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RAM Engineer
11-10-17, 02:37
I’ve been reading what little there is to know about the Suppressed Upper Receiver Group testing going on by Crane for USSOCOM. For those of you unaware, the majority of online knowledge can be found at Soldier Systems, with some to be found at The Firearm Blog.
http://soldiersystems.net/?s=SURG+
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?s=Suppressed+upper+receiver+group+SURG+
So I thought I would create a crowd-sourced list of all known SURGs, commercially available production units, prototypes, rumors, what have you. Also I’m interested in hearing any first-hand reviews of any items listed. This is not intended to be a debate about the UTILITY of such upper, nor would I like it to turn into a 5.56 vs 300 Blackout vs blah blah blah.
Ones I’ve heard about (in no particular order):
Gemtech Integra
https://gemtech.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Integra
https://youtu.be/IMb6et2PW2U
Armageddon Tactical/SEG
http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2016/07/18/armageddon-tactical-and-stealth-engineering-group-surg-submission/
Larue Tactical
https://www.larue.com/products/larue-ultimate-suurg-kit/?mc_cid=089160e684&mc_eid=a10449a8aa
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/10/23/new-rifle-suppressor-combo-larue-tactical/
Nous Defions (Arsenal Democracy)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qA_sJuJyXJQ
Aero Precision/SilencerCo/Ballistic Advantage
https://aeroprecisionusa.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Silencerco
Daniel Defense
https://danieldefense.com/firearms/daniel-defense-isr.html
SAW
http://www.specializedarmament.com/ar-15-upper-receiver-groups/upper-receiver-group-colt-694x-suppressed/
LMT(?)
http://soldiersystems.net/2016/04/28/ask-ssd-is-this-the-lmt-surg-candidate/
NEMO Arms (coming soon)
http://nemoarms.com/news/syn-cor
Thunder Beast Arms Dedicated Suppressed Upper (DSU)
https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/dsu
Sig Sauer SUR300 (only available in 300 Blackout as of now)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/01/19/sig-sauer-2018/
Barrett SURG Candidate Prototype
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/01/28/shot-2018-barrett-adds-valkyries/
RAM Engineer
11-11-17, 11:08
Added YouTube video link by Gemtech with more detailed info on Integra. Some neat tricks in there. I’m really looking forward to trying one and HOPEFULLY seeing other folks post their info in this thread.
RAM Engineer
12-19-17, 08:52
Added: Nemo Arms apparently decided to go it alone after working with Gemtech on the Integra. Nemo's submission was a piston/blowback hybrid and will be forthcoming apparently. Link to NA's press release added, and Nemo name removed from Gemtech Integra section.
StevieJ309
12-19-17, 13:02
Better look at LMT's offering:
IIRC they released some on the commercial market not too long ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPhswHMwPh4
RAM Engineer
12-20-17, 08:15
That LMT CSW looks super cool, but I don’t think it meets the requirements for the SURG, which I believe was required to be 5.56 and longer (14.5”-16” barrel equivalent overall length). The CSW seems more a competitor to the Q Honey Badger. In that same niche at least.
RAM Engineer
01-02-18, 13:42
Added link to Larue’s SUURG upper sale page, which has various links contained within.
Searched but couldn't find weight of Larue SUURG?
Added: Nemo Arms apparently decided to go it alone after working with Gemtech on the Integra. Nemo's submission was a piston/blowback hybrid and will be forthcoming apparently. Link to NA's press release added, and Nemo name removed from Gemtech Integra section.
the original submission (round 1) was more of a NEMO Submission, with Gemtech helping on the suppressor side. The new version from NEMO can be considered a V.2 from that round one submission. I think Gemtech is using the same setup as the NEMO/Gemtech round one, for round two, but not 100%. The internals on the NEMO setup is very interesting. : )
https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/dsu
ThunderBeast Arms dedicated upper...
RAM Engineer
01-18-18, 11:35
https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/dsu
ThunderBeast Arms dedicated upper...
Thanks. I'll add it to the initial post above.
RAM Engineer
01-19-18, 11:02
Added link to TFB article on Sig Sauer catalog showing SUR300 upper.
RAM Engineer
01-30-18, 15:21
Added TFB photo of possible Barrett SURG prototype.
call_me_ski
01-30-18, 19:56
Is the SURG purely a NSW project or will USASOC get some along side the URG-I?
RAM Engineer
01-31-18, 09:09
Is the SURG purely a NSW project or will USASOC get some along side the URG-I?
Good question. Someone with more inside info than me will have to answer that.
RAM Engineer
06-13-18, 10:37
Anyone have any new information on the SURG program as a whole or any of the products listed above?
call_me_ski
06-15-18, 01:19
It has been a goat rodeo. After the cancelation and rebid the testers jumbled parts between submissions and a majority(or all) of the entrants had to resubmit. Not sure where it is at now.
RAM Engineer
07-29-18, 16:17
http://soldiersystems.net/2018/07/29/ussocom-awards-sig-sauer-48-mil-for-suppressed-upper-receiver-group/
SIG wins
Congrats SIG on the Win, No doubt some the guys working there that are putting in the R&D time on these projects are doing their job.
How long till cloners start buying Brownells Colt lowers and Virtus uppers for a SURG clone?
Supposedly the upper will be in tan 499. I wonder if the receiver end plate will match the lower or the upper.
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RAM Engineer
08-07-18, 05:57
Here it is...
http://soldiersystems.net/2018/08/02/first-look-socoms-new-suppressed-upper-receiver-group-from-sig-sauer/
How long till cloners start buying Brownells Colt lowers and Virtus uppers for a SURG clone?
Supposedly the upper will be in tan 499. I wonder if the receiver end plate will match the lower or the upper.
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Come on, they already have the colt lowers. And they’ll get the surg before the guys using them in the mil get them. Just like the URG-I
RAM Engineer
08-08-23, 14:18
It's been a few years. Here's some new stuff:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/07/20/us-socom-extends-suppressed-upper-receiver-group-surg-contract-5-years/
https://laststandonzombieisland.com/2023/07/24/sig-to-make-more-surgs-for-socom/
A few places (Impact and Bauer) taking preorders for limited releases of civilian SURG kits for Dec 2023 delivery.
I just want one of those titanium suppressor cages!
ODgreenpizza
08-08-23, 14:58
Larue is making a final limited run of their suurg uppers. One can be yours for only $2999.99.
RAM Engineer
08-08-23, 16:21
Larue is making a final limited run of their suurg uppers. One can be yours for only $2999.99.
That's $1000 less than SIG's! ;)
That's $1000 less than SIG's! ;)
I think that is a winners vs losers thing. Win a contract, and everyone wants your product. Lose a contract, and you just have a product that lost. For example, had the DD RIS II not been awarded the contract, there is no way they would have seen the same sort of hype. KAC did something similar when it won the first contract.
ODgreenpizza
08-08-23, 18:35
That's $1000 less than SIG's! ;)
A real bargain, as it's a one stamper saving you an extra $200!!!
I think they're cool but that is crazy money for what they are, although the machine time for the burn guards must be crazy. I get they're trying to recoup R&D costs so I'll go be poor somewhere else.
RAM Engineer
08-09-23, 09:03
SIG is selling SPEAR LT uppers now, for $1999, but apparently only in black, not FDE, if that matters.
If you already have a MCX Spear LT upper, you can just buy an 11" barrel for $799.
SLX suppressor for $1149(ish) plus $200 tax stamp
Stock adapter for $140(ish)
Stock for $200
That burn guard is apparently unobtanium, for now. Surprised no after-market companies like Strike Industries have made something similar. I'm sure it's a niche of a niche market.
SIG is selling SPEAR LT uppers now, for $1999, but apparently only in black, not FDE, if that matters.
If you already have a MCX Spear LT upper, you can just buy an 11" barrel for $799.
SLX suppressor for $1149(ish) plus $200 tax stamp
Stock adapter for $140(ish)
Stock for $200
That burn guard is apparently unobtanium, for now. Surprised no after-market companies like Strike Industries have made something similar. I'm sure it's a niche of a niche market.
Modtac has something very similar and in my opinion might be better in some ways, having never handled the SURG heat shield it's hard to say for sure.
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RAM Engineer
08-09-23, 11:23
Modtac has something very similar and in my opinion might be better in some ways, having never handled the SURG heat shield it's hard to say for sure.
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Modtac seems more similar to Larue's SURG solution. SIG's is, I believe, just a cage that bolts on to the suppressor. No contact with the handguard.
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