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Anyone have any info on whether the rumored factory 20 round mags for the P30/ VP9 are still going to come to fruition?
I've not heard any rumors about an OEM 20 round mag from HK. That being said, I've had great luck with the Taylor Freelance +5s. Unfortunately, after $35 for a P30 mag +$35 for an extension (spring included) you're $70 into a 20 round mag.
Yea, I have a Taylor Freelance +5, a HK parts.net +5, and an XTech Tactical +5 and you're right, it's getting pricey. The rumors swirled around the time of the release of the VP9sk and Tactical models. The photos that were released all said "15/20 round mag" under the 'other specifications' section. Hopefully, they'll show up at shot show.
I've not heard any rumors about an OEM 20 round mag from HK.
http://cenrex.pl/images/oferta/sprzet/magazynek-20.jpg
Source: http://cenrex.pl/index.php/aktualnosci/83-sfp9-iwa
http://cenrex.pl/images/oferta/sprzet/magazynek-20.jpg
Source: http://cenrex.pl/index.php/aktualnosci/83-sfp9-iwa
Any idea when/if these will be available to us?
WickedWillis
10-23-17, 13:12
Yea, I have a Taylor Freelance +5, a HK parts.net +5, and an XTech Tactical +5 and you're right, it's getting pricey. The rumors swirled around the time of the release of the VP9sk and Tactical models. The photos that were released all said "15/20 round mag" under the 'other specifications' section. Hopefully, they'll show up at shot show.
So what is your overall experience with the TF +5's? I have been interested in picking up a few.
I have been waiting for these factory ones as well, but I thought we would see them by now.
So what is your overall experience with the TF +5's? I have been interested in picking up a few.
I have been waiting for these factory ones as well, but I thought we would see them by now.
The TF +5's have worked flawlessly (one is mine, the other was borrowed from a friend). I've run them for about 2 years and I've ejected/dropped them on concrete and metal 'diamond plate' style floors - they still run like champs. Admittedly, I'm not abusing them like I would if they were cheaper, but I'm definitely going to purchase a few more if I can't get OEMs. Remember to include the spring kit in your order for them, I didn't because I was hurrying and had to go back and order it later. Some people claim they actually hold 21 rounds but I only load them to 20.
The HKparts +5s are solid as well.
Montrala, please tell me that doesn't say 69 euro for an OEM.
I believe it says €69 and 19% tax is included. I think it's a 'proposed' price.
sundance435
10-23-17, 19:27
I've only seen 1 "regular" gun shop (in Lisbon) during my travels around Europe over the last decade. I've also been in a very high-end shop (Merkel being the cheapest firearm in the place) in London. I'd like to find a better example just to see what they have.
HK has never been big on importing regular capacity mags - it's not exactly easy to get real MP, UMP, and G36 mags.
Montrala, please tell me that doesn't say 69 euro for an OEM.
It does. 69 euro including 19% VAT (sales tax). But price for 15rd magazine in Germany is 59 euro, so it is just 10 euro markup here. Much better than paying $40 for TF basepad plus spring alone (plus cost of 15rd mag).
Any idea when/if these will be available to us?
Nifty.
So what is your overall experience with the TF +5's? I have been interested in picking up a few.
I have been waiting for these factory ones as well, but I thought we would see them by now.
I've got thousands of rounds through a couple different mags with TF base plates... they run great.
Defaultmp3
11-25-18, 16:19
They're finally here: https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Magazines/VP9-P30-20rd-Magazine/p/50239330
Default, much thanks for the heads up! Ordered one. Can't wait to put it through it's paces.
Defaultmp3
11-25-18, 21:31
The plastic at the bottom is apparently just a sleeve, so it's a full 20 round metal tube... which means I can now make ~170mm magazines, if I throw a +5 extension on these, assuming I can find the proper springs, which I suspect the Taylor Freelance +10 M&P springs will work for. 25 rounders for USPSA is definitely gonna be fun, and might even work as a reload on the war belt or for EDC.
The plastic at the bottom is apparently just a sleeve, so it's a full 20 round metal tube... which means I can now make ~170mm magazines
Remember that this sleeve works as magazine insertion limiter. Without it you can over-insert magazine when doing slide lock changes. This can lead to bend ejector (if you are strong enough) as ejector will work as magazine stop.
BTW If you will dump original followers (and slide lock feature) you can try Grams STI/SV followers and springs (you must cut out slide lock tab in Grams follower to let it pass HK slide lock lever). This will give you +2/3 rounds (depending on some other minor factors).
BTW If you will dump original followers (and slide lock feature) you can try Grams STI/SV followers and springs (you must cut out slide lock tab in Grams follower to let it pass HK slide lock lever). This will give you +2/3 rounds (depending on some other minor factors).
If either of you end up going this route, please share the results/ how to.
Also, any new youtube vids coming, Montrala?
20% sales tax? **** my life. I couldn't imagine paying a 20% mark-up on a relatively inexpensive item like these mags, let alone something like Kahles or S&B glass at $2-4k.
Also, any new youtube vids coming, Montrala?
I'm afraid not sooner than spring next year. My financial situation in last years is difficult, to put it mildly. Thanks to my sponsors I have rifle, pistol, shotgun, scope and some ammo to use and can shoot at all (big kudos to them and some HKPro guys who supported me with cash donations to allow my come back to shooting) but still I can afford 3-4 matches a year tops.
20% sales tax? **** my life.
23% in Poland. 25% in Sweden. Welcome to European Union of Socialist Republics.
Ordered some of these mags direct from HK. Here's a couple quick pictures.
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They are all steel body mags. Appears to be the same baseplate and follower as the normal 15 round mags. There is a plastic sleeve to prevent over inserting. They loaded up with 20 rounds without issue. I have not shot them yet.
Compared to the HKparts +5 they are a bit bigger but not too much.
I swapped out the factory follower and spring for the Grams set that came with my Taylor Freelance +5 extension. The mag will now hold 22 rounds but it feels like it's about to burst. It will seat with a closed slide, but I think I'll leave it at 21. I'm not sure when I'll be able to get to the range to test function, but will report back when I do.
Defaultmp3
12-04-18, 19:57
I made some 170mm mags for my P30LS. We'll see how they actually run this weekend at USPSA.
https://i.imgur.com/d7V7XCW.jpg
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-23-18, 19:30
My buddy Dan got a few of these. They ran great. Also interesting is this pic of them with a CZ and Sig 21 rounders which are both shorter. H&K always engineers in a ton of extra room in their mags which, frankly, means they will probably last forever.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4875/44622431770_0cf6d34572_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2aZ8CkU)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2aZ8CkU) by stoiclawyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52942291@N00/), on Flickr
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I'm hoping prices come down on them a bit, and then I'd like to eventually grab four or five of these.
I CC a VP9SK and these are probably too bulky for everyday carry, even as a reload, but they'd be great in my full-size VP9 that I keep for HD duty.
Nra-Life-Member
12-25-18, 16:00
Picked up a few over Thanksgiving on sale. These function 100%. Used them in my 2000SK and P30 these are carry in my SUV for backup mags.
https://www.ableammo.com/catalog/heckler-koch-p30vp9-9mm-round-black-magazine-50239330-p-158618.html
Current cheapest price i found
$44 at Euro Optic
https://www.eurooptic.com/HK-P30-VP9-9mm-20rd-magazine-MPN-5023933.aspx?LineItemId=3c91c66a-3ca9-4e80-9337-44d8e2b3b1ce
I almost bought a couple but I have other stuff I need to be devoting funds to at the moment, so I backed out of the checkout process at the last minute.
I'll get some eventually.
kihnspiracy
01-04-19, 22:58
I paid $39 each plus shipping for 3 of them from hkspecialists.com. They work really well. I will probably buy a few more.
I'm really digging these new mags. It's about time we have a factory 20 round mag option from HK. So far the prices available for them have been decent as well.
I only have around 100 rounds through two of them right now, but so far they have been reliable. I doubt their will be any issues being factory mags.
Doesn't hurt that they look decent too. (Excuse the cellphone pics).
https://i.imgur.com/O5OJ4b6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BrKQUA6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ucn8qST.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZysDRwY.jpg
Ok, so after 3 range trips the factory 20 rounders were inconsistent with mag ejection (surprising) and locking back after the last round when using the Grams spring and follower. Totally random. 4 different shooters of varying skill level (including myself) but I made sure all users were not riding the slide lock.
Changed back to factory spring and follower and function returned to 100%. YMMV.
locking back after the last round when using the Grams spring and follower.
My experience is that one can't count on reliable lock back with Gram followers, that is why I recommend to cut out slide lock engagement tab.
My experience is that one can't count on reliable lock back with Gram followers, that is why I recommend to cut out slide lock engagement tab.
Yea, I should have followed your advice from the get-go, but my curiosity got the best of me. I'll cut the tab and hit the range next week with it.
There would be no fun in blindly following what others say ;)
However, what I found out is that tab need to cut out in way that prevents follower from dragging on slide lock lever when releasing magazine.
Defaultmp3
05-10-21, 11:35
15 round to 17 round conversion kit: https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Handgun-Accessories/VP9-P30-15rd-to-17rd-Magazine-conversion-kit/p/50247185
Use HK15 for free shipping and 15% off.
Speaking with H&K CS, there are no plans to sell the follower by themselves, which is quite disappointing for me, since all my mags already have extensions and have no need of anything else but the follower.
I've tried to figure out why HK initially spec'd 15 rounds for the duty sized VP9. Reliability? The G17 and M&P9 carry 17 rounds no problem. Maybe HK is worried about long-term mag spring durability? Does anybody know?
I've tried to figure out why HK initially spec'd 15 rounds for the duty sized VP9. Reliability? The G17 and M&P9 carry 17 rounds no problem. Maybe HK is worried about long-term mag spring durability? Does anybody know?
I wondered the same thing. I really don't like my VP9 mags. I've had two of them drop on concrete and go into pieces. I think the xtech mags corrrected the issue by having a different design in the baseplate detent.
Not too unusual though, but it's not something i've ever seen from an M&P or glock mag. Better than the 226 mag i've seen that had the detent shear off upon dropping.
Defaultmp3
05-12-21, 10:19
I've tried to figure out why HK initially spec'd 15 rounds for the duty sized VP9. Reliability? The G17 and M&P9 carry 17 rounds no problem. Maybe HK is worried about long-term mag spring durability? Does anybody know?H&Ks have always had lower magazine capacities traditionally. This is due in turn has given their magazines legendary reliability and longevity, as the spring is not pushed to its limit as much. Yes, the Glock and M&P mags are very reliable and last awhile... but the VP9/P30 mags are far more so. There's actually been folks wondering if the new 17 round mags would negatively impact reliability and longevity, at the expense of trying to keep up on capacity.
Same thing with the 20 round mags from H&K, it is noticeably longer than other magazines that hold 20.
Whatever y'all do , don't waste your money on the XTech Tactical aftermarket ones. Awful.
15 round to 17 round conversion kit: https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Handgun-Accessories/VP9-P30-15rd-to-17rd-Magazine-conversion-kit/p/50247185
Use HK15 for free shipping and 15% off.
Speaking with H&K CS, there are no plans to sell the follower by themselves, which is quite disappointing for me, since all my mags already have extensions and have no need of anything else but the follower.
Snagged two of these and they came in today. Loaded up to 17 no problem, but I won't be hitting the range for a few weeks to test function. Thanks for the heads up!
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