Anyone Have A Recommendation for a Muzzle Device?

[PattonWasRight]

Muzzle brake / flash hider that reduces the sound level?

Seems like all of them add to decibels ... this would be for a carbine length AR

I might be asking for something that doesn't exist

[SomeOtherGuy]

Muzzle brake / flash hider that reduces the sound level?

Seems like all of them add to decibels ... this would be for a carbine length AR

I might be asking for something that doesn't exist

AR Technical forum is where you want to search and read up on this.

If a device truly reduces the decibels all around, it would require a $200 tax stamp.

However, a handful of devices do reduced SPL at the shooters ear, either by not being as loud as others or by redirecting sound forward. The AAC Blackout flash hider is one of them (per instrumented testing on vuurwapenblog), as is the "Simple threaded device" ("STD") (http://simplethreadeddevices.com/). The various linear compensators also redirect sound.

[Outlander Systems]

My Silencerco has been extremely effective at mitigating both muzzle rise, as well as flash. It's significantly quieter than any other muzzle device I've ever used.

[PattonWasRight]

AR Technical forum is where you want to search and read up on this.

If a device truly reduces the decibels all around, it would require a $200 tax stamp.

However, a handful of devices do reduced SPL at the shooters ear, either by not being as loud as others or by redirecting sound forward. The AAC Blackout flash hider is one of them (per instrumented testing on vuurwapenblog), as is the "Simple threaded device" ("STD") (http://simplethreadeddevices.com/). The various linear compensators also redirect sound. Thanks. His blog is deactivated, but I did find this nicely empirical testing on http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/08/07/muzzle-brakes-sound-test/

Fairly recent, done in 2105. I'll review when I have more time to not work at work

Thanks for the nudge in the right direction

[Safetyhit]

Thanks. His blog is deactivated, but I did find this nicely empirical testing on http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/08/07/muzzle-brakes-sound-test/

Fairly recent, done in 2105. I'll review when I have more time to not work at work

Thanks for the nudge in the right direction

This thread will be moved shortly, but meantime, minus the "huh", I have to compliment you on the avatar. Huh likely gives the impression to those that weren't there he was dumb, but you and I know he wasn't.;)

[Safetyhit]

This thread will be moved shortly, but meantime, minus the "huh", I have to compliment you on the avatar. Huh likely gives the impression to those that weren't there he was dumb, but you and I know he wasn't.;)


Ok quick addition for the greater good. Comps are not designed to reduce noise, so there is almost no point in factoring it in.

[Firefly]

...might as well ask for Cold Fusion too

[5.56 Bonded SP]

I hate muzzle breaks.
They will easily blow your ears out, and it's not like you need one for 5.56/223.
I just stick with the standard birdcage flashhider, I think anything else for 5.56 is a waste of money unless it significantly reduces muzzle flash.

[flenna]

I hate muzzle breaks.
They will easily blow your ears out, and it's not like you need one for 5.56/223.
I just stick with the standard birdcage flashhider, I think anything else for 5.56 is a waste of money unless it significantly reduces muzzle flash.

This. Standard A2 flash hider is all I have needed and used. YMMV.

[themonk]

Battlecomp

[Outlander Systems]

This.


I hate muzzle breaks.
They will easily blow your ears out, and it's not like you need one for 5.56/223.
I just stick with the standard birdcage flashhider, I think anything else for 5.56 is a waste of money unless it significantly reduces muzzle flash.

[PattonWasRight]

This thread will be moved shortly, but meantime, minus the "huh", I have to compliment you on the avatar. Huh likely gives the impression to those that weren't there he was dumb, but you and I know he wasn't.;) LoL! Actually it's more a meme that comments on all the stuff you read in forums that perhaps isn't fully supported by logic?

[Wake27]

The blackout came on my first Noveske and I had it for a while. While not as loud as my BCM comps, I absolutely hated the pinging sound.


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[SomeOtherGuy]

I just stick with the standard birdcage flashhider, I think anything else for 5.56 is a waste of money unless it significantly reduces muzzle flash.

The A2 is a very good all-around device and a lot of the aftermarket is actually less effective than it in various ways.

However, the AAC Blackout has a lot less flash and it's quieter, a nice combination. (Instrumented testing done by vuurwapenblog; I have copies of all the files, and you might find the article at an internet archive type site.)

Some other options have more flash but less noise, which isn't a good trade for military use but might be a good trade for hunting or recreational shooting.

[5.56 Bonded SP]

The A2 is a very good all-around device and a lot of the aftermarket is actually less effective than it in various ways.

However, the AAC Blackout has a lot less flash and it's quieter, a nice combination. (Instrumented testing done by vuurwapenblog; I have copies of all the files, and you might find the article at an internet archive type site.)

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No disrespect implied, but...

If this is what you are talking about I find that hard to believe.

49330


http://www.advanced-armament.com/Blackout-51T-Muzzle-Brake_p_497.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003286231/advanced-armament-co-aac-blackout-muzzle-brake-51-tooth-ratchet-suppressor-mount-762mm-ar-10-lr-308-5-8-24-thread-steel-matte


Those muzzle brakes deflect so much extra sound back towards the shooter that it will pretty much clear your sinuses. There is literally no possible way that any muzzle brake is going to be more quiet than a flash hider including the A2 Birdcage.


Muzzle brakes are so freekin obnoxious on ARs, the only reason I would use one is as a sacrificial blast baffle for a suppressor.
I've messed with muzzle brakes, my ears regret it. I absolutely hate them, doubling up on ear pro is mandatory with those things.

[SomeOtherGuy]

No disrespect implied, but...

If this is what you are talking about I find that hard to believe.

49330


http://www.advanced-armament.com/Blackout-51T-Muzzle-Brake_p_497.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003286231/advanced-armament-co-aac-blackout-muzzle-brake-51-tooth-ratchet-suppressor-mount-762mm-ar-10-lr-308-5-8-24-thread-steel-matte


Those muzzle brakes deflect so much extra sound back towards the shooter that it will pretty much clear your sinuses. There is literally no possible way that any muzzle brake is going to be more quiet than a flash hider including the A2 Birdcage.


Muzzle brakes are so freekin obnoxious on ARs, the only reason I would use one is as a sacrificial blast baffle for a suppressor.
I've messed with muzzle brakes, my ears regret it. I absolutely hate them, doubling up on ear pro is mandatory with those things.

The AAC brake you linked to is well known for being a very loud conventional brake. That's not what I'm talking about. I mean this flash hider:

http://www.advanced-armament.com/BLACKOUT-Non-Mount-Flash-Hider-556mm_p_449.html

I agree with your above comments on brakes.

[Wake27]

Blackout vs breakout.


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[5.56 Bonded SP]

The AAC brake you linked to is well known for being a very loud conventional brake. That's not what I'm talking about. I mean this flash hider:

http://www.advanced-armament.com/BLACKOUT-Non-Mount-Flash-Hider-556mm_p_449.html

I agree with your above comments on brakes.

Ahh my apologies..
Yea I think something like that would be worth the money. My bad I thought you were talking about a brake.

[SomeOtherGuy]

A2 is all you need [emoji6]

If you're trying to avoid hearing loss, every little bit helps. The quietest non-NFA muzzle devices are about 3-4db quieter to the shooter's ear than an A2. That may not sound like much, but it's the same as the difference between mediocre earplugs and really good earplugs. $50+ for this minor reduction may sound like money wasted, but not for those of us who start recognizing their own hearing loss, and at that point it sounds like an incredible bargain.

[Firefly]

Thinking about it......like for real...

XM-177 Moderator. Those are all NFA controlled but they

Act as Brakes
Act as FH
Dampen sound enough where a Carbine sounds like a full size 20" rifle.

Griffin Armament makes a close enough copy, the XM Linear Comp that isnt NFA.

I cant remember who but someone made actual XM-177 Moderators up until a couple years back but are NFA.

[Diamondback]

Check out an Indian Creek BFD deflector? I chose a Precision Armament AFAB with a BFD collar because it gave better braking than an A2 for negligible flash/noise change, along with better diffusion of the flame so it hopefully wouldn't damage my blast deflector.

[RHINOWSO]

...a non-attention seeking thread title?

How about put the subject in the thread title.

This aint BARF after all.

[Iraqgunz]

It's called a suppressor.

[Cold/Bore]

Black River Tactical Covert Comp:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/a30ce444f83ea3a9cc52cb699e0fa230.jpg

The Covert Comp provides a unique combination of low blast, recoil compensation and low light performance not found in other muzzle devices.

The unique linear compensator design directs blast downrange and away from the shooter.

It moderates felt recoil, allowing for faster follow up shots.

It provides low light performance nearly as good as the common A2 style muzzle device.

The Covert Comp is a great general purpose muzzle device and make shooting more enjoyable.

Made from Enhanced Chrome-Moly steel and through hardened for maximum strength and toughness.

http://www.blackrivertactical.com/concrete5/covert-comp/

[Amos]

Not needed on AR 15/M4 in my opinion. As others said too loud, no real benefit to it , a suppressor sounds what you are looking for. Good luck.

[PattonWasRight]

Black River Tactical Covert Comp:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/a30ce444f83ea3a9cc52cb699e0fa230.jpg

The Covert Comp provides a unique combination of low blast, recoil compensation and low light performance not found in other muzzle devices.

The unique linear compensator design directs blast downrange and away from the shooter.

It moderates felt recoil, allowing for faster follow up shots.

It provides low light performance nearly as good as the common A2 style muzzle device.

The Covert Comp is a great general purpose muzzle device and make shooting more enjoyable.

Made from Enhanced Chrome-Moly steel and through hardened for maximum strength and toughness.

http://www.blackrivertactical.com/concrete5/covert-comp/ I'm feeling pretty sold on this one.

Wasn't looking for a suppressor, at this point at least

Thanks all for the opinions and input

[SomeOtherGuy]

I'm feeling pretty sold on this one.

Please post a review if you get one. I've been curious about that design for a while, but have been less than impressed with a "brand X" linear comp that I have. BRT's design is different so it may be better - but I'm very interested to hear a review.

[0uTkAsT]

Before I bought my first suppressors my favorite muzzle device, hands down, were the old 3-prong PWS Triads. They exhibit very little blast and concussion to the shooter, highly comparable to the linear brakes I've had first hand experience with (limited to the KX3 and Levang), they help combat muzzle rise, and they are very effective flash hiders with no annoying "ping". Every single one of my unpinned ARs wore one before I started investing in cans. My dedicated unsuppressed, unpinned guns still wear them. With that said, I have no first hand experience with the Mod 2 version that is currently available, but the "old" 3-prong Triads are pretty commonly available still. They are cheap too at $30-$60 street price.

[Clint]

I'm feeling pretty sold on this one.

Wasn't looking for a suppressor, at this point at least

Thanks all for the opinions and input


Please post a review if you get one. I've been curious about that design for a while, but have been less than impressed with a "brand X" linear comp that I have. BRT's design is different so it may be better - but I'm very interested to hear a review.

Thanks for the mention.

The product page has a bunch of actual user reviews at the bottom.

Whenever someone sends us feedback, we just add it there.

http://www.blackrivertactical.com/concrete5/covert-comp/

[PattonWasRight]

Thanks for the mention.

The product page has a bunch of actual user reviews at the bottom.

Whenever someone sends us feedback, we just add it there.

http://www.blackrivertactical.com/concrete5/covert-comp/

Wow, wasn't this a fortuitous intersection of mutual interests!

Thanks much for pointing out the testimonials, which I missed and will definitely look thru!

[bandw1dth]

The blackout came on my first Noveske and I had it for a while. While not as loud as my BCM comps, I absolutely hated the pinging sound.


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To get rid of or greatly reduce the pinging noise, take a small drill bit and drill a hole into each one of the tines. Drill from the tip of the tine inward, stopping at different lengths for each tine. Your basically trying to give each one of the tines a different mass so that they don’t resonate with each other.

[AndyLate]

I have a 5.56 BRT Covert Comp installed on a 20 inch barreled AR.

It definitely reduces the blast/concussion to the sides of the rifle when hunting and shooting at public ranges.

I don't know how much difference the Covert Comp makes as far as noise for the shooter; it is installed on the only 20" barreled AR I have.

The rifle shoots sub-MOA 5 shot groups with the comp installed.

I'm going to buy another one in the next few months to install on a 16 inch barrel.

Andy