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We need to have a serious discussion about combustible material control.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/11/port-authority-explosion-reports-prompt-police-response-in-new-york-city.html
Detailed to the operations center for this event this morning. As rough as the FBI has been at the top of the food chain lately, I am still amazed at how fast our people that do the heavy lifting get up and running when these things happen.
CNN states believed to be a ‘pipe bomb’.
“Preliminary information, according to two law enforcement sources, one local and one federal, indicates a pipe bomb may have unintentionally exploded. The person in custody appears to be injured, according to the federal law enforcement source.
Another New York police source says a man in custody may have set off a device, injuring himself.”
From reading this quote in one of the articles
"police found explosive device on the suspect who had wires attached to his body"
I'm thinking maybe a failed suicide bomber. I don't think pipe bombs meant to be left behind need wires, especially attached to the individual! But then again I know nothing about this stuff. Only thing I know that explodes is my food in the microwave
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From reading this quote in one of the articles
"police found explosive device on the suspect who had wires attached to his body"
I'm thinking maybe a failed suicide bomber. I don't think pipe bombs meant to be left behind need wires, especially attached to the individual! But then again I know nothing about this stuff. Only thing I know that explodes is my food in the microwave
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Just another day in a big city, right?
“Bomber was 'ISIS-inspired Bangladeshi', according to ex-NYPD commish; four injuries reported during rush-hour attack.”
Just another day in a big city, right?
“Bomber was 'ISIS-inspired Bangladeshi', according to ex-NYPD commish; four injuries reported during rush-hour attack.”
Whatever it was, good thing he was an incompetent goober
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Whatever it was, good thing he was an incompetent goober
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No doubt.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-11-17, 08:29
Saw this and thought for sure it was going to be a Neo-NAZI Roy Moore supporter.
Glad it was only injuries. I hope the failure mechanism is actually just false info. Why give them quality control and design help?
Yet another member of the Aloha Snackbar Society coming out.
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This is all Trump's fault for recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel!
Or maybe is just the violent Hadjis being violent? I guess we will never know...
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LOL! How's that promise of sex in the afterlife feeling like now?
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Luckily it appears the worst injuries were to himself.
Yet another member of the Aloha Snackbar Society coming out.
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‘A.S.S.’
Lol
Wonder if it’s going to be another visa lottery winner.
Glad to hear that no serious injuries happened.
Bomb makers for sure have a learning curve. One of the longer termed bomb makers we were looking for was called the burned one. Because early in his career he had his share of work related problems.
Whiskey_Bravo
12-11-17, 12:34
https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/suicide-bombing-suspect-was-a-cab-driver-bent-on-revenge-cops/
Anybody else see this? Seems weird that someone would take the time to pick up items after an explosion.
Immediately following the explosion, an MTA cleaner could be seen on surveillance video holding a dustpan and picking up two items off the ground while the bomber was lying in the empty corridor before the scene was locked down, a source said.
if NY only had some form of gun control this would not have happened
sure he got it in some loophole where you can just buy bombs from anyone !
we really also need to go after the Christians and the Jews
well lets go teach children to question their gender oh I love diversity !!! its so awesome to experience other 3rd world cultures first hand in our country !
sadly the reality of the left and the world we are becoming
Whiskey_Bravo
12-11-17, 12:46
I do find it interesting that we had pictures and video within minutes of this happening. Knew who he was, where he worked, where he was from, etc. We still no jack about the Vegas guy and no video has been released at all. WTF
I do find it interesting that we had pictures and video within minutes of this happening. Knew who he was, where he worked, where he was from, etc. We still no jack about the Vegas guy and no video has been released at all. WTFOne guy in a hotel room vs one guy in public with thousands of cell phones and cameras
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Whiskey_Bravo
12-11-17, 14:21
One guy in a hotel room vs one guy in public with thousands of cell phones and cameras
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No lobby pictures or video, no elevator, parking garage, hallways, etc. Not even of the last time he was at the casino. Just one crappy video from years ago where he tried to scam the casino in a fake fall or something.
America keeps losing the immigration lottery.
Why can't we bring over Swedish nuclear phycisists or German engineers instead?
I thought all Bangladeshi's were Hindu's but apparently they have a rash of fanatical Moslems murdering and running
amok in Bangladesh now, trying to change the political landscape in their favor thru terror.
The religion of peace!
No lobby pictures or video, no elevator, parking garage, hallways, etc. Not even of the last time he was at the casino. Just one crappy video from years ago where he tried to scam the casino in a fake fall or something.
It does strain credulity that we're +71 days now and no new information, and almost no mention of the event anymore either. :ph34r:
https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/suicide-bombing-suspect-was-a-cab-driver-bent-on-revenge-cops/
Anybody else see this? Seems weird that someone would take the time to pick up items after an explosion.
Nah, we had guys like that at our facility, as far as they were concerned the only reason our facility existed was to provide them with grass to mow and hallways to clean.
We had one guy that would mow right through a force-on-force scenario on our driving course, he didn't understand the commotion it caused.
Same guy must have also thought 'Tuesday is my day to weedeat and edge the sidewalks at the range' because by golly, if it was on his list he was going to do it, regardless of what is going on.
Common sense - so rare it should be a super power. (lifted from another forum)
America keeps losing the immigration lottery.
Why can't we bring over Swedish nuclear phycisists or German engineers instead?
Didn't you get the memo? Those folks are probably white and from first-world countries. We can't have that. Must be lowest socio-economic ladder peeps from south of our border or members of the RoP.
Didn't you get the memo? Those folks are probably white and from first-world countries. We can't have that. Must be lowest socio-economic ladder peeps from south of our border or members of the RoP.
All I know is I dont go to other peoples countries trying to make them better so why do they come to mine and make it worse?
I like my life sometimes. I like everybody being on the same page.
Really, I wouldn't mind more Chileans and Uruguayans. But the people popping up bring nothing to the table.
I dont want more government or tribal infighting or honor killings or self appointed Sharia squads.
You see I'm tired of people saying we have no culture.
We do. Like Independence and not taking any shit.
Cram the hyphens. Unless you came off the boat you are Black. Be black. It's actually insulting the term African Americam because you are almost implying they are not black or American.
My penchant for black women has shown me that the Kwanzaa hyphen bunch are snakecoil salesmen trying to pin all the woes on whitey. The biggest chickenhawks are democrats.
All I know is black chicks are actually more Trad than white girls who are non-binary.
I for one like a woman who wants me to go to church and frets over me.
But then in comes the Hateocracy who gets mad. Because they try to tell black folks how to act.
Look at all these Blue cities. They are all shit. Why? You collect more in taxes than some small countries but you cant keep roads,paved or hoods in jail.
But you know what.....it wont change a thing. Nobody listens me.
One guy in a hotel room vs one guy in public with thousands of cell phones and cameras
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Lol. A Vegas casino has far better surveillance than all of NYC combined. Those folks dick around with loosing $$.
Diamondback
12-11-17, 23:46
America keeps losing the immigration lottery.
Why can't we bring over Swedish nuclear phycisists or German engineers instead?
Or, hell, Eastern European models... a hundred, nay a thousand, of them are less harmful to our country than one Aloha Snackbar Society member.
The casino surveillance is privately owned, and they knew they would be sued. Why would they release it?
tons of cell phone videos from vegas just like this one
the vegas guy was to far away to get anything clear of him but plenty of the mayhem
"Chain immigration"--one alien gets in, naturalizes (because he loves America so much), petitions for all kinds of immediate family members. Old, old story. Because we need to "unify" families. Plus we have a steady supply of people to suck up social services and fail to assimilate.
Our immigration laws were written by effing idiots and now they're having their intended effect.
Damn, we're stupid.
A report released by the Department of Homeland Security finds up to 70 percent of immigrants enter the U.S. through chain migration.
It's been like that forever.
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If the USA did "chain immigration" correctly, it would be a great thing.
OK people we are letting you into the greatest country in the world as a family because we are so nice. But you are now responsible for each other. One person becomes a terrorist or joins MS13, or hell just is convicted of a felony. Well then you all failed in your responsibility as a family and to your new country the USA.
So now we deport you as a chain. This chain extends to 3rd generation. 4th generation in the USA we will treat you as individuals.
Good Luck
If the USA did "chain immigration" correctly, it would be a great thing.
OK people we are letting you into the greatest country in the world as a family because we are so nice. But you are now responsible for each other. One person becomes a terrorist or joins MS13, or hell just is convicted of a felony. Well then you all failed in your responsibility as a family and to your new country the USA.
So now we deport you as a chain. This chain extends to 3rd generation. 4th generation in the USA we will treat you as individuals.
Good Luck
Yea that smart
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If the USA did "chain immigration" correctly, it would be a great thing.
OK people we are letting you into the greatest country in the world as a family because we are so nice. But you are now responsible for each other. One person becomes a terrorist or joins MS13, or hell just is convicted of a felony. Well then you all failed in your responsibility as a family and to your new country the USA.
So now we deport you as a chain. This chain extends to 3rd generation. 4th generation in the USA we will treat you as individuals.
Good Luck
Yes. I wish we had Israel's border and immigration policy.
I just dont care what the Statue of Liberty says.
Not sarcasm.
Stay home and fix your own nations. Don't horn in on mine.
Everything I need is in these 50 states.
Drad serious
I heard they captured/arrested the bomber. I wonder if the police gave him instructions to reach for the sky, get up on his knees, cross his legs AND crawl toward them.
I heard they captured/arrested the bomber. I wonder if the police gave him instructions to reach for the sky, get up on his knees, cross his legs AND crawl toward them.
Is he still alive?
I do find it interesting that we had pictures and video within minutes of this happening. Knew who he was, where he worked, where he was from, etc. We still no jack about the Vegas guy and no video has been released at all. WTF
I was Transit Cop assigned to District 1, 1988 to 1990 District 1 coveredTimes Square and 42/8ave stations,those passage ways are completely covered by CCTV cameras.
Get a load of this! The terrorist's family is upset over police tactics, for interrogating them about their chain migration progeny!
“We are heartbroken by the violence that was targeted at our city today, and by the allegations being made against a member of our family,” the family statement released by CAIR legal director Albert Fox Cahn said.
It added: “But we are also outraged by the behavior of the law enforcement officials who have held children as small as four years old out in the cold and who held a teenager out of high school classes to interrogate him without a lawyer, without his parents."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/12/port-authority-bombing-suspects-family-face-backlash-after-chastising-authorities.html
If the USA did "chain immigration" correctly, it would be a great thing.
OK people we are letting you into the greatest country in the world as a family because we are so nice. But you are now responsible for each other. One person becomes a terrorist or joins MS13, or hell just is convicted of a felony. Well then you all failed in your responsibility as a family and to your new country the USA.
So now we deport you as a chain. This chain extends to 3rd generation. 4th generation in the USA we will treat you as individuals.
Good Luck
Lol. Throw the Constitution and years of legal precedent out the window cause we don’t like you today. Those of you wishing to grant all these awesome powers to a central government need to be seriously careful what you ask for. How many Russians thought it was cool to give Lenin his power. Ya suppose they had second thoughts when Stalin and his clan showed up?? The power you give to the admin you like and likes you will be wielded by the next admin that may have a serious hard on for you.
Chain immigration isn’t necessarily a bad thing. When used appropriately it can be a great benefit to the nation and the new arriving immigrants. I know, I’m one who benefited greatly from having family here in the USA prior to my arrival.
My family arrived and had a safe place to stay. My dad had a job lined up before we even got on the plane to leave our Communist third world shithole of a birth country. We landed on a Friday and the next week my dad was at work. My bro and I were enrolled in school cause those here did all the prep work. No time lost. No tax benefits and government help needed. Not to this day, and hopefully never in the future. Having people here made our assimilation very smooth and insured that we would not need to depend on government services.
Having law abiding, gainfully employed tax paying families here who can support an incoming member should be super bonus points in a merit based system. Assess like financial stability requirements for adoption. Conversely, if your family are tax leeches that’s super negative points.
Lol. Throw the Constitution and years of legal precedent out the window cause we don’t like you today. Those of you wishing to grant all these awesome powers to a central government need to be seriously careful what you ask for. How many Russians thought it was cool to give Lenin his power. Ya suppose they had second thoughts when Stalin and his clan showed up?? The power you give to the admin you like and likes you will be wielded by the next admin that may have a serious hard on for you.
Chain immigration isn’t necessarily a bad thing. When used appropriately it can be a great benefit to the nation and the new arriving immigrants. I know, I’m one who benefited greatly from having family here in the USA prior to my arrival.
My family arrived and had a safe place to stay. My dad had a job lined up before we even got on the plane to leave our Communist third world shithole of a birth country. We landed on a Friday and the next week my dad was at work. My bro and I were enrolled in school cause those here did all the prep work. No time lost. No tax benefits and government help needed. Not to this day, and hopefully never in the future. Having people here made our assimilation very smooth and insured that we would not need to depend on government services.
Having law abiding, gainfully employed tax paying families here who can support an incoming member should be super bonus points in a merit based system. Assess like financial stability requirements for adoption. Conversely, if your family are tax leeches that’s super negative points.
That is the key-they must be vetted so that they become benefits to our great society, not just benefit from it. My mother immigrated here with her family, my father's parents immigrated here, all from Italy. They all became engineers, Marines, soldiers, small business owners, senior level managers, etc.... none of them lived on the government dole.
Chain immigration isn’t necessarily a bad thing. When used appropriately it can be a great benefit to the nation and the new arriving immigrants. I know, I’m one who benefited greatly from having family here in the USA prior to my arrival.
My family arrived and had a safe place to stay. My dad had a job lined up before we even got on the plane to leave our Communist third world shithole of a birth country. We landed on a Friday and the next week my dad was at work. My bro and I were enrolled in school cause those here did all the prep work. No time lost. No tax benefits and government help needed. Not to this day, and hopefully never in the future. Having people here made our assimilation very smooth and insured that we would not need to depend on government services.
Having law abiding, gainfully employed tax paying families here who can support an incoming member should be super bonus points in a merit based system. Assess like financial stability requirements for adoption. Conversely, if your family are tax leeches that’s super negative points.
My experience mirrors yours. My great grandma came in 74, which allowed my mother's parents to come in 80, which allowed us to come in 88. Landed at JFK on 2/8/88. I don't remember my first day of school but by the end of February I was already attending. We lived with my grandparents for a few months while my parents learned English, found jobs and saved enough to move into an apartment and by 91'we had bought our first house. When we got financially situated my dad brought his brother and family in 93.
Im still in awe of how they did it. Go from no language, no money or understanding of culture to buying a $110,000 home in nice suburban neighborhood in 3-4 years and sponsoring another family within 5! Meanwhile I don't remember ever lacking anything. 2 cars, 2 TV's, always full fridge, plenty of toys, summer camp, vacation once a year.. etc.. I don't think I'd be able to do that now and I don't have 2 kids and speak fluent English
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I am not for throwing the Constitution out the window. I am however for holding people that want to immigrate accountable. I also don't see the need to allow the whole extended family to immigrate just cause 1 guy wins a lottery.
I am not for throwing the Constitution out the window. I am however for holding people that want to immigrate accountable. I also don't see the need to allow the whole extended family to immigrate just cause 1 guy wins a lottery.
In a way, this.
If you had more to lose by screwing up, you wouldn't screw up.
America is full anyways. I hear Russia, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan have tons of room
I am not for throwing the Constitution out the window. I am however for holding people that want to immigrate accountable. I also don't see the need to allow the whole extended family to immigrate just cause 1 guy wins a lottery.So if my cousin moves from PA to TX and commits insurance fraud 10 years from now I'm somehow responsible?
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So if my cousin moves from PA to TX and commits insurance fraud 10 years from now I'm somehow responsible?
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not yoni, but like....
non-violent, thats on you.
Terrorism, Y O U H A V E TO G O B A C K
Did you vouch for your cousin's integrity?
not yoni, but like....
non-violent, thats on you.
Terrorism, Y O U H A V E TO G O B A C KSame thing then.
He moves from PA to TX. At one point.....say 5 years from now converts to Islam and eventually, in a few more years, decides to go jihad. How is that my fault? Do I need to fly to TX every day? Every week? Should I not allow any family members to leave my sight in the off chance that they some stupid idea?
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I am not for throwing the Constitution out the window. I am however for holding people that want to immigrate accountable. I also don't see the need to allow the whole extended family to immigrate just cause 1 guy wins a lottery.
In your above post you mention that people who may have had nothing to do with a criminal act should be punished simply cause they are related to a criminal. So your cousin shoots someone and you forfeit your guns cause you’re related. Not cause you helped him or were involved in a crime, but simply cause you’re related. Tell me what part of that concept doesn’t violate the Constitution or years of legal precedent.
I agree with you 100% on better immigration vetting. Not only if the person coming here, but also if the individuals sponsoring them. We WANT chain migration from families that have shown they have a history of assimilation and success. We DONT want chain migration from families that have shown government dependence. It’s not hard to set up a system that vets that.
Did you vouch for your cousin's integrity?Yes but I don't know what he'll do 10, 20, 40 years from now. Even the worst people were good at one point. Maybe he moves away and becomes a neo Nazi at some point!
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Same thing then.
He moves from PA to TX. At one point.....say 5 years from now converts to Islam and eventually, in a few more years, decides to go jihad. How is that my fault? Do I need to fly to TX every day? Every week? Should I not allow any family members to leave my sight in the off chance that they some stupid idea?
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You dont call him at least once a week to see how he's doing?
I'm not trying to be harsh but in a way, yeah
You gotta kinda earn your spot in America if you wanna stay.
Or you could just come in illegal like these others.
These other countries ride folks out on a rail just for looking at people wrong
You dont call him at least once a week to see how he's doing?
I'm not trying to be harsh but in a way, yeah
You gotta kinda earn your spot in America if you wanna stay.
Or you could just come in illegal like these others.
These other countries ride folks out on a rail just for looking at people wrongYea sure...you can call. How many people you call that tell everything that's going on in their lives?
Do your cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, tell you everything? And do you speak to them once a week?
How's it going?
Oh great! Just yesterday I decided to rob a bank/become a jihadi/commit insurance fraud/sell drugs... And I think tomorrow I'm going to get shit faced and plow my car into someone!
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Actually I do try to talk to folks once a week.
I get where you are coming from and I feel you but again, we could be a little less liberal in how we do things.
If you got folks who wanna work and be decent great.
But if you come from a terrorist shithole and everybody shows up wearing puma track jackets of military age and all then they can piss right off.
I dont gotta put up with the bullshit. We got enough dumbass real americans going off on a fit. We dont need it from outsiders too.
We dont need the 72 Virgin challenge every couple of weeks like London.
Immediate family only. C'mon. Theres no need for multiple generations to basically 'get in' on the chain visa. If they are adults they can apply independently. If they are minors their caregiver adults need to apply independently. I do not even know why someones parents would 'need' to get in on a chain visa, they are old and responsible enough to apply independently. Today isn't 50 years ago. Things are different.
Or we could just stop importing people that hold ideas and beliefs that are incompatible with western liberal democracy....
NO ONE has a God-given right to come here.
NO ONE.
It is at our leisure and through our good will alone.
Don't like that attitude? Don't come here. We'll do fine without you, trust me.
Yes but I don't know what he'll do 10, 20, 40 years from now. Even the worst people were good at one point. Maybe he moves away and becomes a neo Nazi at some point!
So how long was this guy here before he did his deed?
Little 7yo Mujibar comes in, and 30 years later radicalizes, yeah, I'd give his sponsoring family a pass.
17yo comes in under sponsorship, and 2 years later goes jihadi, maybe the sponsors needed to have some accountability. They are vouching for him.
I'm done with diversity lottery immigration, and the chain immigration that follows. And even if we had merit based immigration, chain should only be immediate relative. (Child, spouse or parent) Wanna bring in Uncle Bob, after a few years good behavior you could sponsor him. Not unlimited, and not without vetting, etc.
Go look at Canada or Australia immigration. Canada has a web test you can take which will score your chances of getting in. Hint: many who threaten to become a Canadian citizen couldn't.
Immediate family only. C'mon. Theres no need for multiple generations to basically 'get in' on the chain visa. If they are adults they can apply independently. If they are minors their caregiver adults need to apply independently. I do not even know why someones parents would 'need' to get in on a chain visa, they are old and responsible enough to apply independently. Today isn't 50 years ago. Things are different.
The biggest positive for chain migration is the immediate non governmental support system available to them. No need for any services as their family is the service. I’ll take 10 generations if engineers, doctors, carpenters, plumbers... over any individual who has no support system but the bloody government if the SHTF.
You want immigrants off welfare, WIC, CHIP? You don’t do that by parachuting in individuals. And you don’t do it by letting those who are takers sponsor new arrivals. You do it by bringing in people whose families can support and help assimilate new arrivals into our culture.
Go look at Canada or Australia immigration. Canada has a web test you can take which will score your chances of getting in. Hint: many who threaten to become a Canadian citizen couldn't. Took this test.. http://onlineservices-servicesenligne.cic.gc.ca/eapp/comeToCanadaResult.do and was denied. I followed the premise that I would like to live there, start a business, had a significant net worth, had experience in running a business and was willing to invest $2,000,000 in their economy. All are things that I have accomplished in the U.S.A.
Exiledviking
12-14-17, 00:48
Took this test.. http://onlineservices-servicesenligne.cic.gc.ca/eapp/comeToCanadaResult.do and was denied. I followed the premise that I would like to live there, start a business, had a significant net worth, had experience in running a business and was willing to invest $2,000,000 in their economy. All are things that I have accomplished in the U.S.A.You must have forgotten to mention that you're fleeing Syria...
You must have forgotten to mention that you're fleeing Syria...
Yep... I'm going to play some games with it to see what it takes to get in. No time right now.
Diamondback
12-14-17, 02:22
Took this test.. http://onlineservices-servicesenligne.cic.gc.ca/eapp/comeToCanadaResult.do and was denied. I followed the premise that I would like to live there, start a business, had a significant net worth, had experience in running a business and was willing to invest $2,000,000 in their economy. All are things that I have accomplished in the U.S.A.
I got the F***yougram even though my girlfriend's folks are willing to take care of me and all my housing/food/etc. costs as long as I take care of their little girl, even though I specified "Temporary, Under 6 Month" stay.
I got the F***yougram even though my girlfriend's folks are willing to take care of me and all my housing/food/etc. costs as long as I take care of their little girl, even though I specified "Temporary, Under 6 Month" stay.To be clear I'm not saying that Canadia has exactly the right policy on immigration.
They may have their equivalent of diversity / Asylum loopholes.
But the idea that they have free and open immigration is just flat out wrong. And easy to demonstrate. The majority of the British Commonwealth countries have very similar policies. Specifically including Australia, New Zealand, Caribbean countries, etc.
I was joking with a Montrealian friend of mine about the results of my test. He said he could sponsor me and get us in.
But the idea that somehow the US is fascist/racist because we want to enforce our border immigration laws is just stupid and clearly misinformed. And we can't allow it to be perpetuated like the left is doing without challenge.
Reminder: This thread is about the NY Port Authority explosion. Please and thank you.
So noted. Sorry for the detour!
We crept from the bomber's chain migration background into immigration.
The biggest positive for chain migration is the immediate non governmental support system available to them. No need for any services as their family is the service. I’ll take 10 generations if engineers, doctors, carpenters, plumbers... over any individual who has no support system but the bloody government if the SHTF.
You want immigrants off welfare, WIC, CHIP? You don’t do that by parachuting in individuals. And you don’t do it by letting those who are takers sponsor new arrivals. You do it by bringing in people whose families can support and help assimilate new arrivals into our culture.
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Who said they'd all be on some sort of social assistance? Let in only those who have reason to be here and can provide for themselves. Do away with programs that incentivise not working and living on the dole.
Obviously all bigger picture issues. Like I said this isn't 50 years ago anymore.
I know the discussion is trending to motivations, immigration, etc.
But... Having been a little careless with extremely flammable solids once, and with an oxy-acetylene torch once (I'm a fast learner), I am betting a gigantic bottle rocket/pipe bomb strapped to his stomach until it burned out gave this guy a chance to really think about the error of his ways for a minute. Although I have a good idea how it may have felt, I am thankful it ended the way it did.
Andy
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