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Averageman
10-13-17, 14:39
I've been watching this story develop and I'm rather amazed at the level Harvey Weinstien raised himself to all the while sexually harassing, bullying and even if the accusations are correct raping a number of Actresses.
The numbers now are Three who claim he raped them and Twenty Six others who claim they were sexually harassed or assaulted.
http://ew.com/movies/women-accused-harvey-weinstein-sexual-misconduct/harvey-weinsteins-accusers/
Rather surprising to me that this guy, a major player in donations to Liberal politicians and a very successful businessman seemed so willing to piss it all away for some rape.
Yes I realize there may be more than a bit of piling on at this point, but the names and careers this guy seems to be dragging through the mud on the way out the door is substantial.
Doc Safari
10-13-17, 14:42
This does not surprise me in the slightest. Something about "power corrupts...." I predict this may lead to a major meltdown of Hollywood personalities. No more free pass to exploit people. Burn it down!
Back Room Casting Couch addresses this very issue with more gravitas, transparency, and dignity than the legacy media
titsonritz
10-13-17, 15:31
Weinstein ties to Clinton, Obama run deep (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/10/weinstein-ties-to-clinton-obama-run-deep.html)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/hillary-clinton-shocked-and-appalled-about-weinstein-allegations/2017/10/13/e02c141e-b02c-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_video.html?utm_term=.22af7c5eb4f0
Didn’t Slick Willie do the same for years? Weinstein sounds like he is qualified to be the next DNC nominee for POTUS.
Didn’t Slick Willie do the same for years? Weinstein sounds like he is qualified to be the next DNC nominee for POTUS.
While at the same time claiming the RNC has a "war on women".
I guess ole' Harv just didn't love his neighbors........I know it's really hard for me. Civilization is tissue thin isn't it?
Totally not shocked by this “revelation”. Casting couch rumors have been around since the beginning of Hollywood. It’s not surprising to hear that they actually exist. It’s also not surprising to hear that this one seems to have gone out of control. What is it that they say about power and corruption?
The hypocrisy is just icing on the cake. Both from the DNC and the “feminists” who apparently let bygones be bygones so long as the cash was good.
This does not surprise me in the slightest. Something about "power corrupts...." I predict this may lead to a major meltdown of Hollywood personalities. No more free pass to exploit people. Burn it down!
Ben Affleck is taking some hits.
titsonritz
10-13-17, 18:32
The hypocrisy is just icing on the cake. Both from the DNC and the “feminists” who apparently let bygones be bygones so long as the cash was good.
...and too bad for the next victims.
Totally not shocked by this “revelation”. Casting couch rumors have been around since the beginning of Hollywood. It’s not surprising to hear that they actually exist. It’s also not surprising to hear that this one seems to have gone out of control. What is it that they say about power and corruption?
The hypocrisy is just icing on the cake. Both from the DNC and the “feminists” who apparently let bygones be bygones so long as the cash was good.
Hollywood actresses are just other players in many cases. If they really think some rich old power broker is going to make them rich and famous because "they are genuinely talented" they are delusional. People in Hollywood become famous because they are attractive and nice to look at when they "play pretend" on film.
The casting couch is hardly anything new and celebrities should keep in mind that somewhere some girl is doing exactly the same thing for a $20 dinner.
ColtSeavers
10-13-17, 18:58
Hollywood actresses are just other players in many cases. If they really think some rich old power broker is going to make them rich and famous because "they are genuinely talented" they are delusional. People in Hollywood become famous because they are attractive and nice to look at when they "play pretend" on film.
The casting couch is hardly anything new and celebrities should keep in mind that somewhere some girl is doing exactly the same thing for a $20 dinner.
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Averageman
10-13-17, 19:18
It's rather startling to me.
I mean, I get it, pay to play as it were; perhaps even somewhat expected, but if you look in to this a bit, it is much darker. You walk in the door ready to barter that's one thing, but when a seventeen year old girl is hustled up to a sixty year old guys hotel room?
Come on, there's billions at stake here and he was skating on some damn thin ice and all the while playing Patron to the Arts and Wallet to the Socialist Progressives. There are some pretty intriguing stories about grabbing women in front of their Boyfriends and Husbands, one guy standing up to him being shoved down a flight of stairs.
Surely they knew the writing was on the wall with this scum bag, why not take care of it before he takes down himself along with a billion dollar company?
ColtSeavers
10-13-17, 19:28
It's rather startling to me.
I mean, I get it, pay to play as it were; perhaps even somewhat expected, but if you look in to this a bit, it is much darker. You walk in the door ready to barter that's one thing, but when a seventeen year old girl is hustled up to a sixty year old guys hotel room?
Come on, there's billions at stake here and he was skating on some damn thin ice and all the while playing Patron to the Arts and Wallet to the Socialist Progressives. There are some pretty intriguing stories about grabbing women in front of their Boyfriends and Husbands, one guy standing up to him being shoved down a flight of stairs.
Surely they knew the writing was on the wall with this scum bag, why not take care of it before he takes down himself along with a billion dollar company?
The problem is that these people didn't have the money, influence and power to make anything stick alone and at the beginning of their careers. Why in the hell they didn't do anything about it until YEARS later AFTER someone else took the first steps for them, instead of once they were self established is beyond me.
Averageman
10-13-17, 19:52
The problem is that these people didn't have the money, influence and power to make anything stick alone and at the beginning of their careers. Why in the hell they didn't do anything about it until YEARS later AFTER someone else took the first steps for them, instead of once they were self established is beyond me.
The guys who knew Harvey and were happy to work with him are taking a beating now, a few of them have their own dirty laundry and that is being aired and revealed at a high rate of speed now.
Lots of homos not being named outright, but they're being called out.
The list of folks being called on bad behavior related to this is growing pretty quickly. The upside is they all seem to be major players for the DNC.....
Guys like this are always a major liability in any line of work. At a time when nothing is secret, they cannot be tolerated.
It's rather startling to me.
I mean, I get it, pay to play as it were; perhaps even somewhat expected, but if you look in to this a bit, it is much darker. You walk in the door ready to barter that's one thing, but when a seventeen year old girl is hustled up to a sixty year old guys hotel room?
Come on, there's billions at stake here and he was skating on some damn thin ice and all the while playing Patron to the Arts and Wallet to the Socialist Progressives. There are some pretty intriguing stories about grabbing women in front of their Boyfriends and Husbands, one guy standing up to him being shoved down a flight of stairs.
Surely they knew the writing was on the wall with this scum bag, why not take care of it before he takes down himself along with a billion dollar company?
At least he didn't just drug them like Polanski did. Guy was married to Sharon Tate and still felt the need to drug and rape underage girls. I think it is just an environment that invites predatory scum bags, especially if they are running things and have the cash to get away with virtually anything.
MountainRaven
10-14-17, 00:19
Manhattan's DA is in hot water over taking bribes from Trump and Weinstein. Link (http://www.npr.org/2017/10/13/557585831/new-york-district-attorney-on-the-defense-over-handling-of-weinstein-allegations).
The charges against Trump (or rather his children) were fraud. The charges against Weinstein are, well, what we're hearing about now: Sexual assault. The latter included an audio-recording of the actual event as it occurred.
In both cases, he received campaign donations from their lawyers and then larger donations after he decided not to prosecute.
Cyrus Vance, Jr, Esq - the DA in question - is a Democrat, and he's running unopposed for re-election this year.
The entire culture thrives on sexual abuse. Look at the way Polanski was celebrated while a fugitive on the run.
Hollywood is a place where anybody will do just about anything to get famous. Why didn't these women come out sooner? Remember Monica Lewinsky, before she went to the Washington Post, she had already hired a publicist, PR rep, lawyer. After she went public, she was given a 6 figure job at the pentagon, a $1 million dollar tell all deal, a autobiography book deal and was receiving upwards of $30k for interviews. Remember Linda Tripp? Monicas "close friend", who turned out to be an undercover "marketing and public relations agent" who also got paid close to $300k when it was all said and done.
Back to Harvey, I think a lot of these girls, considering the time frame that each of them has mentioned when certain actions took place took place around the time when they were between being background scenery and co-stars of films. Now women are saying that Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Ben Affleck and John Stewart has acted in a sexual harassing kind of way towards them. I do hope that this Harvey Weinstein case will bring down a lot of the liberal Hollywood elites.
But back to what I was saying, you throw celebrity status and money at a girl and she will get down on both knees and beg. Does Paris Hilton, Pamela Anderson, Kim Kardashian, Tela Tequila, Farrah Abraham, Amy Fisher, Chyna, Kate Ritchie, Kendra Wilkinson, Courtney Stodden, Keeley Hazel and the list goes on and on and on. These girls thought of the "sexual harassment" as business as most women do in this world. They will put up with it if it means getting them closer to the finish line. My god, just look at Instagram, Snapchat
You cannot tell me that Harvey Weinstein is the only one guilty, Hollywood is full of Harvey Weinstein's and full of girls wanting to be famous.
I have a friend who has modeled for Versace, Gucci, Burberry, Toni & Guy and others and he is now involved in a church outreach program because of what he saw in that world.
ben affleck and clooney are coming out they are part of it now though ? and affleck had been doing it to some to
most of those folks are scum so its kinda like saying HEY McDonalds food is garbage and being surprised :) most of us knew that already
Hollywood is a place where anybody will do just about anything to get famous. Why didn't these women come out sooner? Remember Monica Lewinsky, before she went to the Washington Post, she had already hired a publicist, PR rep, lawyer. After she went public, she was given a 6 figure job at the pentagon, a $1 million dollar tell all deal, a autobiography book deal and was receiving upwards of $30k for interviews. Remember Linda Tripp? Monicas "close friend", who turned out to be an undercover "marketing and public relations agent" who also got paid close to $300k when it was all said and done.
Back to Harvey, I think a lot of these girls, considering the time frame that each of them has mentioned when certain actions took place took place around the time when they were between being background scenery and co-stars of films. Now women are saying that Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Ben Affleck and John Stewart has acted in a sexual harassing kind of way towards them. I do hope that this Harvey Weinstein case will bring down a lot of the liberal Hollywood elites.
But back to what I was saying, you throw celebrity status and money at a girl and she will get down on both knees and beg. Does Paris Hilton, Pamela Anderson, Kim Kardashian, Tela Tequila, Farrah Abraham, Amy Fisher, Chyna, Kate Ritchie, Kendra Wilkinson, Courtney Stodden, Keeley Hazel and the list goes on and on and on. These girls thought of the "sexual harassment" as business as most women do in this world. They will put up with it if it means getting them closer to the finish line. My god, just look at Instagram, Snapchat
You cannot tell me that Harvey Weinstein is the only one guilty, Hollywood is full of Harvey Weinstein's and full of girls wanting to be famous.
I have a friend who has modeled for Versace, Gucci, Burberry, Toni & Guy and others and he is now involved in a church outreach program because of what he saw in that world.
Moose-Knuckle
10-14-17, 05:56
Actors like Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood have claimed for YEARS there is a pedophile ring in Hollyweird's elite circles. After this Weinstein story broke former Dawson's Creek star James Van Der Beek has come forward saying he was molested by old rich men when he was a teen actor.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/10/12/actor-james-van-der-beek-reveals-he-faced-sexual-harassment-by-older-powerful-men-in-wake-of-weinstein-scandal/
Hollyweird has always been a cesspool.
What this latest scandal does is highlight the blatant hypocrisy and sexual deviancy of the Hollyweird leftist elite. Weinstein for years has lauded feminist causes all the while being one of the biggest sexual predators and abusers of women in tinseltown. He was one of the biggest financial donors to Bill Clinton, another sexual predator, Hillary "their all bimbos" Clinton, and Obama. Weinstein for years has funded disarmament causes, attacked the 2nd Amendment while producing and distributing violent films with guns, and even claimed he was going to take down the NRA with his mega flop Miss Sloane. **** him.
He fled to Europe when this story went viral claiming to have gone there for sex addiction therapy. No, he escaped to a non-extradition country like his pedophile director friend Roman Polanski.
There are some epic memes and gifs going around social media highlighting the blatant double standards of feminists and the left of their lack of protest in Hollyweird over this contrasting their pussy hat and pussy costume protests over the Trump election. One of his victims being Ashley "I'm a nasty woman" Judd!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4962354/Ashley-Judd-breaks-silence-Weinstein.html
Outlander Systems
10-14-17, 10:01
So, let me get this straight.
The National Felons League and Hollyweird are imploding?
Couldn't happen to a better group of shitbags.
Rather surprising to me that this guy, a major player in donations to Liberal politicians and a very successful businessman seemed so willing to piss it all away for some rape.
Yes I realize there may be more than a bit of piling on at this point, but the names and careers this guy seems to be dragging through the mud on the way out the door is substantial.
Why the surprise? It's always been that way. A big time guy at the time exposed himself to a very young Shirley Temple. Gay for play among young male actors the norm, etc, etc. and the casting couch known to all. There are essentially no checks and balances within the industry, and the $ and fame involved, attracts scum bags of all walks. There's nothing to see here.
Averageman
10-14-17, 11:01
Why the surprise? It's always been that way. A big time guy at the time exposed himself to a very young Shirley Temple. Gay for play among young male actors the norm, etc, etc. and the casting couch known to all. There are essentially no checks and balances within the industry, and the $ and fame involved, attracts scum bags of all walks. There's nothing to see here.
I'm just saying the Studio System died some years ago, new technology doesn't "help" against these guys it ultimately ensures they get caught. It simply wasn't a matter of "If" or even "When", but " How " soon the other shoe dropped on this guy.
If you and I had billions wrapped up in a business and the third partner was known as "The Pig" at the Cannes Film Festival and was famous for his offensively aggressive sexual actions, cocaine fueled orgies that were attended by sometimes extremely young looking participants, we would be left with few options on dealing with such a guy.
It would quickly become, "Do you want the Pick or the Shovel, 'cause this has got to stop."
Honestly with the money changing hands and the power involved, I'm really very surprised he wasn't killed years ago.
You can be "The Pig" if you care to be, you just do so with Hookers and other willing and paid participants that can't really come back on you and spill the Billion Dollar house of cards over.
I'm just saying the Studio System died some years ago, new technology doesn't "help" against these guys it ultimately ensures they get caught. It simply wasn't a matter of "If" or even "When", but " How " soon the other shoe dropped on this guy.
If you and I had billions wrapped up in a business and the third partner was known as "The Pig" at the Cannes Film Festival and was famous for his offensively aggressive sexual actions, cocaine fueled orgies that were attended by sometimes extremely young looking participants, we would be left with few options on dealing with such a guy.
It would quickly become, "Do you want the Pick or the Shovel, 'cause this has got to stop."
Honestly with the money changing hands and the power involved, I'm really very surprised he wasn't killed years ago.
You can be "The Pig" if you care to be, you just do so with Hookers and other willing and paid participants that can't really come back on you and spill the Billion Dollar house of cards over.
Sociopaths gonna sociopath and no amount of logic nor reason prevents them from doing it. If they were people who thought such things through, it wouldn'r happen. Many have already said the only reason this is happening to him now is he's lost his power and position in the industry. Otherwise, we wouldn't know until he was dead and gone likely. He's not even close to the worst of them, but more like a fairly typical d bag of the ilk in the industry. If POTUS can get on a plane while in office with his SS detail and fly multiple times to an island full of under age sex slaves owned by another rich d bag Trump actually kicked out of his club, the fact this guy did what he did should surprise no one.
Averageman
10-14-17, 12:07
Sociopath being Sociopaths and all, doesn't explain those around him, who were tied to him professionally and economically, not taking matters in hand for if not ethical reasons economic reasons.
Perhaps I'm not as worldly as others. I couldn't be a silent party to this, I think he is a Sociopath, but started out as a bully who just wasn't reigned in a long time ago. He has that syndrome a lot of fat guys have who think being big equates to physical power and fighting prowess.
Some folks just need a beating, this guy obviously hasn't got his, yet..
Sociopath being Sociopaths and all, doesn't explain those around him, who were tied to him professionally and economically, not taking matters in hand for if not ethical reasons economic reasons.
Perhaps I'm not as worldly as others. I couldn't be a silent party to this, I think he is a Sociopath, but started out as a bully who just wasn't reigned in a long time ago. He has that syndrome a lot of fat guys have who think being big equates to physical power and fighting prowess.
Some folks just need a beating, this guy obviously hasn't got his, yet..
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say his type wouldn't learn from that either. It would would be the fault of who ever did it, and nothing more. If he lost all his $ in a civil suit, wouldn't learn a thing from that either. He did get fired from his own company, but he'll view that as the fault of the women who turned him in, and nothing more.
Actors like Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood have claimed for YEARS there is a pedophile ring in Hollyweird's elite circles.
That's the other shoe I was waiting on. Everyone is a commodity.
Averageman
10-14-17, 14:38
Courtney Love is perpetuating rumors that everyone in Hollywood knew about Harvey Weinstein's behavior.
Love offered a warning about Weinstein more than 10 years ago when she was asked by comedian Natasha Leggero if she has any advice for a young girl moving to Hollywood, according to a recently resurfaced red carpet interview from 2005 obtained by TMZ.
"I'll get libeled if I say it," Love says to the camera, referring to possible legal action for what she's about to say.
"If Harvey Weinstein invites you to a private party at the Four Seasons, don't go," she says in a video obtained by TMZ.
It is unclear if Love had an encounter with Weinstein or if she heard rumors or direct accounts from other women.
Okay, if Courtney finds you a gross pig, well likely you are. You know its one thing to be rejected by a young Starlet, it's another thing to be rejected by a heroin using crack addict who is calling you a pig.
Averageman
10-16-17, 10:50
So there seems to be some deep connection between the Clinton's and Weinstein.
Harvey was not only a Political donor, but also helped pay for Bills defense during the Lowensky scandal.
When Hillary claimed there is a Sexual Predator currently in the White House, she did so in England. Apparently they don't get the memos in England, the interviewer said "but what about your Husband Bill's issues?" Oh to be a flat on the wall then...
Oh and the that Weinstein money she was going to donate to charity? Now she claims it's already been spent, ummmmm yeah.
There will be more heads roll when the pedos get named.
So there seems to be some deep connection between the Clinton's and Weinstein.
Harvey was not only a Political donor, but also helped pay for Bills defense during the Lowensky scandal.
When Hillary claimed there is a Sexual Predator currently in the White House, she did so in England. Apparently they don't get the memos in England, the interviewer said "but what about your Husband Bill's issues?" Oh to be a flat on the wall then...
Oh and the that Weinstein money she was going to donate to charity? Now she claims it's already been spent, ummmmm yeah.
There will be more heads roll when the pedos get named.
You can watch it on the net. She says something like "that's ancient history" or similar as deflection. The vid is making the rounds on FB, etc.
platoonDaddy
10-16-17, 16:10
Another thing wrong with the LEFT:
NRA Spokeswoman Forced to Move After She Received Death Threats
National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch announced Sunday on Twitter that her family had been forced to move suddenly after she received multiple death threats from gun control advocates.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-spokeswoman-forced-move-death-threats/
Interesting tweet from Chelsea: Dana - this is all awful & unacceptable. Those of us who disagree with you the strongest have a particular responsible to strongly condemn.
Doc Safari
10-16-17, 16:17
Another thing wrong with the LEFT:
NRA Spokeswoman Forced to Move After She Received Death Threats
National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch announced Sunday on Twitter that her family had been forced to move suddenly after she received multiple death threats from gun control advocates.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-spokeswoman-forced-move-death-threats/
Interesting tweet from Chelsea: Dana - this is all awful & unacceptable. Those of us who disagree with you the strongest have a particular responsible to strongly condemn.
I would love for there to be a whole thread on this. When this starts happening I have to ask myself "How close are we to shooting it out in the streets?"
Moose-Knuckle
10-17-17, 05:03
So there seems to be some deep connection between the Clinton's and Weinstein.
Harvey was not only a Political donor, but also helped pay for Bills defense during the Lowensky scandal.
When Hillary claimed there is a Sexual Predator currently in the White House, she did so in England. Apparently they don't get the memos in England, the interviewer said "but what about your Husband Bill's issues?" Oh to be a flat on the wall then...
Oh and the that Weinstein money she was going to donate to charity? Now she claims it's already been spent, ummmmm yeah.
There will be more heads roll when the pedos get named.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4444/37702808736_6035c7bc26_b.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4449/37719524982_ca42172cd8_z.jpg
Outlander Systems
10-17-17, 10:41
It'll be interesting when this "conspiracy theory" turns out to be legit.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hollywoods-other-open-secret-besides-harvey-weinstein-preying-on-young-boys
What adult is surprised by this or thinks that it's limited to the left and Hollyweird? FFS the President bragged on tape about sexually assaulting women and how many of you voted for him anyway? Let's keep the fake outrage to a minimum here.
CrazyFingers
10-17-17, 11:08
https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/11/11-donald-trump-harvey-weinstein.w710.h473.jpg
What adult is surprised by this or thinks that it's limited to the left and Hollyweird? FFS the President bragged on tape about sexually assaulting women and how many of you voted for him anyway? Let's keep the fake outrage to a minimum here.
How cute, buying into the narrative that the access Hollywood tape discussing goupies and fame somehow equates to decades of clear predatory behaviour.
Trump clearly loved the girls in the party scene.
But to equate these two is pretty naive
You know what.
I hope this breaks hollywood.
I hope there is a renaissance of indie film and people who want to tell entertaining stories instead of a sex mill for rich perverts who try to brainwash people subliminally with mixed messages while predatoring on naive people who wanna act.
I think a severe guerilla indie movement would allow for stories far outside the narrative.
And nothing they make is good (except Blade Runner)
Even Star Wars sucks (except Rogue One)
Doc Safari
10-17-17, 12:58
You know what.
I hope this breaks hollywood.
I hope there is a renaissance of indie film and people who want to tell entertaining stories instead of a sex mill for rich perverts who try to brainwash people subliminally with mixed messages while predatoring on naive people who wanna act.
I think a severe guerilla indie movement would allow for stories far outside the narrative.
And nothing they make is good (except Blade Runner)
Even Star Wars sucks (except Rogue One)
From your keyboard to God's throne.
There are a few good movies, but yes, it really is a cesspool on celluloid. (Yes, I know they don't use celluloid anymore but that would destroy my alliteration).
Outlander Systems
10-17-17, 13:18
Amen. Bolded for emphasis.
You know what.
I hope this breaks hollywood.
I hope there is a renaissance of indie film and people who want to tell entertaining stories instead of a sex mill for rich perverts who try to brainwash people subliminally with mixed messages while predatoring on naive people who wanna act.
I think a severe guerilla indie movement would allow for stories far outside the narrative.
And nothing they make is good (except Blade Runner)
Even Star Wars sucks (except Rogue One)
Averageman
10-17-17, 13:36
They set themselves up to be the gate keeper.
They were arbitrating what was going to be made in film as art.
Suddenly it became more than art, it became power. The power to influence, the power to dictate, the power of political influence and manipulation.
So if at some time someone wondered how did all of these Communists end up in Hollywood, well there you go.
The more you look at it the more you might find there was a reason to blacklist a lot of these bastard's.
BoringGuy45
10-17-17, 15:26
You know what.
I hope this breaks hollywood.
I hope there is a renaissance of indie film and people who want to tell entertaining stories instead of a sex mill for rich perverts who try to brainwash people subliminally with mixed messages while predatoring on naive people who wanna act.
I think a severe guerilla indie movement would allow for stories far outside the narrative.
And nothing they make is good (except Blade Runner)
Even Star Wars sucks (except Rogue One)
Agreed (though I didn't think The Force Awakens was THAT bad, despite being just a darker, more depressing New Hope)
Hollywood has turned into a mass produced/production line/fast food/whatever analogy you like for lack of artistry and quality. There's no creativity anymore. Just about every movie can be put into a few categories:
-Superhero/comic book
-The story of the first woman, black, or gay to do something amazing and overcome exaggerated American prejudice
-Remake or reboot
I used to go to the movies probably 10 or more times a year. I'm down to maybe once or twice a year, if that. This year will be a high for me, as when I go see The Last Jedi, that will make a whopping 3 movies I've gone to see (The other two were Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and It).
Agreed (though I didn't think The Force Awakens was THAT bad, despite being just a darker, more depressing New Hope)
Hollywood has turned into a mass produced/production line/fast food/whatever analogy you like for lack of artistry and quality. There's no creativity anymore. Just about every movie can be put into a few categories:
-Superhero/comic book
-The story of the first woman, black, or gay to do something amazing and overcome exaggerated American prejudice
-Remake or reboot
I used to go to the movies probably 10 or more times a year. I'm down to maybe once or twice a year, if that. This year will be a high for me, as when I go see The Last Jedi, that will make a whopping 3 movies I've gone to see (The other two were Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and It).
This is why I have a huge DVD library and 80% of them are films and shows made before 1990. Lots of classic film and tv. The only new stuff I watch are premium channel series like House of Cards, Ray Donovan, Game of Thrones, etc.
Outlander Systems
10-17-17, 15:55
Back when movies weren't 2 hours of jump cuts spaced at 1-second intervals. :rolleyes:
Part of what made Blade Runner 2049 a contemporary classic was a hearkening back to a more classic style of directing, bereft of superhero capeshit, endless ADHD-inducing jump cuts, and infinite Bayian explosions.
This is why I have a huge DVD library and 80% of them are films and shows made before 1990. Lots of classic film and tv. The only new stuff I watch are premium channel series like House of Cards, Ray Donovan, Game of Thrones, etc.
Back when movies weren't 2 hours of jump cuts spaced at 1-second intervals. :rolleyes:
Part of what made Blade Runner 2049 a contemporary classic was a hearkening back to a more classic style of directing, bereft of superhero capeshit, endless ADHD-inducing jump cuts, and infinite Bayian explosions.
The FB, twitter, Instacrap, etc has also ruined movies too sadly.
Outlander Systems
10-17-17, 16:53
Truth.
The FB, twitter, Instacrap, etc has also ruined movies too sadly.
DVDs, Amazon Prime Video, and books do it for me. And I'd probably be better off going with the books.
Screw all those artistic types.
DVDs, Amazon Prime Video, and books do it for me. And I'd probably be better off going with the books.
Screw all those artistic types.
You might have that backwards. Rod Serling was sci fi raised to the level of art, 40s and 50s Noir was art. Scorceses, De Palma, Lucas, Scott and Speilberg have all produced a few films that qualify as art.
Avatar on the other hand was Fern Gulley with poorly CGI'd smurfs. A lot of the crap that wins at Sundance is just crap, but if it's weird enough people mistake it for art.
I wish more people were actual artists, we'd have fewer 2 Fast 2 Furious sequels.
Actors like Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood have claimed for YEARS there is a pedophile ring in Hollyweird's elite circles. After this Weinstein story broke former Dawson's Creek star James Van Der Beek has come forward saying he was molested by old rich men when he was a teen actor.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/10/12/actor-james-van-der-beek-reveals-he-faced-sexual-harassment-by-older-powerful-men-in-wake-of-weinstein-scandal/
Regarding the Corieys (Cory Feldman and the late Cory Haim), there was a book titled Coreymania written by Cory Feldman and a ghostwriter. According to this book Corey Haim was sexually confused as a result of an encounter when he was a child actor on a movie set where an older male actor who is now a huge star coerced him into having sex, claim, "this is something done by all big Hollywood actors" or something to that effect. Take a look at the cast of the movie Lucas and tell me which of them has come out with having HIV in the last year or so.
Actually artistic types arent bad.
Not all thespians are boy lovers.
I miss the old Cannon Films. They were Jingoistic Right Wing vigilante/commando/kill em ups funded by two dudes from Israel.
Or the low budget 'Nam films like 84 Charlie MoPic, Platoon Leader, and Siege at Firebase Gloria. Or Uncommon Valor.
Or the dangerous films like Red Dawn. In retrospect, as an adult, a land invasion of the US would be suicide but it was a response to The Day After. It was meant to portray Americans as willing to be guerillas if need be instead of just giving up.
Or the super dangerous films like Bad Lieutenant. To this day the church scene gets to me. Or King of New York.
But what has done it in were the money people and the drug people and the predators.
Think back on your favorite films...no matter how violent Why did you like them?
Because they had a moral and took you away from your troubles and gave you a character you liked.
Now? SSDD with preaching. I dont care how CIA/KGB she is....she aint spin kicking dudes through windows.
Atomic Blonde gets a pass because Charlize Theron is 6 foot tall and got her ass beat until she gassed up that CZ75 again
Straight Shooter
10-17-17, 23:31
You know what.
I hope this breaks hollywood.
I hope there is a renaissance of indie film and people who want to tell entertaining stories instead of a sex mill for rich perverts who try to brainwash people subliminally with mixed messages while predatoring on naive people who wanna act.
I think a severe guerilla indie movement would allow for stories far outside the narrative.
And nothing they make is good (except Blade Runner)
Even Star Wars sucks (except Rogue One)
Between this & upcoming scandals...of which Im PRAYING the pedophiles are outed finally...and the sorry assed bunch of so-called films out right now..its hopefully a one-two punch that will let MUCH NEEDED air of of the Godless, un-patriotic, egotistical, holier-than-thou blowhards that IS hollywood. Its a much deserved & needed come-uppance. Ive been out of work a few weeks recouperating from a small srgery, and Ive had a free movie pass for some time. Now, Ive tried three times before to find ONE thing worth getting up and going to see. NADA. I wouldnt walk outside to see ANYTHING out right now. MAYBE the Death Wish remake with Willis...maybe, when it comes out. The current explosion of horror flicks to me is a indicator that hollywood can only come up with cheap, bawdy, gory crap thats been done & re-done numerous times and literally is not able to come up with anything truly new, fresh and/or watchable. Im noticing the same actors being used over & over & over too, like Damon, Blanchett, Affleck..you know..COVERUP CRONIES I call em.
Actually artistic types arent bad.
Not all thespians are boy lovers.
I miss the old Cannon Films. They were Jingoistic Right Wing vigilante/commando/kill em ups funded by two dudes from Israel.
If you have not seen it, you must find and watch "Electric Boogaloo: The Wild, Untold Story of Cannon Films." It is one of the most amazing documentaries about film I have ever seen. It's worth buying on DVD.
Or the low budget 'Nam films like 84 Charlie MoPic, Platoon Leader, and Siege at Firebase Gloria. Or Uncommon Valor.
Or the dangerous films like Red Dawn. In retrospect, as an adult, a land invasion of the US would be suicide but it was a response to The Day After. It was meant to portray Americans as willing to be guerillas if need be instead of just giving up.
I'd only add Amerika (1987), most people found it boring and too long as there were no gun fights and it starts AFTER the action. But some moments were truly frightening, especially those that have in many ways already come to pass.
Or the super dangerous films like Bad Lieutenant. To this day the church scene gets to me. Or King of New York.
But what has done it in were the money people and the drug people and the predators.
Think back on your favorite films...no matter how violent Why did you like them?
Because they had a moral and took you away from your troubles and gave you a character you liked.
Now? SSDD with preaching. I dont care how CIA/KGB she is....she aint spin kicking dudes through windows.
Atomic Blonde gets a pass because Charlize Theron is 6 foot tall and got her ass beat until she gassed up that CZ75 again
Savior, amazing film but absolutely soul killing. Then add every vigilante movie from the 70s and 80s ever made starting with Death Wish. I honestly kinda miss the old New York where Central Park was a potential killing field after dark.
Regarding the Corieys (Cory Feldman and the late Cory Haim), there was a book titled Coreymania written by Cory Feldman and a ghostwriter. According to this book Corey Haim was sexually confused as a result of an encounter when he was a child actor on a movie set where an older male actor who is now a huge star coerced him into having sex, claim, "this is something done by all big Hollywood actors" or something to that effect. Take a look at the cast of the movie Lucas and tell me which of them has come out with having HIV in the last year or so.
Charlie Sheen?!? Do you really think he's a pedo? Because he seems to have very specific tastes and if he was into kids he'd have more sleepovers than Michael Jackson. I just don't really see it. If you said Tom Cruise I could totally buy it, but Sheen, despite his numerous faults seems to be 100% devoted to slutty chicks and he is the only person I'd honestly believe got HIV from drug use and / or heterosexual transmission.
He's also a completely unstable wild card so if he was even bi curious about guys it would be endless scandal after scandal, he'd have a rep like George Michael, in fact he'd probably be in a temporary relationship with George Michael. And if he was a closet pedo, I don't think he could keep it in the closet longer than a week.
He's a crash and burn artist like no other and somehow keeps walking away from last weeks wreckage mostly intact. Can't last forever but it's almost impressive.
Doc Safari
10-18-17, 07:35
There is hope for Hollywood. Saw "Mountain Between Us" last night. Great movie and not a thing I can find wrong with it.
Charlie Sheen?!? Do you really think he's a pedo? Because he seems to have very specific tastes and if he was into kids he'd have more sleepovers than Michael Jackson. I just don't really see it. If you said Tom Cruise I could totally buy it, but Sheen, despite his numerous faults seems to be 100% devoted to slutty chicks and he is the only person I'd honestly believe got HIV from drug use and / or heterosexual transmission.
He's also a completely unstable wild card so if he was even bi curious about guys it would be endless scandal after scandal, he'd have a rep like George Michael, in fact he'd probably be in a temporary relationship with George Michael. And if he was a closet pedo, I don't think he could keep it in the closet longer than a week.
He's a crash and burn artist like no other and somehow keeps walking away from last weeks wreckage mostly intact. Can't last forever but it's almost impressive.
I really don't know. I was putting 2+2 together. The Corymania book mentioned that it was a star in the movie Lucas, and Charlie Sheen wen't public with being HIV positive-supposedly to thwart someone who was blackmailing him about his non-hetero secrets. You can never tell in that town or with these types of stories.
I really don't know. I was putting 2+2 together. The Corymania book mentioned that it was a star in the movie Lucas, and Charlie Sheen wen't public with being HIV positive-supposedly to thwart someone who was blackmailing him about his non-hetero secrets. You can never tell in that town or with these types of stories.
Anything is possible. But if you told me he raped a goat at a petting zoo because he was high on crack I could more easily imagine that than him being a pedo. Awkward defending him but most pedos don't get involved with the likes of Ginger Lynn. You get involved with Ginger Lynn because you are really, really, really into girls and you prefer them on the slutty side. I also don't think he has the intelligence or long game to run a PR screen like that. He seems terribly impulsive. But again, anything is possible.
Moose-Knuckle
10-19-17, 04:48
Regarding the Corieys (Cory Feldman and the late Cory Haim), there was a book titled Coreymania written by Cory Feldman and a ghostwriter. According to this book Corey Haim was sexually confused as a result of an encounter when he was a child actor on a movie set where an older male actor who is now a huge star coerced him into having sex, claim, "this is something done by all big Hollywood actors" or something to that effect. Take a look at the cast of the movie Lucas and tell me which of them has come out with having HIV in the last year or so.
Ah hah, Carlos Estevez aka Charlie Sheen.
When he was a child he and his brother would spend a lot of time around Hollywood types on their father's film sets. During an interview Charlie Sheen told a story when Martin Sheen was filming Apocalypse Now in the Philippines him and his brother would hang out with Lawrence Fishburne. Fishburne was all of about 17 and would take Charlie and Emilio who were tweens to brothels to get high and get laid. No doubt old Charlie was abused by these types when he was young, this sort of thing is a learned behavior.
Actually artistic types arent bad.
Not all thespians are boy lovers.
I miss the old Cannon Films. They were Jingoistic Right Wing vigilante/commando/kill em ups funded by two dudes from Israel.
Or the low budget 'Nam films like 84 Charlie MoPic, Platoon Leader, and Siege at Firebase Gloria. Or Uncommon Valor.
Or the dangerous films like Red Dawn. In retrospect, as an adult, a land invasion of the US would be suicide but it was a response to The Day After. It was meant to portray Americans as willing to be guerillas if need be instead of just giving up.
Or the super dangerous films like Bad Lieutenant. To this day the church scene gets to me. Or King of New York.
But what has done it in were the money people and the drug people and the predators.
Think back on your favorite films...no matter how violent Why did you like them?
Because they had a moral and took you away from your troubles and gave you a character you liked.
Now? SSDD with preaching. I dont care how CIA/KGB she is....she aint spin kicking dudes through windows.
Atomic Blonde gets a pass because Charlize Theron is 6 foot tall and got her ass beat until she gassed up that CZ75 again
"A Golan / Globus Production"
Lol
Great list you compiled.
If you have not seen it, you must find and watch "Electric Boogaloo: The Wild, Untold Story of Cannon Films." It is one of the most amazing documentaries about film I have ever seen. It's worth buying on DVD.
I'd only add Amerika (1987), most people found it boring and too long as there were no gun fights and it starts AFTER the action. But some moments were truly frightening, especially those that have in many ways already come to pass.
Savior, amazing film but absolutely soul killing. Then add every vigilante movie from the 70s and 80s ever made starting with Death Wish. I honestly kinda miss the old New York where Central Park was a potential killing field after dark.
I'll add one. Luc Besson's 'The Professional'. I own multiple versions of it, the theatrical release is my favorite and fits the bill for artistic and chock ful o action.
That said the Directors Cut of 'Leon' has 15 minutes or so of additional footage with the underage girl / older man angle, and portrays Leon as mentally under developed. Interesting for the main release the taboo story line was cut, yet filmed and everyone (industry) seemed to think it was a good idea (until unfavorable public screenings).
SeriousStudent
10-19-17, 21:36
There is hope for Hollywood. Saw "Mountain Between Us" last night. Great movie and not a thing I can find wrong with it.
Idris Elba is an excellent actor, and one of my favorites.
Ah hah, Carlos Estevez aka Charlie Sheen.
When he was a child he and his brother would spend a lot of time around Hollywood types on their father's film sets. During an interview Charlie Sheen told a story when Martin Sheen was filming Apocalypse Now in the Philippines him and his brother would hang out with Lawrence Fishburne. Fishburne was all of about 17 and would take Charlie and Emilio who were tweens to brothels to get high and get laid. No doubt old Charlie was abused by these types when he was young, this sort of thing is a learned behavior.
Fishburne took them to a brothel in the Philippines. I don't remember if he took both of them or just the elder brother. I don't know anything beyond that.
BTW, the book Cory Feldman wrote was titled Coreyography, not Coreymania as I previously wrote. I read it on Kindle in the last year because for whatever reason I sometimes find books of screwed up youthdom to be entertaining. The book said that Corey Haim was introduced to gay sex by someone in the movie Lucas and the way it was written seemed to imply that it was Charlie Sheen. I believe Ginger Lynn visited the set and briefly went out with Corey Feldman and at least gave him a BJ in a car.
titsonritz
10-20-17, 17:04
Idris Elba is an excellent actor, and one of my favorites.
Yeah he is, same here.
Doc Safari
10-20-17, 17:07
Idris Elba is an excellent actor, and one of my favorites.
Just in case there's enough interest to discuss this movie in its own thread:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?200971-A-Movie-That-Shows-There-Is-Hope-for-Hollywood
Rayrevolver
10-20-17, 19:19
"A Golan / Globus Production"
Lol
Great list you compiled.
My mom was in a Golan Globus movie! Missing In Action III. She had 1 line. We had Aaron Norris, Chucks brother and the director, and the young actor over for dinner.
I have a lot of friends in Hollywood. Most are pretty liberal except for my buddy who is a stuntman.
Hopefully they can find these pederasts/pedophiles and I guess send them to prison, pay restitution etc. Seems like that is getting off easy but its better than nothing.
Fishburne took them to a brothel in the Philippines. I don't remember if he took both of them or just the elder brother. I don't know anything beyond that.
BTW, the book Cory Feldman wrote was titled Coreyography, not Coreymania as I previously wrote. I read it on Kindle in the last year because for whatever reason I sometimes find books of screwed up youthdom to be entertaining. The book said that Corey Haim was introduced to gay sex by someone in the movie Lucas and the way it was written seemed to imply that it was Charlie Sheen. I believe Ginger Lynn visited the set and briefly went out with Corey Feldman and at least gave him a BJ in a car.
Look where Fishburne's daughter ended up. Fine fathering.
Oh and the that Weinstein money she was going to donate to charity? Now she claims it's already been spent, ummmmm yeah.
I guess she figures the "I can't recall" excuse simply won't work here. Oh well, yet another wrinkle in the Clinton money laundry. I guess they need to call on help from abroad now since everyone local is under investigation for something.
Weinstein ties to Clinton, Obama run deep (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/10/weinstein-ties-to-clinton-obama-run-deep.html)Yeah...and where was this information in 2008, 2012, and 2016? Kinda convenient to keep quiet then, eh?
Averageman
10-22-17, 20:42
The Pedo's are beginning to be named. One of the larger Agents in Hollywood for child Actors got named as a child rapist Friday.
The Pedro's are beginning to be named. https://bmj2k.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/vote-for-pedro.jpg
the majority, of course, are from the left :) look at the teachers that do this and so many others in charge or power
but hey its the conservatives war on women and children that is the problem
Moose-Knuckle
10-24-17, 05:30
the majority, of course, are from the left :) look at the teachers that do this and so many others in charge or power
but hey its the conservatives war on women and children that is the problem
Once this story broke a female liberal Democrat CA lawmaker came out stating that there is a huge problem of sexual harassment in CA state government, largely if not all Democrat. The dumbass that gave the infamous "ghost gun" speech has been named as one of the pervs LOL!
Moose-Knuckle
11-05-17, 02:24
So Kevin Spacey is a homo pedo . . . the backlash from the LGBT community has been epic.
Looks like the popular House of Cards is in trouble.
Hollywood keeps devouring itself, not a bad thing. :neo:
Now Dustin Hoffman and Jermey Piven have been named by accusers as well.
Averageman
11-05-17, 08:36
Here you go, an updated 67 name list.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/10/25/hollywood-accused-harassers-molesters-rapists-rap-sheet-far/
As a means to understand just how, yes, institutional these allegations are, here is a list (in no particular order) of the accused and their alleged misdeeds, which will be updated as needed.
Unless otherwise indicated, these stand only as allegations.
So far, 67 and counting…
skywalkrNCSU
11-05-17, 13:05
https://i.redd.it/qr8ttf4x86wz.png
Holy crap, this story has just gone from run of the mil Hollowood scum bag to a whole different level. If he does not end up in jail over this stuff, I'll be surprised:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies
Once this story broke a female liberal Democrat CA lawmaker came out stating that there is a huge problem of sexual harassment in CA state government, largely if not all Democrat. The dumbass that gave the infamous "ghost gun" speech has been named as one of the pervs LOL!
I truly hope kevin de leon is taken down.
Diamondback
11-07-17, 09:33
I truly hope kevin de leon is taken down.
So do I, problem is there's a limitless pool of Gun Grabbers waiting to replace him and all his buddies like teeth in a shark's jaw... :(
So do I, problem is there's a limitless pool of Gun Grabbers waiting to replace him and all his buddies like teeth in a shark's jaw... :(leland yee...kevin de leon... Like the barber said... Next!
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FromMyColdDeadHand
11-07-17, 11:39
Ha! Harvey better watch it- Kevin “Did I wake you?” Spacey just checked into the same program...
Diamondback
11-07-17, 14:36
Ha! Harvey better watch it- Kevin “Did I wake you?” Spacey just checked into the same program...
"Squeal like a pig, boy!" *snickering evilly*
So Kevin Spacey is a homo pedo . . . the backlash from the LGBT community has been epic.
Looks like the popular House of Cards is in trouble.
Hollywood keeps devouring itself, not a bad thing. :neo:
Now Dustin Hoffman and Jermey Piven have been named by accusers as well.
Hopefully they will just CGI Spacey for one episode and Claire will conclude that Frank is dead weight and have him whacked. Homos in hollywood are nothing new, James Whale and Charles Laughton were hardly in the closet. Just need to leave the kids alone, and that goes for all adults hetero or homo.
Look where Fishburne's daughter ended up. Fine fathering.
Better there than involved in politics. Not everyone is going to be an astronaut. Montana seems to have assessed her skill set and found the correct vocation. Now if he can just keep her from driving under the influence and peeing in the street I'd have no issues.
Moose-Knuckle
11-07-17, 17:04
Hopefully they will just CGI Spacey for one episode and Claire will conclude that Frank is dead weight and have him whacked. Homos in hollywood are nothing new, James Whale and Charles Laughton were hardly in the closet. Just need to leave the kids alone, and that goes for all adults hetero or homo.
Well you know how AIDS got to Hollywood right . . . in the back of a Hudson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRs0OqV4uSc
My post wasn't knocking Spacey for being a homo, I think everyone knew that. It was his timing of coming out to try to somehow deflect from the news story that he has made numerous sexual advances on underage males in movies and plays as well as full on molesting. See Richard Dreyfuss son's accusations for example.
Well, Sodom and Gomorrah got "nuked from orbit"--so there is a precedent of sorts there.
skywalkrNCSU
11-10-17, 07:21
http://time.com/5017940/roy-moore-sexual-contact-underage-jesus-defense-jim-ziegler/
Time to lock up all these pervs using their power to assault people and all those that help defend them
Diamondback
11-10-17, 07:31
http://time.com/5017940/roy-moore-sexual-contact-underage-jesus-defense-jim-ziegler/
Time to lock up all these pervs using their power to assault people and all those that help defend them
Am I the only one who finds the timing curious that this accusation ONLY got made after it was too late to take his name off the General Election ballot? Having grown up among the local Wealthy and Connected's kids, I've seen and DONE enough character assassination to know it when I see it.
I'm not defending Moore, I'm just saying let's lay out all the evidence on the table and weigh it all out, and let the chips fall where they will.
Am I the only one who finds the timing curious that this accusation ONLY got made after it was too late to take his name off the General Election ballot? Having grown up among the local Wealthy and Connected's kids, I've seen and DONE enough character assassination to know it when I see it.
I'm not defending Moore, I'm just saying let's lay out all the evidence on the table and weigh it all out, and let the chips fall where they will.
Welcome to the new age of electioneering...
We're going to see more of these allegations in local, state and federal elections. They don't have to be true or even believable, but they will be an effective means of changing the political landscapse.
Diamondback
11-10-17, 08:22
Welcome to the new age of electioneering...
We're going to see more of these allegations in local, state and federal elections. They don't have to be true or even believable, but they will be an effective means of changing the political landscapse.
That's nothing new, what's new is how readily the Ivy League Kapo Wing of the GOP eagerly collaborates with the Demonazi Konzentrazionslagerkommandanten. :(
I heard a rumor that Mitch McConnell liked sharing little boys with Harry Reid (or was it that he liked bending over and taking it in the ass from Reid? I don't remember anymore)... see what I did there?
Annndd now supposedly PizzaGate / Comet Ping Pong is finally being investigated...the timing of all these issues seems, coordinated. Huh.
(Pedo crap involving celebrities, politicians, et al)
Moose-Knuckle
11-10-17, 14:35
Am I the only one who finds the timing curious that this accusation ONLY got made after it was too late to take his name off the General Election ballot? Having grown up among the local Wealthy and Connected's kids, I've seen and DONE enough character assassination to know it when I see it.
I'm not defending Moore, I'm just saying let's lay out all the evidence on the table and weigh it all out, and let the chips fall where they will.
You mean kind of like all those women who came out claiming to have been raped by Trump in the last month leading up to the general election?
Yeah there are some people who have been questioning the timing of all these rape allegations to include the Hollywood shit show. Not saying there is no truth behind the claims just that why all of a sudden is this breaking news and people are loosing their careers and shows over it now.
Annndd now supposedly PizzaGate / Comet Ping Pong is finally being investigated...the timing of all these issues seems, coordinated. Huh.
(Pedo crap involving celebrities, politicians, et al)
And once they associate "pizzagate" with this stuff, they will be able to declare it all to be "fake news."
Averageman
11-11-17, 06:18
Louis CK just took the hit.
He confessed, HBO cut all ties and now unless he has been stacking it deep, is now starting completely over again.
This is like a plague. More came out :) yesterday.
Mr. Sulu was accused of drugging another actor and groping him.
Steven Seagal was accused by several actresses of asking for "favors" or trying to expose himself.
skywalkrNCSU
11-11-17, 08:32
Louis CK just took the hit.
He confessed, HBO cut all ties and now unless he has been stacking it deep, is now starting completely over again.
Not to downplay what CK did by any means but he at least owned it in what appeared to be a sincere way. Didn’t make up some BS excuse and say he was going to rehab.
I hope these just keep on coming out, get everything out in the open so this aura the Hollywood types have over the general public can be shattered, same with politicians.
Averageman
11-11-17, 08:43
How many of these guys are Conservatives versus the Socialist Progressive Party for Women's Rights?
Just wondering how the numbers of Misogynists are comparing....Nothing politically motivated in that of course.
Steven Seagal was accused by several actresses of asking for "favors" or trying to expose himself.
The douche runs strong in this one...
Like I said.....most of these women didnt mind hopping on the casting couch when they were young and the ravages of time had not yet hit them
Same with these dudes, when they were younger, slimmer, and richer; popping out one eyed willy wasnt so egregious. Because most of these women saw it as an "opportunity"
Now everyone is old and finger pointing and it is DELISH.
I hope this destroys Hollywood and more indie people pop up.
Hell I watch a retro channel that airs a lot of old Cannon films. They may not have had budget but had more heart.
Most films today are pretentious and boring anyway
Diamondback
11-11-17, 10:18
Mr. Sulu was accused of drugging another actor and groping him.
Always did think there was something skeevy about that guy...
Diamondback
11-11-17, 10:19
Same with these dudes, when they were younger, slimmer, and richer; popping out one eyed willy wasnt so egregious. Because most of these women saw it as an "opportunity"
Now everyone is old and finger pointing and it is DELISH.
Also, back then they weren't worth much, but now that they've made piles o' loot...
Like I said.....most of these women didnt mind hopping on the casting couch when they were young and the ravages of time had not yet hit them
Same with these dudes, when they were younger, slimmer, and richer; popping out one eyed willy wasnt so egregious. Because most of these women saw it as an "opportunity"
Agreed! There are Victoria's Secret models coming out now saying that in order to get there big break they were "forced" to do certain things with men. Bitch you weren't forced to spread your legs but the idea of being famous and rich overpowered your values and sense of self worth!! I would understand if you said NO! lost the opportunity and you came out right away accusing these men while standing up for other women, but you went through with it and over the years you became super famous and rich and now after all the publicity, money, parties, red carpet events and shows, you want to settle down and live a normal life and your youthful decisions has come back to haunt you. If you sleep with a guy knowing that there is a bright future ahead, its not rape, its not harassment and its not assault! Its consensual! You might hate yourself later and you might hate the fact that you had to sleep your way up to the top, but regardless, you slept with someone in exchange for personal gain and that is called prostitution!
Now Anthony Edwards just came out saying he was molested by a producer. Maybe we can shorten this mess by naming the handful in Hollywood that aren't rapists, pedophiles, molesters or perverts and then indict all others.
Averageman
11-11-17, 14:56
http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/10/mary-katharine-ham-media-covers-up-liberal-sexual-assault/
Mary Katharine Ham joined CNN’s “Inside Politics” on Friday to discuss why Americans often don’t consider the media trustworthy when it covers sexual assault allegations.
“The reason that Bannon can say ‘this is all just a hit job’ is because the media has not been trustworthy on some of these issues in the past,” Ham said.
“If you look back to the Rolling Stone rape case to the Duke lacrosse case where those folks were railroaded, or if you want to talk about Senator Waitress Sandwich, who was the lion of the Senate, because much of the media here kept quiet about those things over the years, or Bill Clinton,” she said. “Two weeks ago NBC covered up the Weinstein thing and Ronan Farrow’s very good reporting because of somebody’s friendship with Weinstein.”
Good Points.
Agreed! There are Victoria's Secret models coming out now saying that in order to get there big break they were "forced" to do certain things with men. Bitch you weren't forced to spread your legs but the idea of being famous and rich overpowered your values and sense of self worth!! I would understand if you said NO! lost the opportunity and you came out right away accusing these men while standing up for other women, but you went through with it and over the years you became super famous and rich and now after all the publicity, money, parties, red carpet events and shows, you want to settle down and live a normal life and your youthful decisions has come back to haunt you. If you sleep with a guy knowing that there is a bright future ahead, its not rape, its not harassment and its not assault! Its consensual! You might hate yourself later and you might hate the fact that you had to sleep your way up to the top, but regardless, you slept with someone in exchange for personal gain and that is called prostitution!
I just want to make sure that it is your position that requiring someone to have sex with you for any reason, except in marriage and there is no mitigation, is in and of itself wrong. And we don't know what these women desired, unless they tell us, when they were younger.
Averageman
11-11-17, 15:26
I just want to make sure that it is your position that requiring someone to have sex with you for any reason, except in marriage and there is no mitigation, is in and of itself wrong.
There is a requirement for sex when you are married?
There is a requirement for sex when you are married?
Yes, within the marriage covenant it is required of both parties, unless there is mitigation, like an illness. But then I hold a Christian view of marriage, not a popular view around here. Or maybe you were kidding with me and I missed that.
Averageman
11-11-17, 15:48
Yes, within the marriage covenant it is required of both parties, unless there is mitigation, like an illness. But then I hold a Christian view of marriage, not a popular view around here. Or maybe you were kidding with me and I missed that.
I was kidding Tom.
I'm not knocking your beliefs, they are yours and your wife's and if you both hold true to them, I'm sure all is good.
I myself am forced to rely on my charm and my Hai Karate aftershave. I'm sure your system works better.
I was kidding Tom.
I'm not knocking your beliefs, they are yours and your wife's and if you both hold true to them, I'm sure all is good.
I myself am forced to rely on my charm and my Hai Karate aftershave. I'm sure your system works better.
Hai Karate? Are you sure it's not your 1972 Ford Pinto that's holding you back?
Yes, within the marriage covenant it is required of both parties, unless there is mitigation, like an illness. But then I hold a Christian view of marriage, not a popular view around here. Or maybe you were kidding with me and I missed that.
I go to an A.M.E. Church and that's a new one on me.
But The More You Know
Yes, within the marriage covenant it is required of both parties, unless there is mitigation, like an illness. But then I hold a Christian view of marriage, not a popular view around here. Or maybe you were kidding with me and I missed that.
Is this kinda like requiring certain dress in public and mandating male escorts too?
Or am I just a heathen
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Is this kinda like requiring certain dress in public and mandating male escorts too?
Or am I just a heathen
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I get it now.
Naw, that's the peace religion.
I just wanted to make sure the other fellow was seeing the wrongness on both sides. The women and the men shouldn't have done what they did.
Mr. Goodtimes
11-11-17, 16:09
Yes, within the marriage covenant it is required of both parties, unless there is mitigation, like an illness. But then I hold a Christian view of marriage, not a popular view around here. Or maybe you were kidding with me and I missed that.
And this is why Christians get a bad rap. I️ went to church for years and don’t remember anyone ever telling me my wife was required to have sex with me. If that was the case I️ probably would have kept going to church and gotten married.
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Outlander Systems
11-11-17, 16:11
Murk'in Taliban.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-11-17, 16:35
Is this kinda like requiring certain dress in public and mandating male escorts too?
I definitely don't want to be told to dress, and I am not down with mandated male escorts. ick.
I almost feel like we have entered the French Revolution Reign of Terror with a bit of old school witch hunt where accusations are all that matter and no one is safe. I'm sure a lot if not most of these accounts are true, but how would you like to be the only Hollywood starlet that says she wasn't assaulted? At this point every guy is guilty of either participating or covering it up or ignoring it.
And this is why Christians get a bad rap. I️ went to church for years and don’t remember anyone ever telling me my wife was required to have sex with me. If that was the case I️ probably would have kept going to church and gotten married.
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Can't speak to your church, but the Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Cor 7:5 not to defraud one another. The context is marriage, specifically sexual relations.
Diamondback
11-11-17, 17:59
I almost feel like we have entered the French Revolution Reign of Terror with a bit of old school witch hunt where accusations are all that matter and no one is safe.
Dude, that's creepy... I've been thinking the same thing of late. If the Left plans to play that way, perhaps it's time to start playing the "J'accuse Card" on them, en masse...
Remember the wise words of Eliot Ness's mentor in Chicago, keeping them to a metaphorical context...
"He pullsh a knife, you pull a gun. He shendsh one of yoursh to the hoshpital, you shend one of hish to the morgue! That'sh the Chicago Way!"--Sgt. Jimmy Malone, Chicago PD
Averageman
11-11-17, 18:28
And here is the kicker with the GOP, They don't feel our pain.
They put up two Mopes in a row that couldn't win an election and about six weeks or two debates in they were sure they wouldn't win. No biggie, it didn't stop most of the House and Senate from getting reelected and sent back to Washington. If they didn't win, WTF, they became Lobbyists and stayed in Washington.
When the other party is beating the crap out of the Middle Class and spouting no end of hate, what do McCaine and Romney do? They bitch about Trump who fought back, didn't roll over and won his election.
And unfortunately they still don't get it.
Can't speak to your church, but the Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Cor 7:5 not to defraud one another. The context is marriage, specifically sexual relations.
So no doesn’t mean no?
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So no doesn’t mean no?
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Yes, no means no, but not for long periods of time and for bogus reasons. The command is to be one flesh, to love one another, to think and care for the other. No isn't supposed to be used like some sort of weapon. The requirement is to bring a husband and wife together, not some rigid rule.... "I can have sex whenever I want wherever I want, because it's all about me and what I want."
I just want to make sure that it is your position that requiring someone to have sex with you for any reason, except in marriage and there is no mitigation, is in and of itself wrong. And we don't know what these women desired, unless they tell us, when they were younger.
I have a Christ like view on marriage as well as sex. Sex SHOULD NOT be viewed as business or used for personal glory. I cannot speak of these women's desires when they were younger, only God can. But don't come out saying "i had to sleep with him in order to get to where I am" only after you got where you are. Its not right but if a man offers a great life to a woman who is seeking a good life and they "both" have sex, its consensual!! All these models and actresses are saying that some guy "asked me to come back up to there room and I just thought they wanted to talk", what did you think that meant? A rich man and a vulnerable young attractive women? You could have said NO but you said, "this could be better for me right now". You might not have wanted it but you it didn't stop you from saying no.
Can't speak to your church, but the Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Cor 7:5 not to defraud one another. The context is marriage, specifically sexual relations.
yes but only for a little while so that not to lead your spouse into temptation.
Without this getting tangential, I would rather have a partner who wanted to make love instead of thinking they were required to.
If you have to demand, order, beg, or force; then it defeats the purpose.
I think that applies to life in general and with the topic at hand.
If you are a hollywood guy with wealth and have to browbeat women then what does that say? Likewise if you are an actress and are willing to spread leg to be in a movie or get a raise, what does that say about you?
I dont care anymore. People worry too much about other peoples business.
Nobody in hollywood worries about me so I dont worry about them.
The last two movies I saw and liked was BR2049 and T23D.
and maybe Atomic Blonde.
Otherwise nothing I cared to see or wasnt willing to wait to stream
I have a Christ like view on marriage as well as sex. Sex SHOULD NOT be viewed as business or used for personal glory. I cannot speak of these women's desires when they were younger, only God can. But don't come out saying "i had to sleep with him in order to get to where I am" only after you got where you are. Its not right but if a man offers a great life to a woman who is seeking a good life and they "both" have sex, its consensual!! All these models and actresses are saying that some guy "asked me to come back up to there room and I just thought they wanted to talk", what did you think that meant? A rich man and a vulnerable young attractive women? You could have said NO but you said, "this could be better for me right now". You might not have wanted it but you it didn't stop you from saying no.
I would agree. When a woman (in this case) decides that having sex to get ahead is the way to go then whining about how she got shafted years later doesn't really carry much weight. When men use their position to try and "you want the part, position whatever give me sex" then he's just a petty oppressor and lech. He's kind of pathetic too...can't get a girl without manipulation.
Without this getting tangential, I would rather have a partner who wanted to make love instead of thinking they were required to.
If you have to demand, order, beg, or force; then it defeats the purpose.
I think that applies to life in general and with the topic at hand.
If you are a hollywood guy with wealth and have to browbeat women then what does that say? Likewise if you are an actress and are willing to spread leg to be in a movie or get a raise, what does that say about you?
I dont care anymore. People worry too much about other peoples business.
Nobody in hollywood worries about me so I dont worry about them.
The last two movies I saw and liked was BR2049 and T23D.
and maybe Atomic Blonde.
Otherwise nothing I cared to see or wasnt willing to wait to stream
God makes all kinds of requirements, he would rather we willing obey them. Since we are sinners, we have a strong inclination not to. So there are many admonishments and encouragements to do the right thing. I know I am required to and should willingly love my wife, but many times I'm disinclined....grace and mercy are wonderful things.
lefties seem to just go along with what the marching orders or trends are
global warming OH its so real jump on that bandwagon as I fly my private jet around to tell others to stop doing what they are doing
now the current trend is turn in the rapist or molester? but hey why did you not bother when it happened? DNA rape kit shut case kinda thing
I do think many of the so-called molestations or rapes were more like OK if I can get something out of it I will go along with it but again why did they not turn in these people when it happened if it was real :)
I think young actors have it worse. Who are raised in movie studios by managers, directors, agents and producers. Kept away from there family. Look at Miley Cyrus, and inspiration to young girls but once released, she had to find who she was and in doing so, erased her once wholesome persona for one that was awful and caused outrage. Same with Michael Jackson, Amanda Bynes, Edward Furlong, Jodie Sweeten, Macaulay Culkin, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson. Ron Howard said that being a child actor took a lot of his youth away and luckily he had good people in his life to keep him balanced. Las Vegas IS NOT Sin City, Hollywood is! And there is no shame! Best to burn down and rebuild much as the way of Sodom and Gomorrah or leave it to destroy it self. After all, much of this is a publicity stunt after all, one that will cost the careers of hundreds if not thousands of people.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-12-17, 01:22
But all that does get to a sticky wicket on all this stuff. You have the hottest, most alluring women on the planet and then you are surprised that men will do insane things to sleep with them? I’m not saying its right at all, but when you have these women whose main advantage in life is being incrediblely attractive, and this is how they are differentiated and compensated- and then we are all aghast when they treated like sex objects? When the sell themeselves as sex objects...
On a smaller scale, it is the hot chick that wears something really slutty and she gets upset if men even leer at her- and I’m not talking about rude comments. The hot chick with out a bra in the freezer section when a 21 years old Mr. Hand gives her a crooked smile, and she acts all indignant. (I do have to say that Texas is the only place I’ve been where you can acknowledge a hot chick, with a smile and a head nod, and they smile back as a thank you.)
Plus, outside of sexual assault, I really don’t know what to make of “unwanted advances”. Put the word ‘repeated’ in front and a picture that isn’t pretty starts to form, but at sometime you have to balance women’s playing hard to get with an guy not getting a clue.
And this jerking off in front of women? Listen, after 15 seconds you better not be alone with your hands below the equator, or things aren’t going right. Now it is supposed to be all kind of power play or something.
And somewhere the porn movie producers are wondering exactly how they are supposed to parody this, when it is a parody of itself.
What an absolute weird time. I don’t get it at all.
We reap what we sow.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/11/harvey_weinstein_socialism_and_mass_murder.html
TriggerFish
11-12-17, 11:44
https://i.imgur.com/4F3EuDm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4F3EuDm.jpg
LOL! Your a horrible person!!!
titsonritz
11-12-17, 17:09
https://i.imgur.com/4F3EuDm.jpg
OMFG that is great!! :jester:
Averageman
11-12-17, 18:14
If someone waits thirty years, twenty years or even a six months to report a Sexual Predator what does that say about them?
Worse yet, if they wait for others to make these same charges, what does that say?
If true charges like these must be punished severely, don't misunderstand my intent here, but really?
At what point does bringing these things to light only after others have taken the lead make you a less than honorable person?
If someone waits thirty years, twenty years or even a six months to report a Sexual Predator what does that say about them?
Worse yet, if they wait for others to make these same charges, what does that say?
If true charges like these must be punished severely, don't misunderstand my intent here, but really?
At what point does bringing these things to light only after others have taken the lead make you a less than honorable person?
at NO POINT!! these people knew there was something in it for them and waited until they could cash in before going public and only felt compelled because other people came forward first.
Its like everyone is coming out these days suggesting that they were harassed in some way, even the fat girl on Pitch Perfect said that she went up to a hotel room alone with 2 guys and after drinking, they started to ask her to stick her finger in one of the guys ass while the other guy wanted to video it with his iPhone. WTF!?!? Whatever that was, it wasn't sexual harassment, that is down right degrading!! Just like a Victoria secret model who says she likes to walk around in her lingerie but feels uncomfortable because people take pictures of her- Doesn't a Victoria secret model get photos taken of them in lingerie? I'm confused? No Anthony Edwards (Goose), Cory Feldman, and a few male gay cast members from Glee are now saying that they were sexually assaulted but insisted that they perpetrator bought them all drinks over dinner and asked if they wanted to come back with him and they said no- That's not sexual harassment!! that just asking for sex and you said no and that was that!! Gay or straight, that a typical guy move! Its like the girls who insist a guy is stalking them because he asked for a phone number. So, IMHO, I do think some of these cases have merit, but far more seem to me like some time of witch pursuit type of thing, like a witch finding type of event . Either way this is either a witch pursuance or laser guided Karma!
skywalkrNCSU
11-12-17, 20:41
Some of you guys need to actually read about what victims of sexual assault go through and how often they are blamed for their assault. This isn’t limited to rich people where the victims are hoping to get something out of it, this is common through all types of sexual assault.
In most of these cases young women and men were assaulted by very rich and powerful people who could not only completely destroy their careers but their claims of being assaulted would have likely been brushed aside. How would you feel if someone raped you and then you risked everything to report it only to be told that it didn’t happen or it was your fault? It’s very difficult to prove sexual assault so it isn’t a reach to say one person coming forward would stand no chance against someone with millions upon millions.
I think at some point, this country needs to come to terms with some facts of life. Humans are sexual creatures. To the point that a percentage of them are driven by sex. Humans also make mistakes and humans are not always proud of the things they do. Male, female, gay, straight, it doesn't matter. To make matters worse, there's a ton of ambiguity on the subject. There isn't a hard and fast line between sexual pursuit and sexual harassment. Throw in power and money, it gets even worse.
How many people do you know as couples who met at work? How many have hooked up? How many were equals versus superior/subordinate? I always say don't poop where you eat, but people rarely listen. I believe a lot of these actresses, but not all of them. Most of these industry power players are scum no doubt, but you know plenty of them have had part seeking actresses and actors use sex to get parts. Look at Jennifer Lawrence dating her skeevy boss Darren Aronofsky. She's arguably the most powerful actress in Hollywood at the moment and she isn't helping all those actresses whose prospective bosses come on to them say "no". Look at Kristen Stewart dating her married director and being partly responsible for ending a marriage. Same thing in my opinion. Look at all the high end actresses clamoring to work with that perverted pedophile Woody Allen. They all know what he is and they fall all over themselves praising him to curry favor.
When there's an obvious plus side to saying yes, a lot of them say yes when they otherwise wouldn't give them the time of day. Are they prostitutes? In a fashion yes, but even a prostitute can be sexually assaulted. Even a prostitute has a right to say no. The proverbial casting couch will never be eliminated, simply because it works and people who want something bad enough will go along with it. Every person who accepted the couch and every person who ever falsely accused someone of using their position to solicit sexual favor, makes it incredibly hard for a righteous victim to speak out. And yes, waiting years or decades to say something doesn't help. Look at Roy Moore's accusers, who allegedly have political axes to grind and waited until the GOP couldn't replace him to speak out. He's probably a pedophile POS like they're saying, but damnit your accusations are blatantly timed for political purposes, even if true!
I have empathy for many of these victims and especially for the ones who were underage at the time it happened. But there are a hell of a lot more enablers than actual predators, and those are the ones who make it incredibly difficult to speak out in a timely manner.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-12-17, 22:20
Actually, that is what pisses me off so much. All this emphasis on sexual harassment in the workplace and society and there are all these guys you literally can't keep their dick in their pants and their hands to themselves. I literally don't know what to think of all this when you throw in the long running nature of this behavior and the silence that surrounds it. Strong feminists that stayed silent. Women's rights advocates stand accused.
Diamondback
11-12-17, 22:23
Actually, that is what pisses me off so much. All this emphasis on sexual harassment in the workplace and society and there are all these guys you literally can't keep their dick in their pants and their hands to themselves. I literally don't know what to think of all this when you throw in the long running nature of this behavior and the silence that surrounds it. Strong feminists that stayed silent. Women's rights advocates stand accused.
And then you get into the mixed-signals sent by how women always say they want nice guys but when they meet one friend-box trap him and keep going for jerks when what they claim to want is right under their noses... *rolls eyes*
Averageman
11-12-17, 23:19
Being a victim of rape would to me be completely different than what would appear to be happening in many of these cases , at least to me.
Consensual, perhaps not, but perhaps something different, unsavory perhaps, but not unexpected. Perhaps understood in some of these cased and even expected.
The very disappointing part to me is that this went on for decades because no one stopped it. No one said a word.
In most of these cases young women and men were assaulted by very rich and powerful people who could not only completely destroy their careers but their claims of being assaulted would have likely been brushed aside.
And honestly that is why so many people work regular jobs at regular places. I don't care how bad I wanted to be in movies, if I discovered the price of admission was blowing some dude well that would be the end of that. If he made sure "I never worked in Hollywood" because I wouldn't blow him, well that would be that.
Right now there are thousands of people doing shit like road work, fast food and other non glamorous jobs because they aren't willing to blow somebody in the hopes they might one day become "rich and famous." If you are one of those people who want it so bad you will grant sexual requests, well you just entered into an agreement. Don't come try to play the victim later because you played the game.
I'll reserve my compassion for actual victims of rape, sexual assault, etc. who were in no way a consenting party. Kids of course get a pass because of things like "age of consent" but where the hell were their parents in those cases?
Some of you guys need to actually read about what victims of sexual assault go through and how often they are blamed for their assault. This isn’t limited to rich people where the victims are hoping to get something out of it, this is common through all types of sexual assault.
In most of these cases young women and men were assaulted by very rich and powerful people who could not only completely destroy their careers but their claims of being assaulted would have likely been brushed aside. How would you feel if someone raped you and then you risked everything to report it only to be told that it didn’t happen or it was your fault? It’s very difficult to prove sexual assault so it isn’t a reach to say one person coming forward would stand no chance against someone with millions upon millions.
well as I said sadly this is often taking away from real rape cases and other assaults that were sexual etc..
this is OK I will do this to get the job and they do so things are happy for them but now they can get notariaty and more recognition jumping on the bandwagon of the modern lefty being the victim ! OH i was a victim to
so yeah its hoorible for sure but again these are not those cases of the norm like being at work
if you are in a career where this is the norm and known and you go into it ? well that is a bit like saying do not go to the gheto night club and you do anyway !!!
and to say nobody deserves it is %100 true but if a nice girl goes to the club in the gheto where they are not suposed to I have less sympathy especially when they have been told by many that bad things will happen and well they do it anyway !
same reason most all of us do not go to bad areas ?
same thing with any child and any parent lets that kid out of their site in hollywood shoudl also be heald responsible for what happens to them cause most any parent who knows whats up would never let their child alone with anyone form hollywood
BoringGuy45
11-13-17, 03:08
I'll reserve my compassion for actual victims of rape, sexual assault, etc. who were in no way a consenting party. Kids of course get a pass because of things like "age of consent" but where the hell were their parents in those cases?
Seeking fame and fortune and trying to live out their fantasies vicariously through their kids. I remember in that Sacha Baron Cohen movie Bruno, where he tells a parent that he's going to use her baby in a photo of a Nazi baby pushing a Jew baby into an oven. While a little uncomfortable, the baby's mom agrees to it. A normal person would say "What the hell is wrong with you?" and leave. But this lady was willing to do anything, ANYTHING, to get her kid famous.
The parents of these exploited kids probably knew what was going on, but they figured their kids' showbiz career was more important.
Well, the "doctor" treating Ole' Harv and Kev said on CBS today that they have brain diseases. This quackery all flows from the early days of AA. They were busy "diseasing" chronic drunkenness. AA actually described this disease as an obsession of the mind coupled with an allergy of the body. Of course there is no pathology to any of these diseases. And there are sane doctors who have pointed out the non-sense of the disease concept of addiction. In the end it's just a way to blunt the moral culpability of the diseased. People with cancer, heart disease or other real diseases don't generally have to go make amends to people because of their disease behavior.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-13-17, 11:00
Well, the "doctor" treating Ole' Harv and Kev said on CBS today that they have brain diseases.
Where is a pair of scissors so I can cut it out of there...
Averageman
11-13-17, 11:20
Charley Rose and now Rush have pointed out that sexual harassment became the norm when it was culturally accepted because Bill Clintons cases were ignored and generally given a pass.
Charley Rose and now Rush have pointed out that sexual harassment became the norm when it was culturally accepted because Bill Clintons cases were ignored and generally given a pass.
I don't know about Charley Rose, but with his track record of honesty and integrity Rush Limbaugh probably ought to STFU.
Well, the "doctor" treating Ole' Harv and Kev said on CBS today that they have brain diseases. This quackery all flows from the early days of AA. They were busy "diseasing" chronic drunkenness. AA actually described this disease as an obsession of the mind coupled with an allergy of the body. Of course there is no pathology to any of these diseases. And there are sane doctors who have pointed out the non-sense of the disease concept of addiction. In the end it's just a way to blunt the moral culpability of the diseased. People with cancer, heart disease or other real diseases don't generally have to go make amends to people because of their disease behavior.
There is a difference between a 'disease' and a genetic disposition.
A Gene for Alcoholism is Discovered
Researchers at Washington University and 5 other centers have combined forces to identify a gene that is associated with alcoholism in some families. The scientists focused on a region of chromosome 15 that contains several genes involved in the movement of a brain chemical called GABA between neurons. One version of the gene, GABRG3, was found statistically linked (associated) with alcoholism in the affected families.
Our Comments: There is a difference between identifying an attitude that runs in a family and discovering a gene that contributes to alcoholism. The HealthDay title of the previous article "Heredity May Play Part in Drinking Habits" is misleading. There is no evidence whatsoever that attitudes toward drinking are hereditary. There are familial, societal, and cultural attitudes toward alcohol consumption but this does not mean that they have a genetic basis.
Genes clearly do contribute to alcoholism. However, even when a gene like GABRG3 is found, that does not mean we understand the genetic basis of alcoholism. The researchers do not yet know how changes in the GABA gene increase a person's risk of alcoholism.
I don't know about Charley Rose, but with his track record of honesty and integrity Rush Limbaugh probably ought to STFU.
Those who live in opioid filled glass houses and all that...
skywalkrNCSU
11-13-17, 12:44
I eagerly await Bill O’Reilly’s condemnation of these scumbags
I eagerly await Bill O’Reilly’s condemnation of these scumbags
Why? He's a F-tard who is usually off base about most issues when he isn't writing fictional history books that are poorly sourced and full of conjecture.
#JusticeForLemmywinks
he made it all the way through Mr Slaves rectum!!!
Hey let’s not forget anyone! Now James Woods
https://mobile.twitter.com/Patriot_Beaver/status/930132515670634496
skywalkrNCSU
11-13-17, 13:13
Why? He's a F-tard who is usually off base about most issues when he isn't writing fictional history books that are poorly sourced and full of conjecture.
That was a sarcastic remark due to the multiple sexual harassment allegations on O’Reilly
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-13-17, 13:20
Hey let’s not forget anyone! Now James Woods
https://mobile.twitter.com/Patriot_Beaver/status/930132515670634496
Some people I think see this as a reboot opportunity for their careers. ....
Not saying Mr. Woods. He seems pretty happy doing what he's doin'.
I am waiting on the left to bring up clinton :)
I can have dreams that will never come true of course :)
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-13-17, 14:39
I think this is Young Turks in Progressive/Hollyweird land taking out some elders as pawn to try to get Trump from another angle.
Any Dem Pols hit yet? And, sure, they are all as pure as snow, that has been driven over by a coal truck.
Diamondback
11-13-17, 14:54
I think this is Young Turks in Progressive/Hollyweird land taking out some elders as pawn to try to get Trump from another angle.
Any Dem Pols hit yet? And, sure, they are all as pure as snow, that has been driven over by a coal truck.
That's what I've been suspecting from square one. Start a snowball rolling down the mountain in the right direction and watch it build into an avalanche burying the target...
There is a difference between a 'disease' and a genetic disposition.
A Gene for Alcoholism is Discovered
Researchers at Washington University and 5 other centers have combined forces to identify a gene that is associated with alcoholism in some families. The scientists focused on a region of chromosome 15 that contains several genes involved in the movement of a brain chemical called GABA between neurons. One version of the gene, GABRG3, was found statistically linked (associated) with alcoholism in the affected families.
Our Comments: There is a difference between identifying an attitude that runs in a family and discovering a gene that contributes to alcoholism. The HealthDay title of the previous article "Heredity May Play Part in Drinking Habits" is misleading. There is no evidence whatsoever that attitudes toward drinking are hereditary. There are familial, societal, and cultural attitudes toward alcohol consumption but this does not mean that they have a genetic basis.
Genes clearly do contribute to alcoholism. However, even when a gene like GABRG3 is found, that does not mean we understand the genetic basis of alcoholism. The researchers do not yet know how changes in the GABA gene increase a person's risk of alcoholism.
They've been looking a really long time for the gene that somehow causes or sort of, kind of has something to do with this......and I'm afraid everything you just wrote says they really haven't. The idea that they can connect some gene to a particular behavior seems to be one of those holy grails of materialists. Words like "associated" and "we don't know" are quite telling.
Where is a pair of scissors so I can cut it out of there...
"Jim, his brain is gone" Bones mcCoy
Dammit man everybody been humping around.
ERRYBODY.
Like man.
Moose-Knuckle
11-13-17, 18:13
If someone waits thirty years, twenty years or even a six months to report a Sexual Predator what does that say about them?
Worse yet, if they wait for others to make these same charges, what does that say?
If true charges like these must be punished severely, don't misunderstand my intent here, but really?
At what point does bringing these things to light only after others have taken the lead make you a less than honorable person?
If Hillary ever runs again or Chelsea runs I'll will come out with allegations they tag teamed me after slipping me a roofy back in the day at some event a month before the election.
Any Dem Pols hit yet? And, sure, they are all as pure as snow, that has been driven over by a coal truck.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/11/10/democrat-senator-menendez-is-on-trial-accused-of-sex-with-underage-hookers-and-nobody-cares/
That was a sarcastic remark due to the multiple sexual harassment allegations on O’Reilly
Ahhh gotcha.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-13-17, 22:30
I'm trying to figure out the whole 'casting couch' thing. The only way that I can make it rational is that the men are the gatekeepers and the reality is that there are all kinds of women that are capable of filling these roles- even the most demanding- let alone easier roles. So you have all of these girls that could fill the role, how exactly do you decide who to put into the role- they are all hot, can act and will work out on set- so you are the gate keeper- who couldn't hold a conversation with them in a bar for more than 5 seconds, and now they hang on your every word...
So these guys have something valuable and exclusive and the women are exclusive and bad behavior ensues. You eventually get to a quasi-official system that you have to play to be in the game. I hate the players and the game.
I'm trying to figure out the whole 'casting couch' thing. The only way that I can make it rational is that the men are the gatekeepers and the reality is that there are all kinds of women that are capable of filling these roles- even the most demanding- let alone easier roles. So you have all of these girls that could fill the role, how exactly do you decide who to put into the role- they are all hot, can act and will work out on set- so you are the gate keeper- who couldn't hold a conversation with them in a bar for more than 5 seconds, and now they hang on your every word...
So these guys have something valuable and exclusive and the women are exclusive and bad behavior ensues. You eventually get to a quasi-official system that you have to play to be in the game. I hate the players and the game.
Why do you assume that it’s only the men playing gate keeper? Sexist much [emoji2]
Producers have the $$. Male or female producer is irrelevant. Actor wants to make cash. Goods are exchanged for services rendered. Oldest profession in the world.
Weinstein just appears to have let it go to his head so to speak. Instead of understanding/remembering that for every actor that said no to this weeks freak, 1000 more will gladly double down on said freak. And do so willingly.
Why do you assume that it’s only the men playing gate keeper? Sexist much [emoji2]
Producers have the $$. Male or female producer is irrelevant. Actor wants to make cash. Goods are exchanged for services rendered. Oldest profession in the world.
Weinstein just appears to have let it go to his head so to speak. Instead of understanding/remembering that for every actor that said no to this weeks freak, 1000 more will gladly double down on said freak. And do so willingly.
DITTO !!!!!!
Implying fault with the victims for not coming forward sooner is absurd.
These were young girls in the 1970s molested by a DA who became a Judge. This country has had an abysmal record of standing up for victims of sexual abuse until recent years (and still does in many respects). These women have a lot to fear by coming forward. It's a risk. Now that they know it's safer it's no surprise they would come forward.
Look how many sexual assaults go unreported reported on the FBI yearly report. Women are afraid of being shamed, harassed and exposed. It's no wonder women wait so long.
Victim shaming to deflect accusations is disgusting.
If this was your daughter would you think she was looking for a payout?
Averageman
11-14-17, 01:51
Implying fault with the victims for not coming forward sooner is absurd.
These were young girls in the 1970s molested by a DA who became a Judge. This country has had an abysmal record of standing up for victims of sexual abuse until recent years (and still does in many respects). These women have a lot to fear by coming forward. It's a risk. Now that they know it's safer it's no surprise they would come forward.
Look how many sexual assaults go unreported reported on the FBI yearly report. Women are afraid of being shamed, harassed and exposed. It's no wonder women wait so long.
Victim shaming to deflect accusations is disgusting.
If this was your daughter would you think she was looking for a payout?
I agree with everything you said.
What I find interesting is that there are now "victims" coming forward making accusations from incidents that would have happened decades ago.
So if a Celebrity/Movie Producer,/Supervisor, sexually assaults you in 1995 and last month a nineteen year old Woman comes forward to accuse the person who assaulted you and you finally step up and tell your story, suddenly you are brave and beyond reproach?
No, your not.
If you were too afraid to come forward you owe that nineteen year old Woman a deep and sincere apology. You were weak and your actions allowed this to go on and on, so, yes you're integrity should be questioned.
Suddenly the left has decided to take this seriously and have these "Victims" come forward. Suddenly they are looking at them as heroes....
Well except for Women like Juanita Broadrick. Juanita never back downed, she has been disrespected, ignored and called a liar at every turn.
So maybe it's not about your accusations, or how long ago you claim the incident happened, but more about politics and whom you have accused?
Moose-Knuckle
11-14-17, 01:54
These were young girls in the 1970s molested by a DA who became a Judge.
And they just now come forward 40 years later when said Judge is running for a Senate seat against the DNC?
Riiiiiiiiiiiight . . . .
New tactic since they lost the White House, accuse any GOP opponent in a special election of sexual misconduct.
And yes Charlie Rose and Rush are correct, the Democrats condoning Bill's sexual assaults allowed this sort of thing to go on. Hillary wrote the book on shaming victims all the way back to her law practice where she bragged about getting a pedophile off the hook by painting the juvenile female victim as a seducing slut.
Suddenly the left has decided to take this seriously and have these "Victims" come forward. Suddenly they are looking at them as heroes....
DING DING DING!
Joe Biden teams with Lady Gaga against sexual exploitation, and Biden says won’t rule out run for POTUS 2020...
http://ew.com/music/2017/11/13/lady-gaga-joe-biden-sexual-assault-survivor-centers/
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/10/joe-biden-2020-trump-244757
Implying fault with the victims for not coming forward sooner is absurd.
These were young girls in the 1970s molested by a DA who became a Judge. This country has had an abysmal record of standing up for victims of sexual abuse until recent years (and still does in many respects). These women have a lot to fear by coming forward. It's a risk. Now that they know it's safer it's no surprise they would come forward.
Look how many sexual assaults go unreported reported on the FBI yearly report. Women are afraid of being shamed, harassed and exposed. It's no wonder women wait so long.
Victim shaming to deflect accusations is disgusting.
If this was your daughter would you think she was looking for a payout?
And they just now come forward 40 years later when said Judge is running for a Senate seat against the DNC?
Riiiiiiiiiiiight . . . .
New tactic since they lost the White House, accuse any GOP opponent in a special election of sexual misconduct.
And yes Charlie Rose and Rush are correct, the Democrats condoning Bill's sexual assaults allowed this sort of thing to go on. Hillary wrote the book on shaming victims all the way back to her law practice where she bragged about getting a pedophile off the hook by painting the juvenile female victim as a seducing slut.
DING DING DING!
Joe Biden teams with Lady Gaga against sexual exploitation, and Biden says won’t rule out run for POTUS 2020...
http://ew.com/music/2017/11/13/lady-gaga-joe-biden-sexual-assault-survivor-centers/
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/10/joe-biden-2020-trump-244757
Sorry foxtrotx1, but they're exactly right. These women didn't just wait till Moore ran for Senate, they specifically waited until he couldn't be replaced on the ballot. They're attempting to deny ballot access to the GOP for a race that has significant national implications. They're not just retaliating against Moore, they're retaliating against damn near half the country. Otherwise this would only be a local story, right? I already said they're probably right, but this REEKS of partisan political machinations. Therefore the motives of these women are rightly being called into question. Two wrongs don't make a right after all. :(
skywalkrNCSU
11-14-17, 11:23
So the thing you are upset about is the timing of the allegations and not that Moore is likely a pedophile who assualted numerous teens? Good thing politics don’t get in the way of having principles...
So the thing you are upset about is the timing of the allegations and not that Moore is likely a pedophile who assualted numerous teens? Good thing politics don’t get in the way of having principles...
You're too obtuse to see the duality of the subject, so don't start with me. :nono:
Averageman
11-14-17, 11:32
So the thing you are upset about is the timing of the allegations and not that Moore is likely a pedophile who assualted numerous teens? Good thing politics don’t get in the way of having principles...
Or could it be that "likely" isn't guilt or innocence, but convenance?
If suddenly we're going to hold our Leadership accountable, why didn't we do so in the primaries? Of course the whole issue of convince comes back to haunt us.
What is, is and the truth and our Justice System are there to validate these questions and provide answer when things like this come up.
Waiting untill the eleventh hour seems like some trickery and back room dealings might be taking place rather than due process.
skywalkrNCSU
11-14-17, 11:38
You're too obtuse to see the duality of the subject, so don't start with me. :nono:
lol k
You would have no problem if the same thing happened to a dem which just demonstrates your lack of principles. Yes it was a skeevy political tactic but that doesn’t change the fact that Moore is likely a pedo who should not be holding public office.
skywalkrNCSU
11-14-17, 11:40
Or could it be that "likely" isn't guilt or innocence, but convenance?
If suddenly we're going to hold our Leadership accountable, why didn't we do so in the primaries? Of course the whole issue of convince comes back to haunt us.
What is, is and the truth and our Justice System are there to validate these questions and provide answer when things like this come up.
Waiting untill the eleventh hour seems like some trickery and back room dealings might be taking place rather than due process.
What does it matter, it doesn’t change the fact that he is likely a pedo. I’m not willing to support someone who would likely prey on teenage girls for political reasons only. It’s sad that people are so blinded by politics that they would defend someone who likely assaulted teenage girls just because that person is on their “team”
Averageman
11-14-17, 11:53
What does it matter, it doesn’t change the fact that he is likely a pedo. I’m not willing to support someone who would likely prey on teenage girls for political reasons only. It’s sad that people are so blinded by politics that they would defend someone who likely assaulted teenage girls just because that person is on their “team”
I don't care what "team" he is on, let's face it, accusations are cheap. Their value even lessens when they are held to the eleventh hour.
Did anyone do any due diligence background investigation?
Why wait decades to make these accusations?
Hasn't he held high offices within the State of Alabama?
We're the accusers in any way threatens?
Is there any evidence of molestation or rape other than the accusations?
I seriously hope you are never accused of doing something, because truth or a falsehood, I'm sure you'll skip the whole trial and evidence portion and just report to prison, right?
skywalkrNCSU
11-14-17, 12:57
I don't care what "team" he is on, let's face it, accusations are cheap. Their value even lessens when they are held to the eleventh hour.
Did anyone do any due diligence background investigation?
Why wait decades to make these accusations?
Hasn't he held high offices within the State of Alabama?
We're the accusers in any way threatens?
Is there any evidence of molestation or rape other than the accusations?
I seriously hope you are never accused of doing something, because truth or a falsehood, I'm sure you'll skip the whole trial and evidence portion and just report to prison, right?
This is laughable since you clearly do not hold the same burden for people you disagree with politically. I can’t count the times I’ve seen old slick willy condemned based on accusations (which are likely true) or the number of times it has been said that Hillary should go to prison based off of allegations. Where were you on your soapbox for due process then? Oh right, only when it is convenient for you.
It’s pretty easy to believe allegations when they are against people you don’t like, a little harder when it is against the team you root for.
Averageman
11-14-17, 13:07
Not really.
Monica showed up with a semen stained dress. That dress should have been the slam dunk, but it wasn't.
Ask yourself why it wasn't?
Why hasn't Juanita Broadrick ever been successful ?
You've got a couple of choices, but "he said/she said " never worked without physical evidence and the courage to follow through.
We need that level of evidence and courage, innuendo and he said/she said isn't going to work.
ALLEGATIONS at a funny time
if he was a rapist she would have been raped
she got groped she says ? so yeah a older guy dating a younger girl wont be the first time in history especially in some parts of the country
mom is OK with it he parks the car makes out tries to feel her and she rejects and that is where it ends is kinda what it sounds like to me ?
if he was the predator I reckon things would have happened that were bad and the whole you know who I am blah blah for sure sounds like something out of a movie or msm script
cause we know msm never lies or embelishes things or heck even makes things up along with people doing the same for agenda
again if he was the bad guy she would have had a whole other memory in that car
Let’s not forget Tom Sizemore. Hopefully it wasn’t on BHD.
Averageman
11-14-17, 18:00
Let’s not forget Tom Sizemore. Hopefully it wasn’t on BHD.
It was on "Natural Killers" he was holding a young girl in his arms when he did the deed on camera.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/14/saving-private-ryan-star-tom-sizemore-accused-violating-11-year-old-girl-2003/
The following day, the casting director got a call from the girl’s mother, who told her that “when the girl put on her bathing suit, she told her mother that it reminded her of the day before, in an upsetting way — that the bathing suit’s contact against her felt like what happened when the man had put his finger inside her.”
they specifically waited until he couldn't be replaced on the ballot.
Never under estimate the Liberals ability to wage political war. It's a wonder they don't own the nation lock stock and barrel.
Moose-Knuckle
11-15-17, 03:13
To add to my Hillary and Chelsea accusation list I will also come out a month before any election that a Libertarian candidate actually has a snow ball's chance in hell of winning and accuse them of sexually assaulting me as well.
I've already got a title for my tell all book, "What Happened: Where the Bad Women and Legalization Zealots Touched Me".
With your screen name I'm really concerned what the life-like doll will look like that comes packaged with the book.
Moore's lawyer is confidence inspiring to say the least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=37&v=Fp0y-sL7-pk
Moore's lawyer is confidence inspiring to say the least.
It's a moot point. He's history.
It's a moot point. He's history.
Yes, the RINOs are doing more to destroy him than the MSM. They are still bitter that he beat their guy in AL. The RINOs would rather see a Democrat win- just like Hillary would have suited them more than Trump.
Yes, the RINOs are doing more to destroy him than the MSM. They are still bitter that he beat their guy in AL. The RINOs would rather see a Democrat win- just like Hillary would have suited them more than Trump.
McConnell was on the boob tube today saying the only way to salvage the seat is an 11th hour ballot write in campaign for Sessions to take back his own seat. Considering how badly we need him to NOT be the AG going forward, I'm inclined to agree. :(
Diamondback
11-15-17, 20:46
McConnell was on the boob tube today saying the only way to salvage the seat is an 11th hour ballot write in campaign for Sessions to take back his own seat. Considering how badly we need him to NOT be the AG going forward, I'm inclined to agree. :(
Shows ya what Bitch-boy Mitch with the Child Molester Eyes (who rumor has it enjoyed sharing little boys with Alleged Pederast Harry Reid) thinks of conservative stalwart Mo Brooks, too...
Yes, the RINOs are doing more to destroy him than the MSM. They are still bitter that he beat their guy in AL. The RINOs would rather see a Democrat win- just like Hillary would have suited them more than Trump.
If being a RINO means having good morals and standing up for victims of sexual abuse then I think the RINOs are the future of the GOP. There is hope after-all.
If being a RINO means having good morals and standing up for victims of sexual abuse then I think the RINOs are the future of the GOP. There is hope after-all.
Even if they used those that were sexually abused to dis-enfranchise a State of voters. It's one thing to side with what is right. It's another to take that information and use it on the political chess board.
Someone did this. Regardless of what Moore did.
Dems alone? RINOs and Dems? Trump hating RINOs? Whomever did this is simply another form of low life. If an arson burned down your house and called the cops because they saw a girl being raped, it doesn't make them a good guy.
If being a RINO means having good morals and standing up for victims of sexual abuse then I think the RINOs are the future of the GOP. There is hope after-all.
While I agree with the sentiment, it's still possible to support victims and simultaneously recognize despicable, underhanded political tactics. When you start maneuvering victimhood to victimize an entire voting block, you've crossed a line. :(
It is clear that this was done as a move in the political chess match. It is also clear, to me at least, that 30 some years ago this guy used his power/position to do some bad things. He gave them the ammo and they used it tactically. It sucks, but there it is.
It is clear that this was done as a move in the political chess match. It is also clear, to me at least, that 30 some years ago this guy used his power/position to do some bad things. He gave them the ammo and they used it tactically. It sucks, but there it is.
Considering the stakes, this is more of a strategic nuclear strike. The electoral system and voters lose more than the scumbag pol but hey, collateral damage on them is all good? Sorry, I cannot abide. :(
Moose-Knuckle
11-16-17, 02:57
With your screen name I'm really concerned what the life-like doll will look like that comes packaged with the book.
The publisher wants to go with some cogpiece but I've dug my heels in that the package on the doll will be anatomically correct.
For educational purposes.
If being a RINO means having good morals and standing up for victims of sexual abuse then I think the RINOs are the future of the GOP. There is hope after-all.
My point is that I doubt that they are doing this because they have good morals and want to see justice served. A purely political, tactical strike to disenfranchise the voters, even if it means handing the seat over to a Democrat because their man didn't win. I am not defending Moore in any way if he is in fact guilty of the accusations.
Averageman
11-16-17, 04:35
If being a RINO means having good morals and standing up for victims of sexual abuse then I think the RINOs are the future of the GOP. There is hope after-all.
Supposedly this stuff happened decades ago. I'm guessing that if it did happen, it managed to stay hidden then and no one ever brought it up.
Of course he was a Democrat until 1992, but suddenly it is an issue.
Evidence? Trial?
No hearsay is good enough, right?
The Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC aren't exactly impartial or a Court Room.
Sexually abusing underage children is a crime, those who commit it should have a day in court and be sentenced accordingly. Waiting a couple dozen years to bring this up essentially makes those who are accusing him guilty morally for not bringing it to light until now.
skywalkrNCSU
11-16-17, 08:17
Up to nine accusers now, his old time friends coming out and saying he liked young girls, and he was banned from a mall for trying to pick up underage girls. Sounds like a great guy to hitch your wagon to.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-16-17, 08:40
Up to nine accusers now, his old time friends coming out and saying he liked young girls, and he was banned from a mall for trying to pick up underage girls. Sounds like a great guy to hitch your wagon to.
Or hitch your wagon to people that kept this under wraps until your wagon is past the last place to pick up a spare wheel. Kind of a coin toss as to what is worse, overlooking his behavior or using these women as political landmines.
Or hitch your wagon to people that kept this under wraps until your wagon is past the last place to pick up a spare wheel. Kind of a coin toss as to what is worse, overlooking his behavior or using these women as political landmines.
I wouldn't say it's a coin toss but just this morning Comstock from VA is on TV and her story is... There are two members of Congress 1 / 1 Dem / Rep. She is asked who are they... "well I heard it from someone that knows the person it happened to and she doesn't want to be named nor name the persons.
That's really dangerous. So she is trying to do something, new legislation of course, that makes it easier to accuse these people.
This puts a whole new meaning on the word swamp. Now we have a battle for the control of Congress being fought on the anonymous battlefield and we don't even get to vote on the outcome. Talk about no representation. The control of power is being determined through the actions of, and reactions to, sexual deviants and the timing of their accusers.
skywalkrNCSU
11-16-17, 09:03
Or hitch your wagon to people that kept this under wraps until your wagon is past the last place to pick up a spare wheel. Kind of a coin toss as to what is worse, overlooking his behavior or using these women as political landmines.
I’m pretty sure the pedo is the worse person
Up to nine accusers now, his old time friends coming out and saying he liked young girls, and he was banned from a mall for trying to pick up underage girls. Sounds like a great guy to hitch your wagon to.
I've yet to see a single person hitch their wagon to Moore, have you? :confused:
skywalkrNCSU
11-16-17, 09:32
I've yet to see a single person hitch their wagon to Moore, have you? :confused:
Quite a few “conservatives” have actually, it’s pretty easy to find in the news. Not too shocking given that basically no one in politics actually has principles and is willing to defend a likely pedo so their team wins.
Quite a few “conservatives” have actually, it’s pretty easy to find in the news. Not too shocking given that basically no one in politics actually has principles and is willing to defend a likely pedo so their team wins.
So I Googled it and apparently there are some. Particularly disturbing is the AL State Auditor using Mary & Joseph to defend pedophilia. That dude needs to lose his job. For all the people saying Hannity defends Moore, it was specifically Hannity's on air questioning of Moore that led to his support eroding fast. Moore's answers to Hannity were reminiscent of Bill Clinton's early responses on the Lewinski affair.
skywalkrNCSU
11-16-17, 10:18
So I Googled it and apparently there are some. Particularly disturbing is the AL State Auditor using Mary & Joseph to defend pedophilia. That dude needs to lose his job. For all the people saying Hannity defends Moore, it was specifically Hannity's on air questioning of Moore that led to his support eroding fast. Moore's answers to Hannity were reminiscent of Bill Clinton's early responses on the Lewinski affair.
I posted a times article a few pages back about that State Auditor. I thought it was an onion headline when I saw it.
I posted a times article a few pages back about that State Auditor. I thought it was an onion headline when I saw it.
To be fair, there are now some on the left who are reevaluating their previous defense of sexual predator Bill Clinton. Of course some on the left are still defending him and reinforcing your statement that no one in politics has principles.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%E2%80%98what-about-bill%E2%80%99-sexual-misconduct-debate-revives-questions-about-clinton/ar-BBF1tmr?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
platoonDaddy
11-16-17, 10:24
Any bets on how the drive-bys will cover this story?
KABC Radio Morning Show Co-Host Says Senator Al Franken Groped Her ON 2006 USO Tour Posted on November 16, 2017
http://www.wmal.com/2017/11/16/kabc-radio-morning-show-co-host-says-senator-al-franken-groped-her-on-2006-uso-tour/
Any bets on how the drive-bys will cover this story?
KABC Radio Morning Show Co-Host Says Senator Al Franken Groped Her ON 2006 USO Tour Posted on November 16, 2017
http://www.wmal.com/2017/11/16/kabc-radio-morning-show-co-host-says-senator-al-franken-groped-her-on-2006-uso-tour/
Yeah, I saw the pic. Inappropriate? Yes. Groping? Hardly. I think we devalue actual victims when we push the boundaries that far. :(
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/16/16/466B704000000578-5089713-image-a-13_1510848692068.jpg
Edit: I just read what she wrote about him kissing her against her will and I agree, it was sexual harassment. What a dirtbag.
"He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth," she wrote.
"I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time."
She said she felt disgusted and violated. She added that she didn't tell anyone what happened at the time, but she was "angry."
platoonDaddy
11-16-17, 10:39
Yeah, I saw the pic. Inappropriate? Yes. Groping? Hardly. I think we devalue actual victims when we push the boundaries that far. :(
If that isn't enough, read on:
On the day of the show Franken and I were alone backstage going over our lines one last time. He said to me, “We need to rehearse the kiss.” I laughed and ignored him. Then he said it again. I said something like, ‘Relax Al, this isn’t SNL…we don’t need to rehearse the kiss.’
He continued to insist, and I was beginning to get uncomfortable.
He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.
Averageman
11-16-17, 10:47
Franken, do you really think this will go anywhere?
Even if he didn't touch her breasts, that photo would be enough that some offense should be taken.
Clearly when you smile and take a photo like that you have no respect for the person.
But really, these issues only effect conservative politicians, the left has been rolling like this for years. Does anyone here really think that had Moore not switched from Democrat to Republican that this would even be an issue?
skywalkrNCSU
11-16-17, 10:55
To be fair, there are now some on the left who are reevaluating their previous defense of sexual predator Bill Clinton. Of course some on the left are still defending him and reinforcing your statement that no one in politics has principles.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%E2%80%98what-about-bill%E2%80%99-sexual-misconduct-debate-revives-questions-about-clinton/ar-BBF1tmr?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
I love watching the left trip all over themselves defending slick willy and that’s why I don’t want to see the right go down that path
Franken, do you really think this will go anywhere?
Even if he didn't touch her breasts, that photo would be enough that some offense should be taken.
Clearly when you smile and take a photo like that you have no respect for the person.
But really, these issues only effect conservative politicians, the left has been rolling like this for years. Does anyone here really think that had Moore not switched from Democrat to Republican that this would even be an issue?
By the standard everyone seems to be seeking, Franken should resign. Not for the obviously staged body armor grab, but for forcing this same woman into an unwanted French kiss.
I will say one thing though. This avalanche of sexual misconduct reporting can and most likely will ultimately lead someone to make a false claim. When it's exposed, that will undermine all the legitimate claimants deeply. History has repeatedly taught us that anything done to excess can have negative consequences and this "new normal" is no different. :(
In that photo above. That girl is asleep and she had prior warned him to never do anything like that to her again.. re -the kiss. ... and made sure she was never alone with him again. So he did that as a gag she would see upon returning home.
Averageman
11-16-17, 11:53
In that photo above. That girl is asleep and she had prior warned him to never do anything like that to her again.. re -the kiss. ... and made sure she was never alone with him again. So he did that as a gag she would see upon returning home.
And if she was my significant other, as a gag I would put my foot in his backside.
He was taunting her, perhaps he doesn't understand that and needs some behavior modifications?
I stand corrected, Franken's victim is a nude model turned radio host, not a service member. Of course that has no bearing on the allegations whatsoever. Just wanted to correct the record.
Averageman
11-16-17, 12:07
Franken loves to tell you he is operating from the morale high ground and yet we have photographic evidence here that he has questionable morals that he operates with.
From the Party that's for Women's rights of course.
More relevant than ever.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnaVoTfkqa8
More relevant than ever.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnaVoTfkqa8
Lincoln Park, Hollywood, doesn't matter. Antoine knew the score before it was all the rage...
Franken ! sorry
so by the left standards its all OK now and quit being the racist womenizing scum conservative you are ! you are the problem
the thinking of course is
was meant as fun cause hey I had fun fondling her when she was asleep that is perfectly acceptable by left standards! I am the victim here just cause I did this to a women who said NO and well the other time she was asleep how dare you try to make me look bad you racist womenziing pig conservative
Considering the stakes, this is more of a strategic nuclear strike. The electoral system and voters lose more than the scumbag pol but hey, collateral damage on them is all good? Sorry, I cannot abide. :(
I don't see how you can change this incident.
We can go back and look a dirty deeds done dirt cheap in past elections and surmise how the world would different IF.
For example, I firmly believe that GWB would never have been President if not for the infamous South Carolina Phone Poll that devastated the McCain candidacy. Had that not have occurred, I think the last 17 years would have been dramatically different.
But the reality is we'll never know.
Nothing can undo what has been done in this case.
The publisher wants to go with some cogpiece but I've dug my heels in that the package on the doll will be anatomically correct.
For educational purposes.
Cod piece, because it covers the trouser trout.
Will the doll talk?
If so will it use the George Constanza 'shrinkage' sound bite from Seinfeld?
I don't see how you can change this incident.
We can go back and look a dirty deeds done dirt cheap in past elections and surmise how the world would different IF.
For example, I firmly believe that GWB would never have been President if not for the infamous South Carolina Phone Poll that devastated the McCain candidacy. Had that not have occurred, I think the last 17 years would have been dramatically different.
But the reality is we'll never know.
Nothing can undo what has been done in this case.
What's that old political saw? "I don't need to prove he had sex with animals, I just need him on record denying he had sex with animals." :(
Diamondback
11-16-17, 16:08
For example, I firmly believe that GWB would never have been President if not for the infamous South Carolina Phone Poll that devastated the McCain candidacy. Had that not have occurred, I think the last 17 years would have been dramatically different.
You're right--McStain is no friend of ours, and I firmly believe That Damn Ban would have been retained and probably expanded--with the result of a Blue Team Executive turnover in '04 instead of '08, possibly Legislative in '02. And with his statist tendencies the Patriot Act probably woulda been a lot more intrusive...
Diamondback
11-16-17, 16:10
What's that old political saw? "I don't need to prove he had sex with animals, I just need him on record denying he had sex with animals." :(
OK, so somebody needs to start calling McConnell about his creepy-ass bugged-out child-molester-ish-looking eyes to make him deny that he was sharing little boys with Rumored Pederast Harry Reid...
Crooked, perverted politicians and actors. None of this is new- read some Mark Twain. He had particular disdain for politicians and it is reflected in a lot of his short stories. And prior to Hollywood and the big screen actors were considered untrustworthy, second class citizens.
Averageman
11-16-17, 18:35
The desired end result of all of this drama is the impeachment of Trump. Not impeachment "lite" like Bill got but the whole enchilada.
They really don't give a damn at this point it's scorched earth, they do not want to face eight years of "Bigly" and then four years of Pense, "Bigly" Jr. Everything they stand for is diametrically opposed to what goes on in the swamp.
They will burn it all down rather than be found out to be what they really are.
If Weinstien's money and continued donations couldn't protect him, no one is safe.
like terrorists that blow up their own children
politicians and actors, for the most part, are willing to sacrifice a few of their own
the ramp up to get rid of way more republicans will be just around the corner with the see we got rid of one of ours now you have to get rid of all of yours kinda scenario
What's that old political saw? "I don't need to prove he had sex with animals, I just need him on record denying he had sex with animals." :(
So, kinda like 'have you quit beating your wife?'
Several things about Franken.
If they kick him out, they stick another Dem in his place and that one might have a brain.
If they kick him out he will have more time to write for SNL, which probably does more damage to the Right than any opponent.
It might be best to leave him in place and simply constantly remind everyone who he is, with those photos, memes and few well placed jokes.
I mean the girl is saying it's water under the bridge now. I say leave him in as a poster child.
Diamondback
11-16-17, 22:44
Several things about Franken.
If they kick him out, they stick another Dem in his place and that one might have a brain.
If they kick him out he will have more time to write for SNL, which probably does more damage to the Right than any opponent.
It might be best to leave him in place and simply constantly remind everyone who he is, with those photos, memes and few well placed jokes.
I mean the girl is saying it's water under the bridge now. I say leave him in as a poster child.
Most likely candidate is their Lt Gov, a Klobuchar clone... on the one hand I see your logic, but on the other we need to make an example of somebody or better yet several somebodies--remember "he sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue"?
You know what?
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Moose-Knuckle
11-17-17, 05:23
Cod piece, because it covers the trouser trout.
Damn it, there I go again confusing my cods and cogs.
Will the doll talk?
Yes, it will have several recordings; "No means NO!", "Hey don't touch me there!", and "You want to put that cigar where and you want me to do what on that newspaper?!"
If so will it use the George Constanza 'shrinkage' sound bite from Seinfeld?
:lol:
Moose-Knuckle
11-17-17, 05:24
Any bets on how the drive-bys will cover this story?
KABC Radio Morning Show Co-Host Says Senator Al Franken Groped Her ON 2006 USO Tour Posted on November 16, 2017
http://www.wmal.com/2017/11/16/kabc-radio-morning-show-co-host-says-senator-al-franken-groped-her-on-2006-uso-tour/
And the hits just keep rolling!
Oh how so very DELISH . . .
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^^^^^^^That's frickin hilarious, because it's true!
Averageman
11-17-17, 10:49
The reality is that Moore won't get a fair trial regardless, he's been found guilty already.
The best end result is in the hands of the Governor of Alabama at this point.
I predict the next step will be to march out a dozen women who will accuse the POTUS from as far back as the 1970s'
^^^^ photo ... lol
Another woman has come forward about Freaky Franken. I think she's a broadcaster from the SF area. So another high profile.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/17/second-woman-comes-forward-accuse-al-franken-harassment/
Oh, and the media has now started to report on Bob Menendez now that he got a hung jury.
I wonder if SNL will do any skits on Franken. Dan Akroid just said they are the defacto political satire show. They could have a field day with him and his previous characters on the show. It would be a cakewalk. Satire... more like politically sensationalized hate speech.
There is still one person in Hollywood/Politics/"Comedy" that I can't believe no one has come forward about. IMO the biggest sleezeball in the entire crew.
Averageman
11-17-17, 14:22
Okay, Ron Jeremy has been alledgedly "groped' a woman while signing her breast at a adult movie award ceremony.
She stood in lined, paid a fee for his autograph and now that somehow became a grope.
Between this and a recent article about how Women should never marry down, I'm getting a bit confused. Never marry a guy that makes less money or has a lower education level because he will hold you back being the summary of the article confused me.
I think the entire Women's equality movement has become detailed. It has become fine to not report sexual assault for decades,or until the perpetrator runs for political office and always try and "Marry Up" seems to be the new theme.
Moose-Knuckle
11-17-17, 18:22
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Okay I'm in stitches! :lol:
I was wondering when someone would get around to "Creepy Joe".
Here is a complication I posted in another thread sometime ago but it applies here since he is mulling a presidential run.
Creepy Joe . . .
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To be fair, there are now some on the left who are reevaluating their previous defense of sexual predator Bill Clinton. Of course some on the left are still defending him and reinforcing your statement that no one in politics has principles.
Getting out ahead of it is not "reevaluating", it's cold hard politics. Now the issue is "old news" and "we admitted mistakes were made" in time for the next election. It's also a possible presidential candidate and/or the DNC putting a stake in H running again.
skywalkrNCSU
11-18-17, 10:39
http://www.avclub.com/lena-dunham-defends-girls-writer-accused-of-sexual-assa-1820565531
Shocking to see hypocrisy from this pig....
Averageman
11-18-17, 19:41
Maureen Does just wrote an article that lays the blame initially on the "feelings of helplessness" due to Trump (an accused sexual predator) being elected over Hillary Clinton.
It goes on to say that Bill should have resigned and used his State and POTUS position to both procure and keep unwilling victims silent.
What the article fails to mention is the extreme things Hillary did to help Bill cover these activities and how she had openly fought to both silence and discredit those women.
If you're not smelling the coffee that's brewing taking out Trump is the long game in all of this.
Diamondback
11-18-17, 19:51
What the article fails to mention is the extreme things Hillary did to help Bill cover these activities and how she had openly fought to both silence and discredit those women.
If you're not smelling the coffee that's brewing taking out Trump is the long game in all of this.
Twofer: Both Trump, and Hillary by proxy via Bill.
Averageman
11-18-17, 19:58
However true it may be that they are ridding themselves of the Clinton's they don't seem willing yet to bring Hillary in to the fold as Bills savior by bringing no end of hell down on these women to destroy them.
I think they may be done with Hillary, but they are saving her (this is laughable) integrity by not outing her as being a part of the problem that allowed this to go on for decades.
If I were on "Team Trump" I would make ever conceivable effort to have him take a Pense like approach and never be alone with a woman that is not his wife. I do not believe the efforts they are willing to put forth would not allow them to not perjure themselves to bring charges against Trump.
The revisit of Clinton is two simple things.
1. Current acknowledgement. Can't get caught not saying 'something'
2. We got it wrong with Clinton 'wink wink'..... but we're going to demand a pound of flesh in 2020 with Trump. We are going to make amends by ridding the White House of Trump.
Averageman
11-18-17, 21:46
They aren't going to wait for 2020.
Making such charges and getting a special investigation started will begin I would guess in the first quarter of next year.
It's just like "The Russians stole the election." it only has to have a single shade of grey to enable them to hamstring and overshadow any accomplishments.
Moose-Knuckle
11-19-17, 03:23
Soon after the Harvey Weinstien scandal broke back in October Rush Limbaugh called it . . .
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There’s An Elephant In Harvey Weinstein’s Hotel Room
https://www.buzzfeed.com/bimadewunmi/lets-talk-about-black-women-in-hollywood-and-harvey?utm_term=.jb6d358xp#.odgJjL5MO
So if you DON'T sexually harass or sexually assault Black women then you are a racist. :suicide:
The Democrats will come up with lie, after lie about Trump. All repeated 24/7 by their accomplice, the MEDIA. A lot of people believe the media, so it gets traction. The Russia narrative failed, so now it is sexual harassment. They are certainly setting up for it. When the DNC disposes of the Clintons it will start in earnest.
They aren't going to wait for 2020.
Well for Trump himself they will have to wait for 2020 because that's when the election is. But yes, it's actually happening now for 2018 as every Republican candidate for anything in 2018 effectively 'is' Trump to the Dems. Along with being open minded and all inclusive. Liberals are also very efficient... so every Republican -is- Trump.
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