View Full Version : LT GENERAL MCINERNEY CALLS McCain SONGBIRD JOHN
platoonDaddy
05-10-18, 17:49
For years I have called him the "Manchurian Candidate", thought Songbird was too kind.
LT GENERAL THOMAS MCINERNEY CONDEMNED REBUKE OF HASPEL – CALLS HIM SONGBIRD JOHN
https://youtu.be/3FTlym9gn3w
McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
http://www.pacificpundit.com/2018/05/10/lt-general-thomas-mcinerney-condemned-rebuke-of-haspel-calls-him-songbird-john/
Didn't that scumbag give info that got people killed, and later pardoned? A disgrace to those who have served past and present.
I cannot stand John McCain. He is a Deep State RINO if there ever was one.
That said, I will never criticize him for what may have happened in the Hanoi Hilton, shy of becoming a total turncoat (which I've never heard of happening). Did he break under torture? Probably, but ANY ONE OF US would break facing the same things done like he faced. This isn't waterboarding we're talking about, but actual freaking torture. Things like using ropes and bars to pull your shoulders out of socket. Using strips of tires to whip your flesh away. REAL shit. I've heard more than one Vietnam POW say "Everyone has a breaking point, EVERYONE."
For all the reasons I despise McCain, his actions while a POW are not among them.
dwhitehorne
05-10-18, 18:38
I can't imagine what McCain went through as a POW. I do find it ironic that now he condemns Trumps nominee for CIA when he voted for John Brennan who was so vocal in support of enhanced interrogation when involved with it.
Didn't that scumbag give info that got people killed, and later pardoned? A disgrace to those who have served past and present.
Whom are you speaking of?
McInerney never was a POW. McCain admitted that he broke under torture and signed confessions. None of which contained info about military plans = which as a fighter pilot would have been stale anyway.
The link goes to the typical unsubstantiated internet bullshit:
Finally, someone has called John McCain for what he’s really known for. Songbird John McCain is the name given to him after he told the Vietnamese everything they asked of him, including highly classified information about the U.S. Military, plans, and so forth. McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
Someone with the least bit knowledge of McCain and VN would know that this statement is false:
McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
McCain's father became CINCPAC after his capture. The NVNese offered him earlier release, which he refused. He was released with 108 other POW's in 1973 (reportedly the NVNese released by date of capture).
I've been reading about and following McCain's career since the 1980's. Other than his break with sanity by running with Palin, I pretty much agree with the way he has handled himself. You should read his books, he has a pretty good guy helping him.
It pisses me off that a draft dodging President, a senile former General, and an anonmous facebooker have disparaged his service because they don't agree with his position.
FWIW, it think she should head the CIA.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-10-18, 19:39
Brennan likes her, that scares the crap out of me.
McCain is McCain.
Whom are you speaking of?
McInerney never was a POW. McCain admitted that he broke under torture and signed confessions. None of which contained info about military plans = which as a fighter pilot would have been stale anyway.
The link goes to the typical unsubstantiated internet bullshit:
Finally, someone has called John McCain for what he’s really known for. Songbird John McCain is the name given to him after he told the Vietnamese everything they asked of him, including highly classified information about the U.S. Military, plans, and so forth. McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
Someone with the least bit knowledge of McCain and VN would know that this statement is false:
McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
McCain's father became CINCPAC after his capture. The NVNese offered him earlier release, which he refused. He was released with 108 other POW's in 1973 (reportedly the NVNese released by date of capture).
I've been reading about and following McCain's career since the 1980's. Other than his break with sanity by running with Palin, I pretty much agree with the way he has handled himself. You should read his books, he has a pretty good guy helping him.
It pisses me off that a draft dodging President, a senile former General, and an anonmous facebooker have disparaged his service because they don't agree with his position.
FWIW, it think she should head the CIA.
I was referring to McCain. All that is contrary to what I have read about him, and not via the book of face. I honestly don't know enough to take a definitive stance on his time as a POW; I believe him to be a scumbag for a number of other reasons. Particularly that of his wisdom on firearms.
Cagemonkey
05-10-18, 20:38
Good Vid on the subject; https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=E_TvY8H-mWs When this POS dies, the Media will be playing the propaganda of his heroism, ad nauseum.
Averageman
05-10-18, 21:06
Sitting aside what has happened since he left the Navy and taking in to account the last twenty years of his career, I'm sorry, I'm not impressed.
Although he wears the seal of GOP approval, he certainly has not been very conservative.
He has been quick to appease the left, especially on DACA and as a Representative of Arizona, I'm not sure that name recognition alone must be the only thing getting him re-elected.
The_War_Wagon
05-10-18, 21:09
For years I have called him the "Manchurian Candidate", thought Songbird was too kind.
Shitbird, would be a good compromise. Must be that AZ heat, that makes Republicans wilt. Poor ol' Barry Goldwater... :(
Good Vid on the subject; https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=E_TvY8H-mWs When this POS dies, the Media will be playing the propaganda of his heroism, ad nauseum.
Oh, eff me running.
That dude is an Alex Jones conspiracy nut, same as McInerney, except I don't think McInerney was ever on the show. Not to mention a real deal leaker: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y_pLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QfkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7047,529503&dq=pieczenik&hl=en
The first part of the video, which I suffered through, is factually incorrect - McCain was seated in his A$, with tail outboard - toward the ocean - when a zuni was fired from an F-4 and started the blaze.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/aug/07/blog-posting/posts-blame-john-mccain-deadly-1967-fire-aboard-us/
Once again, eff me running.
RetroRevolver77
05-10-18, 21:35
McCain's greatest achievement was fooling the American people to think he was a Republican.
Brennan likes her, that scares the crap out of me.
McCain is McCain.
That’s a resounding condemnation if I ever heard one. Brennan would be one of the first ones I’d put on trial. :mad:
Cagemonkey
05-11-18, 19:52
Oh, eff me running.
That dude is an Alex Jones conspiracy nut, same as McInerney, except I don't think McInerney was ever on the show. Not to mention a real deal leaker: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y_pLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QfkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7047,529503&dq=pieczenik&hl=en
The first part of the video, which I suffered through, is factually incorrect - McCain was seated in his A$, with tail outboard - toward the ocean - when a zuni was fired from an F-4 and started the blaze.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/aug/07/blog-posting/posts-blame-john-mccain-deadly-1967-fire-aboard-us/
Once again, eff me running.He did screw up the factual account of the Forestal incident.
In my mind McCains sin was that knowing the Vietnamese kept POW's as a bargaining chip after we promised we would help rebuild their country, and failed
to do so, he turned his back on them and politically attacked anyone who brought it up.
He did screw up the factual account of the Forestal incident.
AS I understood, the Navy investigation 'thought' the plane next to him was the one hit. Seems plausible that if you were going through check lists and all of a sudden stuff started blowing up and your plane is in flames there might be some confusion.
(Goodness, bless my heart, don't I sound like an apologist)
McCain's greatest achievement was fooling the American people to think he was a Republican.
^^^^This sums it up nicely.
just a scout
05-12-18, 06:12
McCain is a PoS. For all his talk of leadership and honor over the decades he’s been in office, that prick is one of the first to hurt the military by cutting the wrong parts of the budget. He always for big weapons programs, can’t think of one he didn’t like. And he ALWAYS is is falling over himself to send troops somewhere to do something. But also also stymies VA reform. He wears the Republican mantle but never votes conservative, always Progressive. **** this douche canoe.
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First I had heard of his nickname of "songbird" or "tweetybird" while in the Hanoi Hilton was back in 07 or so. Guy I was working with worked with a couple guys who were there(and also had been pilots that had been shot down). They were all pissed when he was running for POTUS and were very vocal according to this guy I worked with. I did some more checking and found other people talking about this.
Again who knows what they hell went on behind the doors of the Hanoi Hilton and I know it wasnt nice things, but when a lot of people are calling McCain out for this stuff years ago, something is amiss in the who said what accounts.
Pappabear and I attended a fund raiser called Whiskey and War Stories (Thanks to Paul @ Bravo Company). It was nice to hear Viet Nam POW stories from guys who weren't milking it for Votes.
I remember McCain spoke at my Junior High back in the 80s. I was turned off by his use of his imprisonment for sympathy... I can just sniff out a scum bag. The libby teachers were in tears.
I'm no fan of some of Senator McCain's policy positions, but have nothing but respect for his service and sacrifice. In my opinion, Retired Lieutenant General McInerney demonstrated churlishness in his comments about Senator McCain.
Averageman
05-12-18, 11:54
First I had heard of his nickname of "songbird" or "tweetybird" while in the Hanoi Hilton was back in 07 or so.
Again who knows what they hell went on behind the doors of the Hanoi Hilton and I know it wasnt nice things, but when a lot of people are calling McCain out for this stuff years ago, something is amiss in the who said what accounts.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611
The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it agreed to brief House Intelligence Committee members about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.
We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.
I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it.
Makes you go "Hmmmmm?" Doesn't it?
The McCain/Trump hate goes deep. Not only did McCain decide to bad mouth Trump during the Primaries, once he got some pay back, like "My Hero's don't get captured." the whole mess escalated, well; "Hugely!"
I honestly believe McCain was increasingly jealous as Trump began eliminating the field of rivals and to no small degree McCain was jealous and the pettiness on both sides escalated.
It's no secret McCain took the Steele document to the DOJ, it's no secret he sent folks to Europe to retrieve and get access to the documents, but you have to ask yourself would McCain in his fit of jealous rage work with the DOJ to help infiltrate the Trump campaign?
I would perhaps be not surprised at this point.
If there was ever an insider willing to work against conservatism in order to promote the one party insiders it is and will remain John McCain and it will be so until the day he dies.
Keep it civil and respectful. Whether you disagree with someone's political stance, view or behavior, keep it clean.
McCain is nothing if not livid that Trump became POTUS, when he absolutely believes it was his destiny to be POTUS instead. That a political outsider who never amassed a war hero resume could do what he couldn’t, burns him to his core. So rather than being noble and focusing on his family in his final days, he’s burning everyone and everything he doesn’t like on his way out. He’s being quite ignoble on his way out. It’s unbecoming and detrimental to everyone involved. I can and do respect his service, but that ended 37 years ago and I haven’t seen him do anything resembling honorable since then. :(
Averageman
05-12-18, 19:04
McCain is nothing if not livid that Trump became POTUS, when he absolutely believes it was his destiny to be POTUS instead. That a political outsider who never amassed a war hero resume could do what he couldn’t, burns him to his core. So rather than being noble and focusing on his family in his final days, he’s burning everyone and everything he doesn’t like on his way out. He’s being quite ignoble on his way out. It’s unbecoming and detrimental to everyone involved. I can and do respect his service, but that ended 37 years ago and I haven’t seen him do anything resembling honorable since then. :(
Yes to all of that, but...
Is he capable of being the guy who helped get a guy inside the Team Trump strategy meetings to report back to the DOJ/FBI machine?
I would have to say, he certainly had both motive and opportunities.
Given his nature, I think it's a good possibility.
Averageman
05-15-18, 13:44
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/15/reports-indicate-fbi-cia-secret-source-spying-trump-campaign/
But Strassel points out that many questions remain. She wrote:
“The players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?
“And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.”
Strassel said if the source predates that tip on Papadopoulos, things could get very uncomfortable for the FBI. She urged President Trump to move to declassify “everything possible.” “It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid,” she wrote.
If you'll remember John McCain had his hands on this stuff early in the game and admitted that he turned it over immediately.
First I had heard of his nickname of "songbird" or "tweetybird" while in the Hanoi Hilton was back in 07 or so. Guy I was working with worked with a couple guys who were there(and also had been pilots that had been shot down). They were all pissed when he was running for POTUS and were very vocal according to this guy I worked with. I did some more checking and found other people talking about this.
Again who knows what they hell went on behind the doors of the Hanoi Hilton and I know it wasnt nice things, but when a lot of people are calling McCain out for this stuff years ago, something is amiss in the who said what accounts.
This.
He's milked his POW status into millions of dollars.
Would I want to go through what he went through, no, but he (and John Kerry) have no problem milking their VN service into a fat cash cow.
I cannot stand John McCain. He is a Deep State RINO if there ever was one.
That said, I will never criticize him for what may have happened in the Hanoi Hilton, shy of becoming a total turncoat (which I've never heard of happening). Did he break under torture? Probably, but ANY ONE OF US would break facing the same things done like he faced. This isn't waterboarding we're talking about, but actual freaking torture. Things like using ropes and bars to pull your shoulders out of socket. Using strips of tires to whip your flesh away. REAL shit. I've heard more than one Vietnam POW say "Everyone has a breaking point, EVERYONE."
For all the reasons I despise McCain, his actions while a POW are not among them.
Just saved me a LOT of typing.
If you weren't a POW who was also tortured at Hanoi, you don't get to criticize him for that. Criticize him for his role in the Keating Five S&L scandal or anything else, but he held up as well as any man during Vietnam.
I also seem to recall he declined a trade deal which would have allowed him to go home. How many men would have turned that one down? Not sure I would have. With that single act, he bought a lifetime of integrity regarding his Vietnam service, at least as far as I'm concerned.
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