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Just a question, Has anyone given a thought to giving up striker fired guns and going back to Double single or single action guns.
Without flaming striker triggers, I've had problems with all of them. One gun I owned 3 of had problems with all and all 3 had different triggers when they should have had close to the same.
Doubles and single triggers ( in the better guns ) are all better than the strikers I've owned and the double and single triggers can be made exceptional.
When you have owned striker fired guns for some time you forget how good the double/single triggers are until you shoot them again.
I think the striker triggers are getting much better now and maybe they will be better than anything in the future but for now they aren't as good.
Just my .02
Drifting Fate
10-29-17, 13:52
Funny you ask. I stared with DA/SA's in the late 80's, went to 1911's, then P35's, then Glocks, then bounced between Glocks and 1911's and P35's, back to Glocks, (mostly, always had a smattering of other designs and revolvers in there), and recently decided I just wanted a better trigger than striker fired guns offer so I'm back decades later to mixing in DA/SA's, mostly Beretta 92's, but have a PX4 CC I'm experimenting with (and the ever present revolvers).
I know, it goes against the "man with one gun" principle, but I personally want to be at least proficient with different weapons systems and just can't find the warm fuzzies for the Glock though I've tried for years and have owned many, still do, still carry a 19 often, but the search remains open for the preferred system. I have high hopes for the PX4 CC, but until then am enjoying a P226 SAO Legion but it's big.
Just a question, Has anyone given a thought to giving up striker fired guns and going back to Double single or single action guns.
Without flaming striker triggers, I've had problems with all of them. One gun I owned 3 of had problems with all and all 3 had different triggers when they should have had close to the same.
Doubles and single triggers ( in the better guns ) are all better than the strikers I've owned and the double and single triggers can be made exceptional.
When you have owned striker fired guns for some time you forget how good the double/single triggers are until you shoot them again.
I think the striker triggers are getting much better now and maybe they will be better than anything in the future but for now they aren't as good.
Just my .02
No, I started off with Da/sa and then SAO.
I don’t see myself ever going back. (Does not pertain to range-only/fun guns).
How much dry fire and live fire have you done with each trigger?
What did your 25yd groups look like?
How is the trigger holding you back?
I don't see myself going back to a DA/SA. I used to carry a Sig and it was ok, but I do better with a Glock.
Interesting topic. I went shooting and decided to bring my 226 and my 5904 with me. And....it was just shooting as normal. On SA the triggers were obviously not spongey and since I was on "me" time; didnt bother with DA at all.
Being a Striker isnt why Glock is my Go To. Its because I am a little lazy. Honestly, the aforementioned pistols were more fun and entertaining but then you have to clean and oil them which is a drag.
Like I'll run a Glock ragged, but my other stuff I do PM on.
I wouldnt consciously "go back" as it is all the same fundamentals but Glock is just an easy button. Plus I dont run defensive loads in my leisure guns. Just standard 115 gr.
More fun, more work.
But like otherwise for a utilitarian use, Glock.
The Easy Button Life.
SquarePizza
10-29-17, 17:33
I was born a bred a revolver guy, I prefer a long "heavy" trigger pull that has zero slack. I want to feel trigger weight from the moment I put pressure on the trigger until it releases the hammer.
Therefore, I would LOVE to shoot a DAO semi-auto.
But sadly I own 2 glocks and a Sig P6. And I'm not sure whose trigger I hate more. I even put the NY1 and - connector in my G26, but it still has massive slack that I hate. So I can say that I have never found a semi auto trigger that I actually enjoy to shoot.
Squarepizza, you need a Pizza gun! ��
Find a 92D, I bet you love it.
This thread reminds me to go lube my Glocks. I've dehumidifiers in my safes but they don't guarantee against rust. G43 still gets some use but otherwise it is all DA/SA for me.
I’m transitioning to Da/sa, currently. Say what you will, but I like double action triggers. My poi is tighter to my poa in DA, strangely enough. The hammer makes me feel warm and fuzzy during reholstering. I like to do a lot of dry fire with DA guns, also. Having to rack a striker gun for each dry iteration is bit of a minor turn off.
So I’m giving DA/SA a go, experimentally. I’m liking it so far. I’ll be expanding my collection of sizes with similar feels shortly. The goal is to have Beretta 85, PX4, Wilson 92 compact, m9A3. Maybe find a pocket sized gun. I’m open to recommendations for that.
The OP seems to think readers own/shoot all striker fired handguns or all DA/SA or all single action handguns. I own and shoot all three and like all three so there is no "going back" to anything. I also own and shoot bolt action rifles, autoloading rifles and lever action rifles. Variety is a good thing.
And what does the OP mean by "better" triggers in the double action or single action guns? Lighter or smoother or what? I would invite him/her to try the triggers of my Walther PPQs and see the verdict.
Most all of the autoloading handguns I've bought in the last 10 years have been striker fired ones, along with several revolvers. Especially in the last few years there have been some most excellent striker handguns released such as the PPQ, VP, CZ 10 and others. As far as "trouble" with my striker fired handguns goes, the only ones that have given me any trouble were two Gen 4 Glock 19s which gave me severe (at least 6-8 hot empties per magazine) brass to face issues until I found a fix. But they still fed, fired and ejected every round.
Over the years and many dozens of handguns I've only had six handguns that gave me trouble. All were single action. Five were Colt 1911s in the 80's and early 90's. All were crap that wouldn't feed or eject properly regardless of the brand, bullet weight or power level of the ammo. One was a high end .22 target model made by High Standard. Back to the factory with the High Standard and they couldn't fix it.
I currently own 16 striker fired handguns. All are excellent. All have triggers that range from serviceable (Glocks) to excellent (PPQs & VP9s) and most in between are very good. Yes, my match grade Kimber 1911 is a little better but it's also heavy as a brick and totally unsuited for carry use by me. I've owned about a dozen other striker handguns that I sold or traded. None were unreliable or had poor triggers.
The wonderful thing about living in the time that we do and in the USA is that we have a great variety of handguns of all action types, brands, and sizes to choose from. And polymer framed striker fired handguns are very popular because they are affordable and they work well.
OP, sorry that you have had trouble with strikers. That is not the norm for these type handguns.
Here is an old thread on striker vs DA/SA pistols, with opinions from people and SME's looking at it from about every angle. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?108275-Will-striker-fired-pistols-obsolete-the-traditional-type-actions-for-self-defense
The OP seems to think readers own/shoot all striker fired handguns or all DA/SA or all single action handguns. I own and shoot all three and like all three so there is no "going back" to anything. I also own and shoot bolt action rifles, autoloading rifles and lever action rifles. Variety is a good thing.
And what does the OP mean by "better" triggers in the double action or single action guns? Lighter or smoother or what? I would invite him/her to try the triggers of my Walther PPQs and see the verdict.
Most all of the autoloading handguns I've bought in the last 10 years have been striker fired ones, along with several revolvers. Especially in the last few years there have been some most excellent striker handguns released such as the PPQ, VP, CZ 10 and others. As far as "trouble" with my striker fired handguns goes, the only ones that have given me any trouble were two Gen 4 Glock 19s which gave me severe (at least 6-8 hot empties per magazine) brass to face issues until I found a fix. But they still fed, fired and ejected every round.
Over the years and many dozens of handguns I've only had six handguns that gave me trouble. All were single action. Five were Colt 1911s in the 80's and early 90's. All were crap that wouldn't feed or eject properly regardless of the brand, bullet weight or power level of the ammo. One was a high end .22 target model made by High Standard. Back to the factory with the High Standard and they couldn't fix it.
I currently own 16 striker fired handguns. All are excellent. All have triggers that range from serviceable (Glocks) to excellent (PPQs & VP9s) and most in between are very good. Yes, my match grade Kimber 1911 is a little better but it's also heavy as a brick and totally unsuited for carry use by me. I've owned about a dozen other striker handguns that I sold or traded. None were unreliable or had poor triggers.
The wonderful thing about living in the time that we do and in the USA is that we have a great variety of handguns of all action types, brands, and sizes to choose from. And polymer framed striker fired handguns are very popular because they are affordable and they work well.
OP, sorry that you have had trouble with strikers. That is not the norm for these type handguns.
No, I don't think that people have just striker or double triggers in their guns. You have doubles and strikers yourself, you could have decided to go to all doubles or singles and have reasons for doing it.
I've owned stickers for almost 3 decades and until recently always considered them to be second to double/single triggers. Recently however strikers i.e.. Walther PPQ and Sig P320 among a handful of others have changed but as good as they are they are they are not as good as the better double/single triggers.
Years of gritty, spongy no feed back triggers that strikers have, have only been set aside for the advantages of cheaper, light weight polymer guns offered by striker guns, that's what I mean about trouble I've had with strikers, not discussing the problems I've ( and others ) had with Glocks. I happen to own some recent strikers and double/single, i.e.. 3-CZ's, 2-Sigs, 2-Walthers etc. etc. I was just asking a question to see what others were thinking, as I've asked on other forums.
My guess is there will be another trigger in light weight guns that bridges the striker and double triggers and that will be the answer to any difficulties with triggers now.
Lastly, striker triggers aren't as safe as double/single triggers so there's needs to be a hybrid..
My guess is there will be another trigger in light weight guns that bridges the striker and double triggers and that will be the answer to any difficulties with triggers now.
Lastly, striker triggers aren't as safe as double/single triggers so there's needs to be a hybrid..
Some in between triggers exist. Beretta “C” models, HK LEM try to hit that sweet spot. I also played with a Beretta 85FS recently and found that it does not decock all the way, so its almost like a “C”.
For carry guns I like smaller lighter single stacks, and the LCP DAO. I don't mind my 642 but it's rather large for CC. I did just buy a P-01 that I plan on carrying some, but it'll be a date night show piece.
For my HD or range use I prefer SA/DA but I'd like to pick up another 45 maybe striker and plastic...if only M&P would drop a 5" unit. I wouldn't mind the M&P 19 that just come out, but I don't know why since I'd probably consider it too large for carry. However.com I'll probably end up getting another CZ, probably a SP-01 or Shadow 2. If a G20sf shows up or a G40 at a price I like I'd snatch one of those up also.
I also need a LCPII.
That being said I don't mind Strikers or DA/SA if they're not popular among the people I shoot with.
PrivateCitizen
11-02-17, 18:23
Back to DA/SA? Nope.
But, about a year ago I had a very serious itch to jump into a SIG P226 Legion SAO. Hot Damn!
http://dragonfly-media.com/_img/g/misc/sig-sao.jpg
It was gonna be "the pistol".
I was close… hot-n-heavy close … visited one at a store far more than I should have. Fooled around with it once, if for just a few minutes (rounds).
It was the hot-girl, the high school cheerleader you never got to date … that girl in the bar early on and you said, "that is everything I want … I just need to get that fast car and she'll notice me."
But the haze lifts and you realize this arsenal at home of G19/26s is pretty damn nice. You wouldn't change a thing about them. Pretty (go with me here), reliable, affordable. Everything I want in real day of my life. The kind of thing I need in my life on a day when it all goes to shit.
Thought about it? Sure. But it'll never happen.
5.56 Bonded SP
11-02-17, 19:59
For me..
Performance>feel.
What do you shoot better with?
I have both but I am spoiled with the DA/SA as all of mine are tuned CZ’s. The DA pull is only like 7lbs and then very light SA with a short reset.
All of my DA guns have better triggers then my striker guns but I have not ever felt a tuned striker gun.
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Drifting Fate
11-02-17, 20:50
But, about a year ago I had a very serious itch to jump into a SIG P226 Legion SAO. Hot Damn!
http://dragonfly-media.com/_img/g/misc/sig-sao.jpg
I probably shouldn't tell you this, but they shoot better than they look, and they look goood. :cool:
ramairthree
11-03-17, 00:41
For me,
A good da/SA set up on say a CZ or Beretta gives me a good balance.
And I prefer carrying appendix with a safety.
YMMV.
I prefer a good DA pull with nice SA follow ups to the factory sproing of a typical striker. But many strikers have or can be upgraded to a much better first pull and have a nice reset.
I am moderately well trained and capable, but
At the end of the day my shooting is very similar between a SA, striker, and DA/ SA. I am not good enough to derive that extra benefit one of the styles may have over another.
I am good enough, however, to appreciate a DA/SA version of a gun over a DAO version of it. It really jacks up strings and splints. Just too long of a reset and too much pull. Or a stock or aftermarket Glock trigger vs the NY versions.
Like any one else regardless of skill level, I also can appreciate the recoil moderation of a heavier gun.
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