View Full Version : Interesting; A Day in Pompeii
Averageman
06-04-18, 18:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_3ggKg0Bc
I'm surprised the pyroclastic flow, given the speeds at which they travel, took so long to reach Pompeii.
Interesting. Now I'm watching Documentaries on Pompeii!
with the Guatemala eruption today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG9Z9sVROQ
I spent quite a bit of time around the areas where it happened in Guatemala beautiful country
I'm surprised the pyroclastic flow, given the speeds at which they travel, took so long to reach Pompeii.
It didn't take very long, it was just later in the chain of events.
Herculanium is not far from Pompeii, and is much better preserved than Pompeii. Herculanium never got the pyroclastic flow, so the second stories of all the buildings survived intact. Actually, pretty much everything survived intact. Sadly, most of the contents of both locations have been taken to museums off site, so to see any of the amazing artifacts, you have to go someplace else.
Averageman
06-05-18, 08:12
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44363444
The eruption generated pyroclastic flows - fast-moving mixtures of very hot gas and volcanic matter - which descended down the slopes, engulfing communities such as El Rodeo and San Miguel Los Lotes.
Eufemia Garcia, from Los Lotes, described how she narrowly escaped the volcanic matter as she walked through an alley to go to the shops. Though she had found two of her children alive she was still searching for two daughters and a son and a grandson, as well as her extended family.
"I do not want to leave, but go back, and there is nothing I can do to save my family," she said.
The Dumb Gun Collector
06-05-18, 17:02
Went there about 5 years ago, amazing stuff. Fairly intact whorehouses!
Saw a documentary about Krakatoa on TV a few years back. When it blew there were people on a "neighboring" island (not sure how far away) who were up on a hill in some village or such. They could see the pyroclastic flow zooming across the water, but weren't sure what to make of it. When it hit the beach-level of the island they saw it leveling everything and tried to run at that point, but for most it was too late given the speed at which it travelled. By the time it was close enough to make out what it was doing their distance from the beach-level was quickly overcome by the flow.
IIRC Krakatoa was bigger than Pompeii as far as explosions are concerned.
sundance435
06-07-18, 09:56
Thanks for posting this. I just toured Pompeii not long ago, at the same time the eruptions in Hawaii were headline news - now, Guatemala. Pompeii is truly a bucket list-worthy experience. No other Roman ruins I've seen compare to it because they are relatively intact. It was fascinating and terrifying to think about what they experienced - they had to think the world was ending. Sad to see the same thing happening in Guatemala.
Saw a documentary about Krakatoa on TV a few years back. When it blew there were people on a "neighboring" island (not sure how far away) who were up on a hill in some village or such. They could see the pyroclastic flow zooming across the water, but weren't sure what to make of it. When it hit the beach-level of the island they saw it leveling everything and tried to run at that point, but for most it was too late given the speed at which it travelled. By the time it was close enough to make out what it was doing their distance from the beach-level was quickly overcome by the flow.
IIRC Krakatoa was bigger than Pompeii as far as explosions are concerned.
Krakatoa was huge and pretty sure the biggest eruption in recorded history. However, Pompeii and Herculanium are fascinating, especially given how much was preserved.
Krakatoa was huge and pretty sure the biggest eruption in recorded history. However, Pompeii and Herculanium are fascinating, especially given how much was preserved.
A good read by Simon Winchester: https://www.amazon.com/Krakatoa-World-Exploded-August-1883/dp/0060838590
By the way, it is rebuilding and is now above water again, growing and erupting: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203028/Will-Krakatoa-rock-world-Last-time-killed-thousands-changed-weather-years-deadlier.html
A good read by Simon Winchester: https://www.amazon.com/Krakatoa-World-Exploded-August-1883/dp/0060838590
By the way, it is rebuilding and is now above water again, growing and erupting: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203028/Will-Krakatoa-rock-world-Last-time-killed-thousands-changed-weather-years-deadlier.html
Most do. I wouldn't want to live near it for anything even though it will probably be another 1,000 years before it's actually a problem again. Also wouldn't want to live in Seattle with Rainer so close and somewhat due.
Most do. I wouldn't want to live near it for anything even though it will probably be another 1,000 years before it's actually a problem again. Also wouldn't want to live in Seattle with Rainer so close and somewhat due.
As far as pyroclastic flows go I'm sure you've seen pics of the area surrounding Mount St. Helens. Forests levelled like some giant had swiped his hand across the Earth.
Nature can be a Bitch!
As far as pyroclastic flows go I'm sure you've seen pics of the area surrounding Mount St. Helens. Forests levelled like some giant had swiped his hand across the Earth.
Nature can be a Bitch!
Not to mention the station wagon with the family that made an honest effort but didn't quite pull it off. If I remember things correctly, their last moments were reported by another fleeing vehicle that did make it.
There are things I just won't ever mess with and "Let's go look at the volcano that might erupt" is one of them. The event is just too big to know when you are too close. I remember watching the news when it finally went and had been seeing it on the news for about a week thinking "you people are nuts" when guys like Truman said "I've lived on this mountain all my life and it's never been a problem."
I was still a kid and even I knew better.
sundance435
06-08-18, 11:12
I remember watching the news when it finally went and had been seeing it on the news for about a week thinking "you people are nuts" when guys like Truman said "I've lived on this mountain all my life and it's never been a problem."
I was still a kid and even I knew better.
This kind of density never ceases to make me shake my head when these types of disasters happen. Like Larry Vickers says, "Big boy rules". It's why I have such a problem with the government spending billions to REBUILD areas prone to natural disasters. If you like living in Florida, fine, but don't expect me to foot the bill to rebuild your house after a hurricane, especially if you didn't purchase adequate insurance. I'll take my crappy Midwest weather over hurricanes, earthquakes, mudslides, forest fires, etc.
This kind of density never ceases to make me shake my head when these types of disasters happen. Like Larry Vickers says, "Big boy rules". It's why I have such a problem with the government spending billions to REBUILD areas prone to natural disasters. If you like living in Florida, fine, but don't expect me to foot the bill to rebuild your house after a hurricane, especially if you didn't purchase adequate insurance. I'll take my crappy Midwest weather over hurricanes, earthquakes, mudslides, forest fires, etc.
Honestly, we'd have no place safe then. The midwest has tornadoes, earthquakes, the SE gets hurricanes, the west has massive fires and earthquakes and the rest is desert. Go to far north and you get snow storms that can kill you. So while I agree people in the midwest shouldn't have to pay a "fee" to rebuild New Orleans, it still isn't practical to say nobody should live in New Orleans.
Natural disasters happen everywhere. And eventually the Yellowstone Super Volcano will take out the entire country.
And eventually the Yellowstone Super Volcano will take out the entire country.
http://fortune.com/2017/10/12/yellowstone-park-supervolcano/ "Yellowstone Supervolcano Could Erupt Sooner Than We Thought."
“It’s shocking how little time is required to take a volcanic system from being quiet and sitting there to the edge of an eruption,” Hannah Shamloo, a graduate student at Arizona State University who worked on the research, told The New York Times.
http://fortune.com/2017/10/12/yellowstone-park-supervolcano/ "Yellowstone Supervolcano Could Erupt Sooner Than We Thought."
“It’s shocking how little time is required to take a volcanic system from being quiet and sitting there to the edge of an eruption,” Hannah Shamloo, a graduate student at Arizona State University who worked on the research, told The New York Times.
Drill down to relieve pressure eh? Guess it's better than doing nothing.
I live a little east of the ash-fall line from the last Yellowstone eruption, so in all likelihood I'd escape that part of the destruction. However, it's the long-term effects that'll get ya, i.e. no food production over time.
I was surprised to see that they consider a big supervolcano eruption worse than an asteroid. There are some BIG friggin' rocks zipping around out there.
sundance435
06-11-18, 09:44
Honestly, we'd have no place safe then. The midwest has tornadoes, earthquakes, the SE gets hurricanes, the west has massive fires and earthquakes and the rest is desert. Go to far north and you get snow storms that can kill you. So while I agree people in the midwest shouldn't have to pay a "fee" to rebuild New Orleans, it still isn't practical to say nobody should live in New Orleans.
Natural disasters happen everywhere. And eventually the Yellowstone Super Volcano will take out the entire country.
I know - I agree, for the most part. It's the most egregious examples that really irk me, like entire regions of Florida that should never have been built up (and in doing so removed some of the natural protection for other areas), all because too many people want the "Florida" life. As I alluded to, if you want to live in these areas, fine, but you'd better insure yourself against the dangers, rather than expecting a government handout to help you rebuild. Yes, it is impractical to not allow anyone to live in NOLA, but the government shouldn't be actively encouraging people to rebuild in areas we know are going to be devastated again, ESPECIALLY if those same people were unwilling/unable to insure themselves.
Much of the Midwest is only at very marginal risk of tornado damage. Knock on wood, but I can't think of the last really destructive tornado in my area for hundreds of miles within the last 50 years. I suppose there's some risk from the New Madrid fault, too, but I'm well out of the destructive modelling zones, other than perhaps broken windows. Yes, people hate our winters, but we've adapted to the point that except for your once-every-30-years dumping of a few feet of snow, they're not that disruptive. Minnesota has it down to a science.
Back to Pompeii - there are 2 million people living in the Naples area now. If Vesuvius goes again, it'll make Pompeii look pretty tame in comparison. For a time, the Italian government offered pretty generous payouts (I'm going off of what my Pompeii guide told me) to folks who lived in the area of Vesuvius to relocate, especially after the last event in 1944. All they succeeded in doing was keeping people from rebuilding on Vesuvius itself (which only happened because they made it a national park), while Naples grew into the 3rd largest city in the country.
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