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Now that the P30 is not unobtainium, has anyone run these in DA/SA, and have ample time on the CZ to compare?
I always hear people complain about the HK trigger but they seem decent (stock) to me when I handle them.
I know DA/SA is about as popular as Hilliary these days but here it goes...
I recently picked up a lightly used P30L and have a decent amount of trigger time behind CZs. For me to choose which trigger is better Id have to shoot them side by side. Both are good examples of a DA/SA trigger.
Ive read that the DA pull on the P30 can be a bit rough and stack when the gun is new but gets better once broken in. Since mine is used I couldn't tell you because it has a pretty decent trigger.
I’d love to hear more answers myself
Both are recent acquisitions for me, a new P30 v3 and lightly used P07.
The P30 is hard for me to shoot well even in SA. It really forced me to evaluate and refine my technique. I'm slowly getting better with it. After 600 rounds of shooting the P30 (a lot in DA) I went back to the P07 and can now shoot that about as well in DA as I can with a good striker fired gun.
I look at it like even if I never shoot the P30 well, my technique is better and I shoot everything else I own better.
BrigandTwoFour
05-28-18, 07:02
I went through this same battle for most of last year, but also add in the M&P 2.0, VP9, PPQ, and P320.
I ended up with the P-07, and have been very happy with it.
Between the P30 and P-07, I basically had to decide what my long term plans were. Out of the box, I felt that the P30 was going to be the better all-round pistol, even if I didn't like it's trigger as much. Performance between the two was a wash, with both being more than "good enough." I expect that the HK would be more reliable in the long run, because HK, but the P-07 is no slouch.
Ultimately, I went with the CZ for a few reasons.
1. My primary purpose for shopping was to get a new carry pistol. Dimensionally, the P30 was closer to the FNS-9 I was trying to replace. The CZ was just a tad shorter, narrower, and lighter, which made it better for carry to me. Note that I am a "one pistol all year" kind of guy. I don't really do a sub compact summer carry and a full size winter carry.
2. The manual of arms on the CZ is closer to what I've grown accustomed to through carry, competition, and training. I'm sure I could get used to the paddle release on the P30, but it's just a data point.
3. There are a several companies out there known for doing fantastic work with CZs, and the feedback on worked over P-07s has been fantastic. This is route I knew I wanted to go.
So, those were my decision points between the two (aside from cost, that is). I like to tinker, or have others tinker. If those data points aren't important to you, then so be it. They are both great guns, IMO.
I have both Hk and CZ’s.
If it was me I would pick up and urban grey P07, get it stippled, and add a CGW trigger kit.
I prefer the P07 and it’s easier for me to shoot well. Also the cost savings will allow you to throw a CGW trigger kit in it. That is a huge difference.
I currently have a P01,P07,P09,and Shadow.
Only one Hk45 left and its for sale.
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I have a Lite LEM V1 P30 and it a dream to shoot..but I can see a 07 in my future. Nice ergos and with the suppressor night sights and threaded barrel and a nice price point...
hotrodder636
05-29-18, 12:53
I cannot make a direct comparison from HK to CZ, but have some experience with the HK. Both my wife and I have P30s with near 3000 rounds each.
When both guns were new the triggers had some stacking but no grittiness. After about 1000 rounds I would guess both have smoothed out a lot. While not as nice as the DA on my WC Brigadier Tactical they are pretty nice. I am not a huge trigger snob in the first place, so I have a wide allowance for trigger performance. I cannot tell the nuances that some speak of. I learn the trigger for the gun and shoot appropriately.
shadowrider
05-29-18, 13:19
I just acquired a P30 V3 and the DA pull does stack some but it's getting better with use. Probably has about 700 rounds on it so far and that many dryfires at least. The SA pull is quite nice, long reset but overall it's totally shootable after getting used to it.
azeriosu85
06-03-18, 13:23
I will add to this thread, but my experiences will hurt some feelz.
With the new 2018 price drop on the HK P30's i was stoked! Figured i'd finally be able to get a few and get really good with the platform. I had a nice $1000 P30L back in 2013 that was nice but had a few FTE's i chocked up to "break-in". Sold it and have not had one until this year.
First one I purchased brand new back in April. At the new price point of $565. Felt great, was very happy. Took it out and put 400 rounds of 124gr Nato +P through it then some standard ammo and Federal HST. Ejection/extraction was all over the place. At about round number 520ish i started having bad FTE's. I took it apart inspected extractor and other parts of the gun, no issues seen. Figured it might be lighter ammo, so i ran 150 rounds of HST through it. 124gr +P as well. I had about 14 FTE's and a few weird things as well. Ejection was still all over since round 1. I was pissed. Traded it off and took a month off from new guns.
Fast forward to May, I bought another HK P30. Decided to give the platform one more try. Upon initial inspection i was bummed. MASSIVE tool markings under the slide. Probably the worst I've seen. Even worse than the older early 2000's CZ 75's. The grip panels seemed to have a different texture on them. They look the same but something about it just didn't feel the same as the older pre 2017 date code HK P30's. Both of these were 2018 by the way. Anyways, I headed out to the range. This time ready to go. 800 rounds of Nato 124gr +p, 250 rounds of WWB 115gr and 100 rounds of Federal HST. This Mofo was getting a workout. all was well until about 200 rounds in and ejections started getting more erratic. I figured maybe i was being a little girl and limp writing so i did the next two hundred with a gorilla grip and locked wrist...still no difference other than thumb knuckle pain lol. It fed them all but at about 700 rounds i got a 50/50 rate of 12:00 ejection, and BTF. Getting empties to 3:00 seemed luck of the draw and maybe 15% of the time with all ammo and multiple shooters. Left the range defeated and felt bad about the whole experience.
I decided to give it one last try after a good cleaning last week. Took it out with my new G19X and had a few other shooters there too to shoot it. once again I was getting 9:00 ejection/12:00/ etc you name it. Plus plenty of BTF. Round count at this time was over 1,000. "Stiff recoil spring" be damned as i ran some hot ammo through this sucker. Thus I haven't decided what i'm going to do with it yet. But I know for a fact it will be replaced with a CZ P-07 or P-01.
The P-07 seems very well built, and the gun looks to be a great AIWB candidate. At this time If i were you I would look for an older P30 or go 100% CZ P-07. Even though most dislike MAC's videos on the gauntlet, the P-07 seemed to be outstanding and was the only gun so far that did just as well as the rex.
There's my long winded experience anyways.
Guinnessman
06-07-18, 07:42
I will add to this thread, but my experiences will hurt some feelz.
With the new 2018 price drop on the HK P30's i was stoked! Figured i'd finally be able to get a few and get really good with the platform. I had a nice $1000 P30L back in 2013 that was nice but had a few FTE's i chocked up to "break-in". Sold it and have not had one until this year.
First one I purchased brand new back in April. At the new price point of $565. Felt great, was very happy. Took it out and put 400 rounds of 124gr Nato +P through it then some standard ammo and Federal HST. Ejection/extraction was all over the place. At about round number 520ish i started having bad FTE's. I took it apart inspected extractor and other parts of the gun, no issues seen. Figured it might be lighter ammo, so i ran 150 rounds of HST through it. 124gr +P as well. I had about 14 FTE's and a few weird things as well. Ejection was still all over since round 1. I was pissed. Traded it off and took a month off from new guns.
Fast forward to May, I bought another HK P30. Decided to give the platform one more try. Upon initial inspection i was bummed. MASSIVE tool markings under the slide. Probably the worst I've seen. Even worse than the older early 2000's CZ 75's. The grip panels seemed to have a different texture on them. They look the same but something about it just didn't feel the same as the older pre 2017 date code HK P30's. Both of these were 2018 by the way. Anyways, I headed out to the range. This time ready to go. 800 rounds of Nato 124gr +p, 250 rounds of WWB 115gr and 100 rounds of Federal HST. This Mofo was getting a workout. all was well until about 200 rounds in and ejections started getting more erratic. I figured maybe i was being a little girl and limp writing so i did the next two hundred with a gorilla grip and locked wrist...still no difference other than thumb knuckle pain lol. It fed them all but at about 700 rounds i got a 50/50 rate of 12:00 ejection, and BTF. Getting empties to 3:00 seemed luck of the draw and maybe 15% of the time with all ammo and multiple shooters. Left the range defeated and felt bad about the whole experience.
I decided to give it one last try after a good cleaning last week. Took it out with my new G19X and had a few other shooters there too to shoot it. once again I was getting 9:00 ejection/12:00/ etc you name it. Plus plenty of BTF. Round count at this time was over 1,000. "Stiff recoil spring" be damned as i ran some hot ammo through this sucker. Thus I haven't decided what i'm going to do with it yet. But I know for a fact it will be replaced with a CZ P-07 or P-01.
The P-07 seems very well built, and the gun looks to be a great AIWB candidate. At this time If i were you I would look for an older P30 or go 100% CZ P-07. Even though most dislike MAC's videos on the gauntlet, the P-07 seemed to be outstanding and was the only gun so far that did just as well as the rex.
There's my long winded experience anyways.
Have you contacted HK Customer service regarding your issues? I would be curious to hear what they say.
Have you contacted HK Customer service regarding your issues? I would be curious to hear what they say.
ME TOO!
I had the P30L DA/SA and it was smooth and I liked it, but I sold it. I have a P30 LEM light and love it. But in the world of DA/SA the Sig Legion 229/226 is in a league of its on. But I love HK and have 3 fine HK guns.
PB
I own a HK P30v3 in .40 and it is my EDC. I own a a CZ P07 and the 75 SP-01 Tactical chambered in .40. Along with many other weapons from various manufacturers. I am selling the CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical btw just because it collects dust. CZ hands down has a better trigger from a competitive shooting standpoint. However, replace the two main firing pin springs on the HK and the trigger will have a shorter break and less travel. Accuracy, was about the same between the P30 and P07, the P30 was superior to the SP-01 due to recoil. I can say that if blindfolded and given each of the guns one at a time the HK has less recoil than the CZ P07 and much less than the SP-01 shooting a 180 grain FMJ. I think many do not realize that HK weapons are built with combat usage in mind, not competition shooting, just like all their other weapons. If you are under fire you are not going to pause and say hmmm this USP or P30's trigger travel needs tweaking. The HK VP40 is an awesome sweetass striker fire pistol that comes with a very smooth/crisp trigger and now that you don't need a loan to buy HK pistols I am seeing more at the range now. Bought my latest H&K P30 V3 .40 cal for 499.99 at https://www.cdnnsports.com. I am not a fanboy of any weapons manufacturer. CZ makes a great sidearm and would not think twice about using it as my sidearms in combat. Love the Scorpion also aka lil meat grinder!
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.'' -Sir Winston Churchill
"Liberals don't love their kids, they tolerate them for the sake of sparing their agenda extinction".
I have never heard of anyone having issues like this. Making a statement about the shotgun ejector and FTE then not replying to "Did you contact HK support?" I am smelling something and it smells like poop!
Adrenaline_6
08-02-19, 07:26
I have never heard of anyone having issues like this. Making a statement about the shotgun ejector and FTE then not replying to "Did you contact HK support?" I am smelling something and it smells like poop!
Yup. Poo-poo stinky.
I own a HK P30v3 in .40 and it is my EDC. I own a a CZ P07 and the 75 SP-01 Tactical chambered in .40. Along with many other weapons from various manufacturers. I am selling the CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical btw just because it collects dust. CZ hands down has a better trigger from a competitive shooting standpoint. However, replace the two main firing pin springs on the HK and the trigger will have a shorter break and less travel. Accuracy, was about the same between the P30 and P07, the P30 was superior to the SP-01 due to recoil. I can say that if blindfolded and given each of the guns one at a time the HK has less recoil than the CZ P07 and much less than the SP-01 shooting a 180 grain FMJ. I think many do not realize that HK weapons are built with combat usage in mind, not competition shooting, just like all their other weapons. If you are under fire you are not going to pause and say hmmm this USP or P30's trigger travel needs tweaking. The HK VP40 is an awesome sweetass striker fire pistol that comes with a very smooth/crisp trigger and now that you don't need a loan to buy HK pistols I am seeing more at the range now. Bought my latest H&K P30 V3 .40 cal for 499.99 at https://www.cdnnsports.com. I am not a fanboy of any weapons manufacturer. CZ makes a great sidearm and would not think twice about using it as my sidearms in combat. Love the Scorpion also aka lil meat grinder!
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.'' -Sir Winston Churchill
"Liberals don't love their kids, they tolerate them for the sake of sparing their agenda extinction".
Gray Guns has a drop in trigger assembly for the P30 now for @$99. Shorter reset, less overtravel, and pull weight. https://grayguns.com/product/hk-p30-p2000-short-reset-system-without-thumb-safety/
Lazy Wolf (a break off of Gray Guns) is developing their version soon.
Hahaha I was trying to keep the potty mouth of mine out of the conversation.
I have been around HK weapons since they were handing out the MP5 series. Love the Mk23 SOCOM, never thought of it as a primary weapon and I think it was a general consensus. Unless of course I was on a sniper mission. It was my favorite 45 cal sidearm along with toting the Sig P226 for years then they want to take all sidearms away and say here is your Glock it will be your sidearm. Needless to say most did not take that well and some didn't care. But I am not a Gunsmith but have worked on SO many weapons that I was able to custom my HK P30 with the new lighter firing pin spring. The newer batches of the P30 came with the lighter version of the elbow spring for the trigger. That spring is a pain in the arse to replace so glad it came installed. HK will be the first to tell you not to work on "their" weapons unless you are professionally trained by a HK gunsmith.blah blah and then blah. So for fun, we took them up on that and said we have 4 long guns and multiple pistols that need maintenance and oh by the way we are in the Kunar Province of Afghanistan. See you soon? LOL. They don't have a sense of humor but that's ok...we do!!!!
Adrenaline_6
08-02-19, 09:58
I have been around HK weapons since they were handing out the MP5 series. Love the Mk23 SOCOM, never thought of it as a primary weapon and I think it was a general consensus. Unless of course I was on a sniper mission. It was my favorite 45 cal sidearm along with toting the Sig P226 for years then they want to take all sidearms away and say here is your Glock it will be your sidearm. Needless to say most did not take that well and some didn't care. But I am not a Gunsmith but have worked on SO many weapons that I was able to custom my HK P30 with the new lighter firing pin spring. The newer batches of the P30 came with the lighter version of the elbow spring for the trigger. That spring is a pain in the arse to replace so glad it came installed. HK will be the first to tell you not to work on "their" weapons unless you are professionally trained by a HK gunsmith.blah blah and then blah. So for fun, we took them up on that and said we have 4 long guns and multiple pistols that need maintenance and oh by the way we are in the Kunar Province of Afghanistan. See you soon? LOL. They don't have a sense of humor but that's ok...we do!!!!
Here you go. https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/Trigger-Return-Spring-Tool-For-All-HK-Pistols-p16031.htm
One of my favorite websites. Thanks for sharing though bro! Yeah that spring is now being replaced with the new "lighter" TRS and shipped out. Not sure when HK decided to arbitraraly make this a part of the build but mine was made in 2014 so somewhere during that year? I was like YAY no need to replace it!
I have been around HK weapons since they were handing out the MP5 series. Love the Mk23 SOCOM, never thought of it as a primary weapon and I think it was a general consensus. Unless of course I was on a sniper mission. It was my favorite 45 cal sidearm along with toting the Sig P226 for years then they want to take all sidearms away and say here is your Glock it will be your sidearm. Needless to say most did not take that well and some didn't care. But I am not a Gunsmith but have worked on SO many weapons that I was able to custom my HK P30 with the new lighter firing pin spring. The newer batches of the P30 came with the lighter version of the elbow spring for the trigger. That spring is a pain in the arse to replace so glad it came installed. HK will be the first to tell you not to work on "their" weapons unless you are professionally trained by a HK gunsmith.blah blah and then blah. So for fun, we took them up on that and said we have 4 long guns and multiple pistols that need maintenance and oh by the way we are in the Kunar Province of Afghanistan. See you soon? LOL. They don't have a sense of humor but that's ok...we do!!!!
This is the first time I heard that newer P30's are coming with the lighter elbow spring. What exactly does the lighter elbow spring give over the standard one? I wonder what made them change it.
"Light Trigger Return Spring" is the actual part name. It reduces the overall trigger pull that so many complained about so my guess is they got tired of seeing bad reviews on the P30v3,v2,v1 series regarding trigger travel and release. The only way I found out HK started using this spring was several of my teammates have P30v3's from 2012 and you can visually see the difference in the thickness of the spring. I called HK and their answer was "this was intended for research purposes and feedback from buyers" but would not come out and admit this was a new standard. My son purchased the same pistol P30v3 and it was built in 2014 and it also had the new Light Trigger Return Spring. For me it really never mattered because it's a combat pistol not a competition pistol and when under fire I never paused and said, hmm you know the travel on this trigger is way to long....
"Light Trigger Return Spring" is the actual part name. It reduces the overall trigger pull that so many complained about so my guess is they got tired of seeing bad reviews on the P30v3,v2,v1 series regarding trigger travel and release. The only way I found out HK started using this spring was several of my teammates have P30v3's from 2012 and you can visually see the difference in the thickness of the spring. I called HK and their answer was "this was intended for research purposes and feedback from buyers" but would not come out and admit this was a new standard. My son purchased the same pistol P30v3 and it was built in 2014 and it also had the new Light Trigger Return Spring. For me it really never mattered because it's a combat pistol not a competition pistol and when under fire I never paused and said, hmm you know the travel on this trigger is way to long....
Interesting, thanks
I have both Hk and CZ’s.
If it was me I would pick up and urban grey P07, get it stippled, and add a CGW trigger kit.
I prefer the P07 and it’s easier for me to shoot well. Also the cost savings will allow you to throw a CGW trigger kit in it. That is a huge difference.
I currently have a P01,P07,P09,and Shadow.
Only one Hk45 left and its for sale.
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+1 on everything but the stipling.
CGW in my P07 & P09 make the triggers almost as good as my Shadow 2. Cost savings between the P30 and P07/09 easily paid for CGW trigger upgrade.
And love me some HK's as well.
I’ve owned both, my finger hates the P30 v3 trigger, shoot the P07 better.
Should know soon enough. I got tired of watching the Grey German P30S on sale at CF for $500. We'll see. I DID shoot one on the range some time ago, and it was about as good as my P07 - but different. But as always, it will take a case to start knowing the difference.
The trick about CZs, and especially P series is that they can be ALL over the map wrt DA triggers. I've seen them superb OTB, and some are just awful. I recently ALMOST sold one because even after a bunch of work and sending it back to CZUSA, it was mediocre with a stacking, etc. After some judicious studying and polishing, it is excellent.
Side by side my P07 is King of the 9s. But it’s had cajunizing and a case of ammo.
New p30s did well though. I shot it first yesterday and I rang the steel well at 7-8 yards and the trigger seemed decent deposite the length of pull and stacking. Eventually if I concentrated, I could group fairly well in DA. The P07 is just a cinch to do the same and is easier to group with because stacking and staging and grit are gone. But I ALMOST sold the p07 a few months ago because I needed to work
It more.
Next I will put the reduced FPBS in theP30 then compare. The Germans put a STUPID strong FPBS into their guns which is the supposed culprit. I also do NOT understand why someone doesn’t offer a reduced FP spring in HK and SIG like CGW does for CZ. Then you can run reduced mainsprings with no risk of light strikes . Too easy.
impactbumper
08-11-19, 23:01
I love my p30 line up. I have p30sk v3, p30l v3 and p30 lem
Ordered srt for all of them hopefully they arrive this week
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Put the light FPBS and wow - the stacking went away almost completely. There is still a bit of grit, but it is much better. Need to shoot side by side some more. Great gun. Sure wish someone made a slightly extended FP so you could run reduced mainsprings with no loss of ultimate reliability.
Todd Green ran a P30 to well over 90,000 rounds.
http://pistol-training.com/archives/category/range-reports/p30-thursday
I'd go with a P30, it just feels better in my hand.
Now I own both.
No doubt the p30 grip feels wonderful, but in terms of keeping you on target, drawing, etc., the P07 is equal.
The NS out of the box for the P07 are now better. Sight options are almost even, maybe an edge to the HK.
Durability - likely a nod to the HK, but the CZ is nota slouch. HOWEVER, TRS is a CZ problem across the board - its a weaker design.
Reliability/ Both are super.
Accuracy? likely mechanically the same. Trigger etc. weighs in here.
Trigger - maybe the tie breaker? CZ is likely better on most guns, and CAN be made SUPERB -AND is trivial to work on. Thus, IF I had ONE, it would likely be the CZ, despite the HK track record. CGW, because you can replace the FPS and then calibrate an 18 or 15 LB mainspring provides a lighter DA. Polishing makes this excellent, and the CZ has a SHORTER stroke. All combine to make an EXCELLENT trigger. HOWEVER, you can buy CZs that have HORRIBLE triggers and they don't get better with simple polishing, etc. I could write an essay. However, most can be tuned to very good, and some to perfection.
Other: Paddles destroy buttons - just a better system. The only reason for buttons is convention. Of course the penultimate mag release is the Walther P99 LONG paddles.
(I also think the slide finish on the CZ is a bit more durable).
Libertarian71
10-29-19, 02:28
I'd go with the CZ. The HK P30 fits nicely in the hand, but the trigger reset is way too long.
I own several of the later HKs, like a P30S, P2000, P2000SK, etc. All in 9mm---all DA/SA (except the P2000SK light LEM)---run LOTS of rounds thru them with zero issues---people say they hate the DA trigger pull, well, it just gets smoother with use---my wife is trained with the DAO trigger system, so we have two Kahr CW-9s and the P2000SK with the LEM trigger and these are the self-defense pistols hidden around the house (no kids)... CZs are great pistols as well, but heavier...
Adrenaline_6
10-29-19, 08:01
I'd go with the CZ. The HK P30 fits nicely in the hand, but the trigger reset is way too long.
I would agree...in the beginning of owning one. Now, after shooting a couple thousand rounds through one, I don't even notice it. Plus Gray Guns has a $99 kit you can buy that shortens it by a third if you want.
https://grayguns.com/product/hk-p30-p2000-short-reset-system-without-thumb-safety/
https://grayguns.com/product/hk-p30-short-reset-system-thumb-safety/
I am thinking about picking the kit up for sh*ts and giggles, but it isn't really necessary any more.
Short reset is way overblown. It is a big deal cuz it’s something people can measure, and someone figured out it’s a Glock selling point. Doesn’t seem to slow Jerry Miculek on a revolver.
I MIGHT want the kit anyway because it says it reduces over travel which is way more important in shooting dynamics.
I have a P30 and P30sk, both V3 models, and a CZ-75 with the Omega trigger. I prefer the HK pistols, but my P30 seems to have a better trigger than the P30sk. I think straight off the assembly line, there is a lot of pistol to pistol variation regardless of brand. I seem to have gotten better HKs than CZ. I've broken two return springs in the CZ and the CZ trigger is still terrible (lots of stacking and a gritty break). If I bought the pistols again, I might get an excellent CZ and a sup-par HKs.
True that the P07 can have a horrible trigger. It is best to go to a big show and pick from many. I’ve gotten some pretty bad ones from on-line sales. If you do a bunch of work you can fix a bunch of it.
I bought most of my pistols via Gunbroker, but that's a great idea. The cost and effort of trying to improve a pistol would probably drive the total cost above gunshow prices.
I bought most of my pistols via Gunbroker, but that's a great idea. The cost and effort of trying to improve a pistol would probably drive the total cost above gunshow prices.
For sure. If it is already smooth with no stacking it is truly nice. Add CGW springs and its an amazing thing. OTOH, if its gritty and stacks, it can take a BUNCH of work - much of it filing and smoothing the rear slope of the TB. Fortunately, the P guns are easy to strip and work on, but it takes some time to know what you are doing to make it right.
Have owned both, now only the CZ. For me, its just a better fit .
Blessed to have both and will run them tomorrow. I like both for various reasons. I probably shoot the P07 the best of all my guns with not much work. I also believe that the P30 is UTTERLY bomb proof and is a great firearm.
Again, the P07 comes out on top. Its the easiest pistol I have to shoot well.
Neither. But if I were forced the P30
Had a P09. Got rid of it. I’m over Czechnology.
SomeOtherGuy
11-12-19, 12:03
I've owned both, don't love either one. CZ is a really slick package until you start looking at the lockwork. They provide you the parts to swap safety to decocker and vice versa, and some very minimal instructions. Good luck! It's an absolute nightmare to get the decocker installed again, and the detent for the safety is so tiny it looks like a scrap piece to toss, but the little spring on it will throw it 10 feet away for you before you realize what you're losing. CF. And I have no problem working on 1911 lockwork or other moderately complicated GOOD designs.
The CZ has been accurate and soft recoiling (.40) for me when it's not down trying to fix the decocker. If you never touch the safety/decocker/lockwork - despite the manual saying you can and giving you some inadequate instructions on how - you would probably be OK.
The P30 is fine, but it requires some change in technique to shoot accurately even SA, the recoil impulse is weird, mags are $40 if you can find them, and nothing really impresses other than the name.
Neither. But if I were forced the P30
Had a P09. Got rid of it. I’m over Czechnology.
I have to ask, why? I have an idea though (see above).
Pretty much why.
Didn’t do anything any better.
Byzantine lockwork
Too different
Looked cool but again did nothing Glock didn’t do.
Life’s too short for it.
Actually The lockwork on the CZ p guns is easy once you master the decocker spring which gets mighty easy with an $8 tool on amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Extra-Watch-Removal-Repair/dp/B016A8I8HC/ref=lp_378531011_1_12?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1573823816&sr=1-12&nodeID=378531011&psd=1
Yes, I used to hate it, but again a very simple gun to work on and they are inherently accurate and easy to shoot extremely well. I may keep my P 30 for my lefty son.
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