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Wolf.545 x .39
03-30-18, 14:23
I have both and I like both very much. Both run flawless but I've only put 500 rounds through the Colt. The Colt is only 15 months from when I bought it new. I bought a Saiga AK 74 11 years ago. I think the AK 74 produces more damage than the AR15 when using fmj rounds. I'm talking about 7n6 5.45x.39 ammo versus M855. If a guy was breaking in my house I would feel confident with either rifle. Right now Im wondering should I get another AK or AR. Any guys here that love the AK74 and use it as their go to rifle??
Love my 74s but I have plenty of ARs. Overall everything is easier with an AR. Parts, accessories, fixing, ammo availability, red dots...etc.
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Again with this stuff?
Full moon tomorrow night.....just sayin'
RetroRevolver77
03-30-18, 15:40
I don't think anyone who actually gets shot would ponder the differences of various performance from one round versus another.
A sucking chest wound or arterial bleed out would put the damper on a lot of shenanigans either way.
Inkslinger
03-30-18, 15:43
You should get a job and quit starting threads that are basically the same nonsense over and over again.
Wolf.545 x .39
03-30-18, 16:13
You should get a job and quit starting threads that are basically the same nonsense over and over again.
Its easy to say if you don't expierence chronic pain but being a chronic pain patient has kept me out of the workforce. I'm just gonna buy one more rifle and I'll be happy.
I don't think anyone who actually gets shot would ponder the differences of various performance from one round versus another.
A sucking chest wound or arterial bleed out would put the damper on a lot of shenanigans either way.
Yeah but I like the fact that the AK is just more reliable.
Yeah but I like the fact that the AK is just more reliable.
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It's not.
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Don’t come to a place called M4Carbine and yak about the superiority of the AK74.
Wolf.545 x .39
03-30-18, 16:38
Don’t come to a place called M4Carbine and yak about the superiority of the AK74.
I wasn't downing the M4. Thats what I got next to my bed. Maybe I get another Colt. Not for a few months will I decide on what platform.
Pick one, roll with it. When you decide to go fight in a bog or swamp then worry about reliability
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I wasn't downing the M4. Thats what I got next to my bed. Maybe I get another Colt. Not for a few months will I decide on what platform.
What sort of reaction did you expect get? Honest question.
Pick one, roll with it. When you decide to go shoot the riflethen worry about reliability
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Fify!
RetroRevolver77
03-30-18, 18:09
I wasn't downing the M4. Thats what I got next to my bed. Maybe I get another Colt. Not for a few months will I decide on what platform.
Because in a post apocalyptic world without lube- the AK can use sand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8hFZ7Jt2hQ
Wolf.545 x .39
03-30-18, 18:27
But I live in Pennsylvania. There are a lot of creeks with mud. However I'm 48 with knee and back pain so I wouldn't last in the woods. In the city is what I prepare for. Absolutely a post apocalyptic scenario can happen. A nuclear device going off in NYC or other cities. We have alot of threats these days.i
But I live in Pennsylvania. There are a lot of creeks with mud. However I'm 48 with knee and back pain so I wouldn't last in the woods. In the city is what I prepare for. Absolutely a post aypocalyptic scenario can happen. A nuclear device going off in NYC or other cities. We have alot of threats these days.
Oh FFS......
Pa has more clay then mud. Why you see all those trees falling after 1' of snow.
Allentown isn't exactly know for "woods" unless you count 3 trees on the same street!
Youre better off actually shooting and getting hands on experience then contemplating which one has .00000000001 more reliability
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Wolf.545 x .39
03-30-18, 18:43
Well alot of tree's go down in the cemetery and parks. But I don't plan on staying there. I just got to gain more expierence with my Colt.
But I live in Pennsylvania. There are a lot of creeks with mud. However I'm 48 with knee and back pain so I wouldn't last in the woods. In the city is what I prepare for. Absolutely a post aypocalyptic scenario can happen. A nuclear device going off in NYC or other cities. We have alot of threats these days.
If worried about mud then get use the AR. InrangeTV tested both, the AR ran, the AK limped. Lesson here, go educate yourself, and go shoot the ****ing gun. Then again, if you never shoot it then you don't ever have to worry about malfs.
As far as a nuke in NYC, in Allentown I wouldn't be overly concerned, the yield you'd need to worry about fallout would mean if detonated at ground level would mean you'd be dead anyway. And if worried about post Apocalypse bullshit, then you need to serious stop worrying about guns and go to food, water, and medical supplies and making your abode a hard target. Guns are only a part of that shit, and it would require you again, actually shooting the ****ing things.
If worried about mud then get use the AR. InrangeTV tested both, the AR ran, the AK limped. Lesson here, go educate yourself, and go shoot the ****ing gun. Then again, if you never shoot it then you don't ever have to worry about malfs.
As far as a nuke in NYC, in Allentown I wouldn't be overly concerned, the yield you'd need to worry about fallout would mean if detonated at ground level would mean you'd be dead anyway. And if worried about post Apocalypse bullshit, then you need to serious stop worrying about guns and go to food, water, and medical supplies and making your abode a hard target. Guns are only a part of that shit, and it would require you again, actually shooting the ****ing things.I was going to post that but I don't want to start a A vs B thread. It typically devolves into the. ...one time in band camp ...
Spend the Colt money on ammo before it disappears or gets more expensive. You can only shoot one at a time. Even going Rambo you still can't shoot 3 at once. So ditch the idea of another AR and stock up on mags and ammo.... especially ammo.
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I was going to post that but I don't want to start a A vs B thread. It typically devolves into the. ...one time in band camp ...
Spend the Colt money on ammo before it disappears or gets more expensive. You can only shoot one at a time. Even going Rambo you still can't shoot 3 at once. So ditch the idea of another AR and stock up on mags and ammo.... especially ammo.
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Oh, it been done to death, the smart money will tell you that if the guns are quality, well maintained, there isn't enough of a difference to matter for 90%+ of those out there, and most can't shoot hte guns to their accuracy potential anyway, and then it devolved into dick measuring. And you believe me, I'm waiting for this thread to be taken out behind the woodshed.
I just find it amusing that someone wants to argue reliability when they haven't shot the ****ing thing.
Anyway, to throw a massive wrench in the works, the top four guns I've seen malf and fail, in no particular order, Glocks, AKs, 1911s, and ARs. Chew on that.
Anyway, to throw a massive wrench in the works, the top four guns I've seen malf and fail, in no particular order, Glocks, AKs, 1911s, and ARs. Chew on that.
Yea but that doesn't mean shit. Who ****ed with the Glock? What 3rd world country did the AR parts come from? And who took Bubba's advise on building a 1911?
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Yea but that doesn't mean shit. Who ****ed with the Glock? What 3rd world country did the AR parts come from? And who took Bubba's advise on building a 1911?
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If you shoot enough you will get malfunctions. I've had bone stock glocks that have done strange shit, had a 19 recently try to kick it's slide down range during a one handed manipulation for example. Not that old, nor that hard abused. Also seen a glock break the frame rails in under 50 rounds. Manufacturing issue, hence why you vet the gun, IE shoot it. I mean, yeah, I've seen loads of home brewed ARs and 1911s got tits up, shody made AKs that weren't worth their scrap value, and glocks that were little better than doggy chew toys that were all piles of shit. But, I've seen plenty enough malfs in a stock glock, in AKs, in ARs, and 1911s. Now, for the ones not home brewed or ****ed with, Mags were probably 50% of the issue, after that the other 40% were lack of PM, ammo, or just wear. The rest operator error. But, the point remains I've seen plenty of malfs from all of them.
You guys are going off topic. The question remains- which is more reliable after a nuclear apocalyptic zombie attack- a never fired Colt chained to a radiator or a never fired Ak74 hidden under the mattress? Or maybe just a third, brand new AK74??
If you shoot enough you will get malfunctions. I've had bone stock glocks that have done strange shit, had a 19 recently try to kick it's slide down range during a one handed manipulation for example. Not that old, nor that hard abused. Also seen a glock break the frame rails in under 50 rounds. Manufacturing issue, hence why you vet the gun, IE shoot it. I mean, yeah, I've seen loads of home brewed ARs and 1911s got tits up, shody made AKs that weren't worth their scrap value, and glocks that were little better than doggy chew toys that were all piles of shit. But, I've seen plenty enough malfs in a stock glock, in AKs, in ARs, and 1911s. Now, for the ones not home brewed or ****ed with, Mags were probably 50% of the issue, after that the other 40% were lack of PM, ammo, or just wear. The rest operator error. But, the point remains I've seen plenty of malfs from all of them.There's also the fact that those are some of the most popular guns....meaning larger sample size leading to a greater chance of a malfunction
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You guys are going off topic. The question remains- which is more reliable after a nuclear apocalyptic zombie attack- a never fired Colt chained to a radiator or a never fired Ak74 hidden under the mattress? Or maybe just a third, brand new AK74??
Well if the zombie prophet Max Brooks is to believed then the M1 Carbine is the gun for the job. If you live in the states though an AR makes more sense across the board.
You guys are going off topic. The question remains- which is more reliable after a nuclear apocalyptic zombie attack- a never fired Colt chained to a radiator or a never fired Ak74 hidden under the mattress? Or maybe just a third, brand new AK74??Obviously the best is the new unchained HiPoint carbine
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RetroRevolver77
03-30-18, 20:24
I'll be taking either a 5.56 AK or AUG into a SHTF world.
Wolf.545 x .39
03-30-18, 20:24
I was going to post that but I don't want to start a A vs B thread. It typically devolves into the. ...one time in band camp ...
Spend the Colt money on ammo before it disappears or gets more expensive. You can only shoot one at a time. Even going Rambo you still can't shoot 3 at once. So ditch the idea of another AR and stock up on mags and ammo.... especially ammo.
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Thats what I've been doing. I get caught up in that 2 is 1 thing. 2 of everything. Guys that criticize me don't know how I'm into shooting! All my mags are loaded!
Inkslinger
03-30-18, 20:37
Thats what I've been doing. I get caught up in that 2 is 1 thing. 2 of everything. Guys that criticize me don't know how I'm into shooting! All my mags are loaded!
A guy who has a rifle for a year and a half without firing it is not “into shooting”. If you’re are currently receiving government assistance, you do not need or deserve anymore firearms. You have a pistol and a rifle, you’re good, we’ve bought you enough. Stop wasting our money and bandwidth.
Wolf.545 x .39
03-30-18, 21:23
A guy who has a rifle for a year and a half without firing it is not “into shooting”. If you’re are currently receiving government assistance, you do not need or deserve anymore firearms. You have a pistol and a rifle, you’re good, we’ve bought you enough. Stop wasting our money and bandwidth.
Your one ''Sweet'' guy pal. I'm just glad I'm not you. Pitiful!!! I've done more for the 2nd Ammendment than you ever dreamed of doing. Your a punk! Go judge yourself. I bet its really bad. I've paid more taxes sweety pie to the government than you ever did. You need Zoloft or something.
You guys are making some pretty broad assumptions about eachother.
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Taking a few steps back. If I understand correctly, Wolf 5.45x39, you have a Colt 6920 that you have owned for over a year but never fired.
Why is this?
He said "but I've only put 500 rounds through the Colt. The Colt is only 15 months from when I bought it new". Sounds like he fired it to me, unless I'm missing something.
Wolf.545 x .39, I'd say that you have your bases covered with both rifles. If you think a home invasion is a real possibility, I'd suggest spending that money on a decent monitored alarm system. That way nobody can get the jump on you. I'd follow that with more ammo and time shooting it at the range. Most of all, have fun when you're not in pain.
Kalash9305
03-31-18, 00:18
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I played golf with that dude in Malibu few years ago.
He's cool as ****.
He did not say anything about owning a -74 however ... :cool:
I have, and shoot both. They both work well, but for me the Colt 6920/M4 has better ergos, easier mounting of optics, better mag release, etc. I know it has all been said before. I have never had a stoppage with my M4, I have had them with the 74. I know anecdotal, so not very meaningful, but for me the M4 is a working gun, the 74 is a range gun. If my Colt were to go down, the next rifle I'd pick up is one of my Russian SKS's, and a bunch of rounds on stripper clips.
Guys, dial back the attacks. We are all on the same team. This is one of the scenarios where if you don’t have something nice to say, just don’t say anything at all. As for owning rifles you don’t shoot, I have some rifles for shooting (and they get used), some that are backups that are squirreled away, and some that are pseudo safe queens that are for collecting and occasional shooting. I like having a personal reference collection. Meat hunting vs. trophy hunting.
Let’s not malign the guy for only putting 500 rounds through his 6920 in 15 months. There are myriad reasons why it may not be feasible for many people to shoot frequently.
As to the question re: 6920 vs 74, that is such a personal decision I believe it can only be made by the end user. Personally I’m not an AK guy unless that AK is Swiss (SIG 551/552/553) or Belgian(FNC). The ballistics of 7n6 to me are offset by the fact that it is imported and thus subject to drying upon the future. Couple this with the availability of many high quality barrier blind 5.56 options, the 5.56 is the clear winner. Unless you just want another 74 for collecting and shooting, the Colt 6920 wins. Better ergos, parts availability, optic mounting, sighting options, stock/grip/fore-end options, and ability to perform armorer level maintenance easily at home, among others.
Wolf.545 x .39
03-31-18, 10:02
He said "but I've only put 500 rounds through the Colt. The Colt is only 15 months from when I bought it new". Sounds like he fired it to me, unless I'm missing something.
Wolf.545 x .39, I'd say that you have your bases covered with both rifles. If you think a home invasion is a real possibility, I'd suggest spending that money on a decent monitored alarm system. That way nobody can get the jump on you. I'd follow that with more ammo and time shooting it at the range. Most of all, have fun when you're not in pain.
I'm in trouble physically although I can walk fine. Knee and spine problems so its another reason I'm taking up shooting. Being active helps my pain. But I did put 500 rounds through my Colt. I'm in poverty on disability and have to find a job where I'm sitting. Don't need sympathy. I've been rich and now poor. I'm happier now. But your right I'm easy to get the jump on but I keep my G22 on my bed in a holster. I recently locked the AR15 up. What I do need is a very good safe. An alarm would be great as I just lost my 100 lb 9 year old German Shepard 2 month ago. He was a protection dog.
Guys, dial back the attacks. We are all on the same team. This is one of the scenarios where if you don’t have something nice to say, just don’t say anything at all. As for owning rifles you don’t shoot, I have some rifles for shooting (and they get used), some that are backups that are squirreled away, and some that are pseudo safe queens that are for collecting and occasional shooting. I like having a personal reference collection. Meat hunting vs. trophy hunting.
Let’s not malign the guy for only putting 500 rounds through his 6920 in 15 months. There are myriad reasons why it may not be feasible for many people to shoot frequently.
As to the question re: 6920 vs 74, that is such a personal decision I believe it can only be made by the end user. Personally I’m not an AK guy unless that AK is Swiss (SIG 551/552/553) or Belgian(FNC). The ballistics of 7n6 to me are offset by the fact that it is imported and thus subject to drying upon the future. Couple this with the availability of many high quality barrier blind 5.56 options, the 5.56 is the clear winner. Unless you just want another 74 for collecting and shooting, the Colt 6920 wins. Better ergos, parts availability, optic mounting, sighting options, stock/grip/fore-end options, and ability to perform armorer level maintenance easily at home, among others.
Yeah the plus for the AR is the interchangeability of parts. When an AK barrel goes it needs a special machine shop. Maybe the guns get thrown away. I got 400 rounds of TBBC and now looking for practice ammo.
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