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I know there is a lot of noise right now about restricting or out right outlawing certain firearms. There is a lot of talk about legislation, confiscation, searches and seizures that get people all bent out of shape. A lot of YouTube video that have been uploaded within the last 4 months discuss burying firearms. These guys are going as far as telling people to burry up to 500 nails in your yard to throw off any metal detectors. SAD! These guys appear to have a "Come and take it" and "Don't tread on me" mentality yet burying there firearms out of fear at the same time. Its confusing.
I would think the day you needed your firearm to defend yourself against government tyranny is the day you grabbed your shovel and started digging. Are these guys waiting for a coded message like "John has a long mustache" to be played over the radio so they can go dig it back up?
The fact that these people go to such great extents and talk as if the government is going to come to there house and search it and use a medal detector on every square inch of there yard almost makes me think there is some type of psychological warfare being waged right now that is designed to make people fear the government. I don't know, its weird.
What are your thoughts?
Don't see what is so weird about.
Just a plan B.
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Why not in the drywall? Or tactical walls?
Too many factors to consider when burying guns, that normally when end up destroying your firearms.
Idk, a creative mind can come up with a better solution than burying them, because remember you also have to retrieve them eventually.
Why not in the drywall? Or tactical walls?
Have you ever seen pics of a house that was searched for drugs? The cops aren't just going to take a cursory look around and be on their way...They'll rip the entire inside out of your house in an attempt to find what they're looking for. You might as well just leave that shit on the couch instead of going to the trouble to wall it up.
Have you ever seen pics of a house that was searched for drugs? The cops aren't just going to take a cursory look around and be on their way...They'll rip the entire inside out of your house in an attempt to find what they're looking for. You might as well just leave that shit on the couch instead of going to the trouble to wall it up.
True.
John Wick Chapter 1 has a pretty good stash spot. Imagine if you laid carpet over that?
Plus, not that hard to retrieve in an afternoon.
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 13:37
There are various schools of thought about burying guns:
1. If it's time to bury them, it's time to use them.
2. Bury them for the time being, hoping a more laissez-faire regime will eventually come to power and you can un-bury them.
I would say, if you DO decide to start gardening at night, make sure you use an airtight container that will not deteriorate after being underground for years. Do not bury a firearm you really need or think you can't do without. Bury something that is not that special and might only be the proverbial "butter knife" that gets you something else better. Make sure you bury ammo and mags with it, if appropriate. Be sure that your cache can be easily located later and is in a secure spot that won't be subject to flooding, someone else digging, or on a piece of property you might not always have access to.
If "they" want to find your cache badly enough, they will find it. Your only hope is that they have too many places to look, or your property is large enough that it's not worth the trouble to scan every acre with ground-penetrating radar.
Of course, I'm only postulating the theoretical. I wouldn't know anything about actually burying any guns.
would take a lot of prep and if they are watching you they will see you go out and bury and if watching you after and go to dig it up they will see you ?
but the fact they are talking about it on youtube :) hahahahahah means they are not to bright IMHO
Honestly? I can find 100 trees that would be easier to identify and stash a sealed tube in an open knot hole, root system, or old animal den that will be 1000x better than the ground.
Supposedly, there's a buried .45LC, 20 dollars in silver, and some old food cache buried on my grandparent's old farm.
Depression era folk, scared of the return of such.
After 10 years of the family searching off and on, no one could find anything out on those acres. Too much space, not enough solid info on where it should be. That was when I was a kid. Still no word to this day, but the land has been out of our family for longer than the time was spent looking now.
Ultimately, for me, it would only be done for the proverbial "bug-out" situation.
The only use I would have for it if I had to flee my home in the middle of shit hitting so many fans that I didn't have enough time to load up kit and go.
To me, a .38 revolver and a .22 of somekind would be far more effective as stash guns than any other. 200 bucks in guns, 100 bucks in ammo. About 100 in food, blankets, and water purification tablets, as that will be FAR more useful than any firearm can be if I ever encountered a need to "bug-out".
Overall, would I bury a Colt, 1000 rounds, 100 mags? Helll no.
If it comes time to stand ground, you won't have time to unbury.
Just that simple.
"If it comes time to stand ground, you won't have time to unbury."
This is the argument that is used a lot. That is not how it is suppose to be used.
And if people can't figure out why one would do it, then you have already lost.
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"If it comes time to stand ground, you won't have time to unbury."
This is the argument that is used a lot. That is not how it is suppose to be used.
And if people can't figure out why one would do it, then you have already lost.
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In my eyes, if we're at a point as discussed above from Doc Glockster:
"2. Bury them for the time being, hoping a more laissez-faire regime will eventually come to power and you can un-bury them."
That sounds like a damn good time to take a stand.
Otherwise, I see no other point than I have listed. I would be more than humble in being enlightened by your ideology if you'd be so kind to clarify it rather than be vague.
RetroRevolver77
04-30-18, 14:23
People who cache weapons do this because they are afraid but also want to retain the option in case someday they gain some kind of intestinal fortitude that they lacked prior to things going downhill.
People who cache weapons do this because they are afraid but also want to retain the option in case someday they gain some kind of intestinal fortitude that they lacked prior to things going downhill.
Which is the exact kind of half-arsed shite that will get our rights taken in the first place.
Not a shot against you 7n6, just my opine on that topic.
RetroRevolver77
04-30-18, 14:28
Which is the exact kind of half-arsed shite that will get our rights taken in the first place.
Not a shot against you 7n6, just my opine on that topic.
I don't understand what you are saying here honestly.
If it comes to that, then the government will go into the records and find you once held a CCW, bought guns etc.
You then are visited by the government and if they find a yard full of nails, they will bring in a CAT and dig up your yard. Or just take you in for enhanced interrogation .
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 14:30
People who cache weapons do this because they are afraid but also want to retain the option in case someday they gain some kind of intestinal fortitude that they lacked prior to things going downhill.
Bingo. Like I always used to tell my dad, "No one wants to be the first person on the dance floor."
Burying guns is telling the world, "When you have enough guts to start something I'll get out my shovel and join you. Otherwise I'm just practicing underground gun safety."
In my eyes, if we're at a point as discussed above from Doc Glockster:
"2. Bury them for the time being, hoping a more laissez-faire regime will eventually come to power and you can un-bury them."
That sounds like a damn good time to take a stand.
Otherwise, I see no other point than I have listed. I would be more than humble in being enlightened by your ideology if you'd be so kind to clarify it rather than be vague.If the day ever comes they go door to door.
Making a stand in your home is like standing face to face in a field shooting at each other thinking someone is going to win.
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I don't understand what you are saying here honestly.
If people are scared enough to bury guns for the chance of having the intestinal fortitude AFTER we've lost our rights/shtf/gone downhill is completely asinine and backwards.
If it's something they care enough to be scared about losing/going downhill, the time to stand for that isn't once it's already been taken.
Again, I assure you, not a shot against you. I know your point has some accuracy, I just disagree that it's an effective/worthwhile mentality to hold.
It's the reservation, fear, burying for when the govment comes grab em, that will let them grab them in the first place.
Why bury them? If they're coming, we all should stand, show that we're not segmented on this. Not wait until the main wave blows over, for what? Some Guerrilla op ran by a bunch of civvies with rusty buried guns and ammo? That in which the majority would still lack the intestinal fortitude to even be a part of to begin with.
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 14:36
I think post #327 in this thread explains things about as well as anything, if I do say so myself:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?204923-How-Close-We-Really-Are-to-Gun-Confiscation&p=2612958#post2612958
This article is interesting mainly because it asks THE question:
“What if Americans don’t want to give up their guns?”
There’s still not been a rational and logical response on how that would be handled from any Democrat; politician or otherwise.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ant-seize-them
My take: It's a line from one of the Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movies.
"You've never seen me very upset."
Submitted for your perusal:
http://daktologistindustries.com/tot...s/gunedit.html
I have an actual hard copy of this magazine article from the 1990's.
My take: this article was quoted on radio shows, in other articles, and in gun shop banter before there was much of an internet. THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, and we all need to pray it never gets this bad.
Submitted for your perusal:
Editorial by Jim Shults
Modern Gun Magazine
October 1994
HG Publications, INC
9171 Wilshire Blvd.
STE. 300
Beverly Hills, CA 90210
Perhaps it was fate that caused me to call LFP's President last year
to see if he would like to do a military or gun magazine. It seemed
like bad timing to start a major new national and international gun
magazine at a time when the government is going socialist, and with
their need to confiscate guns to enable enforcement of the new order
already in progress, but in spite of all this, it has worked out very
well. If I didn't have this job, I would not have learned of the
following information, which I personally related to the offices of
several U. S. senators and representatives
Some of this information was based upon an anonymous letter I got from
a reader about six months ago--a letter, long since destroyed, but one
that lingers on in my memory, written by a person I felt had an
extensive military background. In my calls to the senators, I mixed in
some firearm-industry sales information as well as what I've been
hearing from around the country.
Well, if I can call U.S. senators Ben Nighthorse Campbell (D-Colo.),
Hank Brown (R-Colo.), Robert Dole, Senate minority leader (R-Kan.),
Senate majority leader George Mitchell (D-Maine) and House minority
leader Bob Michel (R-III.), and Modern Gun special pro-jects editor
Robin Heid can inform blithering idiot Pat Schroeder's (D-Co.) aide in
a face-to-face meeting at Pat's Denver office, then I can sure tell
you folks. In fact, you might want to send a copy of this editorial to
your elected officials, because very few, if any, have considered what
follows.
THE CALL BEGINS
You folks (politicians) do not really understand what is going to
happen when this antigun legislation goes into effect; let me first
tell you about the gun industry. Ever since October, 1993 gun sales of
all types have grown so quickly that the factories--all of them--are
anywhere from 16,000 guns back-ordered for a small specialty company
to 178,000 for one major company. (I told them the names of these,
plus several others that have back-orders in the 45,000 to 56,000
range due to buyer demand) I told them that it was even getting
difficult to quickly get guns for articles, and that getting high
capacity rifle and pistol magazines was next to impossible,
except for the rare supply of military surplus at gun shows.
I related that many makers of primers and ammunition are backordered
until June of 1995, and that major wholesale distributors of ammunition
are now scrounging for any 9mm, .45 ACP, 5.56mm, 7.62mm NATO, 7.62 x
39mm .38/.357 and .30 06 ammo that they can get; I told of the small
foreign-bullet manufacturer who went to the SHOT show to try to sell 5
million 9mm bullets and came out after one day with orders for 97
million; that the sales of certain types of powder for reloading are
beyond belief, and making it nearly impossible for even major ammo
makers to turn out product.
Then I asked the aides: Do you think that the people who are buying
this stuff in these quantities are doing so to prepare for when these
socialist laws go into effect, so that they can turn this stuff in?
The aides gave me the answer: no!
I then told them that when this "government" makes things like
magazines, springs, bayonet lugs, pistol grips, etc., federally
illegal, a person may as well go out and get a machine gun or
something even more deadly; after all, a federal crime is a federal
crime, and a felony is a felony. If our government is going to
artificially create nearly 40 million citizen/criminals, a
significant percentage will get real serious about their new "job
title." Again, the aides agreed.
Who will these new criminals be? Well, they won't be some gang-banger
dirtbag who never finished the fifth grade, has no job, does drive-by-
shootings, holds up liquor stores and sells crack. This new federal
criminal will consist of men who are combat and military veterans from
WWII, Korea, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi,
and special operations forces from around the world. Many of these
veterans really know how to shoot, move and communicate, and have
killed. Men who are no longer afraid of hostile artillery and are
hardly intimidated by a BATF agent in a ninja outfit!
The new criminal class will be made up of men, women and their
children, who are educated, run businesses or make businesses work,
and have raised or are raising families. People who pay taxes and
currently make this country work. In other words, a serious bunch of
potentially real mean, smart cookies who can make things happen. The
military may oppose them, but as the Russian experience taught, many
"kids" don't join the military to kill fellow citizens.
Now the aforementioned citizen criminal class will eliminate a lot of
people, and the people terminated, according to this letter, will
include city, state and national politicians, local and regional media
personalities (the propaganda arm), all forms of law enforcement
(drive-up assassinations while they are in their cars) and just
common, everyday federal employees.
The chilling part of the letter also said that the families,
neighbors, friends and coworkers, and the children and wives of these
people, would be under assault so as to cut off any moral and real
support. His scenario is similar to the famous Phoenix Program in
Vietnam, which found that by attacking the infrastructure and its
supporters, change can be forced--or else! And who wants to be the
next person (target) to lead, collect guns or taxes, or sell the party
propaganda at a network affiliate or newspaper, in any capacity, from
secretary to reporter, camera operator, or, especially, announcer or
columnist? Naturally, this activity would result in more government
controls, which would meet with more citizen resistance, and all of
this could ultimately lead to all-out civil war. Yes. I know I am
pushing the envelope of supposition, but this is how civil wars start.
I related to the senatorial aides that less than 2% of guns were
declared after California passed their state law against semiauto
rifles, and that less than 0.2% of the "semis" were declared after
Denver passed their gun law. This means tens of millions nationwide
will not comply, creating the world's largest "criminal" class of
people, all of which will fight, and fight hard, to turn things
around. While I did not relate the following excerpt, it is quite
possibly our future.
From the book Atlas Shrugged, written in 1930 by Ayn Rand, I quote:
"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on
criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.
One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible
for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law
abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the
kinds of laws that can be neither observed nor enforced nor
objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers- and
then you can cash in on the guilt."
I continued by telling them that they knew that gun control had
nothing to do with crime. and everything to do with control of the
citizenry. I asked them to work hard to communicate this to their
contemporaries in Congress: They are about to create a nation of
lawbreakers.
They took this to heart, and did not receive this as a threat hell, I
told them who I was, etc. In fact I was referred to Campbell directly
by his aide's Colorado State Representative. l will tell you folks,
for the first time in my life, this particular government has me
scared out of my wits for my personal and national security, and fear
held by millions of Americans does not promote polite behavior.
I really don't think that the politicians and media people at all
levels know what they are creating, because a "direct price" has not
yet been extracted from them for their actions. All of the senators'
aides I talked with were surprised at the industry numbers and data,
and especially surprised at the concept of a huge, smart and highly
experienced criminal class that they are about to create. In fact, one
flat told me he had never thought of that, and he was the particular
senator's gun legislation aide.
I informed them that, to a huge percentage of our population, guns are
not just a thing they will do without. To many in this country the
military gun is a very real symbol of freedom. A symbol of the meaning
of our original Constitution, of the legacy of millions of fallen
brothers-in-arms over the last 250 years. I tried to communicate to
them that, to many people, guns are nearly a religion.
This concept is something many big-city Eastern or high-profile,
heavily insulated and privately guarded, millionaire political-elitist
types cannot understand. I told them that everyone knows any
registration will lead to punitive taxation or outright confiscation
down the road. After answering their questions, the calls were
concluded.
A couple of months ago I struck up a conversation with some guy at a
gun show. Eventually, I told him of the letter I received. He said
examples like the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents would serve to control
the population to some extent. However, he said illegal-gun arrests
would operate like drug busts. A friend, ex-wife, or paid informer
would simply target old Joe's house as having "illegal guns," etc.
Nighttime and odd-hour SWAT-type raids would result.
He informed me that if you have these kinds of "illegal" items, you
shouldn't tell people, show them, or fire them; you either put them to
preemptive use or you'd better surrender them and accept whatever your
government has in store for you. Hiding them in your home and then
having a fire--which is always investigated by law enforcement--will
result in your arrest, and burying guns in the hills is just plain
silly, because, according to him, now is the time to fight, not later.
He used the example of what would have happened to WWII if, in the
early 1930s, German citizens would have taken action to stop an
out-of-control government and propaganda machine. This old boy was
dead serious; he knew combat and had survived bayonet and hand-to-hand
fighting in Korea.
The ability to stop the insanity is in the hands of Congress and their
supporters in the media. Time is short. Citizens are very angry and
prepared. I'll tell you this, I sure as hell would not want to be in
any form of law enforcement and have to enforce this craziness. Eighty
thousand dollars a year is not enough pay when you have created one
federal criminal out of every four adults in an entire country.
The gun grabbers forget that what spawned the so-called "militia movement" in the first place was the notion dreamed up by the liberals that there is no "individual" right to bear arms.
The SCOTUS Heller decision should have put that one to bed, but if you're a liberal gun-hating anti-2A politician, the law and its consequences don't matter.
Well, they will, Mr. or Ms. Liberal. They will.
RetroRevolver77
04-30-18, 14:38
If the day ever comes they go door to door.
Making a stand in your home is like standing face to face in a field shooting at each other thinking someone is going to win.
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If that ever honestly began, the country we once knew is completely gone. There are absolutely no rules at that point, none- your rights no longer matter at all.
If people are scared enough to bury guns for the chance of having the intestinal fortitude AFTER we've lost our rights/shtf/gone downhill is completely asinine and backwards.
If it's something they care enough to be scared about losing/going downhill, the time to stand for that isn't once it's already been taken.
Again, I assure you, not a shot against you. I know your point has some accuracy, I just disagree that it's an effective/worthwhile mentality to hold.
It's the reservation, fear, burying for when the govment comes grab em, that will let them grab them in the first place.
Why bury them? If they're coming, we all should stand, show that we're not segmented on this. Not wait until the main wave blows over, for what? Some Guerrilla op ran by a bunch of civvies with rusty buried guns and ammo? That in which the majority would still lack the intestinal fortitude to even be a part of to begin with.
Let me make this perfectly clear since somehow you don't understand what I wrote- I'm not burring anything, ever. My quote was essentially saying that people who bury weapons are cowards and should not even own firearms to begin with. They aren't mentally fit enough or can be trusted to be counted on for anything including a localized shtf scenario. I wouldn't even associate with someone like that at all.
If the day ever comes they go door to door.
Making a stand in your home is like standing face to face in a field shooting at each other thinking someone is going to win.
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Seeing as how all of this is pure theory, I am of the mindset we would see division of LEO/Mil as well as counties dividing. I would have plenty of time to get out of dodge and associate myself in a safe state/place where we could stand as groups. As we should in those situations.
There would be more than enough writing on the wall to know when time is time.
I just don't fall for the "Door-to-door with no notice at all and now we have to rely on our buried guns." rhetoric.
If that ever honestly began, the country we once knew is completely gone. There are absolutely no rules at that point, none- your rights no longer matter at all.
Agreed.
We had a buddy who we're sure had burried weapons on the ranch where we shoot. He passed away, and now there's no telling where the glock 19s are located.
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 14:41
We had a buddy who we're sure had burried weapons on the ranch where we shoot. He passed away, and now there's no telling where the glock 19s are located.
Time to get out the metal detectors and go treasure hunting. He might have buried gold coins too.
LMT Shooter
04-30-18, 14:41
There are various schools of thought about burying guns:
1. If it's time to bury them, it's time to use them.
2. Bury them for the time being, hoping a more laissez-faire regime will eventually come to power and you can un-bury them.
I would say, if you DO decide to start gardening at night, make sure you use an airtight container that will not deteriorate after being underground for years. Do not bury a firearm you really need or think you can't do without. Bury something that is not that special and might only be the proverbial "butter knife" that gets you something else better. Make sure you bury ammo and mags with it, if appropriate. Be sure that your cache can be easily located later and is in a secure spot that won't be subject to flooding, someone else digging, or on a piece of property you might not always have access to.
If "they" want to find your cache badly enough, they will find it. Your only hope is that they have too many places to look, or your property is large enough that it's not worth the trouble to scan every acre with ground-penetrating radar.
Of course, I'm only postulating the theoretical. I wouldn't know anything about actually burying any guns.
#1 is the cold hard truth
#2, well, I'd say if you embrace this idea, maybe you don't believe that you truly have an inalienable right as stated in the Second Amendment.
But, if it gets that bad, tough decisions will have to made by many of us. And firearms are just objects, property. The tough decisions will be about our rights, what they are, and what our rights really mean to us. The toughest decision will be what we, as individual citizens, will do to protect those God given natural rights.
If that ever honestly began, the country we once knew is completely gone. There are absolutely no rules at that point, none- your rights no longer matter at all.I agree, hence the reason for "reserve" weapons.
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Doc Safari
04-30-18, 14:53
I just don't fall for the "Door-to-door with no notice at all and now we have to rely on our buried guns." rhetoric.
Here's what they will actually do. They will cross-reference all the different background checks and databases showing what you've bought (Oh, did I forget to mention that I don't believe they are actually destroying "approved" NICS checks?).
Okay...let's say I'm wrong. But they will find a way to know if you have those nasty assault weapons or not. How many credit card orders have you placed for AR mags? I'm not going to a 2A rally this week because I'm convinced they will have the facial recognition software working overtime to catalog people.
Now, in the interim let's say they outlaw them so you either have to register or surrender them.
They won't go door-to-door to get them. They don't have to. They will simply issue bench warrants for the non-compliant and next time you're pulled over for speeding or you get into a fender bender, they will bring you to their halls of injustice at that time.
Meanwhile, you will be under such surveillance for everything else you do that they will know if you start purchasing large quantities of ammo or something and they will haul you in because you must be "planning something." Mass shooters aren't the only ones under surveillance. How many times have you heard that the FBI was watching someone before a mass shooting and did nothing? I'm convinced the alphabet soup people don't arrest mass shooters before the fact because they don't want the public wise to just how many of us are being watched ALL THE TIME. They are saving the element of surprise until the guns really are outlawed and they start going after people wholesale because it doesn't matter if the cat is out of the bag anymore.
Okay, that's just tinfoil hat stuff, right? Sorry to bother you. That was just my attempt at science fiction writing. I've watched Minority Report too many times. Ignore this post.
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 14:58
But, if it gets that bad, tough decisions will have to made by many of us. And firearms are just objects, property. The tough decisions will be about our rights, what they are, and what our rights really mean to us. The toughest decision will be what we, as individual citizens, will do to protect those God given natural rights.
Truly, if they will wait another 15-20 years to force everyone to register their semi-auto AR's and add them to the NFA roster, I'll be too old to dig my heals in anyway and I'd probably register and sell them for the huge profit that turning them into NFA guns would bring. That's just a reality that in the time quoted I'll be too old to do anything but watch our freedoms die. I now understand my dad's reluctance to do much "resistance": He told me one time that without his meds he's in the ground anyway so bugging out, joining the revolution, or much of anything was just a fantasy.
Let me make this perfectly clear since somehow you don't understand what I wrote- I'm not burring anything, ever. My quote was essentially saying that people who bury weapons are cowards and should not even own firearms to begin with. They aren't mentally fit enough or can be trusted to be counted on for anything including a localized shtf scenario. I wouldn't even associate with someone like that at all.
I wasn't under the impression you agreed with it, more along the lines of explaining where that mentality comes from for certain people.
Which is why I say: Your point has some accuracy. That is the mentality some people keep.
We certainly agree on your clarification.
Such is why I mentioned it wasn't a shot. I didn't miss your sarcasm. I've been around long enough for that. ;)
ETA: Poor Elephant. Guy's gunna log in after work and have a novella worth of reading to get caught up.
Or, like I have done in the past, just took a backseat once this thread got moving for the entertainment value.
RetroRevolver77
04-30-18, 15:05
I agree, hence the reason for "reserve" weapons.
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SHTF, I'm distributing what I have to those around me who might need them, not going to bury anything.
Thinking of these scenarios always makes me question whether going the NFA route was worth it. While large, it has to be an easier confiscate list to manage than NCIS records.
No one know who fired the shot heard around the world. Even though that was a metaphor used by Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Do you know anything about the Battle of Lexington and Concord? It happened on April 19, 1775.
In February, 1775, the British government declared Massachusetts to be in a state of rebellion. This was a result of the Suffolk Resolves resistance to British giving more power to the appointed governor of Massachusetts following Boston Tea Party.
At this time, the King gave ultimate control to the appointed governor Thomas Cage and the Patriots out of fear started stashing weapons. About 700 British Army soldiers in Boston, under Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith, were given secret orders to capture and destroy Colonial military supplies reportedly stored by the Massachusetts militia at Concord. Through effective intelligence gathering, Patriot leaders had received word weeks before the expedition that their supplies might be at risk and had moved most of them to other locations. On the night before the battle, warning of the British expedition had been rapidly sent from Boston to militias in the area by several riders, including Paul Revere and Samuel Prescott, with information about British plans. The initial mode of the Army's arrival by water was signaled from the Old North Church in Boston to Charlestown using lanterns to communicate "one if by land, two if by sea".
The battle of Lexington and Concord was the result of the government trying to seize and confiscate weapons from the patriots. I refuse to believe that these patriots were simple farmers and carpenters but probably men like you and I.
I know a lot of people don't want to be the first to pull the trigger. And a lot of people don't want to face 10 armed LEO's with there dick in there hands either. I see the pros to burying weapons but it makes you look like a total worthless piece of shit. On the other hand, having buried guns is better than having confiscated guns. The con is communication. When you dig your guns up, are other digger there's up as well? Could that scenario been avoided if we chose not to burry our guns?
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 16:11
I know a lot of people don't want to be the first to pull the trigger. And a lot of people don't want to face 10 armed LEO's with there dick in there hands either. I see the pros to burying weapons but it makes you look like a total worthless piece of shit. On the other hand, having buried guns is better than having confiscated guns. The con is communication. When you dig your guns up, are other digger there's up as well? Could that scenario been avoided if we chose not to burry our guns?
Don't discount that what people post on the internet is the decoy, too...
Oops. I said it.
Me? I'm going boating pretty soon and I'd just hate to leave my firearms at home because someone might steal them while I'm gone. Just sayin'
LMT Shooter
04-30-18, 17:06
Here's what they will actually do. They will cross-reference all the different background checks and databases showing what you've bought (Oh, did I forget to mention that I don't believe they are actually destroying "approved" NICS checks?).
Okay...let's say I'm wrong. But they will find a way to know if you have those nasty assault weapons or not. How many credit card orders have you placed for AR mags? I'm not going to a 2A rally this week because I'm convinced they will have the facial recognition software working overtime to catalog people.
Now, in the interim let's say they outlaw them so you either have to register or surrender them.
They won't go door-to-door to get them. They don't have to. They will simply issue bench warrants for the non-compliant and next time you're pulled over for speeding or you get into a fender bender, they will bring you to their halls of injustice at that time.
Meanwhile, you will be under such surveillance for everything else you do that they will know if you start purchasing large quantities of ammo or something and they will haul you in because you must be "planning something." Mass shooters aren't the only ones under surveillance. How many times have you heard that the FBI was watching someone before a mass shooting and did nothing? I'm convinced the alphabet soup people don't arrest mass shooters before the fact because they don't want the public wise to just how many of us are being watched ALL THE TIME. They are saving the element of surprise until the guns really are outlawed and they start going after people wholesale because it doesn't matter if the cat is out of the bag anymore.
Okay, that's just tinfoil hat stuff, right? Sorry to bother you. That was just my attempt at science fiction writing. I've watched Minority Report too many times. Ignore this post.
Doc, do you think that someone, or some computer, is also monitoring all this internet BS, too? I do, and since they nailed the Silk Road dude, who was using the latest & greatest software to conceal his identity, they probably have all of us, too. That, & the disrespectful bullshit way some jackasses shit-talk on the internet while under a username alias that they would not do either face to face or if using their real name, is why I use my real name. They can find, if they haven't already found, us all. So, I don't worry enough to lose sleep over it.
How's that for tinfoil conspiracy theories?
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 17:09
Doc, do you think that someone, or some computer, is also monitoring all this internet BS, too? I do, and since they nailed the Silk Road dude, who was using the latest & greatest software to conceal his identity, they probably have all of us, too. That, & the disrespectful bullshit way some jackasses shit-talk on the internet while under a username alias that they would not do either face to face or if using their real name, is why I use my real name. They can find, if they haven't already found, us all. So, I don't worry enough to lose sleep over it.
How's that for tinfoil conspiracy theories?
Good. And we all know your IP address is your real internet identity anyway. That's why I broadcast from a bombed out warehouse somewhere in Kosovo.
Jump in with them, that makes both useless.
RetroRevolver77
04-30-18, 17:23
Don't discount that what people post on the internet is the decoy, too...
Oops. I said it.
Me? I'm going boating pretty soon and I'd just hate to leave my firearms at home because someone might steal them while I'm gone. Just sayin'
So when you are taken alive into custody because you can't produce the firearms you lost while boating- you are ok with being raped? That's where they are taking you to- pound town. Gee, good thing you survived that boating accident because Darnell sure was lonely until you showed up.
Doc Safari
04-30-18, 17:46
So when you are taken alive into custody because you can't produce the firearms you lost while boating.....
I keed. I keed....
Gun owners buy, sell, trade firearms all the time. Up until a few years ago nobody I knew even kept a record of who sold what to whom. I knew a guy ten years ago who wasn't all that rich. He'd buy a pistol he'd never owned before, shoot it a few times til he got his rocks off, then sell it to buy something else. He did this month after month after month and nobody ever said a word. I don't think he even did anything more than make sure he sold to an in-state resident.
My dad died with firearms he'd literally bought through the mail. Another friend of mine never bought a gun on a 4473.
Point being: people acquire and dispose of firearms all the time. Unless you live in a state where you have to keep records of your firearms dispositions it's your word against theirs. I have heard, and I don't know if it's true or not, but ATF considers any firearm more than a few years old to be untraceable anyway just because of what we're talking about.
Now, I will say, don't be stupid and go out and buy ten lowers the day before the ban and then try to claim "oopsy", "they fell down a mine shaft."
Unless you have a suspicious buying pattern, or you're trying to claim a gun you bought three days ago has already been sold by you, then they can't prove you still have it. If they raid every gun owner that didn't keep meticulous records of every firearm sale I guarantee you the outcry and revolt will be beyond calming down.
I've gotten in the habit of selling only through a licensed dealer because I'm lazy and I'd rather pay him his 15% to find customers, but I often think I'm the weird one because most gun owners I know get rid of stuff through private sales and don't even have the buyer sign for it.
BrigandTwoFour
04-30-18, 18:11
Dick swinging in this thread aside about who is a holier gun owner, this whole discussion is based on the assumption that there will come a day that the ballon goes up and they come for us.
That simply isn’t the strategy.
This is a generational game. They will ban things where they can. They will close up shooting ranges through noise or environmental ordinances. They will slowly choke the culture so that the youth no longer want to participate in it, and those that do will have no resources available to learn how gun ownership as a right will simply fade to something that their crazy grandpa used to talk about.
After that, any “illegal” guns in the home will simply be forgotten about in the attic or turned in to the police after your death. If it was buried in preparation for the day that the balloon went up, then it will be forgotten about and probably never found. Either way, the other side wins.
You know, since no one actually said anything that I recall now about guns that were actually buried, and what happened, I offer this response.
I know someone who actually buried a gun, and it was dug up about a decade later. Now, before anybody calls this person a coward, it wasn't the only gun he had, or his main weapons. Just a spare, should he fall on some hard times, and lose the rest, for any number of reasons.
He buried a mosin Nagant rifle, with about 400rds, and knife, and cleaning tools. Just about a foot deep. It was dug up about 10-12yrs later.
All was perfect.
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LMT Shooter
04-30-18, 18:46
Good. And we all know your IP address is your real internet identity anyway. That's why I broadcast from a bombed out warehouse somewhere in Kosovo.
Nothing saved The Dread Pirate Roberts. I don't think he was in Kosovo...
I wouldn't bury one but you might consider alternate storage locations for some if you're concerned about Uncle Sugar, burglary, or fires. As far as the old records, who cares, you could wallpaper a house with all the 4473's Ive filled out over the last 35 years.
RetroRevolver77
04-30-18, 19:19
Dick swinging in this thread aside about who is a holier gun owner, this whole discussion is based on the assumption that there will come a day that the ballon goes up and they come for us.
That simply isn’t the strategy.
This is a generational game. They will ban things where they can. They will close up shooting ranges through noise or environmental ordinances. They will slowly choke the culture so that the youth no longer want to participate in it, and those that do will have no resources available to learn how gun ownership as a right will simply fade to something that their crazy grandpa used to talk about.
After that, any “illegal” guns in the home will simply be forgotten about in the attic or turned in to the police after your death. If it was buried in preparation for the day that the balloon went up, then it will be forgotten about and probably never found. Either way, the other side wins.
They won't come directly, they'll pull the bullshit they are pulling all over the country. First banning magazines over a certain amount, then certain firearms based on features, then it's illegal to transfer certain firearms even if out of state, then they want some type of registration scheme, and eventually after failing to jump through all the hoops you become some criminal for shit you bought legally decades prior.
You know, since no one actually said anything that I recall now about guns that were actually buried, and what happened, I offer this response.
I know someone who actually buried a gun, and it was dug up about a decade later. Now, before anybody calls this person a coward, it wasn't the only gun he had, or his main weapons. Just a spare, should he fall on some hard times, and lose the rest, for any number of reasons.
He buried a mosin Nagant rifle, with about 400rds, and knife, and cleaning tools. Just about a foot deep. It was dug up about 10-12yrs later.
All was perfect.
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When the nuke apocalypse hits, all that will remain will be the cockroaches and mosin nagants, lol
When the nuke apocalypse hits, all that will remain will be the cockroaches and mosin nagants, lol
That is so true.....
The_War_Wagon
04-30-18, 20:48
What are your thoughts?
Confucius say,
If it's time to bury them, than it's actually TIME to dig them up.
Confucius say,
If it's time to bury them, than it's actually TIME to dig them up.
I was thinking the exact same thing........
RetroRevolver77
04-30-18, 21:01
Confucius say,
If it's time to bury them, than it's actually TIME to dig them up.
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
Every man in this thread has already thought the scenarios through and knows in his heart what he will do if the order to turn them in is given. If you still haven’t made up your mind, I can tell you what your decision will be. Lol
BrigandTwoFour
04-30-18, 21:20
They won't come directly, they'll pull the bullshit they are pulling all over the country. First banning magazines over a certain amount, then certain firearms based on features, then it's illegal to transfer certain firearms even if out of state, then they want some type of registration scheme, and eventually after failing to jump through all the hoops you become some criminal for shit you bought legally decades prior.
That's what I'm saying. It won't be direct.
They will continue to ratchet up the laws and remove ways to participate in "gun culture." Those that keep their illicit property are only buying time. They can't shoot them at whatever ranges still exist, transport them, or take them outside. The weapons will simply be locked away and forgotten. Eventually, those people either get picked up for other reasons (getting searched during a traffic stop while transporting), or their stuff is in a house that burns down, or it gets buried. Whatever. The goal has been met: stop participation in the shooting sports. Everyone else will move on, and we become the grumpy old men grumbling about freedom until the day we die.
The antis don't have to go door to door. They just wait us out. That's the game.
Edit:
On a related note: one of my favorite quotes from a sci fi novel I read years ago, "If you want to lose a fight, talk about it first."
I like the idea of putting guns into a casket and putting said casket into a mausoleums. Yeah I saw it on Terminator 3, Rise of the Machines, but it was a good idea.
Gun owners buy, sell, trade firearms all the time. Up until a few years ago nobody I knew even kept a record of who sold what to whom. I knew a guy ten years ago who wasn't all that rich. He'd buy a pistol he'd never owned before, shoot it a few times til he got his rocks off, then sell it to buy something else. He did this month after month after month and nobody ever said a word. I don't think he even did anything more than make sure he sold to an in-state resident.
My dad died with firearms he'd literally bought through the mail. Another friend of mine never bought a gun on a 4473.
Point being: people acquire and dispose of firearms all the time. Unless you live in a state where you have to keep records of your firearms dispositions it's your word against theirs. I have heard, and I don't know if it's true or not, but ATF considers any firearm more than a few years old to be untraceable anyway just because of what we're talking about.
Now, I will say, don't be stupid and go out and buy ten lowers the day before the ban and then try to claim "oopsy", "they fell down a mine shaft."
Unless you have a suspicious buying pattern, or you're trying to claim a gun you bought three days ago has already been sold by you, then they can't prove you still have it. If they raid every gun owner that didn't keep meticulous records of every firearm sale I guarantee you the outcry and revolt will be beyond calming down.
+1
In many free states like FL, law-abiding citizens can buy & sell guns privately without a papertrail. A bill of sale is not required; some sellers/buyers swear by it but I don't. So someone could buy 10 AR15's in a month in a private sale and the government would never be able to track it or know that you have a certain amount of a firearm.
Then what you can do is store (or bury) those privately-bought firearms properly until the time you need it. The key here is to store/bury your spare firearms. So if you had 10 AR15's, you bury 5.
RetroRevolver77
05-01-18, 00:37
+1
In many free states like FL, law-abiding citizens can buy & sell guns privately without a papertrail. A bill of sale is not required; some sellers/buyers swear by it but I don't. So someone could buy 10 AR15's in a month in a private sale and the government would never be able to track it or know that you have a certain amount of a firearm.
Then what you can do is store (or bury) those privately-bought firearms properly until the time you need it. The key here is to store/bury your spare firearms. So if you had 10 AR15's, you bury 5.
Remember you can't take them with you. Once a collection reaches a certain size, you no longer own the collection- it owns you.
How about buying the cheapest AR donor rifles imaginable to use as decoys for the confiscation squad? They come knocking and you pull out your Panther or Windham with replica airsoft accessories, Chinese knockoff optics and say "here is that SR15 you were inquiring about sir".
Or buy or build the absolute shittiest uppers you can with only low quality parts and have those readily available to go on the lowers you will have to turn in to the confiscation squad.
That way, you can keep your original Noveske, KAC, BCM etc. upper for that 80% you got stashed somewhere.
I have a secret hatch that allows me to bury them under my pool. No one would be able to see anything.
Can't resist to play along here, so here's another foil hat tactic in addition to throwing nails all over your yard; dig a vertical hole with a post hole digger and bury rifles sealed in a large pvc tube with the muzzle down/butt stock up so metal detectors are not as likely to locate said weapons. Of course the seismic and radar detecting are still going to prevail. But to repeat, if it has come to conducting seismic surveys on every gun owner's property in the US then we've already lost and the guns that are still in the ground are as good as gone at that point.
You can plant the vertically if you want. A Schonstedt will find them no problem.
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RetroRevolver77
05-01-18, 19:00
Gun collector facing 25 years for owning firearms in New York City.
You know this is going to spread nationwide.
http://www.guns.com/2018/05/01/queens-gun-collector-with-arsenal-of-deadly-weapons-arrested/
Gun collector facing 25 years for owning firearms in New York City.
You know this is going to spread nationwide.
http://www.guns.com/2018/05/01/queens-gun-collector-with-arsenal-of-deadly-weapons-arrested/
“banana ammo clip containing 25 caliber rounds,” LOL!!
OMFG...He had a banana ammo clip containing 25 caliber rounds!!!
What a monster! He is LITERALLY Hitler. I'm sure he probably bought that death arsenal from the NRA. #Enoughorwhateverwe'resayingtoday
some 13,000 rounds of ammunition.
“The defendant is accused of stockpiling an arsenal of deadly weapons in his home along with an enormous amount of ammunition,” Brown said. “Illegal firearms pose an extreme risk to the public and in Queens County creating your own warehouse of lethal shotguns and rifles will not be tolerated.”
I wonder how many murders all those "lethal shotguns and rifles" committed? Dozens I bet. The streets are much safer now I am sure.
eightmillimeter
05-01-18, 22:25
You have to have a permit for each gun in your own home in Queens?
Enough is enough. That story makes me want to vomit.
This crap won’t end until the USA is divided into about 3-4 new countries.
Averageman
05-01-18, 23:21
I can think of a lot of uses for a dozen or so rebar spikes pounded eighteen inches deep in every yard in the neighborhood.
Just keep them working so hard they quit in frustration.
Weld a 5/8 deep well on the end of a long cheap extension and a half hour later you've given the brown shirts eight hours of work to do.
Gun collector facing 25 years for owning firearms in New York City.
You know this is going to spread nationwide.
http://www.guns.com/2018/05/01/queens-gun-collector-with-arsenal-of-deadly-weapons-arrested/
only banana are the ones taking the guns away from others :)
a Crosman air rifle, a crossbow, a “banana ammo clip containing 25 caliber rounds,”
Looks like the FP-45 Liberator pistol instructions have been scrubbed, can't find the half showing operational use ie shoot the Nazi in the head, take his rifle, hand the Liberator to the next guy in your group. I can see the usefulness of stashing a few cheap .38's.
Doc Safari
05-02-18, 11:26
Looks like the FP-45 Liberator pistol instructions have been scrubbed, can't find the half showing operational use ie shoot the Nazi in the head, take his rifle, hand the Liberator to the next guy in your group. I can see the usefulness of stashing a few cheap .38's.
Fundamentally, this is the basic idea. A buried gun is a "butter knife", i.e., "Here's a butter knife, Partisan Soldier, go get me a machine gun." Burying an expensive tricked out Noveske with an ACOG, several hundred rounds of ammo and 10 magazines is just silly.
Gun collector facing 25 years for owning firearms in New York City.
You know this is going to spread nationwide.
http://www.guns.com/2018/05/01/queens-gun-collector-with-arsenal-of-deadly-weapons-arrested/
The irony of all that being perfectly legal before NY's Ca-style asininnery, and not only STILL legal a mere couple states down or over, but also not posing a "serious threat" to anyone in those states either...
So do we get to riot and burn shit now? #JusticeforKeith right? Pull an Athens, GA 2018 edition...
I suppose as usual we'll have not a peep of protest against this, or support for the fella...
But yeah, WE will totally be the ones to "do something" when the "right time" comes... :rolleyes:
See the top line of my sigline...
This came up a few years back around the campfire. Most of us agreed that if it's time to bury them, it's time to use them.
One buddy made an excellent point - he has a vacation home that he said he would use as a bug out if needed. He made a good case for a buried cache with food, assorted gear, ammo, along with a rifle and pistol incase he got there and the place was burned out or occupied and he needed gear. Made sense if you had the means to put it away. If it ever got that bad I guess it's always good to have contingencies.
Let me make this perfectly clear since somehow you don't understand what I wrote- I'm not burring anything, ever. My quote was essentially saying that people who bury weapons are cowards and should not even own firearms to begin with. They aren't mentally fit enough or can be trusted to be counted on for anything including a localized shtf scenario. I wouldn't even associate with someone like that at all.
You know that in some circumstances discretion is the better part of valor, right?
Let's use an example: "They" decide that door-to-door is a bright idea and go for it. Now, you can place a rifle by every window with basic combat load and scream "Molon labe!" Guess what happens then? Sure, you *might* cap a few but you die in the end. Bravo. Golf-clap.
Now another scenario: "They" come-a-knockin' and there's nothing to find. They don't believe your "boat accident" (or whatever) story but there isn't much they can do. You smile and wave as they leave, knowing they'll be back someday just to check up on things. But you are alive, and are able to plot and plan to XXXXXXX in a very devious and unforgiving manner. The JBT's themselves, their families, the ones who sent them there, etc. The gloves are off and everything is a legit target, BECAUSE YOU AND YOURS CERTAINLY ARE. Now return the favor. That's what they envisioned for you, now that is their future.
So, in the first scenario you are dead and *maybe* an agent of the state is (best case scenario). In the second you are able (and mysteriously armed because you were prudent and realized America is a BIG country) to help bring Hell to those who would imprison or kill you at the wave of a pen.
Just sayin'.......YMMV.
Edit to add: as others have said, it won't go down like the above scenarios. They will wait you out. You'll die someday. Until then there's always the pissed off ex-wife/girlfriend, disgruntled offspring, nosey neighbors, etc.
Doc Safari
05-02-18, 18:58
You know that in some circumstances discretion is the better part of valor, right?
Let's use an example: "They" decide that door-to-door is a bright idea and go for it. Now, you can place a rifle by every window with basic combat load and scream "Molon labe!" Guess what happens then? Sure, you *might* cap a few but you die in the end. Bravo. Golf-clap.
Now another scenario: "They" come-a-knockin' and there's nothing to find. They don't believe your "boat accident" (or whatever) story but there isn't much they can do. You smile and wave as they leave, knowing they'll be back someday just to check up on things. But you are alive, and are able to plot and plan to XXXXXXX in a very devious and unforgiving manner. The JBT's themselves, their families, the ones who sent them there, etc. The gloves are off and everything is a legit target, BECAUSE YOU AND YOURS CERTAINLY ARE. Now return the favor. That's what they envisioned for you, now that is their future.
So, in the first scenario you are dead and *maybe* an agent of the state is (best case scenario). In the second you are able (and mysteriously armed because you were prudent and realized America is a BIG country) to help bring Hell to those who would imprison or kill you at the wave of a pen.
Just sayin'.......YMMV.
Edit to add: as others have said, it won't go down like the above scenarios. They will wait you out. You'll die someday. Until then there's always the pissed off ex-wife/girlfriend, disgruntled offspring, nosey neighbors, etc.
When I worked at the prison, the inmates had one technique that seemed to work, at least on young inexperienced officers. For example, they were only allowed one piece of fruit in their cell at any given time. Inmates that had way more to hide might make sure they had that "extra" piece of fruit--that is, something innocent but still allowed the officer to "gig" them on something minor in the hopes that the officer would be satisfied with his "bust" and move on. I'm not saying it worked every time, but the scuttlebutt was that it worked a surprisingly high percentage of the time.
The key is, as others have said, to leave "decoys." I really don't like giving this technique away on the internet but I guess it's not that big a secret. Hide the "good stuff" behind drywall and fresh paint if you know they're coming, and leave the "junk" out to be easily confiscated. Of course this doesn't work if mere possession means a trip to prison, but in the event of a nationwide ban with only a door-to-door search, they can't arrest everybody. They will grab what they can and lecture the people on their bad behavior and move on to the next house. They also don't have time to search every square inch of every house. If they can grab a few easily picked pieces of low-hanging fruit they will move on.
Fact: They already know you're a gun owner.
If you let them "have" a certain number of items, all the while tearfully pleading that it's not fair or some happy horseshit, then the combination of them "getting some goodies" and your Oscar-winning performance could very well be all that's needed to keep your good shit stashed away.
Again, no guarantees. But it's a virtual certainty that the jerk who resists a search and screams obscenities at the SWAT team is going to be dead, his house destroyed, and maybe even his family dead or injured. They'll probably shoot the dog, too.
Ya gotta play their game by their rules but turn their chess game into a poker game instead: learn to bluff.
Remember you can't take them with you. Once a collection reaches a certain size, you no longer own the collection- it owns you.
That's up to every individual.
A collection can be a hundred guns or less than a dozen. You acquire firearms based on your needs and budget. If you did have a good amount of guns, it would be wise to store them in separate secure locations.
If you're a collector and your guns own you because you don't know how to manage them, that's your problem. I'm not a collector and I have no safe queens. All mine get used so I don't have that issue.
If you're a collector and your guns own you because you don't know how to manage them, that's your problem.
This made me laugh, I'm on break from trying to pare my tee-shirt 'collection' from nearly four dozen down to a more reasonable number. It is a problem. LOL
This made me laugh, I'm on break from trying to pare my tee-shirt 'collection' from nearly four dozen down to a more reasonable number. It is a problem. LOL
T-shirts never get thrown away. They become great shop rags for the guns and motorcycles at my house : )
RetroRevolver77
05-03-18, 13:37
That's up to every individual.
A collection can be a hundred guns or less than a dozen. You acquire firearms based on your needs and budget. If you did have a good amount of guns, it would be wise to store them in separate secure locations.
If you're a collector and your guns own you because you don't know how to manage them, that's your problem. I'm not a collector and I have no safe queens. All mine get used so I don't have that issue.
I don't own safe queens either.
T-shirts never get thrown away. They become great shop rags for the guns and motorcycles at my house : )
Yeah, I have no problem with that when they are worn out.
My problem is I have racing series tee-shirts from when we raced; HD tee-shirts from shops in various states; tee-shirts from each season of kid's cross-country; their high school and club swimming championship meets, etc. None of them are worn out and all have sentimental value.
That doesn't include the Ford Mustang or KU shirts that I'm gifted during Holidays, or the Wolverine pocket tee's I like to wear to hack around the garage.
I guess I need to find a tee-shirt hoarder support group.
i think I am going to start painting targets on my shirts and bringing them to the range. :D
LMT Shooter
05-03-18, 16:30
I guess I need to find a tee-shirt hoarder support group.
Please post any contact info you have if you find a support group for that. I have numerous tee-shirts that are decades old that I can't get rid of.
Please post any contact info you have if you find a support group for that. I have numerous tee-shirts that are decades old that I can't get rid of.
I have a NY Giants t-shirt from the 1986 season when they beat the Broncos in Superbowl 21. My wife keeps threatening to get rid of it as it is stiff and see through in areas. Although I haven't worn it in years, and it wouldn't fit anyways. I digress....
I had an "Ollie North American Hero" T-shirt someone got me back in the 80's. That sumbitch was tattered and used later in it's life as a gym T-shirt, then finally as a kick-around-the-house shirt. My wife said she didn't know what happened to it but I believe otherwise......:sad:
Before we adopted our daughters I had a pretty good collection of Hooters Tee-Shirts from around the country. Several of them had mysterious bleach accidents during laundering.
I think such subjects are taught in women school.
Anyways, after I was firmly wrapped around my little girls' fingers I got rid of them.
Averageman
05-04-18, 13:43
I had an "Ollie North American Hero" T-shirt someone got me back in the 80's. That sumbitch was tattered and used later in it's life as a gym T-shirt, then finally as a kick-around-the-house shirt. My wife said she didn't know what happened to it but I believe otherwise......:sad:
My ex did this with a well broken in pair of Tony Lama's.
I have new boots and a new Wife, this one know better.
LMT Shooter
05-04-18, 16:58
Anybody else still have an NRA "My President Is Charlton Heston" tee?
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