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Sean Hannity: "So sir, you believe from each according to their ability to each according to their need?"
Obama supporter: "Yes, I do."
Hannity: "Do you know who said that?"
Obama supporter: "No, I don't"
:rolleyes:
Yessiree, ignorance is bliss. Bring on the Union of American Socialist Republics!
It's scary!
Most Obama supporters don't have a clue what this election is about.
One lady was asked if she thought Socialism was good for America.
She thought a second and then replied with an uncertain, "yes".
You could tell she had no idea what socialism was.
Ignorance is bliss!
I wear a t shirt that says "water board barack obama" and have yet to be questioned on it.....talk about ignorance!
I wanted to buy the shirt with the "Obama symbol" outlined by a sickle and hammer with the words "Obammunism", but my wife said people would probably be too stupid to understand and think I was supporting BHO.
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Borrowed from an Arfcom post.
I heard that exchange on the air today. Sad and pitiful, in the most un-funny way.
Hopefully we won't be hearing choruses of "I was only following orders" in 20 years...
Jay Cunningham
10-23-08, 20:45
Please post all items related to Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Sarah Palin and John McCain in this thread.
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I feel for all Gun-owners in the USA, here in Canada we just had a Federal election where the opposition Liberals were campaigning on a ban of semi-auto rifles and handguns. Thank god they were defeated. I only hope that your 2nd amendment protects you from the Left wing Liberal Democrats if they get in power. Hopefully the NRA will have enough political influence to defeat any anti-gun bill that Barack Osama will propose...
PS. As much as I like John McCain. Him being a POW in the Hanoi Hilton is enough for me, I'm afraid that the left wing media bias and financial backing of Barak Osama is unfortunately too much for this American Hero to overcome. Please America prove me wrong...
I was called once or twice to take part in a poll but it was soo long ago I can't remember exactly when it was. I know I was called being registered as a demorat to vote for Hillary in the primary;) and haven't reregistered, they stopped calling after I said McCain both times :rolleyes: As far as I know nobody I have spoken with has taken part in a poll, so where do they get these #'s?
Business_Casual
10-23-08, 22:03
The election isn't for another two weeks - why does everyone keep calling it for Obama?
The only "poll" that matters is the one we all go to on the first Tuesday in November.
Reagan was down 30 points or something crazy in October polls and went on to win almost every state in the Union.
Show up and vote.
M_P
The election isn't for another two weeks - why does everyone keep calling it for Obama?
The only "poll" that matters is the one we all go to on the first Tuesday in November.
Reagan was down 30 points or something crazy in October polls and went on to win almost every state in the Union.
Show up and vote.
M_P
Amen.....
You see how much money the Democrats have to spend on this election and you have to wonder who is behind it....Come on US military industrial complex, you stand to lose big $$$$
The election isn't for another two weeks - why does everyone keep calling it for Obama?
The only "poll" that matters is the one we all go to on the first Tuesday in November.
Reagan was down 30 points or something crazy in October polls and went on to win almost every state in the Union.
Show up and vote.
M_P
Amen.
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Phil J. Berg files motions to expedite resolution in Berg v.. Obama
Thursday, 23 October 2008 14:29
Plaintiff Phil J. Berg filed two motions today seeking an expedited resolution in Berg v. Obama. (PDF's of the motions are attached below.)
PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT AGAINST DEFENDANTS, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
This motion argues that the facts have been established that Barack Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be elected or serve as President of the United States, and that the Court should issue a summary judgment as follows:
* That Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a Barry Hussein Obama a/k/a Barack Dunham a/k/a Barry Dunham a/k/a Barack Soetoro a/k/a Barry Soetoro is not a “natural born” or “naturalized” United States citizen.
* That he is ineligible to run for and/or serve as President of the United States.
* That the Democratic National Committee be enjoined from naming Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the Democratic Presidential Candidate on the ballot.
* That the Democratic National Committee and Barack Hussein Obama, et al are enjoined from any further campaigning on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama, et al for Office of the Presidency.
* That Barack Hussein Obama’s, et al name be removed from any and all ballots for the Office of the President of the United States.
PLAINTIFF’S MOTION REQUESTING AN EXPEDITED RULING ON PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
This motion requests that the court:
* Grant Plaintiff’s Motion for Summary Judgment.
* Order that Defendants Response to Plaintiff=s Motion is to be filed and served upon Plaintiff by a specified date.
* Order that a Ruling, Hearing and/or Resolution be set for a specific date.
Robb Jensen
10-24-08, 06:39
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I had a poller call me yesterday After going through all the normal BS questions they asked who I was voting for after saying McCain they asked why and if there was any way they could change my mind.
Business_Casual
10-24-08, 07:33
Obama leads in the newspaper polls - market tanks again. A coincidence?
M_P
Robb Jensen
10-24-08, 07:37
Obama leads in the newspaper polls - market tanks again. A coincidence?
M_P
It's a pattern. He's a socialist....http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78945
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white spaniard
10-24-08, 09:37
I don't know is if it's true of not but here is article.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10242008/news/politics/mac_hater_slashed_up_my_face_135034.htm
A woman campaigning for John McCain in Pittsburgh claims she was mugged by a knife-wielding man who then "carved the letter 'B' into her face" after spotting a McCain bumper sticker on her car, police said yesterday.
Ashley Todd, 20, a Texas native, told police she was using a Citizens Bank ATM at about 8:55 p.m. Wednesday when a man rushed up, put a 4-to-5-inch knife to her throat and demanded money.
She said she gave him $60, and "she remembers moving away from [him]," said police spokeswoman Diane Richard.
"Then, she said, he noticed a McCain bumper sticker on her car and became very angry.
"[She] reported he punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, and continued to punch and kick while threatening to teach her a lesson for being a McCain supporter."
Richard said the victim said the attacker called her "a lot of names and stated that 'You are going to be a Barack supporter'," pinning her hands down while carving the letter B on her face "using what she believed to be a very dull knife."
Pennsylvania has been a key battleground state, where McCain and Barack Obama have both been campaigning hard.
The attack lasted 5-10 minutes, after which the suspect fled. Todd said she drove to a friend's house, cops said. That friend called police.
When an officer offered her medical attention, Todd said she'd go to the hospital the next day, Richard said.
Cops are treating the alleged attack with skepticism, unnamed law-enforcement sources told TMZ.com. A source told The Post that cops were considering administering a lie-detector test.
Richard would only say the investigation was continuing. Todd, who was being re-interviewed last night, remained inside the stationhouse early today.
"We can't substantiate that it was politically motivated," Richard said early today. She said police are trying to retrieve surveillance tape from the area.
After the attack, Todd posted this message on a GOP college blog: "Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and prayers - I'm phonebanking, so let's all work together and get John McCain elected."
It also appears she was using Twitter - a social-messaging Internet application for wireless devices - around the time of the reported attack.
In one post, she wrote, "Stubbornly searching for a Bank of America to avoid ATM fees," she said.
Shortly after, she wrote, "Pretty sure I'm on the wrong side of Pittsburgh."
McCain's campaign said he and Sarah Palin spoke to Todd's family yesterday.
Obama's campaign released a statement, saying, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice."
Ethan Eilon, executive director of the College Republican National Committee, the group Todd was volunteering with, said he'd spoken to her several times over the day.
"She's recovering. Obviously, she's had a pretty rough 24 hours," he said.
With Post Wire Services
RogerinTPA
10-24-08, 12:22
Took all of 10 minutes here in Clearwater, while in the Miami area, it's a 3 hour wait! Thank God for early voting here in FL.;)
Well, the "B" mugging turned out bunk.
http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html
I voted last Saturday (1st day of early voting) at the local Albertson's (grocery store) and arrived :15 early and they opened 3 minutes later, :12 early! I was out of there in less than :10. One thing I like about this town is their efficient early voting.
A couple of guys at work who car pool are on opposite ends of the party system. The liberal will pull the conservatives string incessantly. When a good article, e-mail, or discussion comes up against Nobama, the guy doesn't want to hear it, won't read it, refuses to discuss it. He can dish it out but will close his ears to anything that's negative against the abomination..., er nobamanation, whatever. I am eager to hear of mcshane's faults, leftward leanings, socialist tendencies, and the latest liberal appeasement he's planning should he be elected into office. I want to know. I need to know. The left? Head in the sand I guess.
I know in my heart that Sarah Palin will make a good President should they be elected and then mcshane kicks the bucket sometime in the 1st 4.
Someone started an obama muslim thread. Couldn't find it, but I heard that Colin Powell, during the last Sunday meet the depressed, said something to the effect that mobama isn't, never has been a muslim. An untruth. A lie. mobama has stated that he was raised a muslim until he was in his 20s and found god in rev. wright's congregation, ministry, whatever. I'm truly dissapointed in CP.
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liberalism truly is a mental disorder
white spaniard
10-24-08, 16:58
Well, the "B" mugging turned out bunk.
http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html
OK is that wht the "B" was backwards?
Interestingly enough, I was told on another firearms forum (not TOS), that the image below could cause the members of the board to be considered "extremists". :confused:
http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/gallery/albums/album04/change_is_coming_banner.jpg
Borrowed from an Arfcom post.
This is the symbol of "extremests"!
http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/S-RoundObamaSymbol.gif
CarlosDJackal
10-24-08, 17:40
I got the following PM from someone who strikes me as a bho supporter:
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From : S**********
To : CarlosDJackal
Date : 2008-10-24 15:28
Title : Obama bin Biden Quote
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"JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T CONSTRAIN[T] THE EXERCISE OF THAT RIGHT" - Barrack Hussein Obama
Carlos:
This differs little from Scalia's conclusion in
Heller.
Just sayin'...
P***l ******
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Like most bho sheeple, I guess he actually thinks that there is still hope those of us who can see this piece-of-dawg doo-doo, anti-America, kommunist, anti-Constitution "candidate" who has as much experience running any organization as a pile of rocks for who he really is, might still be swayed to follow the other lemmings into throwing our country under a bus just because they know what's best for all of us. :rolleyes:
Let me make this perfectly clear, there is absolutely no amount of cash, gold, or enough threat of bodily harm in this world or the afterlife would I ever consider casting a vote for that POS the dumbokrats call "their candidate". Not even for all the diamonds or virgins in the world.
So stop wasting my Private Message space with your propaganda. Just sayin'... :p
Interesting link: Obama looks very Muslim to me
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
*I seen this on lightfighter, it comes from the Black and Right website. Very interesting.
found this on Black and Right
This election has me very worried. So many things to consider.
About a year ago, I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since then. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But I felt if you view MSNBC, CNN and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with.
About six months ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama?' I have four daughters who went to college, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard, and there were lots of student loans.
I started looking into Obama's life.
Around 1979, Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental; he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, he did not apply himself to his studies. During this time, 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life) had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.
During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made an 'around the world' trip… stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family in Karachi, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.
My question: Where did he get the money for this trip? Neither I, nor any one of my children, would have had the money for a trip like this when we were in school.
When he returned to the U.S., he started school at Columbia University in New York. It is at this time, he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap, to say the least.
Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe.
After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000 a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already living in New York.
By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo, Syria and a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association.
About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School? More student loans?
After Law School, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago.
In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate race.
In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in the Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than the asking price). With ALL those Student Loans, where did he get the money for the property?
On the same day, Rezko's wife Rita purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.
Now, we have Obama running for President.
Valerie Jarrett was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor, and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?
On May 10, 2008, The Times reported that a man named Robert Malley (an advisor to Obama) was 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas,' which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things.'
Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that were born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign contributions for Obama. Where is that money coming from?
The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?
And, the final bit of news.
On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos. Obama, on talking about his religion, said, 'My Muslim faith.' When questioned — he said he made a mistake.' Some mistake!
All of the above information, I got on line.
If you would like to check it - Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981;
The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times - May 10, 2008.
Now, the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting this?
Seems like someone has been grooming him for probably 30 years.
A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear —
'Beware of the enemy from within!" A grassroots effort by all of us via the Internet is the only way to stop Barack Hussein Obama. We cannot depend on the mainstream media to do anything but promote him and his non-existent agenda.'
I quite agree. I would like to have the "Change is coming" image made into a yard sign.
OK is that wht the "B" was backwards?
Haha. I know I shouldn't laugh at this, but I think you're right. It was backwards because she did it in the mirror. I can't help a little giggle over that. Whatta dumbass.
The choice between Obama and McCain sucks! Either way were gonna have to suck on it! they both signed the 'bailout' and both are Liberals, albeit different levels of Liberal
Id rather see McCain than Obama but im not happy about either!
Always updating!
As you can see these very a lot!
http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx
http://online.wsj.com/public/resour...CALCULATOR.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...bama_vs_mccain/
http://www.zogby.com/50state/
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._college_update
http://www.rove.com/election
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls....309635713550536
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?promo_code=2A89-1
Got this as a e-mail today!
"CHICAGO POLITICS
BODY COUNT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS:
292 MURDERED IN CHICAGO
221 KILLED IN IRAQ
OUR LEADERSHIP IN ILLINOIS!
SEN. BARACK OBAMA
SEN. DICK DURBIN
REP. JESSE JACKSON, JR.
GOV. ROD BLOGOJEVICH
HOUSE LEADER MIKE MADIGAN
ATTY. GEN LISA MADIGAN
MAYOR RICHARD DALY
ALL DEMOCRATS!
THANK YOU FOR THE COMBAT ZONE IN CHICAGO . OF COURSE THEY ARE BLAMING EACH OTHER.
CAN'T BLAME THE REPUBLICANS, BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY!!!!!
STATE PENSION FUND $44 BILLION IN DEBT, WORST IN THE NATION.
COOK COUNTY (CHICAGO) SALES TAX 10.25%, HIGHEST IN THE NATION.
CHICAGO SCHOOL SYSTEM ONE OF THE WORST IN THE NATION.
THIS IS THE POLITICAL MACHINE THAT OBAMA SAYS HE COMES FROM IN ILLINOIS.
AND NOW OBAMA SAYS HE'S GONNA "FIX" WASHINGTON POLITICS!!!!!
SPREAD THE WORD ***** SAVE AMERICA
Look at the ignorance in this "op ed" article in the online Boston Globe. And read the ignorance of most of the people who comment. (My comments are from "chadbag")
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/10/25/mccains_blatant_pitch_to_the_rich/
Totally astounding.
I know..., another pole. But this pole and link was found on the Drudge Report and was said to have been the most accurate pole of the 04 election.
I truly believe that poles are skewed and biased and manipulated into a nice package that the media delivers to your doorstep (or tv screen) in a flaming brown paper bag.
IBD/TIPP Polls (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309635713550536)
IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Eleven
Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008
McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_hUqhilguoPs/SB4vFZ_-RtI/AAAAAAAACOU/so2I6Dms668/s400/obama2f.jpg
biden gets asked "tough" questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM
Forgive me if this has alraedy been posted.
Obama's Citizenship: October Surprise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
Interestingly enough, I was told on another firearms forum (not TOS), that the image below could cause the members of the board to be considered "extremists". :confused:
Then that is the last time I'd ever have anything to do with that forum.
**** them and the horse they rode in on.
I truly believe we've reached the crossroads in American history.
Pick a side.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.808:
This is a cabinet-level department proposed by our "leaders" and fully supported by the Obama camp. I guess the reasoning goes that we can shift defense spending to this new department, since we won't need a military anymore...
A short description:
The DPN-V would house such vital new agencies as The Office of Peace Education & Training, the Office of Domestic Peace Activities, the Office of International Peace Activities, the Office of Technology for Peace, the Office of Arms Control and Disarmament, the Office of Peaceful Co-Existence and Non-Violent Conflict Resolution, and, of course, the Office of Human Rights and Economic Rights.
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Socialism has arrived!
You're seeing the first of many changes in our government
designed to surrender us to the New World Order.
A Socialist planet with one almighty, all powerful
and all controlling government.
Oh my! here it comes. Paging George Orwell...Paging George Orwell...Big brother would like to see you in his peace office!
To Wit:
"From this moment forward all citizens of the United States will
think Peaceful thoughts and only Peaceful thoughts."
"Anyone even suspected of thinking a Non-Peaceful or Threatening thought
will be arrested and sent immediately to the nearest Peace Academy for mental
re-training"
Given this Day under my hand,
B.H. Obama
Then that is the last time I'd ever have anything to do with that forum.
It is unfortunate in many ways, but I had decided that should be my course of action. I was most disappointed in the responses I received when I posted indicating I wanted that for a yard sign. The thread was subsequently removed from the forum. Indicative of the passive response many in this nation have taken to the threat of the loss of liberty (and not just the threat to firearms ownership).
In today's context, our Founders would be labeled terrorists. It is a sad state indeed.
The Framers were labeled as terrorists in their day, too. They just didn't have the term to attach to them.
I usually dislike Hannity, but cornering Obama with those questions makes me concerned enough to appreciate what Hannity's trying to do (this time). Amazing.
-B
bigshooter
10-25-08, 21:42
SEC. 108. OFFICE OF ARMS CONTROL AND DISARMAMENT.
(a) In General- There shall be in the Department an Office of Arms Control and Disarmament, the head of which shall be the Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament. The Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament shall carry out those functions in the Department affecting arms control programs and arms limitation agreements.
(b) Responsibilities- The Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament shall--
(1) advise the Secretary on all interagency discussions and all international negotiations regarding the reduction and elimination of weapons of mass destruction throughout the world, including the dismantling of such weapons and the safe and secure storage of materials related thereto;
(2) assist nations, international agencies and nongovernmental organizations in assessing the locations of the buildup of nuclear arms;
(3) develop nonviolent strategies to deter the testing or use of offensive or defensive nuclear weapons, whether based on land, air, sea, or in outer space;
(4) serve as a depository for copies of all contracts, agreements, and treaties that deal with the reduction and elimination of nuclear weapons or the protection of outer space from militarization; and
(5) provide technical support and legal assistance for the implementation of such agreements.
nothing about small arms. YET.
would likely be a logical progression of the hippie doushe movement though.
Robb Jensen
10-25-08, 21:49
Obamas tax plan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=491_5WxfcgI&eurl=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=776452)
scary scary stuff if this B man gets in
All citizens should be encouraged to observe and celebrate the blessings of peace and endeavor to create peace on a Peace Day.
CarlosDJackal
10-25-08, 23:43
biden gets asked "tough" questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM
You gotta hand it to the reporter. She kept a straight face even though jb started insulting her.
The Framers were labeled as terrorists in their day, too. They just didn't have the term to attach to them.
True, but we have historically viewed them as patriots. I don't mind being labeled a terrorist, just don't associate me with Islam. ;)
Saw this over at 10-8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPP2F30Wy2o
Watch this video and buy a cigar....
Saw this over at 10-8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPP2F30Wy2o
Watch this video and buy a cigar....
That was funny. Thanks for the post!
The Framers were labeled as terrorists in their day, too. .....
That statement (which I hear too much) is taken out of context.
The Framers were called terrorists by enemies of their own country,
not by the people of their country.
There's a big difference between being called a terrorist by your own people
and by your enemies.
variablebinary
10-26-08, 07:39
Finally someone takes it to the Obama/Biden campaign. No softball questions and Biden crumbles under pressure. In return, for not getting Larry King and Katie Couric softball interview, they pull future interviews.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/obama-campaign.html
Youtube video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM
WFTV-Channel 9's Barbara West conducted a satellite interview with Sen. Joe Biden on Thursday. A friend says it's some of the best entertainment he's seen recently. What do you think?
West wondered about Sen. Barack Obama's comment, to Joe the Plumber, about spreading the wealth. She quoted Karl Marx and asked how Obama isn't being a Marxist with the "spreading the wealth" comment.
"Are you joking?" said Biden, who is Obama's running mate. "No," West said.
West later asked Biden about his comments that Obama could be tested early on as president. She wondered if the Delaware senator was saying America's days as the world's leading power were over.
"I don't know who's writing your questions," Biden shot back.
Biden so disliked West's line of questioning that the Obama campaign canceled a WFTV interview with Jill Biden, the candidate's wife.
"This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best for the duration of the remaining days until the election," wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign.
McGinnis said the Biden cancellation was "a result of her husband's experience yesterday during the satellite interview with Barbara West."
Here's a link to the interview: http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html.
WFTV news director Bob Jordan said, "When you get a shot to ask these candidates, you want to make the most of it. They usually give you five minutes."
Jordan said political campaigns in general pick and choose the stations they like. And stations often pose softball questions during the satellite interviews.
"Mr. Biden didn't like the questions," Jordan said. "We choose not to ask softball questions."
Jordan added, "I'm crying foul on this one."
What did you think of the interview?
Good to see!
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20080923/POLITICS-US-USA-POLITICS-POLL/
from a GunsAmerica mailing list electronic mail...
Hi Everyone,
We have had a lot of email into GunsAmerica and especially into our MySpace about voting for Barack Obama for president.
Setting aside the socialist policy issues, and "spreading the money around" that you work for, everyone should be very clear about where Barack Obama stands on guns.
This was taken from http://www.gunbanobama.com/ which is an NRA-ILA project, and it is available in PDF form at: http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/2008Obamafactsht.pdf
FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17
FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research."8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)
5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.
6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)
7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)
14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)
15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.
16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.
Paul (Shlomo) Helinski
GunsAmerica
Where America Buys and Sells Guns.
http://www.gunsamerica.com
This is an official GunsAmerica Email Notification.
If you suspect phishing or fraud with any email related to GunsAmerica, please forward the email to CustomerService@GunsAmerica.com
rightwingmaniac
10-27-08, 02:27
did someone say SOCIALISM? check out this vid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=491_5WxfcgI
Robb Jensen
10-27-08, 07:21
Obama says the Supreme Court hasn't addressed 'wealth redistribution'.....
Marx would be proud. :mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
Hillary was the lesser of the evil's and Obama is the Antichrist. Let's just hope people wake up.
And don't you love his middle name?
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
Robb Jensen
10-27-08, 07:52
Unless it's not real, why would someone hide the certificate # ?
Here's where I saw it.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
And there's some interesting reading here too.
http://obamacrimes.com/
Business_Casual
10-27-08, 08:50
Don't give up - go out and vote Tuesday.
Dick Morris points out:
"For Harry Truman in 1948, the presidential race shifted dramatically in the final week, and it’s happened three more times in the past 30 years. In 1980, Reagan came from eight points behind to a solid victory by winning his sole debate with Carter in the last week of October. In 1992, Clinton, who had fallen behind in the polls because of the pounding he was taking over his liberalism and propensity to raise taxes, surged ahead of Bush when Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh announced that he was indicting Defense Secretary Casper (Cap) Weinberger, an indication of Bush’s possible complicity in the Iran-Contra scandal. And in 2000, Bush’s three-to-four point lead in the polls was erased over the final weekend when reports surfaced that he had been cited for DWI 20 years before and had not revealed the fact to the public. Bush still won the election, of course, but Gore won the popular vote by half a point."
M_P
rangertab1
10-27-08, 09:31
Hey guys, i am new to this site, but not to the situation. I feel the pain of politics on this discussion, but it is much bigger than Obama, The President, or the two political parties.
Water, Food, Security, and Community! These will, soon, be every American's daily struggle. Please focus on these, immediately. It will take folks like us to overcome what is inevitably ahead. Save the fire in your belly for what is coming and let go of the aberration that National politics matters anymore. If you want to speed up the collapse and think it will be a fun gun party, i say vote for the knothead and put an end to the waiting.
We have been going down this dead end road for decades and Ike was the last President to really understand what was at stake. The irony is that Obama is certainly the most contriversial figure to run for the Presidency, at a time when it least matters. The position has become a pawn, even though our 1st Grade teacher still thinks it matters anymore. Cheers.
Fake cert^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No hospital name
No Doctor name
No Birth weight
No Length
Father's race listed as "African". In 1961 they would have used "Negro" or "Black"
Look at bottom of cert, it was printed on a laser printer!
Maybe this statement wasn't a gaffe. Maybe Biden said this to scare the voters away from his ticket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymy0Woaz81U
I guess this was considered an election topic...................
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1
Jay Cunningham
10-27-08, 15:23
I guess this was considered an election topic...................
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1
Listen up!
Okay, now there is an official thread to post everything related to the 2008 election in. There is another thread that says don't start any new Obama threads. If your post contains the words Obama, Biden, McCain or Palin it belongs in the official thread. This is as clear as can be made but members are still ignoring it. I was trying to merge new threads into the official one but now you can forget it - if anyone starts a thread outside the official one it will simply be locked, end of discussion.
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Have Obama come out and say that he will enact tougher gun control ? I have not heard much from the NRA on Obama's position.
Have Obama come out and say that he will enact tougher gun control ? I have not heard much from the NRA on Obama's position.
This is from the NRA
http://www.gunbanobama.com/
We had a Federal election up here where The National Liberal party wanted to ban semi-auto's and handguns. Thank god the Conservative party won the election. The Liberals wanted more gun control even though Canada is already heavily regulated when it comes to guns. Registration of all firearms, restricted wpns can only be used at a authorized range and you have to belong to a club to purchase a handgun and certain military style semi-auto..ie AR-15's. Prohibited wpns you can no longer even take to a range and shoot. I have two, FN Fal and Chinese AKS that are safe queens, you can own them but the government will not issue ATT's (authorization to transport), which you need to transport handguns and AR-15's type rifles. Magazines are limited to 5 Rd's for center fire rifle and 10 for handguns. These laws came from 10 years of previous Liberal governments and I'm afraid if Obama wins on Nov 4th he will look to Canada for his gun legislation. It was only in the last election that Canada's gun owners came together and helped defeat the anti-gun left wing Liberal party.TRUST ME YOU DO NOT WANT OUR GUN LAWS
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I don't have a problem with that. The article was discussing the press and not the candidates and their respective stances. I figured it didn't belong here actually so I was trying to follow the rules as I interpreted them is all. No attempt to foul on purpose. :cool:
Finally someone takes it to the Obama/Biden campaign. No softball questions and Biden crumbles under pressure. In return, for not getting Larry King and Katie Couric softball interview, they pull future interviews.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/obama-campaign.html
Youtube video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM
This is one of the most telling differences between the 2 campaigns, IMO. McCain will go on Letterman or do interviews with just about anybody- even though he knows that he will be skewered. Obama and Biden pull this sort of crap.
Remember the phrase "if you can't stand the heat..."? IMO Obama panics when somebody even reaches for the burner knob on the proverbial stove. What an effing bunch of sissies!
That is not a birth certificate.
Hillary was the lesser of the evil's and Obama is the Antichrist. Let's just hope people wake up.
And don't you love his middle name?
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck :mad:
This is from Gary Bauer's newsletter today (10/27)
Obama = Socialism
When Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama told Joe the plumber that he intends to “spread the wealth,” it wasn’t just a slip of the tongue or an off-the-cuff remark that came out badly. On Friday morning, Obama was interviewed on Good Morning America. He was specifically asked if he had any regrets about telling Joe the plumber that he intended to “spread the wealth,” and Obama responded, “Not at all.” My friends, he means it.
There is breaking news this morning of a 2001 interview with WBEZ, a Chicago public radio station. In the interview, Obama makes some shocking statements about the Constitution, his view of government and the successes and failures of the civil rights movement. But the inescapable conclusion is that Barack Obama is a committed socialist, and he is running for president with the goal of fundamentally changing America in ways that the Founding Fathers never imagined.
For example, while admitting that the civil rights movement succeeded in achieving its moral goals of confirming the rights of all Americans and creating an environment for equal opportunity, Obama laments that the Supreme Court did not go further by imposing equality of results. According to Obama, the Supreme Court and civil rights movement failed because they did not try to impose socialism on the country in the name of “economic justice.” Here is an excerpt of Obama’s 2001 interview:
“…Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and the more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers and the Constitution…
“…One of the tragedies of the civil rights movement, was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still suffer from that.”
So, let’s be clear about that – the civil rights movement failed because it was too focused on securing rights, rather than “spreading the wealth around” through politics and Big Government socialism. And that’s why Obama is running. He sees the civil rights movement not just in terms of securing equality of opportunity for all Americans, but as a political movement to force “redistributive change.” This is the core belief of “Black Liberation Theology,” which I described in a previous message as “Marxism dressed up in the gospel of economic justice.” To listen to the 2001 Obama interview, click here.
Obama also suggests that the Constitution was “fundamentally flawed” for imposing restrictions on the power of government, saying, “The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. [It] Says what the states can’t do to you. [It] Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.”
That is because the Founding Fathers were trying to protect the people from the creation of an authoritarian police state. They did not want to create “a government big enough to give you everything you want, because such a government would be big enough to take away everything you have.”
My friends, I don’t throw around terms like “socialist” and “Marxism” lightly. But when you connect the dots – Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, the socialist New Party, which claimed Obama as a member, and Obama’s own statements about “redistributive change,” “spreading the wealth around” and our Constitution being “fundamentally flawed” – there is only one conclusion: Barack Obama is a socialist who wants to fundamentally “change” America to be more like socialist Europe.
By the way, Joe Biden was called on it during an interview Thursday with an Orlando, Florida, TV station. The reporter, Barbara West, began her interview in much the same way I began my End of Day report on October 14th – by quoting Karl Marx and then quoting Barack Obama. West also questioned Biden about ACORN and its fraudulent voter registration efforts. The Obama campaign, which thought Biden was going to get a bunch of softball questions that he could easily knock out of the park, responded by refusing to hold any more interviews with that TV station. So much for a free press.
It was also disclosed this weekend that an investigation is underway in Ohio into the use of government computers to “spy” on Joe the plumber after his impromptu question exposed Obama’s socialist sympathies. So much for free speech.
The Savings Tax
Here’s a story I bet many of you have missed: Liberal Democrats in Congress want to take away your 401(K) plan and impose a new “savings tax.” Liberals don’t like 401(K) plans because there’s just too much freedom involved. Not only are you free to participate or not, but in most cases you are free to choose where to invest your money. In addition, you get a tax break, and liberals don’t like that either.
Congressional hearings were held on the new “savings tax” three weeks ago, which calls for a new tax equal to five percent of your salary. Those funds will be invested in government bonds that are “guaranteed” to yield three percent per year. But notice the imposed “equality of results” in this plan. Everyone is guaranteed the same return. You have no opportunity to earn more.
This is just another way liberals intend to use the power of Big Government to redistribute wealth. You will no longer be free to use your own money how you choose. Liberals will tell you how much of your money you get to keep, how much of your money they will “spread around” to other people and even how you invest it.
Nov 4th will be remembered as one of the darkest days in U.S. history if Obama wins. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and other founding fathers will be rolling in their graves. He is so to the left that he makes Hillary look like a Republican.
CarlosDJackal
10-28-08, 13:43
Have Obama come out and say that he will enact tougher gun control ? I have not heard much from the NRA on Obama's position.
For one thing, he has publicly stated that he is in favor of a PERMANENT ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN. Of course, there are a few Republican Candidates who are catering to this by introducing the renewal of the AWB!! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=CarlosDJackal;239599]For one thing, he has publicly stated that he is in favor of a PERMANENT ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN. Of course, there are a few Republican Candidates who are catering to this by introducing the renewal of the AWB!! :rolleyes:[/QUOT
This really sucks because moving to the USA, was my plan if Canadian gun laws got any worse and Canada is one Liberal government away from that. Now if Obama wins and enacts the AWB I'm afraid gun owners in both countries will be ****ed.:mad::mad::mad:
with the possiblity of Obama, a veto proof legislature, and appointing of new justices to the SCOTUS, are they any checks and balances left after that?
white spaniard
10-28-08, 17:02
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/28/yard.sign.shooting/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
CNN) -- A Warren Township, Ohio, man faces charges of felonious assault after authorities say he fired his rifle at two teens who were attempting to deface his McCain presidential campaign yard sign.
Police say the man's sign is the only McCain sign on a street full of Obama signs.
Kenneth Rowles, 50, pleaded not guilty to the charge Monday, according to CNN affiliate WBNS.
Bail was set at $10,000.
Rowles told police he was sitting on his porch Saturday when a tan SUV pulled up and a black youth jumped out and ran toward his house, screaming, "This is for Obama."
He said another male was hanging out of the passenger window screaming the same thing.
Rowles said he went inside, got his rifle and fired three shots to scare the youths away, according to a Warren Township police report.
He told officers he believes that the men "were the same two that have been destroying his McCain sign."
Just hours before the shooting, Rowles called police and said that a car had stopped in front of his house and that a black male "ran up and said something about Obama," according to the report, and "damaged his sign again."
One of the youths, 17-year-old Kyree Flowers, was shot in the arm, according to a police report. He and the second youth, Patrick Wise Jr., 16, told police they were in the car attempting to leave when Rowles fired at them.
"Kyree stated that he witnessed the homeowner trying to shoot Patrick but he was having trouble chambering a round," the police report said.
The teens admitted that they had defaced the McCain sign several times, Warren Township police Lt. Don Bishop told CNN.
Rowles' is the only McCain sign on a street full of Obama signs, he said.
Bishop said the teenagers probably will not be charged -- and are unlikely to damage campaign signs again, as the incident scared them.
Warren Township is in Trumbull County not far from Cleveland, Ohio.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/28/yard.sign.shooting/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
CNN) -- A Warren Township, Ohio, man faces charges of felonious assault after authorities say he fired his rifle at two teens who were attempting to deface his McCain presidential campaign yard sign.
Police say the man's sign is the only McCain sign on a street full of Obama signs.
Kenneth Rowles, 50, pleaded not guilty to the charge Monday, according to CNN affiliate WBNS.
Bail was set at $10,000.
Rowles told police he was sitting on his porch Saturday when a tan SUV pulled up and a black youth jumped out and ran toward his house, screaming, "This is for Obama."
He said another male was hanging out of the passenger window screaming the same thing.
Rowles said he went inside, got his rifle and fired three shots to scare the youths away, according to a Warren Township police report.
He told officers he believes that the men "were the same two that have been destroying his McCain sign."
Just hours before the shooting, Rowles called police and said that a car had stopped in front of his house and that a black male "ran up and said something about Obama," according to the report, and "damaged his sign again."
One of the youths, 17-year-old Kyree Flowers, was shot in the arm, according to a police report. He and the second youth, Patrick Wise Jr., 16, told police they were in the car attempting to leave when Rowles fired at them.
"Kyree stated that he witnessed the homeowner trying to shoot Patrick but he was having trouble chambering a round," the police report said.
The teens admitted that they had defaced the McCain sign several times, Warren Township police Lt. Don Bishop told CNN.
Rowles' is the only McCain sign on a street full of Obama signs, he said.
Bishop said the teenagers probably will not be charged -- and are unlikely to damage campaign signs again, as the incident scared them.
Warren Township is in Trumbull County not far from Cleveland, Ohio.
I though it was a felony during a federal election to deface a sign or steal it?
CarlosDJackal
10-28-08, 22:18
with the possiblity of Obama, a veto proof legislature, and appointing of new justices to the SCOTUS, are they any checks and balances left after that?
Yes, people waking up and not voting for this moron on Tuesday. :D
to think i almost got a cooper at one time...
nice rifles, questionable company leadership
i don't understand these ppl. why alienate up to 50 percent (or more) of your potential customers like this? keep the shit to yourself why don't they???
_________________________
More executives sold on Obama
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-27-prez-money_N.htm), has backed Republicans for most of his life. He's the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.
Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.
This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
to think i almost got a cooper at one time...
nice rifles, questionable company leadership
i don't understand these ppl. why alienate up to 50 percent (or more) of your potential customers like this? keep the shit to yourself why don't they???
_________________________
More executives sold on Obama
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-27-prez-money_N.htm), has backed Republicans for most of his life. He's the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.
Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.
This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barrack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
yeah Obama is a good speaker, I think thats where he got the majority of his support. But reading a TelePrompTer and sounding good does not make you a good leader or President. His campaign slogan is change, to bad that change is Socialism.
Submariner
10-29-08, 02:44
Yes, people waking up and not voting for this moron on Tuesday. :D
Oh, and give the Gang of Plunderers (GOP) another four years by voting for the other moron?
Don't consent to either McMussolini or ObaMarx as dictator. Stay home.
You can still say, "I didn't vote for him."
Socialist or National Socialist? Take Your Pick
by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
Americans will decide next week whether the next president will be a socialist or a national socialist. Lest you think I exaggerate, consider McCain’ campaign theme of "country first" before everything else – your private life, your job, your children, your education, your marriage, everything. Ask yourself how this differs from the philosophy of German fascism, which preached "the common good comes before the private good" (see Paul Lensch, Three Years of World Revolution).
Or consider the fact that McCain supported the Wall Street Plutocrat Bailout Bill. A defining characteristic of fascism was that all profits were private, but losses were socialized. And oh yes, military imperialism (a.k.a., "national greatness conservatism") and a dictatorial executive were also key features of European fascism. Recall that McCain promised that if elected (paraphrasing), "I will order the Secretary of the Treasury to buy up all of the foreclosed mortgages." Is that really a part of the delegated powers in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution?
Then there is Comrade Obama, who has announced that he wants to "change the world" by "spreading the wealth." Didn’t Marx and Engels say the same thing in 1848? As is well known, Obama has long had a close association with ACORN, the far-left political organization that employed him as its legal counsel in Chicago. It is ACORN-style "community organizing" that Obama claims is his political forte and qualification for running for president. He boasts of having worked with ACORN to register tens of thousands of new voters and has defended the organization against all critics. It is safe to assume that there must be a congruence of interests between Obama and ACORN.
So the question becomes, what does ACORN (and by implication, Obama) stand for politically and philosophically? It so happens that I researched and wrote about ACORN over twenty years ago when I co-authored a book and numerous articles on the subject of "tax-funded politics," i.e., the (illegal) granting of tax dollars to "nonprofit" organizations to fund political activities. ACORN was receiving single grants from the federal government in the half million dollar range as far back as the 1970s.
And what was ACORN doing with your hard-earned tax dollars? According to the 1983 ACORN Members Handbook, "We will continue our fight until the American way is just one way, until we have shared the wealth . . . our freedom shall be based on the equality of the many . . ." Socialism, in other words.
The Handbook published a very communistic-sounding "Peoples’ Platform." With regard to the energy industry, nationalization was recommended in order to "put people before profits," one of the oldest of Marxist slogans. The Marxists never understood that in the free market the only way a business could earn profits was to serve its customers.
All of the public utilities should also be nationalized according to ACORN, so that the prices of electricity, natural gas, etc. could be determined politically according to "social considerations." Nor would there be any discontinuation of service for nonpayment, said the ACORN Handbook, which begs the question, "why would anyone pay their bills under such a standard?"
Price controls would be the order of the day for industries that were not nationalized, and the "health care plank" of the "People’s Platform" called for socialized health care. All hospitals would be managed by "democratically elected community-based committees." "Throw doctors and hospital administrators off the boards of directors, and replace them with a low and moderate income majority," demands the People’s Platform. Can you think of a better way to totally destroy health care in America?
The housing industry would also be subjected to the ruinous policies of price controls and prohibitions of evictions of tenants who failed to pay their rent. Welfare indexed for inflation would be part of "the rights of workers" when out of work, as would a "guaranteed minimum family income." Corporations would be required to have low-income rabble on their boards of directors to give "the people" a "voice."
In short, ACORN has always advocated nothing short of the destruction of American capitalism and its replacement by the dumbest and most destructive forms of socialism. For years, it made millions for itself by "challenging" bank mergers and branch expansions, as allowed for by the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act. In return for millions in donations and promises to make millions more in sub-prime loans to unqualified borrowers (i.e., "the people" referred to in "The Peoples’ Platform"), ACORN would withdraw its protests (usually administered by the Fed) and the banks would be permitted by the Fed to carry out their plans. ACORN worked diligently for three decades to force mortgage lenders, though this policy of legalized extortion, to make bad loans to unqualified borrowers. And their defenders, like Obama, claim that the Community Reinvestment Act and all of the "community organizations" that it empowered had nothing to do with the sub-prime crisis. It was all caused by "greed," they tell us. Have we really become a nation of morons?
So here’s your choice on election day: McMussolini (as Ilana Mercer calls him) or ObaMarx. Take your pick. Or do the patriotic thing and stay home. Don’t vote. It only gives them a reason to claim that "the people have spoken" and that they have a "mandate" to ruin our country.
October 29, 2008
Oh, and give the Gang of Plunderers (GOP) another four years by voting for the other moron?
Don't consent to either McMussolini or ObaMarx as dictator. Stay home.
You can still say, "I didn't vote for him."
It's the same difference. Go ahead, stay home, that is an implicit vote for Obama.
And the "Country First" bit in the "essay" you quoted is a VERY LARGE STRETCH. I can write good essays and make convincing arguments (founded on nothing, like the essay you quoted) too. Does not change reality.
Submariner
10-29-08, 03:28
It's the same difference. Go ahead, stay home, that is an implicit vote for Obama.
And an explicit vote for McCain and more of the same is better? I think not. Your characterization of no vote as a vote for ObaMarx is self-serving BS.
Reality is they are both totalitarians, anathema to the American republic.
The most serious financial problem for the Nazi State is not the danger of a breakdown of the currency and banking system, but the growing illiquidity of banks, insurance companies, saving institutions, etc. . . . Germany's financial organizations are again in a situation where their assets which should be kept liquid have become 'frozen'. . . . But the totalitarian State can tighten its control over the whole financial system and appropriate for itself all private funds which are essential for the further existence of a private economy. Yet the institutions which still exist as private enterprises are not allowed to go bankrupt. For an artificial belief in credits and financial obligations has to be maintained in open conflict with realities.
From Gunter Reimann, The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism (1939), p. 174, about German economic policy under Hitler.
The good news, I suppose, is that the GOP will leave little for ObaMarx to plunder.
And an explicit vote for McCain and more of the same is better? I think not. Your characterization of no vote as a vote for ObaMarx is self-serving BS.
No, it is the truth. Your rants about "Gang of Plunderers" and other such nonsense is the self-serving BS.
The good news, I suppose, is that the GOP will leave little for ObaMarx to plunder.
More of the same BS.
McCain believes in the principles this country was founded on, freedoms listed in the Constitution and Capitalism.
Nobama wants to take these away and replace them with socialism. The "spread the wealth" and "reparations" should send anyone who values the American way of life to the polls to vote for McCain. Obama will do irrepairable damage to this country and those that did not vote will be responsible.
Submariner
10-29-08, 08:29
McCain believes in the principles this country was founded on, freedoms listed in the Constitution and Capitalism.
Nobama wants to take these away and replace them with socialism. The "spread the wealth" and "reparations" should send anyone who values the American way of life to the polls to vote for McCain. Obama will do irrepairable damage to this country and those that did not vote will be responsible.
So does the GOP Platform:
Rebuilding Homeownership
Homeownership remains key to creating an opportunity society. We support timely and carefully targeted aid to those hurt by the housing crisis so that affected individuals can have a chance to trade a burdensome mortgage for a manageable loan that reflects their home’s market value. At the same time, government action must not implicitly encourage anyone to borrow more than they can afford to repay. We support energetic federal investigation and, where appropriate, prosecution of criminal wrongdoing in the mortgage industry and investment sector. We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself. We believe in the free market as the best tool to sustained prosperity and opportunity for all. We encourage potential buyers to work in concert with the lending community to educate themselves about the responsibilities of purchasing a home, condo, or land.
http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Economy.htm
What "McCain believes in" and what he votes to pass into law are two very different things. Juan McCain votes to bail out the banksters (privatize the profits and socialize the losses) and Jorge Bush signs it into law.
Isn't this redistribution, spreading the wealth from taxpayer to hot shot bankster? While not "reparations" it is potentially extortion. "Give us money or the economy collapses." This is the American way of life I'm to value and support?
Obamarx is little different from what we have now. What are you smoking?:confused:
Don't consent to either McMussolini or ObaMarx as dictator. Stay home.
You can still say, "I didn't vote for him."
Wow. Has it really come to that? Just giving up and allowing your only defense to be "well at least I didn't vote for him"?
I'm not in love with McCain and volunteering to carry his lovechild, but I do think he's still a helluva lot better than Obama. I have no illusions that a McCain presidency will fully reverse the tide of crap that is dragging our country down the toilet. It's taken decades of selfish apathy, degraded values, and subversive teachings to get us where we are and nobody's going to fix it in the foreseable future, I'm afraid.
An Obama presidency will be the terminal symptom of the disease that's been eating us from the inside out. Here's a man who makes no apologies for his well-documented history of unabashedly shitting on everything that America was ever supposed to be...and if the American people elect him because he promises them "free" healthcare and "economic justice" then it just shows where the people's priorities lie. Peace, security, and prosperity, all you have to do is wear these chains and do what you're told...
I'll admit, I'm just playing prevent defense at this point. And we all know there is no possible victory in defense alone. But, just maybe, we can keep the score low enough to stage a comeback someday? Doubtful. But I'm a young man, with a young family, and on my own, my best hope is carve out a niche for us in this world to protect us a best as possible. So my first priority is to buy some time, and maybe we can stem the tide long enough to effect some change of our own someday. The pendulum has to swing both ways, provided we don't give them a chance to break it completely off.
The only possible upside I see to an Obama presidency (especially if he gets a cooperative legislature) is that he could easily screw things up so bad that he'll sour us on his ilk for the next 30 years. And that is my upside? How sad (and telling) is that? The problem is, once we've lost freedoms, we don't get them back. And as we've slowly inched towards to edge, with every little battle lost (whether in Congress, the courts, the classroom, the media, the public opinion, or wherever), we've been backed against that cliff and now we are teetering on the precipice of losing it all. We're to the point that 4 years of damage by at least 2 of the 3 branches being in enemy hands could be irreversible.
For those of you who want to stay home on election day, fine. But no complaining when Obama wins. Refusing to participate then bitching about the end result? That's bullshit, and you all know it. This isn't the 3rd grade, you can't take your ball and sit out just because you don't like how the teams got picked.
Of the Realistic choices we have, McCain is the better option. McCain may be like trying to bail out a sinking ship with a coffee cup. Obama is like trying to bail out a sinking ship by drilling several holes in the bottom to let the water drain out.
Obama's economic plan is to punish anyone who is a successful contributor to society and reward the ones who sit back and do nothing.
I dont ever just lay down and say well at least I did not even try to help !!!!
I guess some are the kind that will see a woman getting mugged and be proud to say
well at least I did not get involved !!!!!
Obama's economic plan is to punish anyone who is a successful contributor to society and reward the ones who sit back and do nothing.
Well,I consider myself a successful contributor, and I don't see it. I'm not for Obama for other reasons (Second Amendment among them).
However, I'm sick of "Trickle Down" economics, and I'm sick of Laffer Curve bullshit. Now, usually I don't float my own boat but because I'm talking economics I think it warrants. I am a successful business person who worked as an economist. I've founded 3 successful for-profits and one successful non profit. I have degrees in Finance, Business Admin, and Economics and am currently in a CIO role.
How many times does this trickle down bullshit need to be dispelled? It hasn't worked yet. Einstein said the definition of insanity is, "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So works like this: we yelled for it and it didn't work, so let's yell louder. Just like gun grabbers.
On the other hand, Bush and Paulson have done more to socialize our business sector than anyone since FDR.
I'm not advocating for wealth redistribution, and I'm fanatically against paying more taxes (I just voted, and I voted against every tax increase on the ballot in my state and county). But McCain's plan seems to be a continuation of Bush's economics (and I'm in the income bracket that it works for). It's for shit. Obama's plan ain't much better. In theory middle class tax cuts are a good thing, especially since real wages (hence purchasing power) are down. But he won't be able to pass them anyway. So it's moot.
But please, stop with the successful contributor shit. I actually qualify in the top 1% income bracket so I should be pretty biased here. But in broader economic terms, and to use proper economic terminology: It's a load of crap.
The Bush Administration just rewarded some of the most spectacular non-contributors around by bailing them out of their screwups because they failed to price risk appropriately in the marketplace.
funny video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah9W24oMIRc
A little Gun History Lesson
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.
With Guns............We Are 'Citizens'.
Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.
During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attach to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.
It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.
If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all your friends!
10.29.08 Edit: more on the Cooper Arms story..., from their web site...
Cooper Firearms of Montana (http://www.cooperfirearms.com/)
The employees,shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.
Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.
The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.
Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.
Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.
In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors,shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.
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to think i almost got a cooper at one time...
nice rifles, questionable company leadership
i don't understand these ppl. why alienate up to 50 percent (or more) of your potential customers like this? keep the shit to yourself why don't they???
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More executives sold on Obama
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-27-prez-money_N.htm), has backed Republicans for most of his life. He's the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.
Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.
This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Robb Jensen
10-29-08, 22:17
If a king is plagued by bandits, he must find out where their camp is before
he can attack them. So, when a man is beset by worldly passions and
suffering, he should first ascertain their origins.
-Buddha
Found in a rundown Boston estate: Barack Obama’s aunt Zeituni Onyango (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5042571.ece)
For months he's been using the $250k figure as a floor for tax increases, and also saying that 95% of the populace would be spared an increase. Recently, though, he's mentioned a $200k figure. I've heard at least one sound bite featuring Biden tossing out a $150k figure- which makes sense if you accept some pundits' assertions that the 95th percentile is making $153k.
The AP has a decent postmortum of his infomercial from tonight, and they have him quoted using the $200k number again. Well, which do you think it's gonna be when the rubber meets the road? Will it be $200k per annum? $150? Less..?
Who would have thought? A local deputy pulling decent OT can make about $100k or so in my area. If he is married to a tenured middleschool teacher with some seniority, they might file jointly at just over $150k, easily. Neat, huh? A cop and a teacher= rich. Only in America!
Well,I consider myself a successful contributor, and I don't see it. I'm not for Obama for other reasons (Second Amendment among them).
However, I'm sick of "Trickle Down" economics, and I'm sick of Laffer Curve bullshit. Now, usually I don't float my own boat but because I'm talking economics I think it warrants. I am a successful business person who worked as an economist. I've founded 3 successful for-profits and one successful non profit. I have degrees in Finance, Business Admin, and Economics and am currently in a CIO role.
How many times does this trickle down bullshit need to be dispelled? It hasn't worked yet. Einstein said the definition of insanity is, "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So works like this: we yelled for it and it didn't work, so let's yell louder. Just like gun grabbers.
On the other hand, Bush and Paulson have done more to socialize our business sector than anyone since FDR.
I'm not advocating for wealth redistribution, and I'm fanatically against paying more taxes (I just voted, and I voted against every tax increase on the ballot in my state and county). But McCain's plan seems to be a continuation of Bush's economics (and I'm in the income bracket that it works for). It's for shit. Obama's plan ain't much better. In theory middle class tax cuts are a good thing, especially since real wages (hence purchasing power) are down. But he won't be able to pass them anyway. So it's moot.
But please, stop with the successful contributor shit. I actually qualify in the top 1% income bracket so I should be pretty biased here. But in broader economic terms, and to use proper economic terminology: It's a load of crap.
The Bush Administration just rewarded some of the most spectacular non-contributors around by bailing them out of their screwups because they failed to price risk appropriately in the marketplace.
*They* failed? Really? Was Bush the architect of the scheme which allowed the risk to be socialized?
rangertab1
10-29-08, 22:57
Hey Submariner, I am with you. I have earned the right not to vote for either knucklehead.;) Implying that not voting for one means you vote for the other is backwards reasoning. Psycho-babo. I ain't here to change minds, just to confirm your belief that National politics should be ignored. It has not always been this way, but things have changed. It is wasted energy and time. Lead by example. Either way they vote, they are delusional.
They are settling for second worst. I hate this subject, but if a guy is gonna say "No Way!" to either one, I gotta pat him on the back. We have become addicted to the drama of National politics and I hate it! Not sure if i can curse on this site, so i will keep it clean. But it is hard to do. I joined this site looking for some 'real shooters'. I knew a couple of underwater drivers for the SEALS and they seemed to be good guys. Not sure why you call yourself Submariner, but I respect your call sign. I avoided the Oceans at all cost.
Give it up, with regards to the big vote next week. Most folks don't see our point and we are 'stupid and unpatriotic.' Since you and i are at a different reality, i encourage you to prepare yourself and family and friends for what is coming. According to my best estimation and intel, we got 8 years max. Probably sooner. If we are talking on this site after the year 2016, i will chop off my pinkies and send out invitations ahead of time.
Submariner, since you and i connect on one of the most devisive subjects in the history of democracy, i am gonna challenge you. Secure a life-long water source, start your own food production, and get a feel for your neighbors so that when it all comes tumbling down in the near future, regardless of who gets elected, you will have created a community you can trust. If you cannot do all three of these, i beg you to spend what time and energy and money you have left to secure these essentials. I assume you are proficient, or beyond, with your weapons. Keep it up, you will probably get to test that skill. I don't know your age, but get in shape and stay in shape. It matters! Now, don't stop enjoying all the luxuries of American life, but appreciate them twice as much. They will vanish, unfortunately. The sacrifice, by all Americans, required to reverse our National course is not gonna happen. I am not a pessimist, just a realist. It is finished.
Our worst case scenario is that two fellow countries will show up at our doorstep after we have collapsed for a year or two. They are already waiting for this day and hope it happens before they, themselves collapse. One has already collapsed once and the other has managed to survive for, roughly, 4000 years. These guys will make the radical Muslim look like a 7th grade bully. They are smarter, more patient, and infinitely more calculating than our religious zealots. Hell, they may even show up bearing gifts. If this happens, i am certain we will not do well, given our current focus.
I want my warrior-boys to come home so they can enjoy the last gasp of Pre-collapse America. They are tired and bedraggled and have a right to enjoy the front-porch sittin and a woman's touch before we humpty-dumpty ourselves off the wall we call America. This 'Flag of Surrender' cliche is nothing but National politics. National politics waved this flag as soon as the warrior submitted the Plan of Execution on 12 Sept 2001. This is another reality vs. National politics that makes me want to vomit all over anyone that uses it as a cliche.
We should be talking about how to overcome what lies ahead, not which candidate can keep the lights on the longest. I challenge anyone reading this to refocus yourself. Enjoy the real things in life. Love your family and friends, enjoy the easy life all Americans have and get ready for the End Game. Your God given instincts should be kicking in and saying, WOW, i don't see anyway around a complete and utter collapse. I have no doubt that most of you guys are armed and accurate. Don't assume that this will keep you alive. We can't stop the inevitable, no matter who you vote for. But, you can shift your focus and reality so that we regroup and defend the only thing we really share as a country. Liberty, Life, and Land.
I love you Submariner. Cheers.
rangertab1
10-29-08, 23:18
Nobody is gonna take your guns. Who is gonna do it? I know and am part of the system that would go knocking on doors. It ain't gonna happen Edgewater. I promise. If it does, you will finally get to be a hero and they can take it from your lifeless hands. Some how we think this is gonna happen. Think about it. It is not possible.
Another thing, check the percentage of the population for each country you listed as having their guns taken away. Less than 5% even owned guns. The were a small minority. Those that owned them only had less than 20 bullets. We Americans are and always will be armed. The real question is: Will you use your gun to defend your gun? If you have answered this fundamental question, why are you so worried. I know what i am gonna do. Fact is, i will be burried with my Kimber 1911. Don't get caught up in the drama. Cheers.
*They* failed? Really? Was Bush the architect of the scheme which allowed the risk to be socialized?
Did you read the sentence? If I miswrote my statment then I'm sorry. What are you asking me? The "they" I'm referring to is the BUSINESS people not the Bush administration. Risk has not yet been socialized, so ease up on the sophistry.
I'll fix it:
The Bush Administration just rewarded some of the most spectacular non-contributors around by bailing them out of their screwups because these non-contributers failed to price risk appropriately in the marketplace.
Is that all you were asking? Unless you misread that (or I miswrote it), I didn't mean imply the Bush caused these prices to be underpriced in terms of risk. I implied that the Bush Administration used government (taxpayer) dollars to bail out bad business. That doesn't sound very Republican to me, and it certainly isn't exactly free market economics. Free market economics doesn't pay for underpricing risk.
The irony here is that even though I didn't imply it in that sentence, Bush did, by definition, undertake a scheme to socialize risk. Underwriting (the bailout) bad investment-risks with government money is a scheme that allows risk to be socialized.
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long
time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.
I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is
interesting to see it in print.
How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their
new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish
history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this
to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000
years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply
cannot exist as a permanent form of government."
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time
that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts
from the public treasury."
">From that moment on, the majority always vote for
the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public
treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always
followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest
civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about
200 years"
"During those 200 years, those nations always
progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage"
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law,
St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts
concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000
Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million
Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the
territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the
taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory
mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned
tenements and living off various forms of government
welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now
somewhere between the "complacency and apathy"
phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with
some forty percent of the nation's population already
having reached the "governmental dependency"
phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty
million criminal invaders called illegal's and they
vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five
years.
If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this
message. If you are not, then pass this along to help
everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that
apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
30 cal slut
10-30-08, 11:09
Hawaii governor seals BHO's vital records. :confused:
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174
ELECTION 2008
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
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Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
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Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.
The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.
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WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.
Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.
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The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.
The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.
WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."
In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.
The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.
In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.
Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.
In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.
The Obama campaign website entitled "Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.
"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."
Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.
on the birth certificate thing
Hawaii has its 3rd world charm a few other from their know what I mean
living on the mainland now a few years is strange to me its almost like another country ??
Lingle is a piece of you know what in my book !!!!
but back to Hawaii it works like a 3rd world country a bit
when I was young my Maui cruiser harbor beach car like most would never pass inspection so I just paid off the guy to pass it or had a friend pass it
you can easily bribe the officials over there and also they can get stubborn and just say NO so it goes both ways
when our truck was stolen the cop did not even write info down ? he just said well it might show up or might not ? but I am not going to write it up
I said BS you better start writing it up now he was not happy with me and it took me to go do the legwork and get it reported as stolen
why ? well a lot of times the thieves are the guys nephews ? not always as there are some really good people over there who are upstanding its not wrong its just how it is
a good example when I lived on Lanai the cops knew everyone and when a girl was missing that they knew I was good friends with they came to my house and said we got to go find her you might know where she is yeah ?
so I hopped in the car and the cop had a six pac in the front seat
so he ask you want one beer !
sure I say
so cop and I on duty drinking beer looking for this wahine
its just how it is over there !!!!!
so I dont see much ever coming out on his birth certificate even though its a state its not really the same as it is here on the mainland and even if it ever does come out who knows if it will be original or not ?
but also this is why i so miss the islands :) its just a dif way of life :)
Great article! Pass it around to everyone you know; especially the Democrats!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-28/so-long-obama/1/
rangertab1
10-30-08, 21:06
Edgewater, you are very thorough in your details are, obviously, a student of history. You have taught me thru this discussion. Thanks. The sad thing is not that i can see it coming, but no one can stop it. The irony of Democracy is that it is the best form of any government on Earth, yet even it cannot prevent man from ruining a good thing. Our Founding Fathers wrestled with this fact during their discussions. More recently, Eisehhower saw America's future going two directions. He, i suspect, realized that we just can't help ourselves and would pursue the easier and cheaper and dependent route. The road we are on is only one-way and I am ready to get out and start walking.
Mine and your's and every American's lives will change, soon, and we can't, or won't, do the hard things it requires to stop it. We can, however, prepare for it, drive through it and regroup as a remnant. Isolationism, supported by a military-state with strict consumer discipline is the only option, and that aint gonna happen. You and I would probably agree to try this, but not many others would. I am going to another thread. See you around. Cheers.
Business_Casual
10-31-08, 07:26
Looks like Bill Russell has a chance to beat Murtha at the wire - anything you can do to help him win, would, IMO, help the country.
http://russellbrigade.com/
M_P
Did any of you see Fox news last night? Evidently a very hard to find 1974 book Prairie Fire by Obama's buddy Bill Ayres was dedicated to RFK's killer Sirhan Sirhan. It was mentioned that Bill Ayres had another book of which he didicated to a long list of cop killers.
http://www.wikio.com/video/558759
Submariner
10-31-08, 07:54
Give it up, with regards to the big vote next week. Most folks don't see our point and we are 'stupid and unpatriotic.' Since you and i are at a different reality, i encourage you to prepare yourself and family and friends for what is coming. According to my best estimation and intel, we got 8 years max. Probably sooner. If we are talking on this site after the year 2016, i will chop off my pinkies and send out invitations ahead of time.
...
We should be talking about how to overcome what lies ahead, not which candidate can keep the lights on the longest. I challenge anyone reading this to refocus yourself. Enjoy the real things in life. Love your family and friends, enjoy the easy life all Americans have and get ready for the End Game. Your God given instincts should be kicking in and saying, WOW, i don't see anyway around a complete and utter collapse. I have no doubt that most of you guys are armed and accurate. Don't assume that this will keep you alive. We can't stop the inevitable, no matter who you vote for. But, you can shift your focus and reality so that we regroup and defend the only thing we really share as a country. Liberty, Life, and Land.
Once the hangover clears on Wednesday afternoon, folks will start looking ahead, dusting off copies of Rules for Radicals to deal with the next regime.
Bionic Dead
10-31-08, 10:57
The problem here is that there are too many people that have become concerned about their "things". Instead of valuing freedom, liberty, and democracy, they value their lexus, flat-panel tv, and and coach purses. It seems to me that there are many people that are voting to keep material items no matter what the cost...i.e.- freedom. Patriotic has almost become a radical term to these people. I may not be able to change the course of this country's heading, but at least if this country fails, I know I did everything I could to prevent its demise
Scott Gerber
10-31-08, 11:05
The problem here is that there are too many people that have become concerned about their "things". Instead of valuing freedom, liberty, and democracy, they value their lexus, flat-panel tv, and and coach purses. It seems to me that there are many people that are voting to keep material items no matter what the cost...i.e.- freedom. Patriotic has almost become a radical term to these people. I may not be able to change the course of this country's heading, but at least if this country fails, I know I did everything I could to prevent its demise
An absolute result of the "Dumbing Down" of America in public schools and the media. A progressive manipulation of the past three generations to slowly turn people inward "Selfishness" rather than "Selflessness" our founding fathers lived by...
Scott
Bionic Dead
10-31-08, 11:06
I person has to do what they can, no matter what the predicted outcome
Did you read the sentence? If I miswrote my statment then I'm sorry. What are you asking me? The "they" I'm referring to is the BUSINESS people not the Bush administration. Risk has not yet been socialized, so ease up on the sophistry.
Yeah, I read it as having the word "they" referring to Bush. I see now what you meant. I was trying to point out that any system having the GSE's as the (de facto) guarantors of last resort is a system in which risk has already been "socialized" (or nationalized, or whatever). My conservative and free market sensibilities are offended by this. Except for the "Risk has not yet been socialized" part, I *think* we are on the same page, but...
I'll fix it:
The Bush Administration just rewarded some of the most spectacular non-contributors around by bailing them out of their screwups because these non-contributers failed to price risk appropriately in the marketplace.
Is that all you were asking? Unless you misread that (or I miswrote it), I didn't mean imply the Bush caused these prices to be underpriced in terms of risk. I implied that the Bush Administration used government (taxpayer) dollars to bail out bad business. That doesn't sound very Republican to me, and it certainly isn't exactly free market economics. Free market economics doesn't pay for underpricing risk.
this is the place where I think we part ways. What is a responsible administration- republican or democrat- supposed to do about this? Stay out of it and let the chips fall where they may? I hate the idea of the .gov using my money to make somebody whole after they've made a long series of bad/greedy decisions. In this scenario, though, my (our) money is on the line no matter what they do. I think you'd at least agree that if the house of cards collapses, many of us are at risk. Loss of equity, lack of access to capital, loss of investment value, etc are all likely consequences of a collapse. This is not like the government using tax dollars to bail out GM or UAL.
I'd prefer to have Congress come up with a scheme that s-l-o-w-l-y dismantles the house of cards and then returns the system to a truer free market arrangement. Either party may do the first thing, but I do not trust the left to replace a failing system with anything that doesn't involve a lot of government interference.
I may be wrong, but I read your initial post in a way that left me thinking that you might not vote for either major candidate. It's water under the bridge now, but at least McCain had good instincts on the GSE issue. I know where his head is at on these matters. I can't say the same for Obama.
The irony here is that even though I didn't imply it in that sentence, Bush did, by definition, undertake a scheme to socialize risk. Underwriting (the bailout) bad investment-risks with government money is a scheme that allows risk to be socialized.
The software doesn't seem to want to allow a fully embedded reply, so...
I agree of course, except to say that the bailout IMO is just piling on to an already socialized scheme. I only feel compelled to note that since so many Bush haters have tried to characterize the bailout (which the democrats collectively seem to support too) as some unilateral lurch to the left by Bush. YMM definitely V.
mattjmcd :
You have a good point. And I don't think we part ways as much as you think, although I admit I'm conflicted. The free market economist in me says, "let them fail" and have the market correction finish quickly. That would really force risk to be priced properly. But it would also stop any real liquidity and maybe even velocity in the financial markets. So the realist in me knows that you're correct on the slower "house of cards" fix.
And you're right. I admit I don't like either candidate. The Second Amendment issue though is near and dear to me (and I suspect all on this board).
And you're right. I admit I don't like either candidate. The Second Amendment issue though is near and dear to me (and I suspect all on this board).
Yep.:)
04/ 11/ 08
The End of Days is Upon Us....
DRUDGE REPORT (http://www.drudgereport.com/)
ZOGBY: MCCAIN MOVES INTO LEAD 48-47 IN ONE DAY POLLING
ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error... McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters.
edit: link Zogby International (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=241506&posted=1#post241506)
Released: 11-01-2008
Next Release: 11-02-08, 1:00AM
UTICA, New York -- Republican John McCain made a small gain against Democrat Barack Obama and has pulled back within the margin of error, now trailing Obama by five points, 49.1% to 44.1%, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking telephone poll shows.
Almost two days worth of the polling -- or about half of the current sample in the three-day rolling poll of likely voters nationwide, was conducted after Obama's 30-minute commercial aired Wednesday evening. There is no evidence it helped him, as he has dropped 1.1 points in the last two days, while McCain has gained 0.8 points during the same period.
Pollster John Zogby: "Is McCain making a move? The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all. "Obama's lead among women declined, and it looks like it is occurring because McCain is solidifying the support of conservative women, which is something we saw last time McCain picked up in the polls. If McCain has a good day tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama's good day three days ago, and we could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now, hold on."...
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-31-08, 22:33
If that Pans out, Dan Cooper is in for a depressing week.
Remember when the hollywood elite threatened to move to ( canada, insert euro country here ___________ ) if GW get's elected in 00 and 04?
Erica Jong Tells Italians Obama Loss 'Will Spark the Second American Civil War. Blood Will Run in the Streets' (http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/erica-jong-tells-italians-obama-loss-will-spark-second-american-civil-war-blood-will-r)
Basically, Jong says her fear that Obama might lose the election has developed into an "obsession. A paralyzing terror. An anxious fever that keeps you awake at night." She also says that her friends Jane Fonda and Naomi Wolf are extremely worried that Obama will be sabotaged by Republican dirty tricks, and that if an Obama loss indeed comes to pass, the result will be a second American Civil War...
"My back is also suffering from spasms, so much so that I had to see an acupuncturist and get prescriptions for Valium."
"If Obama loses it will spark the second American Civil War. Blood will run in the streets, believe me. And it's not a coincidence that President Bush recalled soldiers from Iraq for Dick Cheney to lead against American citizens in the streets."
and
"Bush has transformed America into a police state, from torture to the imprisonment of reporters, to the Patriot Act."
:D :p ;)
DRUDGE has the best stuff. http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_bucktooth.gif
AP: Obama aunt from Kenya living in US illegally (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D945TEE01&show_article=1)
Nov 1 12:08 AM US/Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) - Barack Obama's aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been quietly living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.
Zeituni Onyango, 56, referred to as "Aunti Zeituni" in Obama's memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango's case.
Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcment official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.
Onyango's refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, non-criminal violation of U.S. immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system. Estimates vary, but many experts believe there are more than 10 million such immigrants in the United States.
LegalAlien
11-01-08, 09:51
In an article in this link http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/30/obama-audio-i-want-to-ban-concealed-weapons-permits/ I found a comment posted by another reader that contained a very well-written email.
I took the liberty and time to copy and restructure it to make it more readable. I think it is the essence of this whole election campaign
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: FW: A letter from Illinois
Dear Friends:
My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign , Illinois .
I’m 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner.
I don’t consider myself to be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not Republican or Democrat.
I don’t believe there are “two Americas ” but that every person in this country can be whomever and whatever they want to be if they’ll just work to get there and nowhere else on earth can they find such opportunities.
I believe our government should help those who are legitimately downtrodden, and should always put the interests of America first.
The purpose of this message is that I’m concerned about the future of this great nation.
I’m worried that the silent majority of honest, hard-working, tax-paying people in this country have been passive for too long.
Most folks I know choose not to involve themselves in politics. They go about their daily lives, paying their bills, raising their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called “news”, thinking that what they hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it. They can’t understand how elected officials can regularly violate the public trust with pork barrel spending. They don’t want government handouts.
They want the government to protect them, not raise their taxes for more government programs.
We are in the unique position in this country of electing our leaders. It’s a privilege to do so.
I’ve never found a candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I’ll wager that most of us don’t even agree with our families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job.
I’ve hired a lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that’s what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom can I
trust to do the job right?
I’m concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don’t get it.
They are caught up in a fervor they can’t explain, and calling it “change”.
“Change what?”, I ask.
“Well, we’re going to change America “, they say.
“In what way?”, I query.
“We want someone new and fresh in the White House”, they exclaim.
“So, someone who’s not a politician?”, I say.
“Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we’re voting for Obama”, they state.
“So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news, and win his party’s nomination for the White House that system’s all wrong?”
“No, no, that part of the system’s okay we just need a lot of change.”
And so it goes. “Change we can believe in.”
Quite frankly, I don’t believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me.
In recent months, I’ve been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they’re voting. I live in Illinois, so most folks tell me they’re voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why, only that he’s going to change a lot of stuff “Change, change, change.” I have yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth other than the fact that he claims he’s going to implement a lot of change.
We’ve all seen the emails about Obama’s genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let’s ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, “What qualifies this man to be my president? That he’s a brilliant orator and talks about change?”
CHANGE WHAT?
Friends, I’ll be forthright with you.
I believe the American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don’t have a clue what they’re doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I’ve spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he should be elected. Political experience? Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements?
Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven’t read his wife’s thesis from Princeton , look it up on the web. This is who’s lining up to be our next First Lady?
The only thing I can glean from Obama’s constant harping about change is that we’re in for a lot of new taxes.
For me, the choice is clear. I’ve looked carefully at the two leading applicants for the job, and I’ve made my choice.
Here’s a question - “Where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002.
You’ve had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time.
About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6,000 meals, give or take.”
John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.
When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first.
Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down. A regimen of beatings and torture began.
Do you possess such strength of character?
Locked in a filthy cell in a foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that’s a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.
Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man.
A graduate of Annapolis , during his Naval service he received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
His own son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq .
Barack Obama is fond of saying “We honor John McCain’s service…BUT…”, which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, “Let’s forget this man’s sacrifice for his country, and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some more about change.”
I don’t agree with John McCain on everything - but I am utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him to do what’s right. I know in my heart
that he has the best interests of our country in mind. He doesn’t simply want to be President - he wants to lead America , and there’s a huge difference.
Factually, there is simply no comparison between the two candidates.
A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change, can’t hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Navy in1981 and elected to the Senate in1982.
Perhaps Obama’s supporters are taking a stance between old and new. Maybe they don’t care about McCain’s service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be President.
Maybe “likeability” is a higher priority for them than “trust”. Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated leadership certainly DOES.
Dear friends, it is time for us to stand.
It is time for thinking Americans to say, “Enough.” It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line. It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all their friends and neighbors and ask who they’re voting for, and why.
There’s a lot of evil in this world.
That should be readily apparent to all of us by now.
And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family’s interests before any foreign country.
I want a President who’s qualified to lead.
I want my country back, and I’m voting for John McCain.
'Twas the Night before Elections
'Twas the night before elections
And all through the town
Tempers were flaring
Emotions all up and down!
I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap
Had cut off the TV
Tired of political crap.
When all of a sudden
There arose such a noise
I peered out of my window
Saw Obama and his boys
They had come for my wallet
They wanted my pay
To give to the others
Who had not worked a day!
He snatched up my money
And quick as a wink
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink
He then rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!
' On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, On Pelosi'
He screamed at the pairs!
They took off for his cause
And as he flew out of sight
I heard him laugh at the nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!
So I leave you to think
On this one final note-
IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM
GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!
Remember when the hollywood elite threatened to move to ( canada, insert euro country here ___________ ) if GW get's elected in 00 and 04?
Erica Jong Tells Italians Obama Loss 'Will Spark the Second American Civil War. Blood Will Run in the Streets' (http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/erica-jong-tells-italians-obama-loss-will-spark-second-american-civil-war-blood-will-r)
and
:D :p ;)
Hopefully Hanoi Jane and Erica Jong are as well armed as those of us here at M4C. Oh, wait...:D
vote..., Vote..., VOTE..., VOTE!, VOTE!!!, VOTE!!!..., VOTE!!!!!
vote for barr
vote for mccain
vote for Palin
vote for your Country
vote for something
vote against socialism
vote against gun control
vote against awbII
vote against nancy pelosi
vote against barbara boxer
vote against the gay mafia
vote against higher taxes
vote against tax and spend
vote against the elite
vote against hollywood values
vote against same sex marriage
vote against pro choice
vote against r. emanuel as chief of staff
vote against spreading the wealth
vote against dealing with terrorist
vote against dealing with the un
vote against cutting our military back
vote against shelving the wot
vote against a u.s. iran summit, meeting, hugfest whatever
vote against illegal immigrant amnesty *
vote against trickle up poverty
vote against castro cuban style universal health "care"
vote against department of mexican voter facilities, aka the dmv
vote against a liberal aclu progressive elite scotus majority
vote against making rahmadan and muhameds b'day a federal holiday
vote against something
vote for borders
vote for language
vote for culture
vote for your guns
vote for your ammo
vote for your magazines
vote for your freedom
vote for the 2nd
vote
* while mccain / kennedy set an all time low for the gop w/respect to amnesty, we still can keep as much of the house and senate majority away from the dems..., how?, vote
thopkins22
11-01-08, 13:04
I died a little bit inside this week. I voted for Johnny Mac instead of Barr or Baldwin. I sure as hell hope the RP doesn't take that as an endorsement of the crap that spews from his mouth, and the despicable tactics they've resorted to.
Just a little humor =)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c367/hadley87/palin_cartoon_506x190.jpg
Just a little humor =)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c367/hadley87/palin_cartoon_506x190.jpg
Peggy hill rules.
"People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different
kind of politics and ... for the first time in my adult life I am proud of
my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."
http://www.donkeydish.com/images/gallery/a-michelle-obama-photo_404x286.jpghttp://www.gerrymay.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/michelle-obama-scowl.bmp
20 years in rev. wright's church...
-- April 2003: "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God damn America ... for killing innocent people. God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme."
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/04/1Rev-Jeremiah-Wright.jpg
“newly-discovered” comments Obama made in 2001 while discussing the civil rights movement on NPR", from BO, the chicago flyer stapler...
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/03/28/stories.obama.jpg
“If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples, so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.”
“But,” Obama said, “The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, as least as it’s been interpreted, and Warren Court interpreted in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted.”
Obama said “one of the, I think, the tragedies of the civil rights movement, was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still suffer from that.”
what a maroon... i guess blood isn't thicker than anything, f__k your family if they bring bad press
Obama returns aunt's donation after illegal immigrant report (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081101194709.n50fbe3o&show_article=1)
Barack Obama's White House campaign said Saturday it was returning a small donation from his Boston-based Kenyan aunt after questions were raised over her US immigration status.
Aides said Obama had not been in touch with his late father's sister, Zeituni Onyango, 56, for at least four years, and questioned reporting about her residency status so close to Tuesday's election against Republican John McCain.
Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign was returning 265 dollars donated by the aunt to her nephew's White House bid.
http://img.breitbart.com/images/2008/11/1/081101194709.n50fbe3o/CPS.OBW22.011108204556.photo00.photo.jpg
american taxpayer..., under the bus
those who make $250k or more..., under the bus
those who make $200k or more..., under the bus
or was it $150k?..., under the bus
auntie illegal alien..., under the bus
grandmother..., under the bus
rev.wright..., under the bus
say no to BO..., keep the change
http://www.dequalss.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-muslim.jpghttp://obamawho.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/obama-muslim.jpg
The problem I see is that Obama will almost get all the minority vote and all of the white Liberal vote. So how does McCain win this election. I only see him winning the true Republican vote, Gun owners, some middle & upper class. I wonder how many votes will he get from minorities in the Military ?
Boehner stumps for McCain in Oxford (http://media.www.miamistudent.net/media/storage/paper776/news/2008/10/31/FrontPage/Boehner.Stumps.For.Mccain.In.Oxford-3518120.shtml), The Miami Student
Boehner criticized Illinois senator and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama for his stance on domestic drilling, taxes and his number of "present" votes in the Illinois legislature-an attack originally leveled by Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) during the democratic primaries.
"Now, listen, I've voted 'present' two or three times in my entire 25-year political career, where there might have been a conflict of interest and I didn't feel like I should vote," Boehner said. "In Congress, we have a red button, a green button and a yellow button, alright. Green means 'yes,' red means 'no,' and yellow means you're a chicken shit. And the last thing we need in the White House, in the oval office, behind that big desk, is some chicken who wants to push this yellow button."
Obama voted "present" 129 times, 3 percent of the roughly 4,000 times he voted during his 8 years in the Illinois legislature, according to factcheck.org
How many of you have ever read up on "Black Liberation Theology", interesting stuff:
This is criticisim of BLT from Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology
Theology scholar Dr. Robert A. Morley takes a dim view of black theology. Morley's paper "The Goals Of Black Liberal Theology" is one widely quoted paper citing specific criticisms. He states that black theology turns religion into sociology, and Jesus into a black Marxist rebel. His view is that it makes statements against whites and Asians, promotes a poor self-image among blacks, and describes the black man as a helpless victim of forces and people beyond his control. He belives black theology calls for political liberation instead of spiritual salvation. According to political and religious writer Marie Jon, Morley believes it is not Bible-based, Christ-honoring theology.[16]
Anthony Bradley of the Christian Post interprets that the language of "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" as nothing more than channeling the views of Karl Marx. He believes James Cone and Cornel West have worked to incorporate Marxist thought into the black church, forming an ethical framework predicated on a system of oppressor class versus a victim much like Marxism.[17]
Stanley Kurtz of the National Review claims that "A scarcely concealed, Marxist-inspired indictment of American capitalism pervades contemporary 'black-liberation theology'...The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the destruction of America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the story of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with the filth of their evil."
More here->
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_real_agenda_of_black_liber.html
rev.wright preaches blt
bo attended rev.wright's church for 20 years
if so facto
This is from the most accurate poll of the 2004 election...
TIPP: OBAMA 46.7%... MCCAIN 44.6%... NOT SURE 8.7% (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series13.aspx?src=POLLTOPN)
November 2, 2008
Day 21: IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll
The race tightened again Sunday as independents who'd been leaning to Obama shifted to McCain to leave that key group a toss-up. McCain also pulled even in the Midwest, moved back into the lead with men, padded his gains among Protestants and Catholics, and is favored for the first time by high school graduates.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/images/trackpoll110208.jpg
Date McCain Obama Not Sure Spread Details
11/2 44.6% 46.7% 8.7% Obama +2.1 View
11/1 43.4% 47.9% 8.7% Obama +4.5 View
10/31 43.8% 48.2% 8.0% Obama +4.4 View
10/30 43.6% 47.7% 8.7% Obama +4.1 View
10/29 43.9% 46.9% 9.2% Obama +3.0 View
10/28 43.7% 47.7% 8.6% Obama +4.0 View
10/27 44.2% 47.0% 8.8% Obama +2.8 View
10/26 43.3% 46.5% 10.1% Obama +3.2 View
10/25 41.9% 45.8% 12.2% Obama +3.9 View
10/24 42.3% 45.8% 11.9% Obama +3.5 View
10/23 43.7% 44.8% 11.6% Obama +1.1 View
10/22 42.0% 45.7% 12.3% Obama +3.7 View
10/21 40.9% 46.9% 12.1% Obama +6.0 View
10/20 41.4% 46.7% 11.9% Obama +5.3 View
10/19 41.5% 46.6% 11.9% Obama +5.1 View
10/18 39.8% 47.2% 13.0% Obama +7.3 View
10/17 40.6% 45.9% 13.5% Obama +5.3 View
10/16 41.6% 45.2% 13.2% Obama +3.6 View
10/15 41.9% 45.2% 12.9% Obama +3.3 View
10/14 41.9% 44.8% 13.3% Obama +3.0 View
10/13 42.7% 44.8% 12.5% Obama +2.1 View
While I think that John McCain can still win the election, I do think this business owner's solution if that doesn't happen is brilliant.
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Memo to all My Fellow Business Owners
One way to solve the problem if Obama is elected and you are a business owner.
Dear Fellow Business Owners
As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama, will be our next President, and that my Taxes and Fees, will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure, that the Customer, will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 8%. I will also have to lay off 6 of my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled through the parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.
I am sending this letter to all Business owners that I know.
Sincerely
Ward
JOOA Corp
Seems fair.
While I think that John McCain can still win the election, I do think this business owner's solution if that doesn't happen is brilliant.
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Memo to all My Fellow Business Owners
One way to solve the problem if Obama is elected and you are a business owner.
Dear Fellow Business Owners
As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama, will be our next President, and that my Taxes and Fees, will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure, that the Customer, will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 8%. I will also have to lay off 6 of my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled through the parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.
I am sending this letter to all Business owners that I know.
Sincerely
Ward
JOOA Corp
Submariner
11-02-08, 19:33
While I think that John McCain can still win the election, I do think this business owner's solution if that doesn't happen is brilliant.
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Memo to all My Fellow Business Owners
One way to solve the problem if Obama is elected and you are a business owner.
Dear Fellow Business Owners
As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama, will be our next President, and that my Taxes and Fees, will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure, that the Customer, will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 8%. I will also have to lay off 6 of my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled through the parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.
I am sending this letter to all Business owners that I know.
Sincerely
Ward
JOOA Corp
Great idea! If these folks with Obama stickers want change, they will get it.
In spades!
Obama's change is his N.W.O.
Oh, and give the Gang of Plunderers (GOP) another four years by voting for the other moron?
Don't consent to either McMussolini or ObaMarx as dictator. Stay home.
You can still say, "I didn't vote for him."
I wouldn't want to brag about that. No way.
This one always seems to be the best one out there! Makes me fell good! :D
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series13.aspx?src=POLLTOPN
Submariner
11-02-08, 21:25
I wouldn't want to brag about that. No way.
Maybe George Carlin had it right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dqsNrmXgP0
i just threw up in my mouth...
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20081016/i/r1355198763.jpg?x=400&y=297&q=85&sig=F9hrZdvKljkbzUQ2P.B02w--
Maybe George Carlin had it right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dqsNrmXgP0
That's funny. Still a cop out. I'm sick of entertainers expousing their views. f_k them.
thopkins22
11-02-08, 22:35
That's funny. Still a cop out. I'm sick of entertainers expousing their views. f_k them.
George Carlin is one entertainer who actually had well thought out views and we would do well to ignore the profanity and listen to him now and then. I don't even know what his beliefs were, he could be Marxist or he could be a Libertarian, but he sure could call out the bullshit the rest of us just accept.
"Fu*k hope." George Carlin.
Kind of late! Maybe or not?:(
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=780391
Submariner
11-03-08, 07:56
... but he sure could call out the bullshit the rest of us just accept.
MIB Party "A" or MIB Party "B" are the choices "we, the sheeple" are given, as in Military/Industrial/Banking. Ike, the Republican, couldn't quite mention the banking component.
Still a cop out.
"Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil." 1 Thessalonians 5: 21, 22
So, because the Republicans deserve to lose and the Democrats don't deserve to win, I plan on doing my part in the upcoming election to make this happen. I will help McCain lose by not voting for him, and I will not help Obama to win by not voting for him.
The lesser of two evils is still very evil.
I came across this analogy and found it very fitting in regards to the voting for the lesser of two evils.
"The Lesser of Two Evils
Posted by Lew Rockwell at October 29, 2008 11:14 AM
Writes Dave Paradise: "This morning I was explaining to a friend of mine why I'm not voting for either Obama or McCain and had to put it in words that he could understand as he's a staunch believer in voting for the lesser of two evils. Fortunately inspiration hit, and I asked him if he would rather vote for Grima Wormtongue or Saruman to take the Ring of Power to the fires of Mt. Doom. He got the point."
Jay Cunningham
11-03-08, 08:43
MIB Party "A" or MIB Party "B" are the choices "we, the sheeple" are given, as in Military/Industrial/Banking. Ike, the Republican, couldn't quite mention the banking component.
"Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil." 1 Thessalonians 5: 21, 22
So, because the Republicans deserve to lose and the Democrats don't deserve to win, I plan on doing my part in the upcoming election to make this happen. I will help McCain lose by not voting for him, and I will not help Obama to win by not voting for him.
The lesser of two evils is still very evil.
So, we never should have allied ourselves with Joe Stalin during World War II then.
Whatever happened to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
Business_Casual
11-03-08, 09:08
Pointing out that there isn't much difference between the two parties is somewhat pointless. We already know that the Democrats are a center-left party and Republicans are a center-right party.
The issues are where you make your stand - abortion, guns, judges, etc.
M_P
CarlosDJackal
11-03-08, 09:09
A new development for the coal-producing states: YOUR VERY WAY OF LIFE IS ON THE LINE!! (http://environmentalrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/11/obama-to-coalmining-staes-screw-you.html)
Sub, I used think as you do about voting, refusing to be part of the problem. I now think differently and now believe it's not being part of the problem but voting is being part of the solution. The republicans may not deserve to win but who do you think will preserve your rights the "most"? Who is more prepared to protect your rights and your life? Without security, the problems with our economy will mean nothing. Without taking a stand means you have no right to say anything about conditions that we face now and may face in the future. You become someone who is just along for the ride and refuses to make a difference. This is something that has lead us to where we are today.
Jay Cunningham
11-03-08, 09:26
Not to mention, a Republican White House and Democrat Senate is much preferable to the Democrats running everything. Divided government is a good thing. And yes, McCain does display a disturbing tendency to "reach across the aisle" but not all of his appointees will have that issue
All I know is the Obama Campaign must be worried about PA, I've had three calls in the last two days, asking if I am voting for Barack:rolleyes:.......so each time I've kept the person on the line for about ten minutes asking questions about his plans....let them droll on and on.....then tell them there isn't a snowballs chance in Hell. I figure if I tie up their phoneline as long as possible, they aren't reaching a less sane person who might decide to vote for him.:D
While I think that John McCain can still win the election, I do think this business owner's solution if that doesn't happen is brilliant.
-------------------------------------------------
Memo to all My Fellow Business Owners
One way to solve the problem if Obama is elected and you are a business owner.
Dear Fellow Business Owners
As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama, will be our next President, and that my Taxes and Fees, will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure, that the Customer, will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 8%. I will also have to lay off 6 of my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled through the parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.
I am sending this letter to all Business owners that I know.
Sincerely
Ward
JOOA Corp
.......I say instead of raising your prices 8%, you just fire all 8 of the Obama supporters!
30 cal slut
11-03-08, 11:13
some interesting food for thought.
courant.com/features/hc-webcartalks.artnov03,0,1169571.story
Courant.com
Your Car Reveals Your Voting Habits
By LARRY PRINTZ
McClatchy-Tribune
November 3, 2008
Tomorrow, some of you will help select the next president of the United States. In the never-ending stream of polls comes one that any car lover can appreciate.
According to research by automotive price guide Kelley Blue Book; your vehicle preference reveals your political preference.
The company says that Sen. John McCain leads among owners of domestic and luxury cars, including GMC (61 percent of owners prefer McCain), Chevrolet (60 percent), Buick and Dodge (58 percent), Ford (57 percent), Lexus, BMW and Lincoln (52 percent). Kelley's research also finds that 66 percent of full-sized truck owners support McCain, as do owners of SUVs (61 percent) and luxury SUVs (61 percent).
Meanwhile, Sen. Barack Obama leads among import owners, including Mini (70 percent), Subaru (61 percent), Saab (59 percent) and Honda (50 percent). Fifty-nine percent of station wagon owners support Obama, as do owners of hatchbacks (55 percent), crossover SUVs (52 percent) and hybrids (48 percent).
Rick Wainschel, senior vice president of marketing and analytics for Kelley Blue Book, said strong sales of those vehicles align with states where a particular candidate is leading in the polls.
What's the bottom line?
In the past two presidential elections, Wainschel says the Blue Book's findings have accurately predicted the winner. This year's research shows McCain winning over Obama, 47 percent to 46 percent. But, if you add in the margin of error, it becomes a dead heat. So the Blue Book people didn't predict a winner this year.
Compare those results to the cars that the candidates drive, and you'll find the picture gets a bit murkier.
Late last year, Obama bought a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid SUV after widespread reports about his previous ride, a Chrysler 300C with a 340-horsepower Hemi V8.
McCain drives a Cadillac CTS luxury sedan. McCain's garage is also home to a number of vehicles in his wife's name, including a 2000 Lincoln, 2001 GMC SUV, 2001 Honda sedan, 2005 Volkswagen convertible, 2007 Ford pickup, 2008 Jeep and a 1960 Jeep.
theJanitor
11-03-08, 11:35
.......I say instead of raising your prices 8%, you just fire all 8 of the Obama supporters!
he said he only needs to fire 6. but i'm sure after he fires the first six, the remaining two Obama supporters will no longer be Obama supporters ;) If you fire all eight, they'll still be Obama supporters, but they'll be standing in a handout line collecting your tax dollars.
once again..., from DRUDGE
http://www.drudgereport.com/finger.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBMdWxcFXQg
Bionic Dead
11-03-08, 13:41
All I know is the Obama Campaign must be worried about PA, I've had three calls in the last two days, asking if I am voting for Barack:rolleyes:.......so each time I've kept the person on the line for about ten minutes asking questions about his plans....let them droll on and on.....then tell them there isn't a snowballs chance in Hell. I figure if I tie up their phoneline as long as possible, they aren't reaching a less sane person who might decide to vote for him.:D
I love that! I wish I had the patience to do that...I have been contacted also to vote for Obama...i just say, "Are you kidding?!" and hang up. Your way, I'm sure is much more productive. :D
I love that! I wish I had the patience to do that...I have been contacted also to vote for Obama...i just say, "Are you kidding?!" and hang up. Your way, I'm sure is much more productive. :D
I think you also need to say
"I am not sure yet, still thinking about it"
That way they think you are still open and may call again and waste their time. Also, if you finally say YES, they will think you are GTG and when the numbers come back differently than they expected...
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I wonder if the high poll numbers for Obama can be used against him to get people to not bother to vote since he has "already won?"
theJanitor
11-03-08, 17:21
His grandmother just passed away here in Hawaii. my condolences to the family.
I hope that he doesn't try to get sympathy votes out of this sad event.
McCAIN CAMPAIGN MEMO: READING THE EXIT POLLS
Mon Nov 03 2008 16:53:14 ET
As we have seen in previous election cycles, the exit poll results do leak early and that ends up influencing the coverage of the race before even the first state polls close at 6:00 PM Eastern.
However, we want to remind the campaign that the media’s own post-election study of the exit polls in 2004 showed that the exit polls overstate the Democratic candidate’s support. Therefore, we would discourage a rush to judgment based on the exit polls and wait until there has been a representative sampling of actual tabulated results from a variety of counties and precincts in a state.
Here are the key points to keep in mind when the exit poll data starts being leaked:
1. Historically, exit polls have tended to overstate the Democratic vote.
2. The exit polls are likely to overstate the Obama vote because Obama voters are more likely to participate in the exit poll.
3. The exit polls have tended to skew most Democratic in years where there is high turnout and high vote interest like in 1992 and 2004.
4. It is not just the national exit poll that skews Democratic, but each of the state exit polls also suffers from the same Democratic leanings.
5. The results of the exit polls are also influenced by the demographics of the voters who conduct the exit polls.
After the 2004 election, the National Election Pool completed a study investigating why the exit polls that year showed John Kerry over performing 5.5 net points better than the actual results showed him to have done. Their conclusion was that the primary reason the exit polls was that Kerry voters and Democrats were more likely to participate in the exit polls.
“Our investigation of the differences between the exit poll estimates and the actual vote count point to one primary reason: in a number of precincts a higher than average Within Precinct Error most likely due to Kerry voters participating in the exit polls at a higher rate than Bush voters. There has been partisan overstatements in previous elections, more often overstating the Democrat, but occasionally overstating the Republican.
We believe that this will hold true this year. The recent Fox News survey showed that 46% of Obama voters said they were very likely to participate in the exit polls, while just 35% of McCain supporters are.
In fact, even the 2004 exit poll report noted that higher turnout nationally and higher levels of voter interest in both 1992 and 2004 correlated with greater Within Precinct Error.
The overstating of the Democratic vote did not only occur in the national exit polls, but also occurred in the state exit polls. The 2004 exit poll report cited that the Kerry vote was overstated by more than one standard error in 26 states, while the Bush vote was overstated in just four states. So we should also expect the individual state exit polls on Tuesday to be more Democratic as well.
So given that turnout is expected to be even higher than 2004 and that Democrats are more likely to participate in the exit polls, this means we should expect greater fluctuation and variation in the exit polls from the actual election results.
The 2004 exit poll report also showed that the greatest error in the exit poll came in precincts where the interviewer was younger. The completion rates were lower and the refusal rates and Within Precinct Error was higher when the interviewers were under the age of 35.[6] Complicating this is that nearly half the interviewers were under the age of 35, including 35% who were 18-24 and another 15% were 25-34.
Conclusions
Based on the previous exit poll results, we should expect once again that Tuesday’s exit poll data could overstate the Obama vote and under represent the McCain vote.
It is important that the campaign make sure the media realizes this, so that when the exit polls do leak, people do not overreact to the early exit poll data. Rather than looking at the exit polls, we should wait until we start seeing actual election results from key precincts and counties to gauge who won the election.
CarlosDJackal
11-03-08, 19:57
People actually want this guy to be Vice President? :eek:
Biden on girls (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/03/biden-offers-girls/)
LEE'S SUMMIT, Mo. -- "Hey folks, 37 more hours!"
Joe Biden greeted a crowd primed for the home stretch of this long campaign with as much energy as he's had in the last two months on the trail as well as some typical Bidenese.
Telling voters in this swing state that "change is on the way," the Democratic vice presidential candidate offered one of his now-expected random introductory tangents.
The latest was about his sister, Val, his wife Jill, and Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, who introduced the Bidens at the rally of 1,100 people in the gym at Longview Community College.
Biden called his sister a "girl-boy," meaning a tomboy, and then explained that girl-boys are softer than "girl-girls."
"You know why I think Jill likes Claire McCaskill so well, Senator McCaskill? Jill is one of five sisters, Claire is one of three sisters. And I tell you what, you women raised with sisters are different than women raised with brothers," Biden said as both women joined him on stage.
"My sister is smart, runs every one of my campaigns; is beautiful; graduated with honors from college; is homecoming queen. But she's a ... she is what I call a 'girl-boy' growing up, you know what I mean?"
"And I tell you what? Girl-girls are tougher than girl-boys," he said. "But there's one important thing I noticed.The great thing about marrying into a family with five sisters, there's always one that loves you. 'Cause you can count on splitting them a bit. You know what I mean?
"I shouldn't be going off like this, but -- hey, folks, 37 more hours, 37 more hours," he then said.
In his speech, Biden followed with a self-described Freudian slip, in which he confused John McCain and George Bush.
Biden argued that electing McCain would mean four more years of Bush administration policies, but as is always the case with the Delaware senator, a routine line delivered hundreds of times on the trail can still be an adventure.
"In the most recent debate between John McCain and Barack Obama, John McCain felt the need to say to Barack, to the commentator and to all America that he was not John McCain," Biden said in the slip-up. "I mean, he was not President Bush."
As the crowd guffawed, Biden salvaged the line. "The truth is, he's not the John McCain I served with a long time. Freudian slip."
In her introduction praising Biden and Obama, McCaskill took a shot at Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
"You know when Barack had to show the country his judgment, he had to make a very difficult choice. When you think about it, the choice for vice president is really the first opportunity you have as a presidential nominee to show the country your judgment, to show your decision-making process; for them to get a sense of what kind of leader you're going to be. How you make the decision, what you take into account, what is important.
"And let me just tell you, that I think in that process, Barack Obama showed the kind of judgment we need as a president of the United States of America. Barack Obama chose the very best person in the country that could be president of the United States. And well, let's just say John McCain didn't," the Missouri senator said.
FOX News' Aaron Bruns contributed to this report.
jostha2007
11-03-08, 19:58
These yahoos stole my McCain Palin sign last night and replaced with with an Obama sign, (This is in my front yard), so I went outside and lit it on fire!
These yahoos stole my McCain Palin sign last night and replaced with with an Obama sign, (This is in my front yard), so I went outside and lit it on fire!
http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_bucktooth.gif
This guy thinks so!
http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=94&Itemid=118
Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI)
http://www.crf2.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif
Business_Casual
11-04-08, 06:36
I expect the media will call the election around 16:00 to save you folks out west from having to go to the polls and vote. :D
M_P
CarlosDJackal
11-04-08, 10:10
This articles highlights bho's view of the First Amendment (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,446291,00.html)
Obama a Uniter? Actions Speak Louder Than Words
Monday, November 03, 2008
By John R. Lott Jr.
Is Barack Obama a uniter? Since the beginning of the Democratic primaries, unity has been one of his major themes. It proved a strong lure compared to the polarizing Hillary Clinton. That theme has also helped Obama blunt the undeniably bipartisan record of John McCain.
But being a uniter takes some effort. It isn’t just about words. Republicans have pointed to Obama’s lack of bipartisan accomplishments in either state or federal government. And even Obama’s presidential campaign indicates that he has a tin ear when it comes to dealing with those he disagrees with. One of the surest ways to anger others is not giving them a chance to air their views.
Obama’s list of heavy-handed actions is growing:
— Last week the Obama campaign kicked reporters from the Dallas Morning News, the New York Post and the Washington Times off the campaign plane — making it difficult for their papers to cover Obama’s final campaign appearances. The reporters were replaced with writers from magazines such as Glamour. The editorial pages of all three papers had endorsed McCain.
The Obama campaign explained the decision as simply occurring from an excess demand for seats. But Washington Times Executive Editor John Solomon told radio show host Mark Levin on Friday evening that they had been covering the Obama campaign from the beginning of his run for the presidency, and that those endorsements were “the only one common thread among [the three newspapers].”
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— Democrats seemed determined to cut back on the few conservative voices in the mainstream media. Obama supports media-ownership caps, which will primarily affect News Corp, the company that owns Fox News and conservative newspapers such as the New York Post. His proposals to increase minority ownership of broadcasting are also designed to change content, no longer leaving it up to customers to decide what it is they want to listen to.
Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid promise more direct regulations on content. They want to re-impose the “Fairness Doctrine,” mandating that private radio stations provide what the government determines to be “balanced” coverage and guaranteeing that conservative talk radio will be over. There is a reason why talk radio only really began after the “Fairness Doctrine” ended in the 1980s.
Congressman Mike Pence couldn’t get even one single Democratic member of Congress to oppose these regulations last year, and Obama hasn’t yet said whether he would veto a bill regulating radio show content.
— There has been what can only be described as thuggish activity. In late August, Milt Rosenberg — a Chicago institution, broadcasting on WGN radio since 1973 — interviewed Stanley Kurtz about the extremely extensive relationship between Obama and William Ayers. Milt, a mild mannered, middle-of-the-road person, tried to have both sides represented and had invited a representative of the Obama campaign. No one from the campaign agreed to appear. Instead, the campaign organized an immediate, massive call-in campaign to force WGN to cancel Kurtz’s appearance. When that failed, the campaign organized supporters to call in to the station and simply tie up the telephone lines so that other listeners couldn’t ask questions. Others threatened Federal Communication Commission action to revoke WGN’s license.
Rosenberg said that he had never seen anything similar to silence discussion during his years on radio.
— Obama has also gone to the extreme of threatening opponents and television stations with legal action for running ads. For example, when ads were run discussing Obama’s relationship to Ayers, Obama’s campaign demanded that the Department of Justice criminally investigate the group behind the ads. (What criminal charges that were justified by running an ad were never explained.) It is bad enough that a senator demands criminal charges against a political opponent, but Justice Department officials might take this seriously if the president of the United States asks them to press charges.
When the National Rifle Association started running ads warning that Obama had previously supported bans on handguns and massive taxes on bullets, the Obama campaign likewise used intimidation and sent cease-and-desist letters to television stations threatening legal action.
The list is long, but the media isn’t the only place that Obama promises to eliminate dissent. Campaign finance laws will surely be rewritten in ways that make it particularly difficult for Republicans to win races. Limits on total expenditures and public financing entrench incumbents, which in this case would be Democrats. For example, when an incumbent president doesn't face a serious challenge during the primaries, he can sit on the public funds obtained during the primaries until the nominee from the other party has been determined, and then use those primary funds to attack his general election opponent. The non-incumbent party's nominee must usually battle for the nomination and typically has reached the spending limit imposed by the taxpayer funding system by March. These challengers are then severely limited in their ability to campaign until their nominating conventions in August. Challengers Walter Mondale in 1984 and Bob Dole in 1996 were pummeled for months with little financial means to respond.
Or take unions, where secret ballots will be eliminated for union certification elections. What is next? Eliminating secret ballots for other elections? Presumably not, but if we care about preventing voter intimidation generally, why don’t we also care about that for workers? Don’t Democrats trust workers enough to make judgments on their own?
Stronger unions do mean one thing: more money for Democrats’ campaigns in future elections.
It is hard to put up with those who disagree. But will Democrats put up with criticism when they have the presidency and Congress and enough votes in the Senate to avoid a filibuster? This will be more power than any party has had for a long time, because even when the Democrats had over 60 votes in the Senate, many of those were conservative Southern Democrats, who no longer exist.
Some Republicans think that this election doesn’t matter. That in two years they will come back stronger than ever. Indeed, Republicans might be quite angry and inspired to take things back. But 2012 won’t be like 1980. The Democrats plan to tilt the playing field in their favor to ensure a long-term domination in politics.
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Got this by email today...
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From: Gary L. Bauer
Nuggets Of Hope
James Pethokoukis is a respected blogger/columnist at U.S. News and World Report. Before noon, he posted a blog entry noting that a key source in the McCain campaign told him that as of late last night all the battleground states were breaking “hard and fast” toward McCain.
Several conservative oriented websites are reporting that in Ohio, areas that gave Bush the victory in 2004 are experiencing massive turnout. In contrast, some of the Democrat and African-American precincts are coming in with relatively low turnout, perhaps because they voted early in the days leading up to the election.
Thuggery
There are reports of pandemonium in some Philadelphia precincts. Republican poll watchers have been physically kicked out of at least half a dozen voting places. Unbelievably, in one voting location, men with billy clubs who identified themselves as members of the New Black Panther Party blocked the door when some white voters attempted to enter. One voter told Fox News that a Black Panther with a club told him, “We are tired of white domination – a black man is going to win today.”
These extremists don’t represent the black community anymore than Rev. Jeremiah Wright does. But these thug tactics cannot be tolerated in a free country! If you have not already done so, please go VOTE now!
CarlosDJackal
11-04-08, 17:01
...Thuggery
There are reports of pandemonium in some Philadelphia precincts. Republican poll watchers have been physically kicked out of at least half a dozen voting places. Unbelievably, in one voting location, men with billy clubs who identified themselves as members of the New Black Panther Party blocked the door when some white voters attempted to enter. One voter told Fox News that a Black Panther with a club told him, “We are tired of white domination – a black man is going to win today.”
These extremists don’t represent the black community anymore than Rev. Jeremiah Wright does. But these thug tactics cannot be tolerated in a free country! If you have not already done so, please go VOTE now!
I saw this on the tube just before I left to vote. Funny how the fact that such an upstanding organization as the Black Panthers takes up for bho barely makes any news. I bet you if an equally upstanding organization were to do the same for McCain, and I bet they would drag him and Palin right over the coals!!
From an unverifiable source, but still pretty good.
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Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read 'Vote Obama, I need the money.' I laughed.
Once in the restaurant my server had on a 'Obama 08' tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.
At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual
recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
Have a GREAT day!
That's is just fantasic :D
theJanitor
11-04-08, 21:49
without trying to imply any type of scenario, what happens if the President-elect dies before he is inaugurated?
any bumper stickers yet saying "don't blame me I voted for McCain"
decodeddiesel
11-04-08, 23:00
Well, at least they didn't take a "super majority" in the Senate. Not like it matters, seeing how the Libs now overwhelmingly control the legislative, and executive branches.
F***!!!!!!
any bumper stickers yet saying "don't blame me I voted for McCain"
+1
I'll take 3.
I believe we will end up with Joe Biden......probably WORSE for us gun totin' folks
I don't think there was ever any question that the majority of this country is liberal. They just finally all got out and voted. And now that they have they probably always will.
I think once the "trifecta" has four years to show how they are going to "change" everything, the sheep will be waiting for the 2012 election.
I believe the statements Biden was caught saying, This country will be tested in short order of him taking office. The radical/communist/terrorist cells are jumping in joy that McCain is not our Commander in Chief.
I don't think there was ever any question that the majority of this country is liberal. They just finally all got out and voted. And now that they have they probably always will.
I don't think they are liberal at all, stupid or ignorant comes to mind. Obama looks like the perfect choice if you haven't got a clue about the issues or are unable to think on your own. Republicans are to blame as well, They have been trying to "out democrat" democrats for years and the results show up well with the real democrats in power.
Business_Casual
11-04-08, 23:13
I don't think there was ever any question that the majority of this country is liberal. They just finally all got out and voted. And now that they have they probably always will.
I think you are completely and totally wrong.
Here is what happened: Republican intellectuals tried to run a "middle way" candidate that supported open borders, punishing Wall Street 'fat cats' and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting new oil exploration in this country. In other words, he was a liberal. When you run a liberal Republican who isn't handing out bribes against a liberal democrat who is handing out bribes, guess who wins?
The truth is we need to redouble efforts to support Republicans that are true conservatives. Obama will be a footnote in history. He'll do some damage, but the 8 years following his term will be devoted to fixing the country.
M_P
Whatever. Tonight def. supports you POV huh? :rolleyes:
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Jay Cunningham
11-05-08, 07:43
Barack Obama is President Elect.
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