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In the following weeks of every mass shooting in America, the media along with average citizens, politicians and celebrities go into full gun control mode. Social media sites such has Facebook and Twitter are used to debate the need or cause for wanting gun control and in almost every case, there is blame on the NRA, gun shows, legal loop holes, the AR-15 itself, high cap magazines, out dated constitution, outdated laws etc.
I have noticed that liberal websites such as Yahoo!, Vox, Slate, Huffpost, New York Times and GQ publish extensive articles informing readers the same old story: about how easy it is to purchase a AR-15, you can own an assault rifle before you can buy a beer, no need for 30 round magazine, no need for a gun except for hunting, self defense is not a good reason to own a handgun etc. But I have noticed that a lot of these articles are pulled and disappear in a 24 hour period. In almost every case, these articles are long, statistics are not 100% accurate, details on actual shooting are here say, and the overall objective (gun control) is not based on facts but personal opinion.
However, it seems that Donald J Trump is going to always be headline news for the foreseeable future on these liberal and left leaning websites and blogs. As long as Trump is our President, I feel that there isn't anything that can overshadow his administration. Talk about taking one for the team!
Anyways is there anything you read in the past that really stood out to you as liberal propaganda or 100% miss leading? What was your favorite argument?
Here is my favorite arguments:
1. Yahoo! states that AR-15 owners in huge numbers are voluntarily turning over there AR's to law enforcement- im going to say this is miss leading
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-shooting-man-gives-ar-140114808.html
2. Huffpost claims it took them 38 minutes to purchase a "vietman era machine gun" which they called "murder weapon", "death machine" at a pawn shop, it was a Diamond Back DB15. Huff claims they could have been "locked and loaded in 5 minutes". - im going to call bullshit!
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ar-15-orlando_us_576059f3e4b0e4fe5143fd4d
3.This is Vox trying to explain Americas gun violence problems using fake statistics on maps and charts:-
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts
4. This is a good one. This is Vox trying to explain that the NRA shifted the country from the view that the Second Amendment is about the federal government’s role in state-run militias to one that it’s really about individual Americans’ right to bear arms.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/12/16418524/us-gun-policy-nra
5. This is a fascinating piece: MSNBC explains a legal loophole means that anyone, including criminals, can order a so-called “ghost gun” off the web without a background check – a gun with no serial number that can’t be traced. And when these parts are assembled, some how they are legal- even for criminals.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/loophole-lets-criminals-buy-untraceable-ghost-guns-online-n719121
6. I saved the best for last: CNN describes a world where it is legal to build full auto machines guns in your garage from unregistered and even 3D printed parts, but you cant sell them unless you pay $200 to the BATFE.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1203263
I find nothing comforting in the liberal media agenda. It will prove to simply be white noise as there is zero agenda for gun control in any branch of government. That is where it counts.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-17-18, 14:56
They use state level data on gun deaths when it is city, or even really smaller than zip code areas that are the meaningful resolution.
That and ‘you don’t need an AR to hunt’, and watch their eyes bug out at an hog hunt with an AR from a helo in Texas.
All the gun owners, against guns.
The 7-10 mass shootings all were with ARs, when there are 4,000,000+ out there, for something like 0.0002% are used to kill. I wish illegals had that kind of kill rate.
They seem addicted to ‘blood on the hands’. Interestingly, kind of biblical.
‘Something ‘ or ‘anything’.
‘You love your guns more than your children’. I actually love them both. I’m totally head over heals when I can go shooting with my kids.
Averageman
02-17-18, 15:04
Really?
It all kind of sickens me. I'm of the opinion that the Liberals need to be allowed the left and the right coasts and leave the rest of us alone.
They can figure out how to grow corn, wheat and barley in Brooklyn.
We can just go on being free.
Business_Casual
02-17-18, 15:12
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/us/prominent-republican-donor-issues-ultimatum-on-assault-weapons.html
Mine is RINOs that pop out and give liberals propaganda opportunities.
LOL, looking there, he’s a Bush supporter.
Many Libs say the AR-15 is a "weapon of war" and was never intended for civilian use. Also, that mass shootings, and mass murders never happen outside the U.S. because of other countries' strict gun laws, and gun bans. Vehicles, and other implements used to kill are OK, because they are not designed, nor intended to kill. So the car, or truck knows what it was designed for, and possesses will and intent. :rolleyes:
My favorite is that we are no longer threatened by Great Britain which is why the 2A, so the 2A is obsolete, and the 2A was only meant for muskets as the Founding Father's could never foresee "machine guns" like the AR-15.
These people need to have their fantasies refuted. Plain and simple.
In most cases I try to do it nicely and constructively. Many of them are just ignorant and don't even know they are being lied to and manipulated by a giant, effective propaganda machine. Many are pissed when they find out.
Some of them can't be reached, or don't want to be reached, yet… If it needs to get loud, then loud I can do, but I find it more effective to stay calm, cool and collected, and present facts. The louder and more irate they become when confronted with reality and truth, the more calm and concentrated I become. Everyone watching and listening sees them losing their sh*t and screaming vile insults and profanity, and me calmly pointing out the reality of the situation.
As far as finding their lies and exaggerations entertaining? I don't. I don't find it amusing because WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too many people believe their non-sense and lies and parrot it to anyone who will listen. How many times have friends, co-workers and family asked you "Why does anyone need and AR-15?" Every time I hear that question I am reminded of just how powerful, resilient and crafty the enemies of freedom are. We must also be powerful, resilient, persistent and intelligent if we wish to defeat our enemies, the enemies of American freedom.
There is legislation currently being circulated in Washinton being introduced by of course, Dianne Feinstein to raise restrictions and the minimum age to purchase "military grade assault rifle" from 18-21 years old.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-feinstein-introducing-bill-raise-075036864.html
The Federalist got it right: We can NOT have a gun debate if the liberals keep lying about them:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/16/we-cant-have-a-debate-about-guns-if-liberals-keep-lying-about-them/
My favorite is that we are no longer threatened by Great Britain which is why the 2A, so the 2A is obsolete, and the 2A was only meant for muskets as the Founding Father's could never foresee "machine guns" like the AR-15.
And anyone who says that should lose their rights to free speech because the FF could never have imagined the internet, twitter, etc.
The_War_Wagon
02-17-18, 17:22
MY favorite media hysteria. :rolleyes:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/helenlovejoy.jpg
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-17-18, 17:56
MY favorite media hysteria. :rolleyes:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/helenlovejoy.jpg
Yes, that is what 22lr and 20gauge shot guns are for. How else are you supposed to train them with out running out of money and making them recoil sensitive.....
Business_Casual
02-17-18, 19:51
Freedom is dangerous - a simple fact that escapes the Statists.
LMT Shooter
02-18-18, 00:44
I'm sick of the "I support the Second Amendment, I just think we need some 'common sense' regulations" horseshit. These bungholes are trying to make it sound like they're on our side, while they work to ban guns & related accoutrements.
do something about distracted driving first :)
then the huge killer medical malpractice !
common sense and politicians kinda oxymoron :)
To be honest, I support a full background check, fingerprints and even a DNA sample. But I will only do that if I can buy NFA items off the shelf.
MY favorite media hysteria. :rolleyes:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/helenlovejoy.jpg
That's soooo 90's...........
To be honest, I support a full background check, fingerprints and even a DNA sample. But I will only do that if I can buy NFA items off the shelf.
Uh, no.
To be honest, I support a full background check, fingerprints and even a DNA sample. But I will only do that if I can buy NFA items off the shelf.Yea I don't need a short barrel rifle that bad and have zero use for a suppressor
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LMT Shooter
02-18-18, 09:14
To be honest, I support a full background check, fingerprints and even a DNA sample. But I will only do that if I can buy NFA items off the shelf.
I hope this is your favorite anti-gun propaganda:confused:a
To be honest, I support a full background check, fingerprints and even a DNA sample. But I will only do that if I can buy NFA items off the shelf.
I don't. There is no valid reason why the government needs a list of my possessions, fingerprints or DNA sample, and address of where to come pick them all up whenever they feel like it. Doesn't matter if its a sound suppressor, FA AR, SB SG or my kid's single shot .22lr.
It's all about the 'Likes' and 'Reposts'.
HOW FAKE NEWS IS SPREAD
Create a Fake News piece either intentionally or unintentionally due to careless lack of research
Make it headline news for the world to see
Days or weeks later when the initial piece is proven to be false just post a tiny retraction that 1/100th of the initial readers will see
Repeat steps 1-3
ramairthree
02-18-18, 12:52
All these idiots who state the 2nd Ammendment only was for muskets need to congregate in large numbers on one end of a football field.
On the other end of the field will be some 2A supporters with muskets. And a couple of Puckle guns. And some Kalthoff repeaters. With at least a few cannons loaded with grapeshot. Behind the supporters will be all their evil black rifles.
If they can get past the useless old antiques the founding fathers meant alive and with no appreciation of the killing power available at the time the 2A was written are free to start confiscating the evil black rifles. Subject to quietly being picked off by guys hiding in cover with Giarodini air rifles.
This could be televised live if they want to demonstrate what the founding fathers meant.
This was an era when men would ram a ship and board it with a brace of pistols with knives on the muzzle end, each grip a lethal club, a hatchet on their belt, and a sword slung over their shoulder to seize a cargo of rum.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-18-18, 13:11
The code words of "Australia" and "England", maybe with 'buy back' when it really means confiscation and ban. The Progressives have worked themselves into such a lather that they will actually drop the canard and saw that they want a ban. A City Counciltwit in Denver was cheered when she called for a magazine limit of ' 0 '. Kendra Black, what a twit.
They Are Coming For Your Guns 2018 Tour!!!
Uh, no.
I should of put "quotation" marks. I hear that around. People ready to give up rights in favor for what they believe will be more rights. In this world we live in, we will NEVER be given more gun rights so its silly to think that going along with "common sense" regulations will result in more civil liberties. The NFA will NEVER be repealed! Neither will the GCA1934 or the GCA1968. There will only be more Gun Control Acts and further "Brady Bills" to expand on the current gun restrictions.
I should of put "quotation" marks. I hear that around. People ready to give up rights in favor for what they believe will be more rights. In this world we live in, we will NEVER be given more gun rights so its silly to think that going along with "common sense" regulations will result in more civil liberties. The NFA will NEVER be repealed! Neither will the GCA1934 or the GCA1968. There will only be more Gun Control Acts and further "Brady Bills" to expand on the current gun restrictions.
Well that seems a little Doom-n-Gloom and unrealistic given recent events of the last few years. Look where we are with CCW. Many said that would never happen. Look at the Heller decision. Look who is sitting in the White House and what he says about the 2A.
Sure we are under attack and always will be, but we've also made some good progress here. No reason to think we won't make more progress, especially considering how stupid our opposition has become lately.
In the following weeks of every mass shooting in America, the media along with average citizens, politicians and celebrities go into full gun control mode. Social media sites such has Facebook and Twitter are used to debate the need or cause for wanting gun control and in almost every case, there is blame on the NRA, gun shows, legal loop holes, the AR-15 itself, high cap magazines, out dated constitution, outdated laws etc.
While I appreciate the time and effort you put into finding and categorizing those articles, I aint gonna read them as my head may explode. Already taxed with the stupid level 11 I have seen the last few days. ;)
The code words of "Australia" and "England", maybe with 'buy back' when it really means confiscation and ban. The Progressives have worked themselves into such a lather that they will actually drop the canard and saw that they want a ban. A City Counciltwit in Denver was cheered when she called for a magazine limit of ' 0 '. Kendra Black, what a twit.
They Are Coming For Your Guns 2018 Tour!!!
When I lived in Colorado, Eve Hudak, a liberal, Democrat NYC carpetbagger was recalled over the mag limit legislation, as well as another Dem politician whose name escapes me. Let's see if they try again.
Mine is when they throw out a number of the particular type of shooting that there has been in recent memory knowing, or maybe not knowing, that the number is an outright lie. Like right now saying there have been 18 school shootings in 2018 when a tiny search reveals 10 instances where no one injured, 2 suicides on school grounds, and others may have been merely within 1000 feet of a school. But it is used all the way up, or down, to our super, terrific politicians in official hearings and proceedings as if it's fact.
When I lived in Colorado, Eve Hudak, a liberal, Democrat NYC carpetbagger was recalled over the mag limit legislation, as well as another Dem politician whose name escapes me. Let's see if they try again.
I believe there was a third who resigned or quit before he or she could be voted out
Mine is when they throw out a number of the particular type of shooting that there has been in recent memory knowing, or maybe not knowing, that the number is an outright lie. Like right now saying there have been 18 school shootings in 2018 when a tiny search reveals 10 instances where no one injured, 2 suicides on school grounds, and others may have been merely within 1000 feet of a school. But it is used all the way up, or down, to our super, terrific politicians in official hearings and proceedings as if it's fact.
To them, the end justifies the means and so distortions to outright fabrications are all OK.
Mine is when they throw out a number of the particular type of shooting that there has been in recent memory knowing, or maybe not knowing, that the number is an outright lie. Like right now saying there have been 18 school shootings in 2018 when a tiny search reveals 10 instances where no one injured, 2 suicides on school grounds, and others may have been merely within 1000 feet of a school. But it is used all the way up, or down, to our super, terrific politicians in official hearings and proceedings as if it's fact.
Dude, get your facts straight!
We lose 93 Million Americans a day to gun violence!
You just cant escape a ghost gun with an ability with 30 caliber clip to disperse 30 bullets within half of a second- 30 magazine clip in half second!. That's terrifying!
School security would automatically make schools look like military compounds.
Business_Casual
02-19-18, 05:50
School security would automatically make schools look like military compounds.
LOL, what’s the message that would send? You have to go here everyday, but it’s not safe and you could be severely harmed. On the other hand, if you don’t go, we’ll put you in an institution that’s not safe where you could be severely harmed.
Statists - forcing you to drink hemlock in the city square since 400 BC.
Well that seems a little Doom-n-Gloom and unrealistic given recent events of the last few years. Look where we are with CCW. Many said that would never happen. Look at the Heller decision. Look who is sitting in the White House and what he says about the 2A.
Sure we are under attack and always will be, but we've also made some good progress here. No reason to think we won't make more progress, especially considering how stupid our opposition has become lately.
That "progress" came with more legislation regulating a Constitutional amendment that clearly states "shall not be infringed".
NO ONE becomes more free by means of a law.
That "progress" came with more legislation regulating a Constitutional amendment that clearly states "shall not be infringed".
NO ONE becomes more free by means of a law.
There are now millions of Americans walking around legally armed in public, and you don't see that as a victory? You don't see that as more freedom than what we had before when those same Americans could not legally walk around armed and ready for self defense?
I'm with you on the "shall not be infringed" business, but these legal victories are in fact giving us less infringement. You'll get no argument from me if you retort that we shouldn't need "permission" to exercise a God given, Constitutionally protected right, but my point is that we are gaining ground in many instances, and all is not lost.
Liberals often use “gun violence” or “firearm deaths” to support an argument... of course gun violence will be higher where they are available. Obviously the tool doesnt matter. And lastly, as i just said in another thread, USA is about max freedom, not max safety.
Liberals often use “gun violence” or “firearm deaths” to support an argument... of course gun violence will be higher where they are available. Obviously the tool doesnt matter. And lastly, as i just said in another thread, USA is about max freedom, not max safety.
Yet no stats on "car violence" as it's not a term anyone uses. If you did, they'd instantly point out it's not the car causing the violence.
Yet no stats on "car violence" as it's not a term anyone uses. If you did, they'd instantly point out it's not the car causing the violence.
I think we should have a national discussion on cell phone related murders. I bet cell phones are more represented in negligible homicides than firearms. Seriously, NOBODY needs a phone that operates when they are driving. We got along just fine without them only a few decades ago.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-19-18, 20:05
"We don't want to take your guns, we just want to be like England and Australia......"
:stop:
Have y'all seen this guy? Can someone explain the "left" handed AR?https://www.facebook.com/100007513365065/videos/1993503840910042/
BrigandTwoFour
02-19-18, 20:50
From my cursory glance, the prohibitionists are absolutely frothing at the mouth this time around. I've also noticed an uptick in the technical accuracy of the main stream medias reporting regarding terminology (semi-auto vs auto, etc.). All of the usual arguments have been brought out in force. Many of them aren't even trying to hide the end goal anymore.
A few of my recurring favorites:
- The CDC is totally banned (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/374308-florida-shooting-reopens-cdc-gun-research-debate) from collecting data on firearms death and doing research. Disregard what the law actually says, please
- The gun industry is granted total immunity (http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/other-laws-policies/gun-industry-immunity/) from liability for their products. Someone oughta tell Remington the lawsuit against them for faulty safeties in the R700 was a sham and not allowed by law....
- The AR-15 is a WMD only good for slaying as many people as possible in a few seconds. As someone who no-shit used to be responsible for launching nuclear weapons on presidential order, and did a graduate program in nuclear weapons effects, this argument is ****ing stupid. I don't think WMD means what they think it means.
- I don't know what you're being so paranoid about, all we want is some commonsenseguncontrol that we can all agree we need. You don't need 100 round drum mags of death, we can just limit it to 10. Never mind, 7 is the new 10. Oops, silly me, nobody needs more than 6 shots. You know...I think your home isn't secure enough, you need to store your guns at a secure facility at your local range. We need to close all the local shooting ranges, they are causing too much lead and noise pollution. I don't know why anyone would need a rifle with a caliber larger than .22- who do you think you are? I think we can all agree that licensing and registration are pretty minor things to ask for safety. All you need to get a license is to do a background check, finger prints, and prove you are able to shoot at static and moving targets. By the way, we are going to put a violence tax on ammo and make it too cost prohibitive to practice and get proficient enough to pass our license test. On second thought, I think we also need to include psychological testing to get a license- and the fact that you even want an AR-15 means you are too crazy to have a license, you murderer-in-training.
etc, etc, etc...
BoringGuy45
02-19-18, 21:05
Maybe I'd take their position more seriously if they were consistent. If the anti-gunners said "Nobody should have guns except the government, because I unquestionably trust the government to have my best interests in mind and to always protect me," I could say that, in my opinion, they're delusional and wrong, but at least there's logic and consistency to their beliefs, however flawed. But no; they in one sentence say that nobody except the police and the military should have guns, and in the next sentence they say that the police are corrupt, racist murderers, the military are a bunch of brainwashed killers, and Trump is a potential Hitler who must be stopped by any means necessary.
Another common piece of propaganda:
“Guns are designed to kill and therefore should be banned. Cars are not. Nor crowbars, nor baseballs bats. Therefore, the comparison doesn’t hold and gun rights people should stop using those stupid analogies.”
1. AR-15's are military type weapons that are made for nothing more than killing people.
2. If you need 30 rounds to hunt, you must suck at shooting.
3. You own a gun b/c you have a small penis.
1. AR-15's are military type weapons that are made for nothing more than killing people.
2. If you need 30 rounds to hunt, you must suck at shooting.
3. You own a gun b/c you have a small penis.
Read recently on FB that only "cousin ****ers" want ARs. My reply to her was that with such a well articulated argument it's a wonder your side hasn't prevailed.
Have y'all seen this guy? Can someone explain the "left" handed AR?https://www.facebook.com/100007513365065/videos/1993503840910042/
Also, he can't keep his fingers off the trigger.
Have y'all seen this guy? Can someone explain the "left" handed AR?https://www.facebook.com/100007513365065/videos/1993503840910042/
The image seems reversed, look at his sweatshirt logo. I believe it is supposed to say “CITY”.
“The risk of gun injury in the home goes up with guns present.”
The image seems reversed, look at his sweatshirt logo. I believe it is supposed to say “CITY”.
Good catch, the whole thing is strange.
Good catch, the whole thing is strange.
I’m not sure why it would be though, I could see a processing error with actual film stock however not if it’s a digital media.
Read recently on FB that only "cousin ****ers" want ARs. My reply to her was that with such a well articulated argument it's a wonder your side hasn't prevailed.
Which is the truth. It's damn near impossible to have an intelligent conversation with these people b/c the second they don't agree with what you say, they start throwing out insults. They'd rather fight with you than try to work with you and come up with any kind of solution.
Which is the truth. It's damn near impossible to have an intelligent conversation with these people b/c the second they don't agree with what you say, they start throwing out insults. They'd rather fight with you than try to work with you and come up with any kind of solution.
They are so emotional that when you "attack" their ideas they take it personally. My best friend has an extremely liberal, gay aunt, after some recent FB post dealing with this topic she sent him a private message asking why he was attacking her and that he should seek some counseling.
They are so emotional that when you "attack" their ideas they take it personally. My best friend has an extremely liberal, gay aunt, after some recent FB post dealing with this topic she sent him a private message asking why he was attacking her and that he should seek some counseling.
Crazy, but it doesn't surprise me. It seems that most liberals see no reason for balanced, equal, and fair application of their notions. I don't think they have any real principles. Just a goal to hurt and harm ideological enemies.
Hey just found an honest one on FB: "So instead, we all get to live in fear of getting gunned down by a madman with a combat weapon because he "hears voices" or felt bullied or whatever. Frankly, I'd prefer tyranny."
Hey just found an honest one on FB: "So instead, we all get to live in fear of getting gunned down by a madman with a combat weapon because he "hears voices" or felt bullied or whatever. Frankly, I'd prefer tyranny."
In my opinion, if they prefer tyranny, that means that they would rather live in fear of being gunned down by the government.
They say “tyranny” because it’s their extremist emotional response to silence you. They actually thing tyranny is their utopian business as usual just without guns. Six year olds use the same tactics. “If I have to eat my veggies, I’m going to kill myself.”
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This one currently fits.
LMT Shooter
02-20-18, 19:35
Have y'all seen this guy? Can someone explain the "left" handed AR?https://www.facebook.com/100007513365065/videos/1993503840910042/
Look at the logo on his shirt, it's backwards, too. The video is all a mirror image.
Whoops, I thought I was on the last page looking at the most recent post.
Heard this one today:
“No politician has ever said anything ever about banning handguns and hunting rifles.”
Then they equated universal background checks to voter ID laws.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-20-18, 22:33
Heard this one today:
“No politician has ever said anything ever about banning handguns and hunting rifles.”
Then they equated universal background checks to voter ID laws.
So the chants of 'No More Guns"? The Denver City Counciltwit saying she wanted a magazine limit of "Zero"?
So the chants of 'No More Guns"? The Denver City Counciltwit saying she wanted a magazine limit of "Zero"?
At that point I knew the person was willfully ignorant, because they didn’t want to hear the evidence.
The leftist/Marxist playbook is wide open now. The average person should know what they are after.
Moose-Knuckle
02-21-18, 19:39
Yet no stats on "car violence" as it's not a term anyone uses. If you did, they'd instantly point out it's not the car causing the violence.
No one blames the gun when a LEO shoots someone.....;)
voiceofreason
02-21-18, 20:31
Give Marco Rubio credit for standing and taking the hits. I didn't like the guy, but he's taking the lumps.
Give Marco Rubio credit for standing and taking the hits. I didn't like the guy, but he's taking the lumps.
Maybe e-mail or call his office and let them know. They keep track of stuff like that.
Averageman
02-21-18, 21:00
I'm not getting the same vibe with Rubio.
Everyone blames the gun, no one is asking why a 19 year old, who displayed so many warning signs allowed to slip through the cracks?
Blaming the gun is a cop out.
He's seeming very willing to compromise your rights in order to of that stage right now.
wildcard600
02-21-18, 21:10
reading the play by play in a discord that i am part of. Sounds like Rubio entertaining a magazine ban ?
He just either committed political suicide or needs to start running as a democrat.
Averageman
02-21-18, 21:24
reading the play by play in a discord that i am part of. Sounds like Rubio entertaining a magazine ban ?
He just either committed political suicide or needs to start running as a democrat.
He's sweating like a guy who's girl friend just grabbed an EPT off the grocery store shelf.
No one blames the gun when a LEO shoots someone.....;)
Im actually impressed... i hadnt caught that.
Heard this one today:
“No politician has ever said anything ever about banning handguns and hunting rifles.”
Then they equated universal background checks to voter ID laws.
I hope you told them an AR-15 is a very popular hunting rifle?
Averageman
02-21-18, 21:37
The Sheriff seems very adept at blaming the guns instead of being able to explain how this guy remained off of the list of prohibited gun buyers.
Disregard reality, blame the gun, shift any possible responsibility.
He's obviously a highly political.
I hope you told them an AR-15 is a very popular hunting rifle?
Did.
Caught them in their double bind. They days “don’t ban hunting rifles only assault rifles.” I asked them why they didn’t want to ban something they did want to ban. They changed the subject to “ban weapons designed to kill.” Which is, again, hunting.
the left are just like the leaders they worship Mao and Stalin and Hitler mass murderers with excuses to why its OK to butcher innocent humans even hold parades and parties over it and all justified by the sick minds
the fact the left supports and praises the killing of around 2000 babies each day and say its empowering and its brave etc.... !!!! mentally ill does not even start to describe them
5.56 Bonded SP
02-22-18, 01:36
I haven't posted much lately, so forgive me if a post like this has already been floating around. I looked, but did not see any main topic along the lines I wish to touch upon.
I'm almost 30, so I consider myself still young, but I wanted to share my point of view regarding this current political climate. I hope that it is not received the wrong way, because I did in fact swear an Oath, and I consider myself an Oathkeeper/3%er. I have been a complete '' gun nut '' for a very long time.
Lets rewind back to sandy hook, it feels like so long ago. I remember feeling the panic very badly. I bought an AR(m&p), an AK (n-pap), and a pistol (m&p). Ironically, I don't own any of those three guns anymore, instead I own many much better guns :cool: For the next few years I debated liberals on gun politics, lost friends over politics, stocked up on ammo, and fought tooth and nail to do '' everything I could ''. The amount of money I spent on gun stuff over the next few years following sandy hook could have bought me a brand new truck. In fact, it was pretty much irresponsible. Not only did I invest a lot of money, but I invested a lot of emotion. As some say, Obama was the best gun salesman we ever had. Political view became my biggest judgement about a person, if I knew they were a liberal I basically hated them ( I still find it difficult to look past a persons inner commie, but I just try to accept the fact they are ignorant ).
Then at some point recently, I started to grow a little older, and feel a little more serenity. Of course I will never have enough guns, even though realistically I will probably never shoot enough ammo to burn all those barrels. However, I don't feel the need to drop money on my credit card. I haven't bought a gun since the Colt Trooper deals back in November.
So what am I trying to get at here?
Instead of focusing on politics, I have got back into other hobbies, and I am honestly much happier. I get out in the sun, camp, ride bikes, socialize, and basically stopped working overtime so that I could enjoy as much of my personal life as I could. It's amazing how peaceful a cold beer next to a campfire in the middle of no where can make you feel. I haven't spent much time talking gun politics with any aside a few close friends. I only find it worth my effort to educate those who are actually worth saving. The left wing commies, most are too far gone, arguing with most of them is pointless, we will never change their commie gender fluid hearts. The key is having reasonable conversations with people in your personal lives outside of social media
People are like brick walls behind computer and phone screens, debating with the enemy is usually just time wasted on negative energy. They won't change our mind, and we probably won't change theirs. However, if you have some left leaning person in your personal life, and you convert them that can actually have a domino effect. Just remember, being an ass hole on social media will only reinforce their commie beliefs. We need to play the long game.
I'm not buying ammo and guns right now; I'm not feeling very frantic even though our president just stabbed us in the back. I'm just trying to do what I can to enjoy life, because in the end that is what I believe is one of the most important aspects of life here in the USA, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. One of the biggest middle fingers we can give the commies right now, is to laugh at their bullshit.
In no way am I suggesting that we give up in any sense, on the contrary, I feel comfort knowing that at least 50% of America feels the same way I and most of you do about our constitutional rights. There is hope, and all is not lost. This will sound corny, but I have a similar attitude as the book ( the secret ) on this, which is if we have the right mindset and energy about this the outcome will be of our liking.
Anyway, I guess all I am saying is that everything is going to be alright, and that panic buying is not going to help anyone. Pick up another hobby, and try to find more balance in your lives. For me, my life was centered around guns for years, and it's nice to have found balance again. I still bring guns out to the desert every week or two, now I just bring my bike, some camping gear, the dogs, and or friends with me.
Hopefully that message came out clear.
On a side note, I was one of the #MAGA Trump supporters, and now I am truly eating some humble pie. What a shame he just stabbed the foundation of his voter base in the back. I'm not worried though, my guns will always belong to myself or my children, and the only way they will be taken will be from cold dead hands.
Like I said, the best the to do, the best middle finger we can give the commies is to laugh at their bleeding strawman hearts.
Well said, I went through a very similar experience as you, post Sandy Hook and came out with very similar thoughts / attitudes on the other end.
I’ve dropped all social networks aside from Instagram and also stopped spending money I didn’t really have on panic purchases. I found I enjoy shooting a lot more these days as well as the other hobbies I lost track of for a couple of years. I don’t waste my time arguing with “lost” people over the interwebz or in person any more as well.
I will support every effort out there that looks to preserve our God given rights, but at the same time, I’m not going to allow others to have a negative effect over my life if they refuse to listen.
We all need to focus on educating “non gun” types as well as rebuffing the vast amount of misinformation being spread by the media. But if someone doesn’t want to listen, I can’t make them. From a political perspective it’s on all of us to ensure we throw our support behind pro-liberty politicians and be sure to hold them accountable to us, their base. I will continue to do all of these things, but at the same time, I’m going to enjoy life and time with my family and friends.
Good post, not sure how it will be received, but i found it to be refreshing and relevant in the midst of all the craziness going on again.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
02-22-18, 08:30
The Sheriff seems very adept at blaming the guns instead of being able to explain how this guy remained off of the list of prohibited gun buyers.
Disregard reality, blame the gun, shift any possible responsibility.
He's obviously a highly political.
The NRA was furthest from culpability for this act and it takes the greatest amount of heat. There were failures from his family, the one that took him in, the school, the child protective services, the local LEOs, the FBI and the major vitriol is aimed at the NRA.
Everyone seems to totally ignore the fact that the guy who actually did that is cooling his heels in prison. Usually these guys off themselves. Everyone talks about him in the third person and like he is some non-involved actor. I'm all for not giving him celebrity, but totally ignoring him is crazy. I didn't see one person actually blame HIM for the act.
This is crazy.
RetroRevolver77
02-22-18, 10:47
It's the same narrative each time, government fails to do it's job removing an obvious threat and then uses the emotional leverage from whatever ensuing tragedy to strip the people of their freedoms.
Moose-Knuckle
02-22-18, 14:59
It's the same narrative each time, government fails to do it's job removing an obvious threat and then uses the emotional leverage from whatever ensuing tragedy to strip the people of their freedoms.
You couldn't script a PSYOP any better.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-23-18, 00:42
The interesting thing on this one is arming of teachers. The main thrust I've seen seems to based around the idea that the teachers would be forced to carry guns. Haven't really seen that as a real world proposal. It seems like a straw man argument. Who knows how crazy the left is, but after the cop stood outside in the this shooting, it is hard to talk about depending on the cops.
The_War_Wagon
02-23-18, 08:26
That's soooo 90's...........
And I was born in the '60's - what of it? :sarcastic:
Speaking of libtards & their propaganda...
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/cause%20o-death_zpsq7zdhyxm.jpg
I hope they have a game plan for out-of-control hammers, fists, & malpracticing doctors!
And I'd also like them to do something about all those General Motors products that CAUSE drunk driving! :rolleyes:
Doc Safari
02-23-18, 11:52
http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2018/02/23/enterprise-rent-car-no-discounts-nra-members/
Enterprise Rent-a-Car will cease offering discounts to NRA members, it announced late Thursday afternoon.
They are one of the numerous companies against which PR campaigns have been launched to pressure separation from the NRA.
For example, Think Progress suggested there are “at least 22 corporations that the NRA says offer incentives to NRA members.”
Ed Krassenstein was more specific, listing names of some of the companies:
Ed Krassenstein 💎
@EdKrassen
These companies have business relationships w/ the @NRA@Fedex @TrueCar @Hertz @Avis @Budget @LifeLock @Enterprise @Alamo @NationalCares @life_line @NortonOnline @alliedvl @SimpliSafe @starkeycares @Manageurid @eHealth @Teladoc @northAmericanVL
My take: Let's show all involved just what clout we have in the marketplace. Oooh-yah!
Enterprise was crap compared to Hertz for me anyways.
Never gave em a dollar, won't now.
Enterprise has always treated me well, but that relationship just ended. It's funny because I'm sitting here booking flights for my wife and daughter, plus another trip for myself. Both which would have required a week's car rental. They basically pissed away $750.
Enterprise has always treated me well, but that relationship just ended. It's funny because I'm sitting here booking flights for my wife and daughter, plus another trip for myself. Both which would have required a week's car rental. They basically pissed away $750.
Now, if they'd dropped the NRA and picked up GOA.. I would have been happy.
http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2018/02/23/enterprise-rent-car-no-discounts-nra-members/
My take: Let's show all involved just what clout we have in the marketplace. Oooh-yah!
I saw that last night, and duly noted it in my black list. Add my name to the list that will hit them where it hurts them worst, in their daily sales.
Moose-Knuckle
02-23-18, 15:44
So I've been entrenched on bookface since this latest propaganda blitz and heard an argument from an anti that I had never heard before....
He explained to me the reason why Chicago has such a "gun problem" even though they have the strictest gun control is that the neighboring states do not have gun control and the murderers simply cross state lines to buy their firearms they use in crimes.
He went ghost on me when I asked him how these felons (many of which are minors) legally purchase a firearm from a gun dealer, fill out a 4473, and has NICS checks run on them. I'm pretty sure he had never heard of a 4473 or NICS check before. :rolleyes:
So I've been entrenched on bookface since this latest propaganda blitz and heard an argument from an anti that I had never heard before....
He explained to me the reason why Chicago has such a "gun problem" even though they have the strictest gun control is that the neighboring states do not have gun control and the murderers simply cross state lines to buy their firearms they use in crimes.
He went ghost on me when I asked him how these felons (many of which are minors) legally purchase a firearm from a gun dealer, fill out a 4473, and has NICS checks run on them. I'm pretty sure he had never heard of a 4473 or NICS check before. :rolleyes:
That was an argument used by both Hillary and Sanders during the election. He’s just repeating the propaganda without setting any verifiable evidence of gun running much less legal transfers in neighboring states that end up in gang activity.
Moose-Knuckle
02-23-18, 16:43
That was an argument used by both Hillary and Sanders during the election. He’s just repeating the propaganda without setting any verifiable evidence of gun running much less legal transfers in neighboring states that end up in gang activity.
Thanks for that as I didn't listen to the opposition during the election.
Just more regurgitated propaganda, figures.
Doc Safari
02-23-18, 17:14
More:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/23/8223551/
MetLife and Symantec cyber-security announced Friday they are ending discount programs with the NRA and NRA members.
Enterprise has always treated me well, but that relationship just ended. It's funny because I'm sitting here booking flights for my wife and daughter, plus another trip for myself. Both which would have required a week's car rental. They basically pissed away $750.
Pretty much.
Moose-Knuckle
02-23-18, 17:44
I wonder if these companies give out discounts to employees of the FBI considering they let the mass murderer slip through their fingers?
NRA members get discounts? Never knew. I guess that’s what happens when you don’t give them your phone number.
I guess these companies thought NRA members were in it for the bargains because the 2nd Amendment is no more than a financial benefit.
PatrioticDisorder
02-23-18, 18:16
I’m hearing the term, “weapons of war” a good bit.
I’m hearing the term, “weapons of war” a good bit.
"Military grade" is always the best of the bunch for max stupid and that's getting used a good bit.
Crow Hunter
02-23-18, 18:51
Waited on the phone for nearly 1/2 an hour to cancel my NRA credit card.
Hopefully, it is because there are so many other people canceling their cards.
I made sure I mentioned that I was an NRA member and I wanted my card canceled and that I hoped the reason I was on the phone wait was so long was because lots of others were canceling as well. Hope that was on a recorded line.
The lady sounded very put upon. Probably because I mentioned I was an NRA member and hopefully because they are wearing her out canceling.
Hope they choke on it.
I’m hearing the term, “weapons of war” a good bit.
Always got me. You know what else were weapons of war?
Bolt actions
Pump shotguns
Bows
Swords
Knives
Blowguns
Ban. Then. All.
I was just going through my FNRA stuff and found a PILE of NRA stickers. Seeing how EVERY national car rental company has now made a political statement by dropping the NRA discount, I am going to start tagging all the rental cars I use this year with an NRA sticker :D
"We don't want to take your guns, we just want to be like England and Australia......"
:stop:
Exactly!
I was just going through my FNRA stuff and found a PILE of NRA stickers. Seeing how EVERY national car rental company has now made a political statement by dropping the NRA discount, I am going to start tagging all the rental cars I use this year with an NRA sticker :D
need a like button :)
An Undocumented Worker
02-25-18, 19:45
This claim I saw posted today really ground my gears because as far as I am aware rate of twist has no effect on terminal ballistics.
The engineer who designed the M-16 which was publicly marketed as the AR-15 explained:
The number and spacing of twists in the rifling is purposeful and done to imitate hollow point bullets after they where banned by the Geneva convention.
The rifle is designed to cause bullets to penetrate and then tumble causing maximum damage and kill.
This claim I saw posted today really ground my gears because as far as I am aware rate of twist has no effect on terminal ballistics.
Yup. Non assult-weapons dont have spacing between the rifling. No one needs deadly hollowpoints for hunting, and because they are banned they do the next best thing with assult rifle twist-exploding bullets.
:suicide2:
The_War_Wagon
02-25-18, 21:50
Sorry - I can't post what liberals use for propaganda - I can't be forced to care what they think. I just like crushing their souls, and lubing my rifles with their tears.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/tard_zpshtfvw0zk.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/tide%20ride_zpsdv2xy5jg.jpg
I'm getting tired of the term "they need to change THE law!"
Oh go on! Exactly which one single law are you talking about? I promise you, even as gun owners ourselves we would all appreciate and agree to any one single law that would positively stop all gun violence.
A gun grab won't work.
More security won't work.
Armed teachers would cause us to lose teachers.
Raising the age to buy a gun won't work. When did you sneak your first beer? You waited til 21, right?
Harsher background checks will still leave room for something to slip through the cracks.
Stopping the production of AR-15's won't help. There are already millions out there, of which all (sans a couple) have caused no harm to anyone.
I could keep going. Please tell us this ONE Magical law that would end this crap. Please, I bet we'd find a way to make it happen.
This claim I saw posted today really ground my gears because as far as I am aware rate of twist has no effect on terminal ballistics.
or the bullets are designed to go in and bounce all over the place and travel through the body and create a huge hole when they come out
BoringGuy45
02-26-18, 11:16
or the bullets are designed to go in and bounce all over the place and travel through the body and create a huge hole when they come out
I've heard that one a lot about the 5.56: Get shot in the chest, and the bullet will come out the back of your leg.
The one I hate the most is when they ask "why do you need an AR15," or a gun at all. Like baseball bats are really effective when a bad guy comes in with a gun...
MY favorite media hysteria. :rolleyes:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/helenlovejoy.jpg
This one is the worst.
Do they think that we don't have children ourselves, that we want to protect??? With our guns?
The one I hate the most is when they ask "why do you need an AR15," or a gun at all. Like baseball bats are really effective when a bad guy comes in with a gun...
This one is the worst.
Do they think that we don't have children ourselves, that we want to protect??? With our guns?
Or children that want to defend themselves.
There was the 15yr old in TX who fended off inteuders with an AR.
Plenty of 18-20 yr old want to protect themselves and families as well. According to some, they are children too:rolleyes:
The one I hate the most is when they ask "why do you need an AR15," or a gun at all. Like baseball bats are really effective when a bad guy comes in with a gun...
This one is the worst.
Do they think that we don't have children ourselves, that we want to protect??? With our guns?
2000 babies a day are butchered the left thinks this is empowering and good etc..
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