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BrigandTwoFour
09-09-17, 07:17
I was recently at the local shop casually browsing for a new pistol. I went with the intent to come home with a CZ p10, but there were none to be seen. I also handled the VP9, PPQ, M&P 2, and a P320.
I picked up alrh APX more out of curiosity than anything. But something about it just felt...right.
There doesn't seem to be a lot out there about them since they were actually released, though. I know people hate the look of the slide, but I didn't think it looked so bad in person.
Anyone have time with one?
TacticalFun
09-09-17, 08:55
I carry an apx 16 hours a day. Trigger is great. Accuracy is great (i bought the beretta FO) and the grip is the best i have felt. I have had it since blue label release (march 2017) and have probably 2k rnds through. I highly recommend. Yes i know in my picture there is a hole under the handle.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170909/8a6a44aa7dfec6ecd1a51fe49b9faeb1.jpg
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BrigandTwoFour
09-09-17, 10:16
I carry an apx 16 hours a day. Trigger is great. Accuracy is great (i bought the beretta FO) and the grip is the best i have felt. I have had it since blue label release (march 2017) and have probably 2k rnds through. I highly recommend. Yes i know in my picture there is a hole under the handle.
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When carrying, is that duty style or concealed? I know it's a duty sized pistol, but it would be interesting to know if its concealable. It's not a requirement for me, (I have an FNS-9 and still plan on a CZ P-01 some day), but it would be nice to know if can be carried that way easily.
My biggest concern is aftermarket support. I seem to have a habit of buying pistols that don't get much support, and it makes holsters and such a pain in the ass.
TacticalFun
09-09-17, 10:18
When carrying, is that duty style or concealed? I know it's a duty sized pistol, but it would be interesting to know if its concealable. It's not a requirement for me, (I have an FNS-9 and still plan on a CZ P-01 some day), but it would be nice to know if can be carried that way easily.
My biggest concern is aftermarket support. I seem to have a habit of buying pistols that don't get much support, and it makes holsters and such a pain in the ass.I carry duty style. There is a bunch of parts and pieces for it on berettas site. Apex is coming out with a trigger shoe for it also
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I fired one during an industry event, side by side with a Glock table. I run a VP9T. I would consider it for another range gun. Good grip, liked the sights, slide serrations didn't affect me either way.
CanineCombatives
09-10-17, 13:22
It's still the sleeper in the poly-striker realm, but that is changing, buy it.
CanineCombatives
09-10-17, 13:25
47399
TacticalFun
09-10-17, 16:09
47399Is that one of their 21 rnd mags?
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CanineCombatives
09-10-17, 18:32
Yeah I've been running them pretty hard and no probs, really like the basepads and the way they fit, I need at least 10.
TacticalFun
09-10-17, 18:33
Yeah I've been running them pretty hard and no probs, really like the basepads and the way they fit, I need at least 10.I just ordered 3 from my distributor....going to give them a try
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BrigandTwoFour
09-10-17, 18:36
Thanks for the input, guys.
I will put one of these on by near-term buy list as soon as funds free up. Bonus...I don't have to buy a second compact version down the line, the modularity concept at work.
TacticalFun
09-10-17, 18:38
Thanks for the input, guys.
I will put one of these on by near-term buy list as soon as funds free up. Bonus...I don't have to buy a second compact version down the line, the modularity concept at work.If you don't buy the night site version make sure you upgrade your sights. Also a standard sight tool will not work you will have to take it to a Beretta armor or send your side in . Just fyi so you do not damage it.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170910/30ee019ed396fac3ba54cbd08877e530.jpg
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A buddy and I put about 200 rnds of brass ammo through a brand new APX recently. This was in about 30 minutes with it's two factory mags. Didn't add any lube until about 150 rnds.
No malfunctions.
Good/fair:
- Great job on the grip, gun feels great in hand
- Trigger a little heavy at first, but is crisp. Much less take-up than a Glock. Trigger is wide. I got use to the trigger quickly and could fire it as fast and accurately as a full-size Glock. Overall, it's better than a Glock gen3 or gen 4 trigger. (Haven't felt a Glock gen 5 yet)
- Grip texture. At first I thought it might become abrasive to the hand. Nope. Texture is good.
- Slide lock/release is fine
- Slide shape is fine
- Sights are good
- Mag release is fine. Mags ease out, they don't fly out, from open slide
- I was quickly shooting groups as accurately as my G19 that I have thousands of rounds through. But the APX isn't super accurate, either. It's a service pistol not a target gun. (5 shots into 4 inches off-hand 25 yds is probably about it with factory ammo and sights)
- Recoil. I was hoping it would be especially smooth..or something. Nah, felt like a glock 17 to me.
The negative:
- Take down pin is right where I rest my trigger finger along the frame. Why is that bad? Because it got hot. Hot enough to burn my finger.
- The other side of the take lever, on the LH of the gun, opposite side of the pin. Yup, it's hot, too! Burns my support hand thumb.
- Magazine catch is a protrusion on the front edge of the magazine. This will be a problem with many mag pouches.
ramairthree
09-19-17, 00:35
I did a review on it a while back.
Go to the link for the thread.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?194810-Beretta-APX-Review
I pasted the first page below.
Price.
With the street price at $480.00 with three magazines it is priced competitively.
The box is much nicer than the usual breaking clasp flimsy ones we have become accustomed to.
It comes with a mag loader, rod, brushes, etc. the one year (three if you register) warranty is not the best out there.
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The grip feels fantastic. It has good texture. The subtle finger grooves should satisfy those that want them, and not be intrusive enough to bother those that hate them. I really like how the gun points. Some problems do occur with the grip. The full sized gun leaves little room to trim the grip for a compact or subcompact version.
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This appears to be due to a combination of the extra large trigger guard and mag release placement. Very reminiscent of the 92. On the 92, this led to not very compact Compacts and no Sub Compacts. The Cougar, PX4, and even the 9000 seemed to have addressed this, while the APX takes a step back.
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Other models of firearms allow for more shortening of the grip.
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Magazines have been available in popular lines and very reliable for decades with a notch or hole in the side. The APX magazine utilize a bulge on the front of the magazine. This complicates things for carry, tactical, and competitive mag pouch designs and options. They look very much like PX4 magazines except for this and the baseplate. The baseplates have a good design. I hope the plastic holds up better than the recent plastic seen in their other pistol lines. I hope the capacity to length ratio issues of the 92 are not present in this design. The front bulge is a very unfavorable design in my opinion. I prefer flush designs.
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The sight design will not appeal to those that like slick no snag carry sights. It is great for tactical, one handed slide actuation. I like the shape of the sights. They seem robust. The proprietary dove tail is an idiotic move. The large front dot and smaller rear dots are above average fast, but not the fastest design I have used. They already easily fill will funk. They provided mediocre accuracy for a service pistol. It would be nice to readily change them. Adjustable fiber optic sights are 109$ on the Beretta site. I find this a turn off, for new novice buyers, competitors, or professionals..
In the day of slide mounted optics, why in the living fvck did they design a striker block disengaged indicator sticking up on the top of the side? I am pulling the damn trigger, what in the world do I need a visible and tactile indicator for? Sheer idiocy. Another step back.
The slide serrations I initially wrote off as a styling affectation. They are extremely functional. The most effective and functional ones I have utilized.
The shape of the mag release is great and also effective. Placement is suboptimal. A fraction too low for what I feel would be optimal.
The slide release I find to be horrible ergonomically. Placement is fine, but if you design a trigger guard large enough for a lineman wearing arctic trigger finger mittens to use, why in the hell make a slide release you can barely feel or actuate with your bare thumb? Plus, I can conceive of no possible reason to make this monstrous ass take down lever, but put a dinky little slide catch on. Almost like an after thought. "Oh shit, that big lever is not the slide release, it's the take down lever, can you squeeze a slide catch in?"
Take down is simple. I just pull the trigger. I am not going to use a tool to take it down advertised as a feature that it can be taken down without pulling the trigger.
Shooting consisted of 100 rounds of Winchester White box, 100 rounds of Federal Champion, 100 rounds of Fiochhi NATO, and 100 rounds of my subsonic 147 grain Missouri Bullets reloads.
Function was flawless. It recoiled more than a 92, PX4, and Cougar I brought. It recoiled less than a Glock 19. It felt similar to an XDM 5.25 I brought, I suspect due to its lower bore axis. It has a favorable recoil impulse. Unfortunately, accuracy was underwhelmingly mediocre. Favorable compared to the Glock 19. Comparable to a Compact PX4, less than the 92. With regards to striker guns, the XDM 5.25 shot circles around it.
Two things negatively affected accuracy. The sights were not as fast or precise as the XDM's.
And I found the trigger pull and reset better on the XDM. Compared to stock Glocks, initial trigger pull is better and less "sproingy." Reset is a better pull, but longer to get to. They made this huge, flat trigger that should have felt great. But my drop safety does not pull flush. It sticks out over a millimeter. Pressing a thin ridge of a trigger significantly degrades trigger pull quality in my opinion.
As far as modularity goes, who cares? Are you really going to buy a bunch of frames and uppers? I would rather just have another full gun.
Overall, if you are a Beretta collector, get one.
But far better options with cheaper magazines, better factory support, a larger aftermarket, etc. exist.
It is not that the gun is horrible, unreliable, or a piece of crap.
It's just that there are several models of gun that offer more in the polymer framed, striker fired market.
Beretta did some really stupid things with this gun. Things that make it unattractive to a wide variety of users. I was wrong about the grip and slide being for looks, they are very functional. But I was painfully and unfortunately correct about other predictions. I had hoped to be proven wrong.The
Beretta has a current promo going for the APX - buy one and get a holster and three mags free.
bobbytucson
09-20-17, 22:25
i was inlove with it until last weekend. ive done a crap ton of uspsa, idpa and local 2-gun matches with it, and last weekend it failed big time. my last stage was the texas star and an 8 banger plate rack. blasted through the plate rack, sprinted to the texas star, shot the top plate, star starts rotating, go to take my next shot, the trigger was stuck back in full pulled position and would not reset and spring forward, i tapped racked banged a whole mag, dropped mag, tried to field strip it and the slide came forward about a centimeter and was stuck on for good. i tried pulling the trigger forward, but this thing is broke as a joke. The r.o. then made me pull back slide and show clear and comped me a redo of the stage but i got dq'd from the match because i threw it on the ground after that. now, that being said, i had about 5k rounds through it with absolutely no cleaning whatsoever, just a few drops of lube every 1k rounds or so. i bought this thing with experimental mindset anyhow, but now that i know i cannot trust my life with it, its not gonna be in my edc ever again, instead just a fun competition gat, because yes, i really do love its soft shot and shooting character. but never ever will trust it with my life.
i was inlove with it until last weekend. ive done a crap ton of uspsa, idpa and local 2-gun matches with it, and last weekend in failed big time. my last stage was the texas star and an 8 banger plate rack. blasted through the plate rack, sprinted to the texas star, shot the top plate, star starts rotating, go to take my next shot, the trigger was stuck back in full pulled position and would not reset and spring forward, i tapped racked banged a whole mag, dropped mag, tried to field strip it and the slide cam forward about a centimeter and was stuck on for good. i tried pulling the trigger forward, but this thing is broke as a joke. the r.o. than made me pull back slide and show clear and comped me a redo of the stage but i got dq'd from the match because i threw it on the ground after that. now, that being said, i had about 5k rounds through it with absolutely no cleaning whatsoever, just a few drops of lube every 1k rounds or so. i bought this thing with experimental mindset anyhow, but now that i know i cannot trust my life with it, its not gonna be in my edc ever again, instead just a fun competition gat, because yes, i really do love its soft shot and shooting character. but never ever will trust it with my life.
This has got to be the most illogical mindset I've ever heard. Who goes 5,000 rounds between cleanings and inspections on a EDC that they trust their life to? These guns take 5 mins to give a good cleaning and lube. I can't for the life of me understand neglecting a firearm and then throwing it on the ground when it fails from the users neglect.
bobbytucson
09-20-17, 23:34
i can totally understand your opinion, but honestly i lubed it every 1k on the rails and rail slots in the frame. so i kept it wet, i just didnt clean the carbon out it. and to be honest, the carbon buildup wasnt even that bad. if glock runs dry why cant i see if the apx can possibly do the same? and its 50/50, ive ran my a.r's wet but dirty. many members on here have even said the same thing by keeping em wet. its ok to push the limits to see a products potential. i havent freaking cleaned my glock 34 in 5 years....my edc 19..bet your rear i keep it clean! i dont want lint in a gun i may need
No cleaning in 5k rounds? I think you let the gun down, not the other way around, man.
I understand you want it to run no matter what but try to meet it half way.
I think you should clean it throughout, lube it, and see if it runs. That was "abuse" or "test until failure" IMO.
I appreciate the report. But I wouldn't discount the guns' reliability based on this.
CanineCombatives
09-21-17, 13:56
How bout finding out what actually happened that caused the trigger to lock up?
TacticalFun
09-21-17, 13:58
I have 3000 rounds now through my APX. 0 malfunctions. I do clean it every time I take it shooting though
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Mike Miller
09-21-17, 14:41
The r.o. then made me pull back slide and show clear and comped me a redo of the stage but i got dq'd from the match because i threw it on the ground after that.
That is unsafe and stupid
bobbytucson
09-22-17, 22:53
That is unsafe and stupid
i know, i have no excuse for it. was a pretty messed up thing on my part, i was stuck in the moment after an adrenaline rush of running my best match that day and i definitely disregarded safety.
bobbytucson
09-22-17, 22:55
No cleaning in 5k rounds? I think you let the gun down, not the other way around, man.
I understand you want it to run no matter what but try to meet it half way.
I think you should clean it throughout, lube it, and see if it runs. That was "abuse" or "test until failure" IMO.
I appreciate the report. But I wouldn't discount the guns' reliability based on this.
i can agree with that, but atleast now i know other brands can handle more "abuse". i was becoming an apx fanboy. i just want to see what beretta diagnoses the issue
This is probably a decent, underrated and under the radar pistol, but it will probably never really take off until they offer one closer to the size of the G19.
fivepointoh
09-27-17, 21:42
Regardless of your feelings about Tim/MAC, he observed something that I thought was one of those, "you don't know till you know" moments. When running it through the gauntlet, he noted, and it was obvious, how little the slide serrations actually acted as a functional serration. Maybe they just didn't work for him, but I found it to be an eye opener for me.
MountainRaven
09-28-17, 00:18
i can agree with that, but atleast now i know other brands can handle more "abuse". i was becoming an apx fanboy. i just want to see what beretta diagnoses the issue
Now I'm curious:
What other pistols have you tested in this way?
What in your previous experience suggests that a firearm that has a parts breakage after 5000 rounds fired without significant maintenance is insufficiently reliable to choose as a defensive tool?
What real-life failure mode was this test intended to test for?
TacticalFun
09-28-17, 05:52
Regardless of your feelings about Tim/MAC, he observed something that I thought was one of those, "you don't know till you know" moments. When running it through the gauntlet, he noted, and it was obvious, how little the slide serrations actually acted as a functional serration. Maybe they just didn't work for him, but I found it to be an eye opener for me.I personally think they are the best serrations on any pistol. To each their own i guess
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fivepointoh
09-29-17, 21:46
I personally think they are the best serrations on any pistol. To each their own i guess
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That's why I put that qualifier at the end of my post. And glad you refuted his claim with your own.
bobbytucson
10-01-17, 19:58
Now I'm curious:
What other pistols have you tested in this way?
What in your previous experience suggests that a firearm that has a parts breakage after 5000 rounds fired without significant maintenance is insufficiently reliable to choose as a defensive tool?
What real-life failure mode was this test intended to test for?
never said it was a test or that i test pistols. obviously my "test" is unscientific and really cant be considered a test. experimental for sure. i just buy stuff and see how well they do with negligent maintenance. im not military arms channel and doing gauntlets with containers of sand and mud, i just compete in competitions that get me dirty and cut up here in the desert terrain. and the answer to your question about my unscientific "test", glock 34... 5 years, insane amount of rounds, replaced recoil spring a few times and brushed the barrel out other than that never cleaned or lubed it at all, literally. infact the glock rep at lgs summer sales event said its perfectly ok to run a glock dry. its never gave me issues except when recoil spring gets weak and doesnt go into battery. imo, thats pretty good. do i put slip 2000 in my edc g19 yes i do. but competitions are not lives on the line, and i personally find it fun and challenging when i have to fix malfunctions under pressure in rifle/pistol matches.
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