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We all have those guns we love to hate. Hi Point anyone?
But what about the other way around?
Guns you love even though they have no purpose or other guns serve the purpose better?
For instance I love the PS90 and regret selling mine more than just about any other gun.
Sure it doesn't serve any real purpose in my life. I have any number of guns that are better suited to the PDW role. And the ammo is expensive and not that useful. But it doesn't matter. I keep finding myself wanting another one.
What about you guys?
1911s.
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My XDm .40 According to all the SME's it's a big pile of shit, but it's the most accurate handgun in my stable. I shoot it well and it has been perfectly reliable.
FALs.
Sharp recoil that makes me feel like I've been punched in the face after two magazines. Poor accuracy compared to similar designs. Easily plagued by feeding problems, they can be really fussy.
But I grew up reading too much Soldier of Fortune which was loaded with Cold War pictures of FALs in action and the rifle has as much style as anything I can think of. I own far more examples than I need simply because they are such a cool looking rifle.
ramairthree
09-19-17, 00:52
XDM 5.25
I shoot better with it than I do with guns that are supposed to be better, and that I have a lot more time with.
HK91: Grossly outdated, original parts expensive, and it really doesn't keep up with even basic AR 308s....
....but it was Arnold's house gun in Commando and looks menacing. If I am damned to.be an old man; it will be the gun I use to threaten hooligans to get off my lawn.
1911s: They can get finicky. I have not babied mine at all but when it wants to poop the bed it does so spectacularly. Yet it is my most enjoyable pistol. Like nice trigger, single stack.
Gen 3 Auto Smiff & Westerns: It's been a wild ride is all I will say.
Shotguns: So pointless these days but for a while I genuinely enjoyed them. They have a niche but it is so small. But...meh, I like mine.
Bullpups in General: They are wonky, weird, and some look like a death ray from Terminator and others look like the gun of a man unashamed to use a bidet.
Better be right-handed like all of God's good people but.....
AUGs are fun. I cant explain it. Just fun. poink poink poink.
Old School European Pistols (Walther/SiG/HK/etc): Gay heel releases, need oil, weird actions, not meant at all for modern handgunnery, grossly out of date, fragile in a lot of ways, and just....not relevant.
Buuuut......having one makes it seem like at any moment a chainsmoking woman in a trenchcoat and herls with teased hair and Persols will cling to you with a sealed Dossier as 80s new wave plays saying : "You must help me. I'm being chased by KGB from Moscow" and before she finishes her plea you hear a faint 'Phoot' from afar as East German Biathlete turned assassin for hire "Der Schmetterling" cycles his suppressed Mannlicher. Bleeding, the strange woman pushes a bloody envelope into your hands. So much is going wrong, but now you and your European 9mm are going to make it right.......the HARD way
Retro ARs: Let us face it. Vietnam is over. These rifles are going the way of the M1 Garand. Museum relics. We ooh and aww at dudes in ERDL or Tigers skulking through jungle with CAR-15s or a black rock & roll GI with an ace of spades card on his helmet and a gaunt ten thousand hard stare sucking a Kool just wanting to get back to Mobile and get that '50 Chevy as he wades ankle deep in paddies with mamasans and obasans giving him dirty looks. Toting that M16A1 with a bandoleer. Whole damn ville is VC. Sheeyit....4 months and a wake up. Crazy ass whiteboy from Texas with the blooper, short ass Puerto Rican boy on the 60 mumbling The Lord's Prayer in spanish, and the punkass LT who did ROTC at Ohio State trying to be Patton and cant call for fire or read a map
Romantic images all.....but parts expensive, hard to source, it certainly doesn't impress the real guys (who survived) who toted it for a year.
It gets LARPy more than LRRPy but......
the 10 year old me still can't get over it. They were the weapons of my heroes.
Revolvers-- Antiques really. Any G43 or G19 will be way more advanced. The worst gun to give to a weapon ignorant female but....
Adam 12 and years of PPC shooting make it hard for me to dismiss.
Weirdo Calibers- 10mm and .357 Sig sound neat and all but are kinda pointless. But fun to shoot once in a while
Moose-Knuckle
09-19-17, 04:39
Kalashnikovs, especially those with side folders . . . they're just pure tits and oh so politically incorrect.
Wheel guns, particularly old school Smith's and new school snubbies chambered in 9mm.
Vintage pump-action 12 gauges made prior to all the MIM madness cause you never know when the need to neutralize a grizz or an engine block will present itself.
Retro Marlin lever-actions, same for the pre-MIM era.
Leader Dynamics T2 MK5 carbine. Much unfulfilled promise. About 1/3 the cost of a car-15 at the time. Mine functioned about 1/3 of the time.
Manlicher stocked carbine length hunting rifles
7x57 (see above)
Roller locks
Lightweight commanders
FALs
AUG
Pencil barrel carry handle carbine AR (6520?)
FN49
Jungle carbines, in 308
41 mag anything
And sacralige... State Trooper surplus Stainless GB Mini-14s that you used to be able to get cheap. Always went bang, fun to shoot beaters. Product improved M1 carbine. Less finicky than the commercial ARs of the day
HK91: Grossly outdated, original parts expensive, and it really doesn't keep up with even basic AR 308s....
Bite your tongue, slandering the granddaddy battle rifle!
Used to clean mine (sadly sold) once a decade whether it needed it or not. Killed my first deer with it, as did my brother. Shot a bunch of vintage Hirtenburger with it, used to be $25/sleeve of 200
Would not have traded it for any of the alternatives (M1A, FAL, BM59, Dutch surplus unobtanium AR10s, later than Galil.) It was the best of the 308 MBRs.
Kept mine in a laundry bag in my college dorm!
H&R top break .22 model 999. Delicate cheapo that makes me chuckle each time I pop out the empties.
Rossi 1892 lever .357 because it's not a real American cowboy gun. But it is accurate and butter smooth with an action job.
80s guns, surplus firearms and some of what FireFly said.
I have a thing for old full size guns and full size 45s like Sig 220/226, S&W 5906/4506. I've owned the Smiths before. Still have my W. German 220 and 226. Just need a Beretta 92 to round off the collection.
There's something about touching off a 100 year old bolt action battle rifle! Got rid of most of them but still have a few Enfields and a Fin Mosin
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Doc Safari
09-19-17, 09:39
COLT 6721.
It gets savaged for the 1/9 twist barrel like it's chambered in .257 Roberts or something. Thing is: I never shoot anything heavier than 62 grain bullets and I guarantee it's the most accurate M4 I own. I've shot it side-by-side with my 6920 and the 6721 is capable of hitting much smaller targets. If I decide to purchase a precision optic it will go on that rifle.
BoringGuy45
09-19-17, 10:00
Any and all AKs. They're clunky, ugly, inaccurate, outdated, and really don't have anything resembling ergonomics or comfort. They take engineering/machining experience to properly and safely assemble, customize, or fix. Plus, they are forever the gun of the bad guys.
And yet I'd LOVE to build one and add it to my collection. And admittedly, they are fun to shoot.
My HK Mark23.
I love it so much, such a fun gun to shoot, and cool development history. But at its size god is it useless
1911s.
Hate to love:
I have to agree with that one. I love 1911s and shot/CCWd nothing but for a decade, but close to impossible to really justify them when compared to the current offerings in polymer wonder pistols when you compare prices, reliability, upkeep, capacity, etc, I hate that I still love them so much and always will, like a 60s muscle car, can't really justify owning on objectively compared to modern cars, but you still want one.
Love to hate: Anything from Taurus
Doc Safari
09-19-17, 11:12
Hate to love:
I have to agree with that one. I love 1911s and shot/CCWd nothing but for a decade, but close to impossible to really justify them when compared to the current offerings in polymer wonder pistols when you compare prices, reliability, upkeep, capacity, etc, I hate that I still love them so much and always will, like a 60s muscle car, can't really justify owning on objectively compared to modern cars, but you still want one.
Based on your post, I'll have to add the full-size Glock 17 to the list. Most people say the 19 is the perfect compromise between carry size and capacity. Others who want better concealability gravitate toward the 43, 26, etc.
But the full-sized 17 IS the Glock as far as I'm concerned: greatest capacity, best ergos (never liked the grip angle of the 19 or the abbreviated grips of any other variant), it's the easiest to shoot IMHO, and it has a reputation for lasting the longest.
Based on your post, I'll have to add the full-size Glock 17 to the list. Most people say the 19 is the perfect compromise between carry size and capacity. Others who want better concealability gravitate toward the 43, 26, etc.
But the full-sized 17 IS the Glock as far as I'm concerned: greatest capacity, best ergos (never liked the grip angle of the 19 or the abbreviated grips of any other variant), it's the easiest to shoot IMHO, and it has a reputation for lasting the longest.
I think however the 17 can still easily be recommended and justified among modern pistols and as you say, it is the Glock. As much as I'm not a big Glock fan, the really dislike the ergos of the 19 too. Nothing beats the ergo of the 1911, but pistols like the M&P, VP9, etc get very close now, and you get too many additional pluses to not go that route if you objectively view it. Still can't blame anyone who carries the 1911 for no other reason than they love it, cuz they are easy to wub on so many levels.
Based on your post, I'll have to add the full-size Glock 17 to the list. Most people say the 19 is the perfect compromise between carry size and capacity. Others who want better concealability gravitate toward the 43, 26, etc.
But the full-sized 17 IS the Glock as far as I'm concerned: greatest capacity, best ergos (never liked the grip angle of the 19 or the abbreviated grips of any other variant), it's the easiest to shoot IMHO, and it has a reputation for lasting the longest.
+1
I like my G19 and G26. They serve their purpose. I'm with you though. I'll take a G17 or even a G34 every time if concealment isn't a issue. Being 6 ft. and a very slim 240ish lbs. I can always conceal a G17 size Glock if I want to.
NYH1.
Eurodriver
09-19-17, 12:33
Hate to love: Every gun ever made.
They're loud. They're something you can forget, or lose. Carrying them around sucks. Shooting them takes time away from better things you could be doing. They're expensive.
But they're necessary.
Pinzgauer,
I love my HK91, its just dated. If it were 1983, I would be all "Watchout world! I got an HK91 up over here!"
Per GSP and their A-Team stainless Mini 14s. Lolz. They keep some for ceremony but just in the last bit seriously looked to replace them. Dudes would take Mini 14s over G36s because, ugh,, G36.....however some solts had full size M16s that were highly coveted.
The biggest GSP "collectible" are the issued Pythons. Good luck. Everybody kept theirs as well as the old 4506s.
The 45 GAPs will likely end up the same place as the E.T. Atari carts as nobody wants a .45 GAP anything.
FALs.
Sharp recoil that makes me feel like I've been punched in the face after two magazines. Poor accuracy compared to similar designs. Easily plagued by feeding problems, they can be really fussy.
But I grew up reading too much Soldier of Fortune which was loaded with Cold War pictures of FALs in action and the rifle has as much style as anything I can think of. I own far more examples than I need simply because they are such a cool looking rifle.Truth!
Thompson Contender for me, but John Woo and Lance Henriksen made it cool somehow in Hard Target...
http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/5c/HT-TC-4.jpg
WickedWillis
09-19-17, 13:28
HK rifles and carbines. I am a huge HK fan, but I have never had the scratch to pursue anything other than their handguns. I have fired the MR556, a full auto G36, and the MP7 (both at Battlefield Vegas) and I just need one of those three in my life. I really want to get a Tommy built G36. The HK announces the new HK433 and I feel like I need one of those. Seriously, if they ever bring in some of their rifle stateside slightly discounted, I may have to sell everything I own lol
Bushmaster ACR.
Its heavy, bushmaster/remington/freedom group sucks, and accuracy is nothing to brag about, but DAMN I love that rifle. It has soul if that makes sense.
Bushmaster ACR.
Its heavy, bushmaster/remington/freedom group sucks, and accuracy is nothing to brag about, but DAMN I love that rifle. It has soul if that makes sense.
I have to agree with this one. Same with the SCAR 16. Neither do a single thing any of my ARs won't but damn if I don't want both.
My XDm .40 According to all the SME's it's a big pile of shit, but it's the most accurate handgun in my stable. I shoot it well and it has been perfectly reliable.
Same for my XD9 sub-c.
TACK. DRIVER.
And my LWRC M6A2. It's heavy, was expensive, and recoils more than a mid. But it's a beautifully made rifle and I love it . ☹️
"I just got like, this 5.56 okay? And it's 55 grain ball. And everybody I've ever seen shot with it, it dicks them up."
---Clint Smith
Thunder Ranch
I pretty much love all guns...If it makes a loud noise and something blasts out the front, it's the bestest!
Pinzgauer,
I love my HK91, its just dated. If it were 1983, I would be all "Watchout world! I got an HK91 up over here!"
Honestly, everything is dated.
Dropping a FNC in a neato plastic shell with ambi features and calling it a FN SCAR isn't anything revolutionary.
The last two truly modern designs I can think of were the HK G11 and the Russian AN-94 and after you get past the wow factor you realize they both suck and were never going to get rid of all the bugs.
The last modern design I can think of that worked was the HK USP. Combining Browning and Walther features into one gun with the FIRST accessory rail on any handgun (assuming you don't count the Mk23) and that was the gun that made everybody redesign everything.
The only reason the HK91 isn't as relevant is fewer people are running semi auto .308s and the one's that do want a more familiar design based upon the AR. But the 91/G3 features are more or less the same as the MP5 and it doesn't look like anyone has built a better mousetrap yet that has rendered the MP5 irrelevant.
If the 90 series were still being imported, we'd probably see many product improvements just as the SP1 evolved into the M4, but at it's heart it's the same operating system.
ARs. They are light, handy, and SOO easy to work on. I mean, you get one set up, and then you take it apart again because you can, and you constantly tinker with the damn things because you can. And then some asshat went and came up with QD mounts so now you play musical optics and lights with your rifles. And the ****ers breed. I swear to christ, Had one rifle for the longest time, then I got a second, and before I knew it there were two rifles and a couple lowers in my safe. Then the lowers became complete lowers. And then grew into rifles. And then more lowers showed up, it like they were rodents on viagra. And I think there is some inbreeding going on too since I found a DPMS lower that looked like it had a genetic disorder in there too.
On an actual more serious note. Probably my Colt Double Eagle and Ruger P series handguns.
The Colt has all of the cons of a 1911, weight, and more weight, but none of the pros, like a nice trigger, super accurate, ect. Instead is had a long as hell DA trigger with a crumby single action trigger, though I'd personally still take it over a Glock trigger. Actually on second thought, change that to a maybe over the Glock trigger. Anyway, the trigger on the thing when you look at the mechanism is one of those, "Oh, dear God, what the hell were they trying to do." after thought things. It also has a decocker that looks like it was made in the 11th hour on a "I wish we had a shoe string budget" type of budget. But, It has shot well for me, has run well, and it really is neat.
On the Ruger 9 series, big, heavy, recoil that can be best described as that of a sling shot, and pretty much not after market support, I don't hate the gun. My examples shoot accurately. Run fine. Will digest pretty much anything you can shove down the barrel(Seriously, I know some guys who have fed P series shit that even I wouldn't shoot and it range, even while throwing a flame out the barrel and kicking out split casings. Ah, the joys of drunk reloading.) and it is a neat range toy. Also, makes you praise the Beretta 92 series safety position since the P series is in a spot that you either need to be able to dislocate your thumb or use your support hand to decock.
Saiga 308.
Cheap, accurate enough, surefire 25rd mags... I want one full-auto (yes, I know)
Ars and 300blk and 7.62x39 are so much more practical, but the 308 is just cool. It will end up being one of 2 or 3 fun guns I ever own. 2nd being a 1911, 3rd an m1a variant.
ColtSeavers
09-19-17, 23:30
Shotguns: So pointless these days but for a while I genuinely enjoyed them. They have a niche but it is so small. But...meh, I like mine.
This, minus still owning one.
Also, 14.5" ARs pinned and welded to 16". Cannot agree with the rationale, but love the dedication of those that want/use'em.
ETA: My wife's AR I built for her to her specifications. Damn thing is perfectly balanced, gassed and shoots like a dream. Irks the hell outta me that I go and build AR after AR with all sorts of different purposes in mind, but never quite getting the perfect general purpose build down pat, only to build hers to some loose specifications she gives me and suddenly I'm Mr. Friggin Wizard that can slap together the perfect general purpose AR...
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