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So a can of MK19 40 MM HE rounds falls off a HUMVEE, no big deal what would you do with them if you found them but the Air Force Global Strike Command directed an immediate inventory search of weapons in the 5th Bomb Wing and 91st Missile Wing and now a M-240 is missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/18/air-force-base-searches-for-missing-machine-gun-shortly-after-losing-grenades.print.html
So a can of MK19 40 MM HE rounds falls off a HUMVEE, no big deal what would you do with them if you found them but the Air Force Global Strike Command directed an immediate inventory search of weapons in the 5th Bomb Wing and 91st Missile Wing and now a M-240 is missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/18/air-force-base-searches-for-missing-machine-gun-shortly-after-losing-grenades.print.html
Holy shit;
No. Body. Panic... Bob Lost the M-240...
This is crazy, it landed on the Rez, the case of 40mm did; I am sure those are LONG gone and in someone's possession by now.
The M-240 though, that's inside. And I am smelling dirty play where someone really might get away with stockpiling the SOB in a hole somewhere.
SomeOtherGuy
05-18-18, 09:01
now a M-240 is missing.
Check the Las Vegas lost-and-found.
Averageman
05-18-18, 10:06
I'm not sure how they handle this now, but...
lock everyone down and no one goes to an appointment, birth of a child, home to change clothes or get a shower and just start tearing the place apart.
The more painful it becomes for everyone involved, the quicker it will appear.
It didn't waalk out of the arms room on it's own and everyone has a first and second line Supervisor they all have to pay.
Check the Las Vegas lost-and-found.
This was literally the first thing I thought..
BrigandTwoFour
05-18-18, 11:14
When I was active at another ICBM base, Minot was always the one we rolled our eyes at because mistakes just always seemed to happen there. The culmination was a series of emails from a commander years back talking about "rot" in the crew force.
People will absolutely get fired over this series of mistakes, and rightly so. Someone will do a manning study and show that there aren't enough people available to meet the demand, and people are too tired/too junior/too unsupervised, and some staff weenie will make a powerpoint presentation saying how they will fix it. And then it will get covered up without really fixing it.
The junior enlisted to NCO ratio at those bases is ridiculously bad.
Moose-Knuckle
05-18-18, 14:18
Check the Las Vegas lost-and-found.
You sir win the interwebz for the day.
titsonritz
05-18-18, 14:47
What's all the huff? It's just a machine gun and few a grenades.
What's all the huff? It's just a machine gun and few a grenades.
I know, right. The NRA hands that shit out to all their members already anyway.
Check the Las Vegas lost-and-found.
You sir win the interwebz for the day.
I know, right. The NRA hands that shit out to all their members already anyway.
These good men are some of the reasons why I feel like M4C is a home-away-from home. Like... A Home-away-from-home in the sketchy part of town where a biker club is. Attracts all the riff-raff, but the core guys sure kick some interwebz ass.
These comments made my day.
It was a B-52 from Minot that flew the nuclear-armed cruise missiles down to Barksdale AFB a few years ago.
It was a B-52 from Minot that flew the nuclear-armed cruise missiles down to Barksdale AFB a few years ago.
Yep. Compared to that a missing M240 is small potatoes. Enough to cost a base commander his job, though.
Moose-Knuckle
05-18-18, 16:54
It was a B-52 from Minot that flew the nuclear-armed cruise missiles down to Barksdale AFB a few years ago.
Is that the flight that ejected a nuke into a muddy river bank and it's still missing to this day?
I thought I was reading Ian Fleming's Thunderball when I was reading about that one.
No, no dropped/jettisoned weapons in this incident.
Moose-Knuckle
05-18-18, 18:16
No, no dropped/jettisoned weapons in this incident.
Found it, so this is what you were talking about. A Bent Spear incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident
The incident I was thinking about was one of the B-52 crashes that happened in 1961 where the weapon has never been recovered.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/17483/8-nuclear-weapons-us-has-lost
I'm not sure how they handle this now, but...
lock everyone down and no one goes to an appointment, birth of a child, home to change clothes or get a shower and just start tearing the place apart.
The more painful it becomes for everyone involved, the quicker it will appear.
It didn't waalk out of the arms room on it's own and everyone has a first and second line Supervisor they all have to pay.
BTDT. The .mil don't play when it comes to sensitive items!
BrigandTwoFour
05-18-18, 19:52
BTDT. The .mil don't play when it comes to sensitive items!
One of the [recurring] problems is that the "burn them all" philosophy worked fine when there were 600,000+ people. Ruining the careers of 10-20 at a time was no big deal when you had ready replacement.
The issue facing the Air Force, at all unit and not just this one, is that everyone is already at 40-60% of the manning they should have. Four years ago, Malmstrom AFB suspended a little less than half of their ICBM crew force (200ish total, 90 suspended) to investigate a cheating scandal (that involved 5 people). There is no way to make up that gap. The alerts still have to happen, 2 officers per launch center, 15 launch centers) and now there are even less people to do them with. Group punishment had its place in SAC, but it starts to lose its effectiveness when the only way to make up for it and still meet mission objectives is to take even more shortcuts.
One of the [recurring] problems is that the "burn them all" philosophy worked fine when there were 600,000+ people. Ruining the careers of 10-20 at a time was no big deal when you had ready replacement.
The issue facing the Air Force, at all unit and not just this one, is that everyone is already at 40-60% of the manning they should have. Four years ago, Malmstrom AFB suspended a little less than half of their ICBM crew force (200ish total, 90 suspended) to investigate a cheating scandal (that involved 5 people). There is no way to make up that gap. The alerts still have to happen, 2 officers per launch center, 15 launch centers) and now there are even less people to do them with. Group punishment had its place in SAC, but it starts to lose its effectiveness when the only way to make up for it and still meet mission objectives is to take even more shortcuts.
I didn't say I agreed with "group punishment" but it is what it is. That's how .mil plays it. Shit rolls downhill but also rolls uphill too.
Given the general unaccountability in our society today the military goes 180 degrees the opposite, but it always has crushed folks up or down the problem-chain. Just the way it is and has been.
SeriousStudent
05-18-18, 23:06
Yeah, my first thought was "Somebody's going to smoke a turd over this."
I can remember spending three days dragging a river looking for a missing M-16A2. The poor kid that lost it damn near committed ritual seppuku when we could not find it.
And that was not a belt-fed or a can of HEDP.
Yep. A big fat moist juicy turd.....
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