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P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 10:01
I have tried several different types of safety selectors and keep coming back to the to the stock one even though I don't like it either it seems to be the best for my hand size but I still have to shift my grip slightly both going off and more so going on. Seems manufacturers could offer a 45 degree rather than a 90 degree safety on semiautomatic models. That is my only grip on ergonomics of the AR.
Many companies offer a short throw safety which only travels 45 degrees instead of 90. So when on safe the safety is not horizontal and when placed on fire or off safety it only travels 45 degrees to be ready to fire. Look up short throw safeties I believe this is what your are talking about.
What kind of grip are you using? I have to occasionally shift mine with an MOE grip to click the safety back on.
militarymoron
01-02-18, 10:20
Short throw selector: http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/bad-ass-st-short-throw-ambi-safety-selector-ar15-ar10r
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 10:31
I use an Magpul K grip without the beaver tail. I have seen the 45 degree safeties but all have the safe position at horizontal like stock. I would like it aimed up pointing to the down pin. The Blackhawk safety points up but too high above the take down pin and it is still a 90 degree safety and the lever is slightly shorter than stock and being 90 degrees the safe position is too high. A 45 degree safety with the lever pointing to the take down pin in safe is what I am looking for.
Do you know any good welders? Add some metal on and shape with a Dremel and file. Might be worth a try.
probably a good idea to get some of the heat stop paste if you go that route too.
If I understand what you are saying you would like a safety modified so that the tip of the safety lever points to to front pivot pin when the safety is engaged.
If we call that 300 degrees, or 10:00 on the clock, that means the tail of the safety will be at 120 degrees, or 4 o'clock.
If modified as such, when disengaged, the 45 degree safety lever's tail would be at 165 degrees, or 5:30 on the clock.
Since you said I still have to shift my grip slightly both going off and more so going on, I have to wonder if what you propose would be worth the effort.
If you wanted to try experimenting, it might be easier to heat and bend polymer levers:
https://www.rainierarms.com/hera-arms-mpss-ar15-90-45-degree-safety-selector-set/ (out of stock - but cheaper)
https://www.aztecharmory.com/hera-multi-purpose-safety-selector-p-26596.html (in stock - but pricier)
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 13:25
If I understand what you are saying you would like a safety modified so that the tip of the safety lever points to to front pivot pin when the safety is engaged.
If we call that 300 degrees, or 10:00 on the clock, that means the tail of the safety will be at 120 degrees, or 4 o'clock.
If modified as such, when disengaged, the 45 degree safety lever's tail would be at 165 degrees, or 5:30 on the clock.
Since you said I still have to shift my grip slightly both going off and more so going on, I have to wonder if what you propose would be worth the effort.
If you wanted to try experimenting, it might be easier to heat and bend polymer levers:
https://www.rainierarms.com/hera-arms-mpss-ar15-90-45-degree-safety-selector-set/ (out of stock - but cheaper)
https://www.aztecharmory.com/hera-multi-purpose-safety-selector-p-26596.html (in stock - but pricier)
Not the front pin, the rear pin. Safe would be 02:00 and fire would be 16:OO. I looked at the rainierarms and aztecharmory but neither show it is possible to position the lever in other then the horizontal position when in safe. If the safety body and levers were splined then that might work to allow different clockings of the lever.
Not the front pin, the rear pin. Safe would be 02:00 and fire would be 16:OO. I looked at the rainierarms and aztecharmory but neither show it is possible to position the lever in other then the horizontal position when in safe. If the safety body and levers were splined then that might work to allow different clockings of the lever.
What the hell is 16:00?
4 o'clock in the afternoon
4 o'clock in the afternoon
Lol, is it different than 4 o clock?
I would think the 45 degree throws would give the OP what hes looking for.
Fwiw. I started using an ambinselctor and find engaging the safety with the trigger finger (knickle where finger meets hand) to be preffered to using the thumb.
4 o'clock in the afternoon
Yeah but in the context of a clock face, which I believe is what the OP was saying. Unless it was just a typo for 6:00.
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 15:31
Okay, I’ll make it simple 2 pm to 4 PM or for morning people 2 AM to4 AM.
Okay, I’ll make it simple 2 pm to 4 PM.
Since most special ops conducted at night and we know that most people here are operators, let's agree to stick to a proper nomenclature - 2a.m. and 4a.m. instead of a civilian PM time.
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 15:39
Since most special ops conducted at night and we know that most people here are operators, let's agree to stick to a proper nomenclature - 2a.m. and 4a.m. instead of a civilian PM time.
That would be 0200 to 0400 for the operators.
Not the front pin, the rear pin.
I thought that at first, but then I thought, no, there are shoulders that would block the way on most receivers.
My thoughts on the safeties I linked to were that you might be able to heat then and bend the polymer levers to a different angle.
militarymoron
01-02-18, 16:05
The takedown pin would be right under the thumb if the safety pointed at it; I don't think I'd want my safety so close to it.
I really like the short throw safeties from BAD and Radian Arms. I can't imagine that they wouldn't solve your problem, even if you have tiny hands.
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 16:10
I thought that at first, but then I thought, no, there are shoulders that would block the way on most receivers.
My thoughts on the safeties I linked to were that you might be able to heat then and bend the polymer levers to a different angle.
I didn't realize they were polymer. No shoulders on my Colt 6940.
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 16:29
This is a Blackhawk safety I modified by adding a small knob to make it easier to reach.
49541
49540
This is a Blackhawk safety I modified by adding a small knob to make it easier to reach.
Does that solve your problem?
After seeing your modified safety, I have to ask - is your usual rifle a FAL?
Andy
Outlander Systems
01-02-18, 18:46
This thread can't be real.
man, the BAD-ASS is just a case of too many options for me - short, long, skinny, fat, crank, no crank.
I guess I'm a simpleton, as the Noveske / Magpul ambi-short throw works fine on my ARs and SCARs.
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 20:29
This thread can't be real.
I have a Colt LE6940, just because Cold made it doesn't mean it is perfect and beyond improvement.
P2Vaircrewman
01-02-18, 20:31
Does that solve your problem?
For the most part, with a 45 degree throw would be ideal.
man, the BAD-ASS is just a case of too many options for me - short, long, skinny, fat, crank, no crank.
I guess I'm a simpleton, as the Noveske / Magpul ambi-short throw works fine on my ARs and SCARs.
Part of the reason I went with the AXTS/Radian Talon. Solid upgrade.
My short throw BAD ASS go from 0300 to about 0440 clock time, or from 90 to 140 degrees. I can easily activate without switching my grip and can ride the safety similar to a 1911. It seems to me if a safety started at 0200 clock or 60 degrees it would become more like my MP-5 and become harder to activate, especially with smaller hands.
Just my opinion...
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