spring can be modified somewhat though to suit your preference if needed.
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Two listings on GB are $425.00 plus $20 shipping and no CC fees. That's better than the LE price, although it doesn't come with three mags. Damn, I just bought a G17 Gen5 a couple weeks ago.
S&Ws rebate runs through end of the month and includes 2.0c’s. 2 extra mags, some kinda ammo. So for those prices you really get 4 mags. Not a bad deal.
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Was finally able to shoot one today......Wow, is all I have to say right now. I did not have high expectation for it due to my previous exploits with the 1st Gen guns, but I am speechless. I have dabbled in multiple platforms as on and off duty guns for several years. For one reason or another I always seem to find myself going back to my old standby the G19. I genuinely believe S&W has hit the nail right on the head this time.
I gravitate to mid size or compact sized guns, think G19 sized pistols, as I typically carry off duty what I carry on duty. For me it is easier to use the same platform for both, as I can become extremely efficient with it and not have to go back and forth. I know I know, you can carry a 17 on duty and a 26 off, but why?. They are both glocks, but both have different characteristics. I like to remove all the variables I can. I can run the hell out of it during training, and know what I can do with that particular weapon. I don't have to worry about advantages or limitations dependent on which size I am carrying at that time, same same.
Anyway now I finally have something exactly the same size as my fallback platform. I can run a glock just fine, but the M&P 2.0 Compact is a different animal all together. It was stupid easy to make a zones hits extremely fast, even more so than I can with my G19. There was no learning curve on the trigger with the M&P. It's not great, nor is it horrible. It is a good solid workable combat trigger. I would of course prefer it not being hinged, but Apex will fix that for me later down the road. The trigger just works and works well if you go into know what it is, and not expecting more.
Further testing on my part is required, but as soon as I shot it, I called and ordered one, and a set of sights for it. I will have it tomorrow, and Thursday it will spend all day at the range to the tune of around 500 plus rounds. We have training that day, and it will be run right from the box, without cleaning. If it holds up without issues, It will enter into my duty rotation. My 5th Gen G19 went 600 rounds the first week straight from the box before it was cleaned. The M&P should be able to do the same. My past M&P's were able to do it, this one shouldn't be any different.
TXPO
I am interested in your findings. I seem to agree with you on pistols so I would like to see where you land on this.
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Here are some Pics comparing the size differences between the new S&W M&P compact, the Gen 5 G19 and the CZ P-10c pistols and their magazines. * If * the accuracy, functional reliabilty and long term durability prove to be there with the new M&P compact, it will be another excellent option for those looking for a G19 sized pistol. The trigger on mine really needs nothing out of the box, but a flat faced Apex trigger shoe like Texaspoff mentioned above would make it feel better to *me*. Also, the trigger on the M&P breaks approx 1/8" farther back than on the other two pistols . The barrel fit on mine is excelent , very tight with zero play anywhere. The 2.0 pistols also have a detent that bears on the slide release to make it much harder for the slide to auto forward when doing a hard mag insertion, but it also makes the slide release a little harder to operate. The spring can be modified somewhat though to suit your preference if needed.
Thank you! Exactly the comparisons I was looking into.
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Was finally able to shoot one today......Wow, is all I have to say right now. I did not have high expectation for it due to my previous exploits with the 1st Gen guns, but I am speechless. I have dabbled in multiple platforms as on and off duty guns for several years. For one reason or another I always seem to find myself going back to my old standby the G19. I genuinely believe S&W has hit the nail right on the head this time.
I gravitate to mid size or compact sized guns, think G19 sized pistols, as I typically carry off duty what I carry on duty. For me it is easier to use the same platform for both, as I can become extremely efficient with it and not have to go back and forth. I know I know, you can carry a 17 on duty and a 26 off, but why?. They are both glocks, but both have different characteristics. I like to remove all the variables I can. I can run the hell out of it during training, and know what I can do with that particular weapon. I don't have to worry about advantages or limitations dependent on which size I am carrying at that time, same same.
Anyway now I finally have something exactly the same size as my fallback platform. I can run a glock just fine, but the M&P 2.0 Compact is a different animal all together. It was stupid easy to make a zones hits extremely fast, even more so than I can with my G19. There was no learning curve on the trigger with the M&P. It's not great, nor is it horrible. It is a good solid workable combat trigger. I would of course prefer it not being hinged, but Apex will fix that for me later down the road. The trigger just works and works well if you go into know what it is, and not expecting more.
Further testing on my part is required, but as soon as I shot it, I called and ordered one, and a set of sights for it. I will have it tomorrow, and Thursday it will spend all day at the range to the tune of around 500 plus rounds. We have training that day, and it will be run right from the box, without cleaning. If it holds up without issues, It will enter into my duty rotation. My 5th Gen G19 went 600 rounds the first week straight from the box before it was cleaned. The M&P should be able to do the same. My past M&P's were able to do it, this one shouldn't be any different.
TXPO
If you haven't yet, hope you shoot some 25 yard groups and report back.
I picked mine up today. Anyone else find the texture is too rough? There's only one finger that I think its too rough for, and that's the first knuckle on my middle finger. I am thinking of taking a bit of sand paper to that specific area to calm my skin down a bit.
Picked mine up today as well.
I like the extremely rough texture, but that is just a personal thing.
My only complaint is the same I have about all of them. I just hate the amount of take up in the trigger before it breaks. I really wish we had a Forward set trigger kit available for the 2.0 from Apex, but no such luck yet.
Plan on putting a couple hundred through it tomorrow. But if it shoots as well as my 5 inch model this may replace my G19 for EDC.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
09-26-17, 04:07
I picked mine up today. Anyone else find the texture is too rough? There's only one finger that I think its too rough for, and that's the first knuckle on my middle finger. I am thinking of taking a bit of sand paper to that specific area to calm my skin down a bit.
At first I thought it was too rough, but now I dont even notice it.
I am interested in your findings. I seem to agree with you on pistols so I would like to see where you land on this.
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I will give a brief review of it once I run it Thursday. I will of course be shooting it out to at least 25 and probably 50 or more. I ran my 5th Gen G19 out to 25 and groups were tighter with it than with my 4th gens. We will see how the 2.0 does and go from there.
I'l make sure and take some photos of the targets for viewing pleasure, as long as they don't look too bad...:)
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I would like to see S&W or the aftermarket come out with a solid takedown tool for removing the grip inserts, and loose the lanyard, it would feel a little better to me. They could also come out with one that is flush that you could use an allen wrench or regular screwdriver to remove the tool. It would make it just a little more concelable. Also the difference between the medium and the largest grip inert is 1/8" inch in trigger reach and 1/8" inch in grip thickness. So unless you have hands the size of Tiny Tim or Shaq this pistol will probably fit your hand. Dry firing my CZ P-10c's trigger along side my new M&P compact, I'll just say that to *me* that *overall* the CZ's is better but out of the box *my* M&P 2.0 compact's trigger is real nice and its factory stock trigger should not hinder the pistols accuracy at all.
Ok hive, where are we at with holsters? I’ve already got an email/order in with JM Kydex but that’ll be a while. Coming from an Eidolon I’d love to give this a shot with something similar, but the only readily available product seems to be the Vanguard 2...and you can’t get it with the claw for the M&P (makes no sense to me since claw doesn’t seem to have anything to do with trigger guard lockup)
Any ideas/suggestions? Will regular 4.25” 2.0 holsters work?
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PattonWasRight
09-27-17, 08:21
Like many of you, I have a lot of Glock "infrastructure" in place, but these M&Ps are making it hard for me!
Picked up the M&P Shield when they were having those crazy sales + rebates and like it a lot
WickedWillis
09-27-17, 10:26
Like many of you, I have a lot of Glock "infrastructure" in place, but these M&Ps are making it hard for me!
Picked up the M&P Shield when they were having those crazy sales + rebates and like it a lot
And you wont regret it. It's one of the finest single stack carry guns on the market. It's boring as hell, but the the trigger is good, it's accurate and reliable. I have no excuse why I don't still have one.
PattonWasRight
09-27-17, 10:36
And you wont regret it. It's one of the finest single stack carry guns on the market. It's boring as hell, bu the the trigger is good, it's accurate and reliable. I have no excuse why I don't still have one. I know,that's the problem, LoL! I prefer it over my Glock 26 and 43.
WickedWillis
09-27-17, 10:40
I know,that's the problem, LoL! I prefer it over my Glock 26 and 43.
The G26 has been the Glock I have bought and sold the most in my concealed carry lineup. I had one 43 and sold it like a dope. I bought a Gen 4 G26 last December and I decided that no matter what I am keeping it and ending the insane buy/sell cycle I have been in too much. I love my G26, and I love the Shield, and the 43 has really grown on me. It's going to be very tough when come next spring I pick up another single stack on deciding which one. I prefer Glock over the M&P line also lol that being said, I really want to try out this new compact 2.0 because G19 sized guns fit me perfectly. Too many options, not enough money.
PattonWasRight
09-27-17, 10:43
I know, I know. It's just crazy how many great choices there are today. I want them all!
Ok hive, where are we at with holsters? I’ve already got an email/order in with JM Kydex but that’ll be a while. Coming from an Eidolon I’d love to give this a shot with something similar, but the only readily available product seems to be the Vanguard 2...and you can’t get it with the claw for the M&P (makes no sense to me since claw doesn’t seem to have anything to do with trigger guard lockup)
Any ideas/suggestions? Will regular 4.25” 2.0 holsters work?
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My Comp-Tac fits like a glove. Didn't even have to adjust it. Since the barrel is only a quarter inch shorter on the Compact you can't tell it wasn't made for it.
Picked up a couple today, I think Smith and Wilson has rendered the full-size pointless
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PattonWasRight
09-27-17, 15:40
That is a good lookin' gun! Congrats
Picked up a couple today, I think Smith and Wilson has rendered the full-size pointless.
How's that thumb safety? Positive actuation? I've been debating trying one since I could just not use it if I didn't like it.
And you wont regret it. It's one of the finest single stack carry guns on the market. It's boring as hell, but the the trigger is good, it's accurate and reliable. I have no excuse why I don't still have one.
I have one in 9mm & .40 S&W, and I love them both. Most "smaller" pistols seem punishing in .40, but not this one.
WickedWillis
09-27-17, 17:32
I have one in 9mm & .40 S&W, and I love them both. Most "smaller" pistols seem punishing in .40, but not this one.
The M&P series as a whole has done better with the .40 than say Glock has IMO, because they were smart enough to build around the caliber with tougher springs and frames instead of just recycling 9mm stuff.
How's that thumb safety? Positive actuation? I've been debating trying one since I could just not use it if I didn't like it.
For a plastic unit the action is pretty good. Has a few sharp edges but not a huge deal. I opted for these to try and figured I could remove if I hated them.
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fivepointoh
09-27-17, 21:28
The M&P series as a whole has done better with the .40 than say Glock has IMO, because they were smart enough to build around the caliber with tougher springs and frames instead of just recycling 9mm stuff.
Feel the same way about the USPc in .40....then again it was designed around the .40.
How's that thumb safety? Positive actuation? I've been debating trying one since I could just not use it if I didn't like it.
I hope the force it takes to operate/move the thumb safety has increased a lot over the 1.0 versions. My brother had a 1.0 M&P 9 pistol with the thumb safety where it only took *very light* thumb pressure to move it. I could not trust one like that.
It will be interesting to see how mine and other peoples M&P compacts will shake out in terms of their reliability and accuracy , or will it just be another G19 sized pistol that feels good in your hand. We shall see.
WickedWillis
09-28-17, 10:55
Feel the same way about the USPc in .40....then again it was designed around the .40.
Yep, the USP series did it as well. It just took Glock until Gen 4 to get that memo :o
Until I hear back from them, does anyone know if Ameriglo offers the BOLD and FBI type Glock sights for the M&P 2.0 pistols ?
Anyone have photos comparing this to the older .45 compact? They look to be very similar in size.
Anyone have photos comparing this to the older .45 compact? They look to be very similar in size.
No pics, but it’s very close. Not sure if measurements but it’s the same in my eyes.
Got a light on it, sights should be on within a couple days.
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Also, there's really no point in a 4.25"/full size at this point IMO
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PattonWasRight
09-29-17, 14:21
There was a guy with one at the range last night
I traded him 3 shots of his for 5 shots with my AR
My impression ... great feel, the trigger is nicer than the usual Glock, the thumb safety is too light
Thank Munch for the side by side pictures. The 2.0 compact is not much shorter in the slide/barrel than the full size, maybe 1/8". I do like the shorter grip frame.
How is the balance of the new compact versus the full size?
I will be picking one up when the price settles down, not in a hurry. Also if there is any bugs, hopefully they will work them all out by the time I am ready for one.
And I'll be getting one without the thumb safety. I see no point in going with a safety, we have been accustomed to manual safetyless striker guns since 1986 (intro of the glock) or there about, so fear not.
Thank Munch for the side by side pictures. The 2.0 compact is not much shorter in the slide/barrel than the full size, maybe 1/8". I do like the shorter grip frame.
How is the balance of the new compact versus the full size?
I will be picking one up when the price settles down, not in a hurry. Also if there is any bugs, hopefully they will work them all out by the time I am ready for one.
And I'll be getting one without the thumb safety. I see no point in going with a safety, we have been accustomed to manual safetyless striker guns since 1986 (intro of the glock) or there about, so fear not.
Don't worry too much about the safety thing. S&W will send you safety delete plugs for free. On mine, the no-safety version already has the plugs so the frames are identical.
I should have bought the safety model so I can at least have the option in the future for some odd reason. My compact will have the safety and the safety delete plugs.
Had a custom holster made for mine today. Gun balances perfectly with an Inforce light mounted on it.
I only had time this afternoon to put a little over 100 rounds through it. But no issues so far.
To be fair I also replaced the sights with ameriglo I dots and the trigger with an Apex.
Until HK comes out with a VP9 in this size, I think this is probably the best of the bunch. At worst it ties with the P10C.
Don't worry too much about the safety thing. S&W will send you safety delete plugs for free. On mine, the no-safety version already has the plugs so the frames are identical.
I should have bought the safety model so I can at least have the option in the future for some odd reason. My compact will have the safety and the safety delete plugs.
That’s exactly why I did it that way, and price is the exact same. Already it feels familiar, I think it would for all of us, given we cycle selectors on ARs all the time.
And call me paranoid but the more experience I get with EMS, the more I value safeties or hammers for AIWB. I know the usual arguments, but if there’s ever a day I have to re-holster quickly, I’d prefer the extra layer of safety. The amount of vasculature in your inner thigh is sobering. That’s one of the reasons something like an epi auto injector is given laterally.
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Thank Munch for the side by side pictures. The 2.0 compact is not much shorter in the slide/barrel than the full size, maybe 1/8". I do like the shorter grip frame.
How is the balance of the new compact versus the full size?
I will be picking one up when the price settles down, not in a hurry. Also if there is any bugs, hopefully they will work them all out by the time I am ready for one.
And I'll be getting one without the thumb safety. I see no point in going with a safety, we have been accustomed to manual safetyless striker guns since 1986 (intro of the glock) or there about, so fear not.
No problem buddy.
I notice no difference to be honest...and that’s thankfully the compact points just as intuitively for me.
Yep it looks to be a pretty negligible amount of difference in length. And the included mag extensions obviously bridge the gap between the grip sizes. I like the way they did the extended mags too, textured like the grip and they fit will. Don’t seem to be an afterthought. The shape reminds me a bit of the elephant foot mags for the HK 45c.
Speaking of magazines and grip, one functional advantage (for me) is that the design of the M&P’s lanyard loop actually keeps my palm from obstructing mags. It happens sometimes with Glock based on my hand position/how tight I’m squeezing, I have had some empty and partial mags get hung up. YMMV https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/bc9d2af936440d71eba38fe3bf5540be.jpg
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The vid link below has some interesting points about the pistol. Since the slide length is so close on this pistol to the full size M&P 2.0 4.25" barreled one, I would think a fullsize M&P 1.0 or 2.0 holster should fit the M&Pc just fine. Some holster makers may choose to not even make one specifically for the compact model since they are so close in length. Also Smith & Wesson says no spare mags have shipped yet. A cpl more weeks..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvtWF_D0ZM8
Here is a link to an Apex Tactical update on the M2.0 Forward Set Trigger Development. I wonder if it moves the triggers break point a little more forward ? I think that might be a good thing for most people.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apextactical.com%2Fblog%2Findex.php%2Fapex-news%2Fapex-update-on-m2-0-forward-set-trigger-development%2F&h=ATMjjU7v2tJdcT9Nr5wLRoJlO1utKprXo2vZ8uotxjqJX36m-Nvwb69uP22KemFnFbBZIqO-gG97b1chccl80JCjVOE0Xbw2rdVs6WhNPgarN7FTJVZ_7lNcFKfAjivC0llgns8CIe6stIb9W7yRaG4vFJlnbmY6UVeFOm3QXy5q42wgO43h__aXYz-3vlZ77Y1SytRatzEg8TV0mwKtfTaNhWl-hGvHle0VjxaMj8j_QFE-FDA4527ul62MM_MpOU6s1SKI6lebUKDuBajrpErY-UGE-Hicya9yV6BLgxxfew
Below is a comparison Pic of my CZ P-10c and S&W 2.0 M&Pc barrel and slide assembly. So far I really like the my CZ, it has had no issues and * mine* has performed pretty close to as hyped. I hope I feel the same way about my M&Pc and my Gen 5 G19. I should know fairly soon.
But if I were going to war tomorrow, I would probably choose the Glock, even though it is a Gen 5 it has seen a lot of testing. IMHO, there is getting to be less that separates the top tier 9mm striker pistols from each other, their accuracy, triggers, reliability, ergos, etc. all seem to be getting better. IMHO, it is getting to be just pick your preferance, because one just doesn't totally outclass or outperform the other anymore.
https://i.imgur.com/FwAnulbl.jpg
Speaking of magazines and grip, one functional advantage (for me) is that the design of the M&P’s lanyard loop actually keeps my palm from obstructing mags. It happens sometimes with Glock based on my hand position/how tight I’m squeezing, I have had some empty and partial mags get hung up. YMMV https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/bc9d2af936440d71eba38fe3bf5540be.jpg
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That's half the reason I have an Agency magwell on my Glock, they get hung up on my hand quite often for me. These really are looking good, I just wish I could get a 6354DO for one.
Speaking of magazines and grip, one functional advantage (for me) is that the design of the M&P’s lanyard loop actually keeps my palm from obstructing mags. It happens sometimes with Glock based on my hand position/how tight I’m squeezing, I have had some empty and partial mags get hung up. YMMV https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/bc9d2af936440d71eba38fe3bf5540be.jpg
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The vickers grip plug helps with this also.
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jdavis6576
09-30-17, 15:00
I picked mine up Thursday. I replaced the sights with HD XRs and took it to the range this morning. I only put 125 rounds (100 FMJ, 25 JHP) through it because my daughter was with me and she was having fun shooting clays with a .22 rifle. No issues but I was only shooting to function check and familiarize myself with it. At 15 yards it was shooting 1"-2" left, not sure if it was me, the half-broken trigger, the grip insert or the sights. I've ordered an Apex polymer trigger shoe that will be here Monday. Once I replace the trigger shoe I'll go back to the range and take the additional grip inserts. I'm guessing I'll either use the Medium or Medium-Large.
I've order an AIWB 2.0 from Tony and look forward to carrying this when the holster arrives and I've put several hundred more rounds through it. I'm coming from a G19.4 which was trouble free, I've just always liked the M&P and now that the "just right" size is available I thought I'd try it out. Thus far I'm happy.
Below is a recent comparison MAC did between the G19.5 and the 2.0 Compact. His conclusion, it's basically a draw.
https://youtu.be/rABfqfffRBQ
The Dumb Gun Collector
09-30-17, 15:28
Watch the brass coming out of the G19. Like an old man peeing. I,m going to get one of these smiths.
I picked mine up Thursday. I replaced the sights with HD XRs and took it to the range this morning. I only put 125 rounds (100 FMJ, 25 JHP) through it because my daughter was with me and she was having fun shooting clays with a .22 rifle. No issues but I was only shooting to function check and familiarize myself with it. At 15 yards it was shooting 1"-2" left, not sure if it was me, the half-broken trigger, the grip insert or the sights. I've ordered an Apex polymer trigger shoe that will be here Monday. Once I replace the trigger shoe I'll go back to the range and take the additional grip inserts. I'm guessing I'll either use the Medium or Medium-Large.
I've order an AIWB 2.0 from Tony and look forward to carrying this when the holster arrives and I've put several hundred more rounds through it. I'm coming from a G19.4 which was trouble free, I've just always liked the M&P and now that the "just right" size is available I thought I'd try it out. Thus far I'm happy.
Below is a recent comparison MAC did between the G19.5 and the 2.0 Compact. His conclusion, it's basically a draw.
https://youtu.be/rABfqfffRBQ
Talked to Tony today and he said some would be available via quick ship in a couple weeks. Are you going that route or a custom order? I’ve got a vanguard for the time being.
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jdavis6576
09-30-17, 16:01
[QUOTE=munch520;2540484]Talked to Tony today and he said some would be available via quick ship in a couple weeks. Are you going that route or a custom order? I’ve got a vanguard for the time being.[r/QUOTE]
I did the custom as it wasn't on the Quick Ship list. However, I'll follow up with him so thanks for the tip!
Does anyone have a link for the 2.0 Compact specific mags? Maybe I missed it. The only thing keeping me on the fence wth this guy is that I have a ton of Magpul G19 mags.
Does anyone have a link for the 2.0 Compact specific mags? Maybe I missed it. The only thing keeping me on the fence wth this guy is that I have a ton of Magpul G19 mags.
Smith & Wesson says no spare mags have shipped yet. A cpl more weeks..
Does anyone have a link for the 2.0 Compact specific mags? Maybe I missed it. The only thing keeping me on the fence wth this guy is that I have a ton of Magpul G19 mags.
Brownells has a pre-order. Code M3P will save $10. Code courtesy of mrgunsngear.
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Brownells has a pre-order. Code M3P will save $10. Code courtesy of mrgunsngear.
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Thank you sir!
Now the wait for a ProCORE begins. If they don't come up with one it's off to ATEi
Smith & Wesson says no spare mags have shipped yet. A cpl more weeks..
44mag.com has the fullsize mags for $19.
Has anyone had any range time with the extension/adapter for using fullsize mags in the compact?
Has anyone had any range time with the extension/adapter for using fullsize mags in the compact?
Only issue I’ve seen is that adapters will get hung up sometimes during reloads if your pinky is on them as you let the mag fall out.
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44mag.com has the fullsize mags for $19.
Has anyone had any range time with the extension/adapter for using fullsize mags in the compact?
Tried them out today. I didn’t have any real issues. One of the collars slid up a tiny amount, so if you fingers are in a bad spot they might get pinched.
I did notice that 3 of my full-size Mags wouldn’t lock the slide back. My theory is the mag spring was slightly weak and couldn’t push the slide stop up since it has that anti-auto forward detent. These mags work fine in my full-size m&p, however.
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Thank you sir!
Now the wait for a ProCORE begins. If they don't come up with one it's off to ATEi
You’re welcome!
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44mag.com has the fullsize mags for $19.
Has anyone had any range time with the extension/adapter for using fullsize mags in the compact?
S&W told me they won't be shipping the 15 rd mags for the new 2.0 compact 9mm for around two more weeks. I have seen nowhere where you can order the M&P 2.0 *9MM* 15rd compact mags yet.
Quote Originally Posted by Zirk208 View Post
44mag.com has the fullsize mags for $19.
Has anyone had any range time with the extension/adapter for using fullsize mags in the compact?
S&W told me they won't be shipping the 15 rd mags for the new 2.0 compact 9mm for around two more weeks. I have seen nowhere where you can order the M&P 2.0 *9MM* 15rd compact mags yet.
https://www.brownells.com/magazines/handgun-magazines/magazines/m-p-m2-0-compact-magazine-9mm-prod110310.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Smith%2bzzxzz%2bWesson&avs%7cCartridge_1=APP_9%2bmm%2bLuger&avs%7cCapacity_1=15-Round
Pre-order, though
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jdavis6576
10-03-17, 13:01
Honest Outlaw's comparison of the G19.5, P10c and 2.0 Compact. One man's opinion...
https://youtu.be/NffoYs7PBMc
Watch the brass coming out of the G19. Like an old man peeing. I,m going to get one of these smiths.
OK that is just doggone funny.
On a serious note: does the new G19 have widely noted extraction issues?
dirkmagurk
10-05-17, 06:34
Anyone notice any indentations or “dings” on the feed ramp of their M&P 2.0’s? I’ve had a couple gen 1 M&P 9’s and a shield 9 in the past, each of them had dings on the edges around the feed ramp. I have a family friend who currently works for smith. When I asked him about the quality of materials used to manufacture the M&P line all he has to say is “cost savings is smith’s MAIN concern.”
Anyone notice any indentations or “dings” on the feed ramp of their M&P 2.0’s? I’ve had a couple gen 1 M&P 9’s and a shield 9 in the past, each of them had dings on the edges around the feed ramp. I have a family friend who currently works for smith. When I asked him about the quality of materials used to manufacture the M&P line all he has to say is “cost savings is smith’s MAIN concern.”
The feedramps on my two new M&P 2.0 compacts are perfect with no dings. As for cost savings, companys are always trying to cut cost and save money in one way or another, nothing new there. As long as the components of the a pistol are properly designed and the correct materials are used, properly heat treated and finished if steel, and the pistol's recoil spring assemblies are changed out when needed, there should be no issue with its service life.
dirkmagurk
10-05-17, 10:59
That’s what I believe he was hinting at, subpar heat treating and steel being used for the slide and barrels. I know there was a problem with slides cracking in the early .40 m&p’s. Haven’t heard anything about that issue in 9mm. I personally love the m&p’s ergonomics and that is what attracted me to them initially. If this new 2.0 line has corrected the 9mm accuracy issues and the durability is there I may just pick one up.
I have two 9mm's with safeties and so far I am loving the crap out of them. Shot 750 rounds total through them both with 0 issues. Fit me great with the small grip since I have small hands.
Safety is big and clicks on and off nice; I am used to the action already from shooting my BHP with Novak safety. Thumb can ride the safety when shooting just like a 1911 or extended BHP.
My too are very accurate. One trigger was great out of the box. The other had a little hitch before the wall. There was a little rough machining on the trigger bar nub that I smoothed out and now it is fine.
Grip texture is rough as some complain about but it is fine for me with gloves. The one I plan to carry I lightly sanded with some 1500 and now it feels great.
I am normally a Glock shooter and have been carrying a G19 for a long time. This is the first new pistol that I getting ready to carry for years. In my opinion as long as no big issues crop up S&W has a huge winner here.
Happy to report texture doesn’t seem to be an issue at all for me. It has all the grittiness of the RTFs without taking copious DNA samples. Trijicon HD XRs went on this week, factory sights are very good but these are obviously a huge improvement. Wish Ameriglo made sights for this, would’ve saved me 50%.
Only issue of note for me is the mag extensions cause a hang up on reloading, the shooter’s pinkie finger can keep mags from dropping free. They’re nice for range work, but I’ll probably start carrying without them on my 17-rounders.
JM Kydex AIWB 2.0 should be done in another week or so. Can’t wait to carry this with that rig, Vanguards are OK, but getting a good firing grip off the draw is nearly impossible due to ride height. And no claw for the M&Ps [emoji20]
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Just got my Bravo DOS for my 2.0 compact. Normally I prefer Raven (in the old Phantom days) and JMC for Kydex. Since Raven isn't making Phantoms anymore and my JMC order might still be a few weeks out I thought I would give Bravo a try.
This is the DOS holster for the regular 4.25 size. Fit seems just about perfect to me, retention and draw are fine. I might add just a touch more retention around trigger guard but maybe not.
I tried to show the muzzle end, you can tell there is pretty much no real noticeable gap. Since the barrel is only 1/4 inch shorter I can understand why they are considering not even bothering to make a compact size. If I didn't know it I would think it was made for a compact.
I could do with a little more inward cant in the grip, likely because I am used to my JMC AIWB with the claw. I am going to add some neoprene to the bottom back of this one to tilt it even more. It looks like the Raven claw would fit it, I might give that a try to.
So for the price I would say it is not bad. Not a JMC by any means but it will do until my JMC AIWB 2.5 comes in.
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Tony’s working on a batch now and said the 2.0 with the claw would only be two weeks out, you might still be able to snag one of those
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Finally saw one at a local store. Handled it side by side with a full size 2.0. My quick observation is similar to others:
1. Grip texture is very aggressive, there's no excuse for this gun slipping in your grip. It's not a gun you'd want to carry next to your bare skin, you will want some kind of undershirt.
2. Trigger and reset is much better than the original. Reset is similar or even a little more pronounced than my M&P with the Apex RAM (reset assist mechanism). Trigger is at least 5 lb but crisp. My M&P has the Apex sear installed and the trigger let off is slightly less. I don't have a trigger pull gauge so it's all based on feel.
3. Lining the compact side by side with the full size, the compact is barely 1/8 or maybe 3/16" shorter in the slide. The compact's grip is about 1/4" shorter than the full size.
4. Balance is pretty much the same versus the full size.
The store wanted $515.00 for the gun. Like I said, I'll wait a little longer.
The store wanted $515.00 for the gun. Like I said, I'll wait a little longer.
Same, but I haven't even gotten to handle one yet... closest store that has one is 30 miles away and they want $539 for it so it's not even worth the drive to look at it. The rebate for the mags and ammo is over anyways, and Apex still hasn't released their forward set trigger for the 2.0s, so I'm in absolutely no hurry.
southswede
10-09-17, 19:10
Finally saw one at a local store. Handled it side by side with a full size 2.0. My quick observation is similar to others:
1. Grip texture is very aggressive, there's no excuse for this gun slipping in your grip. It's not a gun you'd want to carry next to your bare skin, you will want some kind of undershirt.
2. Trigger and reset is much better than the original. Reset is similar or even a little more pronounced than my M&P with the Apex RAM (reset assist mechanism). Trigger is at least 5 lb but crisp. My M&P has the Apex sear installed and the trigger let off is slightly less. I don't have a trigger pull gauge so it's all based on feel.
3. Lining the compact side by side with the full size, the compact is barely 1/8 or maybe 3/16" shorter in the slide. The compact's grip is about 1/4" shorter than the full size.
4. Balance is pretty much the same versus the full size.
The store wanted $515.00 for the gun. Like I said, I'll wait a little longer.
Local shop near me wants $579 right now. LOL!!
I ordered it for $419.99 today and should be getting it later this week.
Local shop near me wants $579 right now. LOL!!
I ordered it for $419.99 today and should be getting it later this week.
Where'd you find one for $419.99?
Local shop near me wants $579 right now. LOL!!
I ordered it for $419.99 today and should be getting it later this week.
Damn that’s good. Cheapest I saw online was $439
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5 currently in stock here.
http://www.keelyarms.com/product_p/sw_11683.htm
Also, this pistol absolutely does not need it, but we only go around once, so when they become available, which shouldn't be to long, I going to order the Apex Tactical forward set trigger and their gunsmith fit barrel for mine. I just can't help myself.
Where'd you find one for $419.99?
Sounds like mil pricing.
Linebacker
10-10-17, 06:34
This is the lowest I found.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/mp-m20-compact-pistols
southswede
10-10-17, 06:49
Where'd you find one for $419.99?
https://shop.whittakerguns.com/product/ss-1709201414154
Christopher
10-10-17, 11:12
Where'd you find one for $419.99?
$20 more here @$439 https://grabagun.com/smith-and-wesson-mp9-m2-0-cmpct-9mm-15-1-4-fs.html
https://shop.whittakerguns.com/product/ss-1709201414154
That place rocks. I highly reccomend going there in person if you can.
I can't remember reading this in this giant thread, but are the sights on the 2.0 interchangeable with the original M&P?
I just picked one up today at the local LE store. Handled it next to the G19 Gen 5 and the M&P just felt right. I'll see how it shoots soon.
southswede
10-10-17, 21:08
I can't remember reading this in this giant thread, but are the sights on the 2.0 interchangeable with the original M&P?
I believe so.
I can't remember reading this in this giant thread, but are the sights on the 2.0 interchangeable with the original M&P?
They are the same.
I can't remember reading this in this giant thread, but are the sights on the 2.0 interchangeable with the original M&P?
yep, regular ol Trijicon HDXRs fit on my no issue
yep, regular ol Trijicon HDXRs fit on my no issue
Thanks for the positive confirmation.
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Got my M&P 2.0 Compact in and made it to the range today. Fired over 150 rounds right out of the box, not an issue.
I shoot it better than my Glock 19s, Gen4 and Gen3 and shoot it better than my Sig P320 Compact.
I got the LE model, three mags, thumb safety, and three dot night sights.
Even with just 150 rounds, the trigger got smoother.
When I picked it up yesterday the first thing I was going to do was use some 600 grit sandpaper and smooth the grips, DON'T do it!
Shoot the pistol first. I thought for sure the grips would be way too aggressive, they work perfectly.
I can usually find something wrong with when I first shoot a new pistol or atleast something I want to change, still working on it but for a first time I don't have anything to do to this pistol.
So is it worth it, short term yes, long-term, looks promising.
https://i.imgur.com/8AKKFgc.jpg
Target 8-10 yards away, 50 rounds, 9mm
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Really like this gun. Picked one up a week ago. Have 1K through it now after 2 trips. Not a single issue so far and extremely consistent. I can't wait for the Apex flat trigger to be released. I also have a set of ameriglo i-dot pros coming tomorrow.
The grip is excellent. You can rip off rounds without it moving in the hand. Extremely easy to control with how soft it shoots.
Some of the concerns about the aggressiveness of the grip texture is not during shooting but for concealed carry. Some people, myself included, occasionally carry a gun against their bare skin without an undershirt.
Some of the concerns about the aggressiveness of the grip texture is not during shooting but for concealed carry. Some people, myself included, occasionally carry a gun against their bare skin without an undershirt.
It hasn’t been tremendously irritating to me so far...time will tell but doesn’t seem too bad
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I'm surprised Quantico Tactical still only has these listed for preorder. I was hoping to play with one before going back to Hawaii.
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Some of the concerns about the aggressiveness of the grip texture is not during shooting but for concealed carry. Some people, myself included, occasionally carry a gun against their bare skin without an undershirt.
I spent the weekend Evaluating houses for a client. Over 2 days I got in and out of my car no less than 60 times. My undershirt rode up and holy shit are you right. I felt like I had a cheese grader shoved into my pants. I always wear an undershirt so it normally isn't a big deal but I can say for a fact that it does indeed rub you raw if you don't.
I spent the weekend Evaluating houses for a client. Over 2 days I got in and out of my car no less than 60 times. My undershirt rode up and holy shit are you right. I felt like I had a cheese grader shoved into my pants. I always wear an undershirt so it normally isn't a big deal but I can say for a fact that it does indeed rub you raw if you don't.
Five minutes with some sandpaper and you can tailor it to just the right amount of grip for you. I used some 1500 grit and just knocked it down a bit and now it is perfect for me. You could even customize it further for your application, for instance, take more off the side that rubs your skin but leave the other side a little gripper. I have done that it the past with some Glocks that had grip reductions and stippling.
dirkmagurk
10-16-17, 18:12
Anyone detail stripped their 2.0? I’ve noticed Smith went with solid frame pins on the 2.0 instead of the roll pins from the 1.0. This should make detail stripping much easier.
Finally handled one today, what a great feeling gun. I actually liked the trigger, other than the hinged shoe. Grip texture feels great in the hand, maybe not so much on the ol' love handles... I'm concerned that it may actually be aggressive enough to snag up clothing - can anyone confirm or deny that?
It didn't seem to point very naturally for me, but I'm a Glock guy so my perception of pointability is no doubt corrupted by my appliance-shaped plasti-gats. Factory sights were unimpressive. Lack of front slide serrations kind of sucks. Otherwise I'm excited to try one out.
5.56 Bonded SP
10-16-17, 19:37
FWIW I've seen nothing but "issues" with M&P 1.0 and 2.0...
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I owned a gen 1. I hated glocks at the time and really wanted to like the S&W.
Had 0 malfunctions for thousands of rounds in regards to the action cycling..
However, the trigger reset was so horrible I got rid of it. I would go to squeeze the trigger and nothing would happen, absolutely zero audible or tactile reset. I also could not get it to shoot accurately, S&W even ended up sending me a new barrel. Ended up getting rid of it, and I'm a ''glock guy'' now... But I like 1911's and many other pistols as well.. Just don't like the M&P. Wasn't my first bad experience with S&W, I won't get into how bad their AR's can suck.. But I will say that my Girlfriend bought a Sheild 9mm, and it is not reliable at all :/ I'll probably be buying her a revolver for Christmas to replace the shield.
Hopefully S&W got their semi auto pistols figured out and customers end up with a solid reliable gun.. But I'll never buy another S&W product unless it's a wheel gun.
5.56 Bonded SP
10-16-17, 19:44
Referring to the youtube videos, the guy that tested the MP2.0 seemed giddy when the gun malfunctioned. The dudes that tested the Glock, were they some kind of Navy seal delta recon force or something?
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IMHO, the grip texture on this pistol can easily be modified to suit anyone taste. To me it is one of the most naturally pointing pistols out there, just like the VP9. IMO, this pistol absolutely does not need front slide serrations and S&W should have left off their lame attempt at it. By putting your thumb in the milled out area of the slide above and just in front of the slide release, and going over the top of the slide with your next two fingers, it is really easy to grab and retract the slide and do a check.
The serrations on the front seem to be for design only. Easy to spot a 2.0 model.
Looks like a 2.0 shield has been announced too
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Another great product from JM Kydex. The AIWB 2.0 is a fantastic holster, and he got them on the quick ship list for the M&P within a couple weeks of it being released. Ride height is great, this is just as slim as the eidolon, a bit more comfortable, and more configurable with the neoprene wedge. For my model (with the thumb safety) this holster actually keeps the safety engaged while the gun's holstered, and if you holster the gun with the safety disengaged, the holster engages it via the pictured shelf/funnel/whateveryouwanttocallit.
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this pistol absolutely does not need front slide serrations and S&W should have left off their lame attempt at it.
So I agree that the ones on the M2.0 are useless and are probably only there for cosmetics, however I think every modern handgun should have functional front slide serrations, just like an accessory rail. They aren't just for press checks, tons of us use the front of the slide to "slingshot" with the web of the support hand thumb vs. a full finger grip on the rear now. Frank Proctor has been teaching slide manipulations this way for many years, as have others... It's a faster and more mechanically efficient way to operate the gun. And, just like an accessory rail, having them on there doesn't take anything away from the pistol if you don't use them.
Not bashing the M2.0 for that as they are hardly the only ones who don't have that base covered, but more and more are. It is certainly something I hope to continue to see trending in future designs/redesigns.
My BlackPoint Tactical leather winged OWB holster arrived today for my M&P 2.0 compact. I use them for my P-10c and Gen 5 G19 also, and I am very satisfied with them. They have just a little give for comfort and when used with a quality gun belt, they keep the pistols tucked in nice and close to your side.
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Also, there's really no point in a 4.25"/full size at this point IMO
I tend to agree, and I have the 4.25 inch version.
Love it.
Usually I shoot steel 2/3 size silhouettes. I'm consistently hitting from 35+ yards, which I struggle with my Glock 19.4. Shooting a dot at 10 yards, accuracy was similar (for me).
Just over 1000 rounds through it. Only 2 fail to fires last time out, with wichester white box 115gr. About 250 trouble free rounds of WWB, and the rest are various 124 gr offerings and 50 rounds of 147gr HST. I suspect it's the ammo more than the pistol, but I have another 700 rounds if WWB to find out. Haven't cleaned it yet either.
I know, not the 4" pistol, but since they're so similar, I hope the data is useful to someone.
I picked up a second one last week for my wife. And while messing with grip sizes to see what fits her the best, we found that the medium large, and large grip size squeeze the frame enough to keep the magazines from dropping free.
We did some informal comparison this morning with my buddy's brand new 2.0 Compact against my original full size M&P (probably 3000 rounds) and my favorite polymer pistol for the last 3 years, the CZ P07 (about 2000 rounds). We used Remington 115gr ball ammo.
We shot at 25 yds with all three guns, 10 rounds each. Full disclosure, my eyes are not young and my hands are not as steady as they were 10 years ago. But I chose to stand and shoot and not use a bench. The 2.0C did pretty well despite my shakiness, about 4 to 5" group. My Apex modified full size (sear and RAM) didn't do as well as the group was about basketball size. The CZ was close to the 2.0C.
Moving closer to 7 yds, all three guns shined as shown by the picture.
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Being brand new, the 2.0's trigger had some creeps but reset was positive, about the same as my full size with the Apex RAM installed. The stock trigger on the P07 (with reduced power spring) felt the best, no creep and broke crisp.
None of three guns had any malfunction. We ran a few Wilson 5x5 drills, Hackathorn TEST and a few other drills with all three guns. All three guns shot clean without dropping any points with reasonable time (sharpshooter score). Out of the box 2.0C impressed me. The grip texture was good for shooting but maybe a little harsh for carrying next to bare skin.
I think there will be a 2.0C under my Christmas tree this year but it probably won't push my P07 out of my carry holster.
BTW, my friend's 2.0C did not have the manual safety. After all these years, over 30 years, of getting used to Glocks, I think we all have gotten over the fear of manual safetyless striker fired guns.
Here are two pretty informative vids about the M&P 2.0 pistols. I wrote them off after the issues I had with the first 1.0 gen version and swore I was done with S&W pistols. Well, I tried one of the 2.0 compacts and I will just say I am impressed. Mine has been reliable and very accurate through around 900 rds of various types and weights of ammo.The trigger on mine is decent and I have had absolutely no issues at all. I have owned all the top 9mm brands in the last 30 years. Currently, my favorites in the following order are : #1- The S&W M&P 2.0 compact #2- CZ P-10C #3- Glock Gen 5 G19
I will just say the other pistols were not bad, they were just not for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvtWF_D0ZM8
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I picked up a second one last week for my wife. And while messing with grip sizes to see what fits her the best, we found that the medium large, and large grip size squeeze the frame enough to keep the magazines from dropping free.
Watch the vid below at the 4:07 mark to hear the simple fix for the mags not dropping all the way out when using the large grip insert. My 2.0 compact was the same only when using just the large grip insert. A few minutes with a fingernail file and spreading the insert apart a little with my fingers solved it for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvtWF_D0ZM8
carrying this non-stop still and my only issue is with the extended mags. for the reasons mentioned above, and when executing a one-handed reload from the holster. the extension will pinch you, and it will ****ing hurt. undershirt obviously eliminates that problem.
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munch,
I hate you. My belly hadn't been that flat since I was 25. LOL.
munch,
I hate you. My belly hadn't been that flat since I was 25. LOL.
We can start a club. I hate him because he's carrying that gun. Meanwhile I'm stuck here wishing it wasn't such a pain in the ass to purchase a handgun here. Carrying is a whole other lol.
On a serious note, if that's the only downside, that's impressive. I like the look of the extension but I already shoot my G19 with 17 mags so who cares as long as it works. I'm surprised that I still haven't seen a whole lot of accuracy testing at 25 though. That's the big question with these like BTF is with the Glock. This one is much easier to test because you don't really need to shoot a lot of rounds to figure it out.
Eurodriver
10-24-17, 14:27
We can start a club. I hate him because he's carrying that gun. Meanwhile I'm stuck here wishing it wasn't such a pain in the ass to purchase a handgun here. Carrying is a whole other lol.
On a serious note, if that's the only downside, that's impressive. I like the look of the extension but I already shoot my G19 with 17 mags so who cares as long as it works. I'm surprised that I still haven't seen a whole lot of accuracy testing at 25 though. That's the big question with these like BTF is with the Glock. This one is much easier to test because you don't really need to shoot a lot of rounds to figure it out.
You must not really want that gun. If you did you would just buy it. The police station trips are annoying but it’s not impossible.
You must not really want that gun. If you did you would just buy it. The police station trips are annoying but it’s not impossible.
It's more the point of it. I miss the days when the longest part of buying a gun was me filling out the one federal form. Back OT though, I'm excited to see how these shake out next to the Glock. I'll probably end up getting both, I just don't know which will be first yet.
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munch,
I hate you. My belly hadn't been that flat since I was 25. LOL.
It's getting harder to stay at a good weight, 32 and a thyroid problem aren't helping but that just means more gym time! And monitoring diet :suicide2:
We can start a club. I hate him because he's carrying that gun. Meanwhile I'm stuck here wishing it wasn't such a pain in the ass to purchase a handgun here. Carrying is a whole other lol.
I'm sure there's an already established club yall could just join :sarcastic:
Yesterday I got the chance to fondle this weapon. I'm definitely going to start savings my pennies and pick one up. I'm currently carrying a Gen4 G19 but this may have to take it's place. If it performs like my M&P 45 Middy The G19 might just end up with my son.
Some of the concerns about the aggressiveness of the grip texture is not during shooting but for concealed carry. Some people, myself included, occasionally carry a gun against their bare skin without an undershirt.
The texture is pretty aggressive. When I get one I'll take some fine grit sand paper and tone down the grip a bit. Whenever I've stippled my other grips I've done that and no issues from then on.
It's getting harder to stay at a good weight, 32 and a thyroid problem aren't helping but that just means more gym time! And monitoring diet :suicide2:
Wait 20 more years :)
Wait 20 more years :)
You can say that again Sam!! I'm 53 now and in the gym 6-8 times a week and just barely keeping from turning into a pumpkin shaped fat body!
Eurodriver
10-27-17, 15:45
Watrdawg what do you like about this pistol that holding it in a gun store is enough for you to ditch the 19?
I’ve felt the grip and that alone was enough to keep me away. It’s literally like sandpaper.
I'm 53 now and in the gym 6-8 times a week ...!
You have time to go to the gym 6 - 8 times a week ???????
Hell I DRIVE BY several gyms every day :) but I also drive by several KFC too. I tend to stop at the KFC.
Watrdawg what do you like about this pistol that holding it in a gun store is enough for you to ditch the 19?
I’ve felt the grip and that alone was enough to keep me away. It’s literally like sandpaper.
So here is my reasoning. This is all based on my experience with my M&P 45 Middy. I've put at least 5000 rounds through the M&P45 and have taken multiple classes with it. It is so much more accurate than my G19 that it isn't even comparable. Here comes the dreaded Ergos/Feel words but the Middy just fits my hand and feels that much better than my G19. Don't get me wrong I still like my G19 and if the M&P 9C isn't in the same league as my 45Middy then I'll still carry the G19 and give the 9C to my son. I carry the G19 at least 75% of the time and the M&P45 the rest. I'm short, 5'5" and 175 and it is just a bit easier for me to conceal the G19 than the M&P. I also messed with a Gen5 G19 and didn't like the cut out at the bottom of the front of the grip.
It's not that I don't like the G19. I do and very much so. However, I like the M&P45 Middy that much more and if this 9C is equal to my 45 then I'm going to give it a go and try my best to figure out why to go back to the G19. If I can't then I'll stick to the 9C. I'm not married to either one of course and I don't have so much into the G19 and its accessories - mags, holsters and such that I can't make a warranted change. If I don't like the 9C for whatever reason then I'll gladly stick with my G19.
You have time to go to the gym 6 - 8 times a week ???????
Hell I DRIVE BY several gyms every day :) but I also drive by several KFC too. I tend to stop at the KFC.
I hit the gym at lunch 3-4 times a week and do a regular workout. I'm only 5 mins away from the gym. It's my mid day stress relief. Me being the only guy working with 14 women in the office I've got to get out of the estrogen filled confines of the office! LOL
My wife and I do a crossfit style workout after work 3-4 days a week. If I weren't so close to the gym no way I could even come close to doing all that.
I own both the GEN 5 G19 and the M&P 2.0 compact. I believe the M&P pistols triggers break a *little* farther back than some of the other compact striker pistols, If you have large hands, using the three supplied grip inserts you can get the perfect trigger reach to fit you. The Apex triggers for the M&P pistols, whether the duty/carry kit or the forward setting sear trigger kit also move the trigger breakpoints forward some. The Duty /carry kit moves it forward approx .080" of an inch and the forward setting sear trigger kits even more. My 2.0 compact also balances just a *little* bit more towards the front than my Gen 5 G19. Its because it uses a stainless steel frame insert embedded in the frame for rigidity and it runs almost to the front of the frame. It also uses a stainless steel guide rod instead of a plastic one. Both great pistols, just pick your preference. I like both of mine, for some different reasons. I tend to shoot my Apex triggered 2.0 compact a little faster and more accurately than my Apex triggered Gen 5 G19. IMHO, you cannot go wrong with either pistol.
TheSmiter1
11-06-17, 01:47
I picked up one of these last week after I decided to sell my P320 Compact. I got it for cheap ($425 shipped, no tax), so I figured that I could sell it if I don't like it, and I may end up doing just that. I find the Sig far more pleasant to shoot, and the M&P's accuracy was underwhelming. From a rest at 10 yards, the M&P was consistently giving me 3.5" to 4" groupings (usually because of 1 or 2 rounds that would be way off), whereas the Sig was about 1.75" to 2". After firing them side by side, I decided to keep the Sig. I'm going to try the M&P from a rest again with different ammo, as I've only tried it with WWB and Wolf, but both gave me similar results. Is anyone else having this issue? Edit for pics.
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. From a rest at 10 yards, the M&P was consistently giving me 3.5" to 4" groupings (usually because of 1 or 2 rounds that would be way off), . Is anyone else having this issue?
Nope. We didn't bother to shoot from a rest. From 10 yards, standing, the 2.0 Compact is in the head area:
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Yours is a sample of one and so was ours.
The flyers are common for many shooters and usually not caused by the mechanical accuracy, but human errors (trigger press is the main culprit), we can't simply maintain the same trigger press every time.
TheSmiter1
11-06-17, 09:32
Nope. We didn't bother to shoot from a rest. From 10 yards, standing, the 2.0 Compact is in the head area:
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/20171022_103155.jpg
Yours is a sample of one and so was ours.
The flyers are common for many shooters and usually not caused by the mechanical accuracy, but human errors (trigger press is the main culprit), we can't simply maintain the same trigger press every time.
The pictured groupings were consistent for both the P320 and M&P through multiple groupings on different targets, though. Consistently 1-2 fliers per five rounds, while the Sig were all grouped as you see in the pictures I posted. I really doubt I'm just that much better from a rested position with the Sig. The trigger on the M&P isn't heavier; the over travel until the break is longer, but I my trigger pulls on both were gradual and I was on target at the break. I only tested from a rest because I noticed that it seemed erratic in comparison to the Sig. Who knows, though. I'll try and have other people shoot it, too.
Maybe you have more time behind the trigger of your other guns, so you were able to be more consistent with your trigger presses. Maybe the new 2.0 has more creep or just doesn't have as good as pull as your other guns. A second visit to the range may change things. Or it may not. If you're in my state, I might just buy that 2.0C from you. :)
TheSmiter1
11-06-17, 12:22
Maybe you have more time behind the trigger of your other guns, so you were able to be more consistent with your trigger presses. Maybe the new 2.0 has more creep or just doesn't have as good as pull as your other guns. A second visit to the range may change things. Or it may not. If you're in my state, I might just buy that 2.0C from you. :)
This was trip #2, and approximately 300 rounds so far. At least 50 yesterday were from a rest. The pics I posted were a consistent sample of the results. Range trip 1 is what spurred the testing from a rest. I'll have the RSOs try it from a rest next time, too.
This was trip #2, and approximately 300 rounds so far. At least 50 yesterday were from a rest. The pics I posted were a consistent sample of the results. Range trip 1 is what spurred the testing from a rest. I'll have the RSOs try it from a rest next time, too.
How much dry fire have you done?
It took me about 1000dry fires and 500 rds for the g19 to click for me (groups halved in 1 range trip).
I’d give it a real chance before dumping it.
You have time to go to the gym 6 - 8 times a week ???????
Hell I DRIVE BY several gyms every day :) but I also drive by several KFC too. I tend to stop at the KFC.
I only go twice a week anymore usually, but I’m actually stronger now. I used to go 6-7x/week when I was 20lbs heavier. Didn’t do a bit of good, for me it actually made a lot of inflammatory processes worse. Diet is what makes the difference for me.
I only go twice a week anymore usually, but I’m actually stronger now. I used to go 6-7x/week when I was 20lbs heavier. Didn’t do a bit of good, for me it actually made a lot of inflammatory processes worse. Diet is what makes the difference for me.
Is that how you keep that 32" waist? LOL. Like I said before, give it some time :) You'll grow a spare tire just like us old folks.
Haha someday I’m sure
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southswede
11-07-17, 21:09
Is that how you keep that 32" waist? LOL. Like I said before, give it some time :) You'll grow a spare tire just like us old folks.
The spare tire isn't the problem for me. My problem is after I lose it, I manage to find the damn thing all over again.
This may not be news to anyone else. But I discovered tonight that three sized M&P 2.0s are completely interchangeable. So you can put any slide on any frame.
Not going to lie. A 5 inch barrel on a C frame looks kind of fun.
This may not be news to anyone else. But I discovered tonight that three sized M&P 2.0s are completely interchangeable. So you can put any slide on any frame.
Not going to lie. A 5 inch barrel on a C frame looks kind of fun.
Interesting! I had heard it fit but hadn’t heard that function was 100%
I definitely want a longer slide!
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Looks pretty sweet
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