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I am legitimately trying to have a rational conversation about this very disturbing subject. Human depravity to make money off of impressionable children or take abusive sexual advantage of children is utterly sickening.
I first heard of Elsagate via social media/alt news. It arose after PizzaGate/pedogate. Some say it is linked to grooming, desensitizing children for abuse, and even MK ULTRA and all its associations (satanism, deep state, mind control, cults, ritualistic sexual abuse). Conspiracy theories about The Illuminati aside, even if unintended I can see this type of media desensitizing and possibly leading to unsafe thoughts or actions by the young.
No matter the origin this is absolutely fcuking disgusting. I tried to find examples on YouTube and they were readily available. If a child searched for ‘Elsa+ Spider-Man + prank’ videos of live actors in costumes in sexual positions come up in the first search. Peeing on people in tubs. Scantily clad adults in cartoon character masks/makeup. Suggestive imagery. Wtf.
Here is a concerned YT users 15 minute explanation and concerns relating to the subject (https://youtu.be/-C6mSHuk78A)- usually I wouldn’t watch something like this however in trying to understand EG I did and I found it to actually be informative.
Here is (excerpt) Wikipedia’s article, more at source (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsagate):
‘Elsagate" is a neologism referring to the controversy surrounding supposedly child-friendly videos on YouTube and YouTube Kids which contain themes inappropriate for children. Most videos under this classification are notable for presenting content such as violence, sexual situations, fetishes and toilet humor, as well as dangerous or upsetting situations and activities.[1]
They often feature popular family-orientated characters, sometimes via crossovers, used without legal permission; the term itself is a portmanteau of Elsa (the main character of the 2013 Disney animated film Frozen, who is frequently depicted in such videos) and -gate (a suffix for scandals).[1] However, the "Elsagate" controversy has also included channels such as Toy Freaks that do not feature kid/family-friendly characters but real children, and have raised concern about possible child abuse.
Most videos in this category are either live action films or crude digital animations, although a few channels have been using more elaborate techniques such as clay animation.[2] Despite YouTube's age restriction policies, these videos are sometimes tagged in such a way to circumvent the inbuilt child safety algorithms, even making their way into YouTube Kids, and are thus difficult to moderate due to the large scale of the platform.[3] In order to capture search results and attract attention from users, their titles and descriptions feature names of famous characters, as well as keywords like "education", "learn colors", "nursery rhymes", etc.[4][5] They also include automatically placed ads, making them lucrative to their owners and to YouTube. Despite the objectionable and often confusing nature of these videos, many attract millions of views.[4]
While criticism of the channels themselves has existed since at least 2016, public awareness of the phenomenon grew in 2017, as it became part of a broader controversy about child safety on YouTube. That year, after several media outlets had reported about it, YouTube adopted stricter guidelines regarding children's content. In late November, the company started to mass delete channels and videos falling into the "Elsagate" category, as well as large amounts of other inappropriate videos or user's comments relating to children.
I dunno.
There's a difference between directly handing out smut to kids and putting up your weird crap online and letting Jesus take the wheel.
If I had a kid these days, they would probably not have unmonitored internet time until they were much older. Any electronic device would not be internet capable. Any film they wanted to watch would get pre-screened and if I felt like giving in depending on substance (a WWII film, a Historical film, etc); a healthy discussion would follow.
FTR, I stumbled on the Elsa and Spiderman YT videos once and it was weird and I guess you could think it was directed at kids, but its no different than the other cosplay fetish stuff out there.
It wasnt blatantly pornographic, like no nudity but nothing I care to see.
But again some folks are into that and we gotta stop letting TV and smartphones and tablets be babysitters.
SomeOtherGuy
01-12-18, 13:30
While criticism of the channels themselves has existed since at least 2016, public awareness of the phenomenon grew in 2017, as it became part of a broader controversy about child safety on YouTube. That year, after several media outlets had reported about it, YouTube adopted stricter guidelines regarding children's content. In late November, the company started to mass delete channels and videos falling into the "Elsagate" category, as well as large amounts of other inappropriate videos or user's comments relating to children.
Late November 2017 is at least one year too late, possibly several years. I don't know exactly when this started.
The site linked below is pretty out there but will be illuminating on this topic. Warning, the article is not something you would want to be reading at work or in a library. (No actual nudity, but screenshots from the various videos showing disturbing scenes.)
https://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/something-is-terribly-wrong-with-many-kids-videos-on-youtube/
Um... I'm really quite happy I just don't have any damned kids. The world has become this strangely weird and fvcked up place where every weirdo with a smartphone camera decides that the world should get to watch along as he/she/whateverthehelltheywanttocalltheirgender flies their personal freak flag. There's a reason I avoid much of the internet.
they are handing it out directly!
keywords and all targeting other kids tv characters etc..
sadly this again is the left you know the ones who say we have to do it for the children
but have a youtube video promoting God or anything guns or anything conservative OH demonetization and of course, limit the reach and searches etc...
just like the recent video and proof of twitter doing this the other day including shadow banning etc.
but hey that is why I do not have a twitter account :)
Actually getting a chance to read thst article, I see there was a bit more to it.
That they were doing it on keywords. I thought it was just over the weird Elsa/Spiderman skits but fears of bugs and knives and mutilation is bad.
But again, Parents Job to shield kids. Not the kindness of youtube.
That said, some of these channels seem trollish and the mean spirited 12 yo in me sees some sick humor in mickey getting done up itchy and scratchy style but a Non Switched On parent cueing up what she thinks are cartoons so she can watch the view is pretty bad and a bit line crossing.
But again, Switched On parents raise Switched On kids.
Or let kids stick to reading Golden Books
WickedWillis
01-12-18, 18:03
We were babysitting my buddies kids about a year ago, hanging out watching Disney channel, or cartoon network or something. No big deal there's an owl on TV talking to this kid, all animated. I look a little closer, and the Owl clear as day has a "666" charm on his neck. Clear placement.
EDIT: The show is called Larva and it's on Netlfix/
We were babysitting my buddies kids about a year ago, hanging out watching Disney channel, or cartoon network or something. No big deal there's an owl on TV talking to this kid, all animated. I look a little closer, and the Owl clear as day has a "666" charm on his neck. Clear placement.
EDIT: The show is called Larva and it's on Netlfix/
so much of this and more is happening in newer shows
WickedWillis
01-12-18, 18:45
so much of this and more is happening in newer shows
That's why I wasn't shocked when this Elsagate deal came up. It goes dark though real fast on some of these.
Thanks guys. My heart has been heavy on this stuff and I wanted to see what some other mature responsible adults thought. I appreciate your time.
Sick fcuking shit.
That's why I wasn't shocked when this Elsagate deal came up. It goes dark though real fast on some of these.
YUP big time
WickedWillis
01-12-18, 18:54
Thanks guys. My heart has been heavy on this stuff and I wanted to see what some other mature responsible adults thought. I appreciate your time.
Sick fcuking shit.
Well the subliminal messaging stuff has been around forever, but recently the amount of time kids have on the electronic devices, coupled with zero parental monitoring of content, is making it super easy for creeps to make this stuff. I see something almost daily now advertised to children that makes me scratch my head.
turnburglar
01-12-18, 18:57
You can thank the liberal media for the explosion of confidence in weirdo's.
EDIT: I just figured out your problem. YouTube is owned now by Google. If you haven't been keeping up with youtube and google let me fill you in:
YouTube has been increasingly demonetizing and flat out banning gun/conservative content.
Google is now getting sued over their "pro trans/poly" and "anti straight-white" hiring and promotion policies.
It's really really sick that the tech world has become so violently liberal. Not surprised at all they want to push their agenda through their own mediums.
I really try to consider myself open minded and have even had a few gay and lesbian friends over my life. I have absolutely nothing against them, their partners or their life choices. "Just keep it in your own bedroom" is the policy I go by. Now this "I Identify as a 5th gender, and expect your obedience to my flamboyant lifestyle" needs to get put down and put down hard. I couldn't even imagine going to a company meeting, to leave an hour later with the only substance being: "how to properly address your trans/furry co-workers".
Nope.
SomeOtherGuy
01-12-18, 22:17
We were babysitting my buddies kids about a year ago, hanging out watching Disney channel, or cartoon network or something. No big deal there's an owl on TV talking to this kid, all animated. I look a little closer, and the Owl clear as day has a "666" charm on his neck. Clear placement.
This is very widespread now. Obviously, it is trying to normalize occult/satanic images with the broader public. The site I linked to above has numerous articles on this, most of them with supporting references.
Elsagate differs greatly, although there may be some overlap in the people behind it. As far as I can tell, the purpose of that sick subset of videos is not normalizing occult symbols, but mentally traumatizing children in a way that has been known to be used for "grooming" the kids for direct physical abuse, combined with normalizing concepts, actions and images that also fit with the "grooming" theory. Although I don't know of direct proof that this is the purpose, no other explanation seems plausible.
*NSFW*
Along they same line... a close friend of mine bought her young children a package of "Christmas" stickers off of Amazon. Fortunately she only bought one, that she split between the two kids and these sticker are what she found hidden in the middle of the rest of the christmas assortment 49720
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When my daughter was in middle school her best friend told her to go on youtube to check out some videos. Via browser history we found out that she was watching my little pony cartoons with the characters engaged in various sex acts.
The attempts to subvert our children is real and we need to stay ever vigilant.
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A lot of good responses here. I do believe this is ‘normalizing’ sexuality to small children, and I also believe it is planned. Look at how G PG R X NR ratings have changed over the past twenty years, was it just to create revenue by allowing more tickets to be sold? Or did the Weinstein’s realize it made future actresses (and actors) more vulnerable? Same with this YT content, it could have a porn industry backing to groom future viewers.
I am very concerned for the future.
Porn industry revenue varies, even if the conservative lower numbers it’s still a lot of money. Low estimates say $10-20B, high estimate stated $97B.
This information is from a site called FightTheNewDrug (https://fightthenewdrug.org/10-porn-stats-that-will-blow-your-mind/)*:
11 Porn Industry Stats That Really Need To Change:
1. Porn sites receive more regular traffic than Netflix, Amazon, & Twitter combined each month. (HuffPost)
2. 35% of all internet downloads are porn-related. (WebRoot)
3. 34% of internet users have been exposed to unwanted porn via ads, pop-ups, etc. (WebRoot)
4. Porn increased marital infidelity by 300%. (WebRoot)
5. At least 30% of all data transferred across the internet is porn-related. (HuffPost)
6. The most common female role in porn is women in their 20’s portraying teenagers. (Jon Millward.) (In 2013, Millward conducted the largest personal research study on the Porn Industry in the U.S. He interviewed 10,000 porn stars about various aspects of the business.)
7. Recorded child sexual exploitation (known as “child porn”) is one of the fastest-growing online businesses. (IWF)
8. 624,000+ child porn traders have been discovered online in the U.S. (Innocent Justice)
9. Child porn is a $3 billion industry. (TopTenReviews)
10. Porn is a global, estimated $97 billion industry, with about $12 billion of that coming from the U.S. (NBC News)
11. In 2016 alone, more than 4,599,000,000 hours of porn were watched on the world’s largest porn site. (PH Analytics)
12. Eleven pornography sites are among the world’s top 300 most popular Internet sites. The most popular such site, at number 18, outranks the likes of eBay, MSN, and Netflix. (SimilarWeb)
*They said 11 however provided 12 points.
And here is more from FTND that supports my assertions:
Viewing Stats That Are Hard To Believe (from NCOSE):
13. 64% of young people, ages 13–24, actively seek out pornography weekly or more often. [1]
14. Teenage girls and young women are significantly more likely to actively seek out porn than women 25 years old and above. [2]
15. A study of 14- to 19-year-olds found that females who watched pornographic videos were at a significantly greater likelihood of being victims of sexual harassment or sexual assault. [3]
16. A Swedish study of 18-year-old males found that frequent users of pornography were significantly more likely to have sold and bought sex than other boys of the same age. [4]
17. A 2015 meta-analysis of 22 studies from seven countries found that internationally the consumption of pornography was significantly associated with increases in verbal and physical aggression, among males and females alike. [5]
18. A recent UK survey found that 44% of males aged 11–16 who viewed pornography reported that online pornography gave them ideas about the type of sex they wanted to try. [6]
A lot of good responses here. I do believe this is ‘normalizing’ sexuality to small children, and I also believe it is planned. Look at how G PG R X NR ratings have changed over the past twenty years, was it just to create revenue by allowing more tickets to be sold? Or did the Weinstein’s realize it made future actresses (and actors) more vulnerable? Same with this YT content, it could have a porn industry backing to groom future viewers.
I am very concerned for the future.
Sex IS normal. If you go back to the good old days of religion in the holy land, mom and dad didn't get a hotel when they had sex. They probably lived in a one room dwelling and probably had a few kids already. What isn't normal is treating a perfectly natural function such as sex as something wrong.
It's the same kind of stupidity where people want to shame hunters who harvest their own food.
Sex IS normal. If you go back to the good old days of religion in the holy land, mom and dad didn't get a hotel when they had sex. They probably lived in a one room dwelling and probably had a few kids already. What isn't normal is treating a perfectly natural function such as sex as something wrong.
It's the same kind of stupidity where people want to shame hunters who harvest their own food.
What?
Sex IS normal. If you go back to the good old days of religion in the holy land, mom and dad didn't get a hotel when they had sex. They probably lived in a one room dwelling and probably had a few kids already. What isn't normal is treating a perfectly natural function such as sex as something wrong.
It's the same kind of stupidity where people want to shame hunters who harvest their own food.
Maybe im missing your point, but sex is not normal for 5-12 yr olds, which seems to be the target of some of the vids. Even back then, i doubt parents were having explicit sex in front of thier young children.
I think some is meant for adult consumption, but it comes down to parents knowing what they are exposing their kids to. Youtube is not your child’s parent.
Sex with children IS NOT NORMAL
promoting sex/porn to children is NOT the same as shaming hunters!
It is WRONG with most people to promote sex to children
And this good old days they did not go OK kids ready to watch and participate like is happening today
Sex IS normal. If you go back to the good old days of religion in the holy land, mom and dad didn't get a hotel when they had sex. They probably lived in a one room dwelling and probably had a few kids already. What isn't normal is treating a perfectly natural function such as sex as something wrong.
It's the same kind of stupidity where people want to shame hunters who harvest their own food.
Please tell me you did not read what this was about even though you quoted him this is about children and only blindly replied which is why folks should only respond if they know what the post is about which I am thinking has to be ?
Our youngest saw that stuff on his tablet and when he watches anything we normally check in and see just what it is. Saw this crap and kind of went what the ****. Needless to say that crap is banned in this house, we have the kids use vudu or PBS Kids app so we can control just what they see. Makes you wonder just what shit head thought this was a good idea to target kids. Then again I have dealt with sex assaults at work and have learned to not try to throat punch some people repeatedly.
SomeOtherGuy
01-15-18, 09:40
promoting sex/porn to children is NOT the same as shaming hunters!
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Please tell me you did not read what this was about even though you quoted him this is about children and only blindly replied which is why folks should only respond if they know what the post is about which I am thinking has to be ?
I'm 99% sure Steyr didn't visit one of the articles or see any of the example videos. This has nothing to do with any sort of healthy normal sexuality. The videos don't directly promote sex, but have a variety of inappropriate themes that could be exploited by pedophiles.
Makes you wonder just what shit head thought this was a good idea to target kids.
IMHO, this is a totally different category than something like South Park, Family Guy, or other network cartoons that are vulgar, and inappropriate for small children, but not really out of the mainstream (lowest-common-denominator/ gutter / etc.). I can't think of any non-evil reason for the "Elsagate" videos to exist.
WickedWillis
01-15-18, 10:23
Sex IS normal. If you go back to the good old days of religion in the holy land, mom and dad didn't get a hotel when they had sex. They probably lived in a one room dwelling and probably had a few kids already. What isn't normal is treating a perfectly natural function such as sex as something wrong.
It's the same kind of stupidity where people want to shame hunters who harvest their own food.
Great post everything here is spot on. Sexuality is part of human and animal nature, as long as it's self regulated and consensual by all parties, I don't care.
Whiskey_Bravo
01-15-18, 10:25
Great post everything here is spot on. Sexuality is part of human and animal nature, as long as it's self regulated and consensual by all parties, I don't care.
Not sure what this has to do with these videos that are targeted at kids.
WickedWillis
01-15-18, 10:34
Sex with children IS NOT NORMAL
promoting sex/porn to children is NOT the same as shaming hunters!
It is WRONG with most people to promote sex to children
And this good old days they did not go OK kids ready to watch and participate like is happening today
Please tell me you did not read what this was about even though you quoted him this is about children and only blindly replied which is why folks should only respond if they know what the post is about which I am thinking has to be ?
I agree with nearly all of this and I see where you are coming from. Growing up we never had any sexual education in school, not even STD classes in high school. I had friends stumble onto playboys and old school porn tapes and that was my exposure as a kid. My parents never told me anything regarding it either until I was old enough to know on my own.
Sexuality and sex information as a whole is so much more wide spread now than I ever remember at any point, and I am not a bashful individual or offended by things. However I have seen ads, and even stories on the news where I had to ask if they are really allowed to do that?
WickedWillis
01-15-18, 10:35
Not sure what this has to do with these videos that are targeted at kids.
I was reading back through the entire thread just now, and thought this was a good post. Subliminal sexual advertising and content is very bad in children's programming and content.
Not sure what this has to do with these videos that are targeted at kids.
My 4 year old granddaughter cruises YouTube on her computer like I used to watch Saturday morning cartoons. When she's at our house, my wife and I watch the content closely. I've seen nothing that causes me any alarm, and this past weekend I was watching particularly closely given the angst posed in this thread. The only limitation we've imposed is proscribing Ryan Toy Review. Not for nefarious content, but because it's excessively stupid, even by YouTube standards.
Feels like conspiracy theory to me.
Whiskey_Bravo
01-15-18, 10:59
My 4 year old granddaughter cruises YouTube on her computer like I used to watch Saturday morning cartoons. When she's at our house, my wife and I watch the content closely. I've seen nothing that causes me any alarm, and this past weekend I was watching particularly closely given the angst posed in this thread. The only limitation we've imposed is proscribing Ryan Toy Review. Not for nefarious content, but because it's excessively stupid, even by YouTube standards.
Feels like conspiracy theory to me.
My comment was targeted at the "sex is normal" comments not having anything to do with youtube videos that are weird and seemed to be targeted at kids. Yes sex is a normal and natural thing, targeting kids with weird, sexual, or gross stuff is not normal.
This article on THE VERGE is fairly thorough, and includes a number of sub links to other articles including The NYT. Especially disturbing are the linked videos (there are hundreds of these videos on YouTube that are also highly disturbing, not just these two). The ‘Ding Dong Bell’ one is outright bizarre. The more I read about this, and view some examples, somehow MK ULTRA type predictive programming comes to mind.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/8/16751206/elsagate-youtube-kids-creepy-conspiracy-theory
Yes I rabbit holed on this one.
This article on THE VERGE is fairly thorough, and includes a number of sub links to other articles including The NYT. Especially disturbing are the linked videos (there are hundreds of these videos on YouTube that are also highly disturbing, not just these two). The ‘Ding Dong Bell’ one is outright bizarre. The more I read about this, and view some examples, somehow MK ULTRA type predictive programming comes to mind.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/8/16751206/elsagate-youtube-kids-creepy-conspiracy-theory
Yes I rabbit holed on this one.
I think the conspiratorial minded will find a conspiracy anywhere they want. I wouldn't even necessarily call it targeting children, some people are actually into the whole cartoon sex thing. In real life... Welcome to the internet! And if you're letting your kids (especially your young kids) run wild and free 'round these parts then you're ****ing up. I can't tell you how many kids I see transfixed to a phone or tablet like zombies walking around the grocery store or sitting in a cart. Stop letting YouTube raise your kids and maybe we'll have less of them eating Tide Pods for views and likes.
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