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I ordered this:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-13-5-lightweight-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-ch-mbus-sight-set-5165447592.html
Got this:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-13-5-lightweight-keymod-upper-with-nickel-boron-bcg-ch-516447592.html
Here is the comparison:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/catalog/product_compare/index/
So there was a whole thing about them messing up the SKU but I "was getting a better deal because of the BCG" I'm not an expert and just wanted the damn mbus sights. My FFL got them to make things right and give me,the mbus sights I had wanted.
With that said is the "mistake" upper better, on par, worse than what I had originally chosen? I did a side by side and noticed differences that I don't fully understand. Also, this is keymod not mlok...
They both are budget uppers, 6 one way, half dozen the other.
Add ammo and shoot it.
PSA is kind of a $hit show, I once ordered and paid for 2 Aimpoint Pros but only received 1, in a shipping box that could only hold 1. They made it right but are never fast to do so.
They also sent me 30-06 ammo once instead of 308 which I ordered - to be fair the boxes were nearly identical. I tried to get them to make it right, but after a month I sold the ammo for no loss (after telling them I was going to do it). 2 month later PSA asked if I could return the ammo...
Overall I rarely buy from them due to issues like this unless it is a killer deal.
After dealing with the overgassing issue that plagues my 11.5" PSA upper, I don't want to buy them anymore. Gunna stick to building out uppers with known gas port sizes.
I had zero issues with my shipment and got it fast, but I have only made one purchase.
ETA: After further review I see some issues.
So, you got the Nickle Boron BCG and such, right? You traded that for your chrome-moly barrel.
Not sure which you prefer, but your purchase was with a chrom moly vanadiun barrel. The one you received is 4150V.
I don't know enough to say which is best. The one you ordered was melonite finished, the one your received is nitride finished. If I recall, both are nitrocarburized processes. Once more, not enough experience to say which is best. But you are getting different build materials.
4150v is chrome moly vanadium.
After dealing with the overgassing issue that plagues my 11.5" PSA upper, I don't want to buy them anymore. Gunna stick to building out uppers with known gas port sizes.
I had zero issues with my shipment and got it fast, but I have only made one purchase.
ETA: After further review I see some issues.
So, you got the Nickle Boron BCG and such, right? You traded that for your chrome-moly barrel.
Not sure which you prefer, but your purchase was with a chrom moly vanadiun barrel. The one you received is 4150V.
I don't know enough to say which is best. The one you ordered was melonite finished, the one your received is nitride finished. If I recall, both are nitrocarburized processes. Once more, not enough experience to say which is best. But you are getting different build materials.
If I understand correctly, I probably don't, a CMV barrel could actually be 4140 with Vanadium added = 4140V. It is also possible that PSA just used different descriptions.
Adding Vanadium to an alloy increases it's strength and wear resistance - once of the reasons it is used in tools.
Both 4140 and 4150 have essentially the same range of Chromium and Molybdenum in their composition. 4150 has slightly more Carbon in its composition than 4150.
4150 is generally considered to be a steel for barrels than 4140.
I would also note that the upper without the sights, the one with the barrel listed as 4150V, also has a bolt made of 9103 rather than C-198, for what it's worth.
So at the end of the day is it worth getting pissed off amd making them switch tobthe sku I ordered (not out of principal, out of technical-materials)
everready73
04-18-18, 07:16
They only use 4150 barrels now according to their rep on TOS. The biggest difference is the one you ordered was MLOCK and had a 158 bolt. The one they sent is KMOD with 9310 NB Bolt.
If you prefer mlock mounting system have them make it right. I would also prefer a phosphate 158 bolt over a 9310 NB. Their customer service can be lacking at times, but they should make it right in time. They have an Industry forum on TOS and the rep from PSA that posts there has helped out people with issues very promptly. I would send him a message over there to help you out if needed
Straight Shooter
04-18-18, 07:49
I must be lucky or something-Ive ordered from them for many years now and never once had a problem. Ive read all the reviews here & elsewhere about their rifles, and decided a couple months ago to see for myself. Ordered a 16"Midlength SS upper..then a Magpul equipped lower. Already had a new, un-used ToolCraft Nib BCG.
Im gonna ring this thing out more thoroughly before coming to a conclusion...but at this time, with 350 flawless rounds thru the gun...I can see no fault with the rifle at all.
Visually- perfect. M4 feedramps-perfect. FSB perfectly straight. LOVE the PSA enhanced trigger..very nice. Comes in at just under 7lbs every time with my Lyman trigger pull gauge..very crisp & nice. FWIW...ejection is dead on at 5:00..i mean dead on every time. Got a Holosun on it..getting used to it too. As I said-Im gonna try to hit 1000 rounds or more before I do a complete review on it.
For those of you PSA haters..and Im not criticizing, just asking...what should I look for and/or expect as the round count goes up? What kind of defects or issues?
I must be lucky or something-Ive ordered from them for many years now and never once had a problem. Ive read all the reviews here & elsewhere about their rifles, and decided a couple months ago to see for myself. Ordered a 16"Midlength SS upper..then a Magpul equipped lower. Already had a new, un-used ToolCraft Nib BCG.
Im gonna ring this thing out more thoroughly before coming to a conclusion...but at this time, with 350 flawless rounds thru the gun...I can see no fault with the rifle at all.
Visually- perfect. M4 feedramps-perfect. FSB perfectly straight. LOVE the PSA enhanced trigger..very nice. Comes in at just under 7lbs every time with my Lyman trigger pull gauge..very crisp & nice. FWIW...ejection is dead on at 5:00..i mean dead on every time. Got a Holosun on it..getting used to it too. As I said-Im gonna try to hit 1000 rounds or more before I do a complete review on it.
For those of you PSA haters..and Im not criticizing, just asking...what should I look for and/or expect as the round count goes up? What kind of defects or issues?
I do love their EPT. Great stuff for 29.99.
Mine was just very overgassed, I don't hate-em.
Best of luck with your midlength, glad to hear it's been pain free thus far. Though a low round count still.
You ordered the cheapest item possible from a company that is known to sell defective junk and give horrible service. Just be glad if it functions and lasts for the minimal amount it will probably be used.
vicious_cb
04-18-18, 12:35
So they gave you a trash bolt carrier group and a dying attachment system instead of the one you wanted? Its almost like they're trying to offload their undesirable junk on unsuspecting customers.
So this BCG is worse than the one that came with the other upper? What makes it trash?
vicious_cb
04-18-18, 13:24
So this BCG is worse than the one that came with the other upper? What makes it trash?
9310 steel instead of C158. NiB coating, just do a search on M4C about people experience with NiB...
Yep, after seeing spending some time researching some barrel stuffs, it sounds like 4150V is Chrom Moly Vandium, but CMV is not always 4150V, it could be other compositions.
Sounds like both technically meet spec, but that 4150V is desired by many as it's the "standard" for a lot of Mil-Grade manufacturers.
I would definitely want the C158. I missed that Bolt composition in the first round of review.
So send it back? Im not going to war with this but I also don't want it shitting on me first day out like you guys are making it sound like. Why is the bolt sold as some premium option if its garbage? Sorry, I'm A handgun guy not a rifle guy
bamashooter
04-18-18, 16:42
I love my ........ I hate .......
https://i.imgur.com/djwAqL0.gif
9310 isn't necessarily a bad material for a bolt, but it's cheaper and a lot of low quality companies looking to cut cost(corners) use it. Same with melonite barrels. I wouldn't even buy one of PSA's "premium" bcgs, too many quality options for not much more $.
It's going back. It's bullshit that they told me I was getting a great deal based on their mistake...
I would want what i ordered. They messed up, they should correct it on their dime.
Let us know what they say.
Will do! Can't imagine there is a fight to be had. They sent the wrong item and passed it off as an upgrade.
Razorblade
04-18-18, 19:32
Keymod sucks tbh, I would be pissed. Thats a pretty big ****up. Nobody is buying keymod anymore - they're probably trying to dump their trash on people.
I bought a brand new strike eagle from them that had a crack in it and they wouldnt replace it, so I had to send a brand new 2 day old scope back to the manufacturer to have them fix it, essentially giving me a used scope that should have been new. Psa has good deals sometimes, but theyre only good for cheap junk otherwise.
They are an sponsor/advertiser here on M4C and have a thread to contact them through. I am also another that has been "lucky" I suppose, I have snagged a couple of sweet FN CHF barreled uppers from them and they just eat rounds and spit empties every time. I also have two or three of their M-16 profile BCGs with 158 Carpenter steel HPT MPI marked bolts. I will say that I don't want any ones NIB BCG for my guns.
Keymod sucks tbh, I would be pissed. Thats a pretty big ****up. Nobody is buying keymod anymore - they're probably trying to dump their trash on people.
I bought a brand new strike eagle from them that had a crack in it and they wouldnt replace it, so I had to send a brand new 2 day old scope back to the manufacturer to have them fix it, essentially giving me a used scope that should have been new. Psa has good deals sometimes, but theyre only good for cheap junk otherwise.I still buy keymod. people can send me all their keymod junk if they want.
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Straight Shooter
04-19-18, 02:20
You ordered the cheapest item possible from a company that is known to sell defective junk and give horrible service. Just be glad if it functions and lasts for the minimal amount it will probably be used.
Stick- wondering if you were replying to me or the OP? No prob either way, just wondering.
Stick- wondering if you were replying to me or the OP? No prob either way, just wondering.
Prob me because if you spend less than $1,000 on a rifle, of course you should expect a brick and nothing more...
LookAtYourself
04-21-18, 13:13
You ordered the cheapest item possible from a company that is known to sell defective junk and give horrible service. Just be glad if it functions and lasts for the minimal amount it will probably be used.
no kidding. I once ordered a 1/7 twist 4150 chrome lined barrel from them that was "on sale" and when i got it, the edge of the threads was dented as if someone dropped the barrel muzzle side down from 50 feet high.
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