Immigration agents arrest 114 in sting at Ohio landscaper

[26 Inf]

Here's what is a major problem we have with illegal immigration, and why illegal immigration will be a problem well into the future:

Immigration agents arrest 114 in sting at Ohio landscaper - none of the 114 arrested were the employers of the 114 illegal immigrants. And in more news: In April, agents made about 100 worker arrests at a meatpacking plant in rural Tennessee..........No criminal charges have been filed against the employer.

Here's the story: https://www.yahoo.com/news/immigration-agents-arrest-114-landscaper-140227951.html

We will have problems with illegal immigration until we 1) make the border tight; 2) make arresting and significantly fining and imprisioning employers the norm.

These guys will get by with it because, wink, wink 'his papers looked good.'

[GH41]

Here in La la Land (Hilton Head Island SC) help is hard to get. The 3 largest employers (A restaurant group and 2 landscape companies) require at least fake documentation. The low skilled natives won't work because our government pays them $3,500 a month to sit on their asses if they have 3-4 kids. Immigration wouldn't be a problem without entitlement programs!

[Dienekes]

Let’s hear it for all the “feckless” congressmen and successive generations of spineless weasels who, for decades past, thought doing nothing about illegal immigration was just peachy.

Most are long dead and gone now—but the damage is done.

Yeah, Teddy, “Lion of the Senate”— “Walrus Maximus” — I’m talking about YOU.

[Jsp10477]

If they fined every employer of illegals as harshly as they hit Asplundh, I bet this would stop. $95 million for Asplundh, how much for the others?

[titsonritz]

Fine and imprison the employers, it'd be done damn overnight.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Immigration wouldn't be a problem without entitlement programs!

Take away the incentives that bring them here and they won't want to come here.

[Renegade]

These guys will get by with it because, wink, wink 'his papers looked good.'

Just a coincidence they were all named Jose Lopez and had same SSN.

[Averageman]

I drove by a school that was under construction one day when the Border Patrol decided to pay a visit.
Literally people jumping out of windows to get away from being checked and bear in mind it was a public school being inspected.
I have often wondered why the Bosses or Owners of such business aren't going to jail, perhaps if we want to end this.....never mind.

[GH41]

I drove by a school that was under construction one day when the Border Patrol decided to pay a visit.
Literally people jumping out of windows to get away from being checked and bear in mind it was a public school being inspected.
I have often wondered why the Bosses or Owners of such business aren't going to jail, perhaps if we want to end this.....never mind.

If the construction companies didn't hire immigrants the school wouldn't get built! There is no one else to hire. Like I said earlier... American citizens won't work labor jobs because our government pays them more to stay home and have babies! Why would they work for 15 bucks an hour when Uncle Sam pays them 22 an hour to stay home??

[26 Inf]

If the construction companies didn't hire immigrants the school wouldn't get built! There is no one else to hire. Like I said earlier... American citizens won't work labor jobs because our government pays them more to stay home and have babies! Why would they work for 15 bucks an hour when Uncle Sam pays them 22 an hour to stay home??

I don't totally agree with that sentiment. I think a lot of folks just don't want to work that hard.

As an example, one of the cooks for the cafeteria services provider at my former employer, got a job at one of our local salt mines. Nearly double the pay. He did orientation, and quite the second day. They had him, the new guy, schlepping 40 pound bags of water softener salt off a conveyor onto pallets. His words as he reclaimed his old job 'I ain't going to work that hard.'

Another example - my sons both work at a paper mill,one of the best paying 'non-technical' entry level job in our area. Problem is - it's a paper mill - humid year round, 100+ by the machines. Entry level guys spend a lot of time scooping hot steaming paper(ish) out of the 'hole' when the machines screw up. Despite it being one of the best paying jobs in the area, my son's tell me only about a third of the new hires stick with it. Simply too hard.

So in reality, while I do believe that a number of folks do set at home on the dole, even more don't take the concrete or general construction work simply because they don't want to work that hard. They stick with a less physically demanding lower paying Mcjob rather than do hard physical work.

Truth is, in reality both of us are probably over simplifying.

[Averageman]

Also at some point in the topsy turvy numbers of who is working with you, do you want to be the only non management gringo on the shift?

I worked construction in Chicago in the 70s as a cement laborer. I was union and made a great wage and paid union dues. You had to be a Citizen to get a union card.
If you didn't have a card, a guy who looked like "Big Pussy" from the Sopranos would put an arm around your shoulder and walk with you to the edge of the 14th floor and "have a talk with you."
You generally quit or joined the union.

As jacked up as that is, it might be better than ileagle immigration, stolen identities, our schools being overcrowded, Ears being abused etc. etc.
People worked, paid taxes and were generally on a safe work environment aside from Big Pussy anyway.

[Dienekes]

As hard as it is for me to believe it (mainly because I really, really don’t WANT to) illegal immigration and our refusal to actually do anything about it may be a good indicator of our depravity, it’s pretty telling.

My WWII vet dad joined the Border Patrol in 1940. As a newborn I came home from the hospital in a Border Patrol car...a harbinger of my future, I guess.

If my father could see where we are now, he’d give me that dreaded glare of doom and ask, “ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS?”

And, as usual, he’d be right.

[vicious_cb]

I don't totally agree with that sentiment. I think a lot of folks just don't want to work that hard.

As an example, one of the cooks for the cafeteria services provider at my former employer, got a job at one of our local salt mines. Nearly double the pay. He did orientation, and quite the second day. They had him, the new guy, schlepping 40 pound bags of water softener salt off a conveyor onto pallets. His words as he reclaimed his old job 'I ain't going to work that hard.'

Another example - my sons both work at a paper mill,one of the best paying 'non-technical' entry level job in our area. Problem is - it's a paper mill - humid year round, 100+ by the machines. Entry level guys spend a lot of time scooping hot steaming paper(ish) out of the 'hole' when the machines screw up. Despite it being one of the best paying jobs in the area, my son's tell me only about a third of the new hires stick with it. Simply too hard.

So in reality, while I do believe that a number of folks do set at home on the dole, even more don't take the concrete or general construction work simply because they don't want to work that hard. They stick with a less physically demanding lower paying Mcjob rather than do hard physical work.

Truth is, in reality both of us are probably over simplifying.

Pretty much. I dont mind illegals who come here to work hard and take the jobs no one wants to do. Its the criminals and the social welfare leeches I have a problem with.

This sting is bullshit Id rather hear they arrested 114 illegals with criminal records instead of going for the ones that arent causing any problems.

[RetroRevolver77]

Pretty much. I dont mind illegals who come here to work hard and take the jobs no one wants to do. Its the criminals and the social welfare leeches I have a problem with.

This sting is bullshit Id rather hear they arrested 114 illegals with criminal records instead of going for the ones that arent causing any problems.


Yah except there is now some 84 million immigrants and their children living here or 27% of the total population. At some point how much cheap labor do we need or is this just a push by Democrats to gain voters and swell welfare rolls?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

[TAZ]

Pretty much. I dont mind illegals who come here to work hard and take the jobs no one wants to do. Its the criminals and the social welfare leeches I have a problem with.

This sting is bullshit Id rather hear they arrested 114 illegals with criminal records instead of going for the ones that arent causing any problems.

Well they are all by definition criminals, but I get your drift.

Right now the incentives for those fleeing third world shitholes is too great. Build a 1000’ wall and they will continue to scale it, just as people risked getting shot at best or being raped and tortured by the communists while trying to flee Eastern Europe.

We need to stop the incentives. When the jobs dry up cause no employer wants to run the risk of hiring an illegal. When the schools refuse to serve kids. When the hospitals are able to refuse services... the illegal tide will slow. When the free shit army has no free shit they will carry salt bags or starve. Then we can set up a better system for allowing those who want to work to come here. Till then we are pissing in the wind.

[The_War_Wagon]

Ready the catapults!

And tell that 30 yr. old basement-dwelling, pajama-boy, in New Yawk, that we HAVE a JOB for him... :big_boss:

[vicious_cb]

Well they are all by definition criminals, but I get your drift.

Right now the incentives for those fleeing third world shitholes is too great. Build a 1000’ wall and they will continue to scale it, just as people risked getting shot at best or being raped and tortured by the communists while trying to flee Eastern Europe.

We need to stop the incentives. When the jobs dry up cause no employer wants to run the risk of hiring an illegal. When the schools refuse to serve kids. When the hospitals are able to refuse services... the illegal tide will slow. When the free shit army has no free shit they will carry salt bags or starve. Then we can set up a better system for allowing those who want to work to come here. Till then we are pissing in the wind.

Too many incentives is a problem for both illegals and generational welfare citizens. I think we need to lower incentives in general and actually reward the hardworking ones illegal or not.

I envision something like this so we caught you an illegal working at a landscaping company, no criminal record, minimal use of welfare and emergency services, we'll hand you a visa and put you in the queue for citizenship so you can keep working and so we can track you since you actually contribute to society.

So, we caught you an illegal driving without a licence. No work history that anyone can vouch for, a misdemonor on your record, using welfare services, congrats you earned a 1 way ticket back to whatever shithole you came from.

I think the assumption that people are coming here based on the incentives isnt the whole story, personally I think people will come here with or without incentives. Why, because its still America and people will always want to move to the better country and the shittier their home country the more they'll want to come over here. We're America, thats the real incentive.

Totally agree you, no wall is going to stop the tide if people are desperate enough. Look at Europe, they have the whole Mediterranean to stop illegals. People will hop in half sinking rowing boats to get away from their failing countries. We cant go in and fix their countries so there has to be another way.

How else do we get them on our side? We have to show them another way, instead of being used by Democrats who will keep them on generational welfare in exchange for votes.

[26 Inf]

Yah except there is now some 84 million immigrants and their children living here or 27% of the total population. At some point how much cheap labor do we need or is this just a push by Democrats to gain voters and swell welfare rolls?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

Man, I know in your viewpoint, but here are some relevant numbers:

What is the immigrant population in the United States?

Legal and Illegal Combined - Immigrants comprise about 14 percent of the U.S. population: more than forty-three million out of a total of about 323 million people[/B], according to Census Bureau data.

Legal and Illegal Combined - Together, immigrants and their U.S.-born children make up about 27 percent of U.S. inhabitants.

]Illegal Immigrants - The undocumented population is about eleven million and has leveled off since the 2008 economic crisis.

Legal immigrants and their children make up approximately 22.4% of the population. ***

Illegal Immigrants - More than half of the undocumented have lived in the country for more than a decade; nearly one third are the parents of U.S.-born children.

Illegal immigrants make up roughly 3.5% of the U.S. population. ***

Children of illegal immigrants make up at least 1.1% of the U. S. population (the so called anchor babies). ***

Total minimum population of illegals and their children 4.6% (roughly 1 in 20).***

Children of immigrants, legal and illegal combined, make up approximately 13% of the U.S. population, roughly 42 million. ***

The figures represents a steady rise from 1970, when there were fewer than ten million immigrants in the United States.

Enforcement Trends

In 2017, Customs and Border Protection reported a 26 percent drop in the number of people apprehended or stopped at the southern border.

At the same time, arrests of suspected undocumented immigrants jumped by 40 percent.

Individuals who arrive to the United States legally and overstay their visas comprise a significant portion of the undocumented population. Individuals who overstayed their visas have outnumbered those who arrived by crossing the border illegally by six hundred thousand since 2007.

Immigrants in the Workforce

In 2014, immigrants made up roughly 17 percent of the U.S. workforce, around two-thirds were in the country legally.

In 2014, immigrants comprised 36 percent of the workforce in U.S. manufacturing.

In 2014, immigrants comprised 33 percent of the workforce in U.S. agriculture.

How do Americans feel about immigration?

In 2017, a Gallup poll found that 71 percent of Americans considered immigration a “good thing” for the United States.

In 2016, as many as 84 percent supported a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants if they meet certain requirements.

Among Republicans, support for a path to citizenship (76 percent) was higher than support for a proposed border wall (62 percent).

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-immigration-debate-0?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn_el-cnA2wIVAZBpCh0LBwoKEAAYASAAEgK0QfD_BwE

*** Using data from the linked article (my ciphering)


Or is this just a push by Democrats to gain voters and swell welfare rolls?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/06/26/heres-a-close-look-at-how-immigrant-voters-could-affect-the-2016-election/?utm_term=.54e9a224a24c

[JC5188]

I don't totally agree with that sentiment. I think a lot of folks just don't want to work that hard.

As an example, one of the cooks for the cafeteria services provider at my former employer, got a job at one of our local salt mines. Nearly double the pay. He did orientation, and quite the second day. They had him, the new guy, schlepping 40 pound bags of water softener salt off a conveyor onto pallets. His words as he reclaimed his old job 'I ain't going to work that hard.'

Another example - my sons both work at a paper mill,one of the best paying 'non-technical' entry level job in our area. Problem is - it's a paper mill - humid year round, 100+ by the machines. Entry level guys spend a lot of time scooping hot steaming paper(ish) out of the 'hole' when the machines screw up. Despite it being one of the best paying jobs in the area, my son's tell me only about a third of the new hires stick with it. Simply too hard.

So in reality, while I do believe that a number of folks do set at home on the dole, even more don't take the concrete or general construction work simply because they don't want to work that hard. They stick with a less physically demanding lower paying Mcjob rather than do hard physical work.

Truth is, in reality both of us are probably over simplifying.

This is my experience.

[Averageman]

Well de-incentivising the welfare state should be the goal of every conservative. Those in elected office have done that before successfully, I would look for some inroads on this again after the next elections if the conservative side of the GOP gets a win.
The Left has no clue how to pay for the social programs and mass immigration they are proposing and that should be emphasized at ever opportunity.

I have problems with illegal immigration and it is illegal for a number of reasons.
You have to have at least a respect for our Laws in order to become a citizen, if you break the law to get here, I don't care what your situation was in your home Country, you came in the door a criminal.
If you wouldn't qualify to come here under the law because of a criminal history, do we want you here?
If you come here without a medical screening, do we want to pick up the tab for your ER visits so you can get treated? Do we want you spreading your disease?
If you come here without a skill and without a real desire to work, do we want to train you? Do we want to support you if you decide you would rather not work?

So as much as I might desire to come here illegally if I was born in some third world country, there are reasons we have a process and laws to back up that process.
The reason no one is willing to take the problem on is, it's not going to be popular for a politician to take these issues on. We've got a lot of RINO's leaving the House and Senate, notice that even they, with no political future refuse to address the issue?
I applaud the POTUS for taking the action he has so far, I would like to see him push the issue further during his second term.

[26 Inf]

I would like to see him push the issue further during his second term.

As you know, I am not particularly a fan of President Trump. That being said, he is the oldest President-Elect in our history. The Presidency is an incredibly wearing job. I'm not so sure, even if I was a major fan, I would be in favor of voting an almost 75 year-old man into office.

President Eisenhower was younger after his second term was completed than President Trump was when he was elected.

The closest to President Trump in age was President Reagan.

The example of President Reagan may not be a good one, President Reagan had lead a very active life, and had a regular work out routine: https://parade.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/12_04_83_page1-0.jpg

On the other hand, President Trump's view of exercise - humans are born with a "finite amount of energy" and exercise depletes that energy supply. https://www.self.com/story/donald-trump-excuse-on-exercise

The rigors of the office, combined with age, would make me hesitant to endorse anyone in their mid-70's.

[RetroRevolver77]

As you know, I am not particularly a fan of President Trump. That being said, he is the oldest President-Elect in our history. The Presidency is an incredibly wearing job. I'm not so sure, even if I was a major fan, I would be in favor of voting an almost 75 year-old man into office.

President Eisenhower was younger after his second term was completed than President Trump was when he was elected.

The closest to President Trump in age was President Reagan.

The example of President Reagan may not be a good one, President Reagan had lead a very active life, and had a regular work out routine: https://parade.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/12_04_83_page1-0.jpg

On the other hand, President Trump's view of exercise - humans are born with a "finite amount of energy" and exercise depletes that energy supply. https://www.self.com/story/donald-trump-excuse-on-exercise

The rigors of the office, combined with age, would make me hesitant to endorse anyone in their mid-70's.


Yah well, if he gets sick in office we get Pence. So not sure what you are implying. Hell we got dinosaurs on the Supreme Court and they're still kicking.

[MountainRaven]

If the construction companies didn't hire immigrants the school wouldn't get built! There is no one else to hire. Like I said earlier... American citizens won't work labor jobs because our government pays them more to stay home and have babies! Why would they work for 15 bucks an hour when Uncle Sam pays them 22 an hour to stay home??

https://i.imgur.com/R0djgkw.gif

I was recently on unemployment and got a whopping $150 a week from the government. And that was like pulling teeth. How the hell do you get the government to pay $22 an hour to stay home? And is that pay every hour that you're home? Because that's a lot of overtime after a day or two.

[GH41]

https://i.imgur.com/R0djgkw.gif

I was recently on unemployment and got a whopping $150 a week from the government. And that was like pulling teeth. How the hell do you get the government to pay $22 an hour to stay home? And is that pay every hour that you're home? Because that's a lot of overtime after a day or two.

You have to be a woman with 4 illegitimate kids and attend a church that has monthly meetings ran by liberal social workers. They coach you on how to get the most from the government. It has nothing to do with unemployment. The 22 an hour number came from dividing the monthly entitlement total by 160 hours a month. Do you know what a baby momma is??

[Moose-Knuckle]

You have to be a woman with 4 illegitimate kids and attend a church that has monthly meetings ran by liberal social workers. They coach you on how to get the most from the government. It has nothing to do with unemployment. The 22 an hour number came from dividing the monthly entitlement total by 160 hours a month. Do you know what a baby momma is??

Well that and a few other minor details.

[GH41]

Well that and a few other minor details.

I can assure you that being 65 years old, white, no kids, and have a couple of million in assets gets you absolutely nothing. Unfortunately when you say millions the masses don't give a shit how or how long or what you invested to get it. They just tag you as one of the elites. They will try their best to punish you for working hard and saving. The poor bastards didn't have a chance because they were born the wrong color or race. That's the line liberals tow. They only care about a group of voters who think their livelihood is dependent on Dem lawmakers.

[26 Inf]

not sure what you are implying.

All I'm saying is that I'm not sure I'd look forward to voting for someone President Trump's age for a second term.

If I was a Dem I'd damn sure not be floating Joe Biden who, is about 3.25 years older than President Trump. Biden would be nearly 80 in 2021.


Yah well, if he gets sick in office we get Pence.

Agreed, he would be a better fill in than some Vice-Presidents we have had.


Hell we got dinosaurs on the Supreme Court and they're still kicking.

And I believe that you are probably one who has remarked about cognitive powers, time to go, etc.

Kind of my point regarding a second term for a man of President Trump's age.

[26 Inf]

I was recently on unemployment and got a whopping $150 a week from the government. And that was like pulling teeth. How the hell do you get the government to pay $22 an hour to stay home? And is that pay every hour that you're home? Because that's a lot of overtime after a day or two.

The source for the claim, said Stenhouse, is a report from the libertarian Cato Institute called "The Work Versus Welfare Trade-Off: 2013." It examined the value of various welfare programs by state.

The Rhode Island total comes from starting with the $6,648 a year in cash welfare that a single parent with two children could receive, which is the only unrestricted cash that recipients would see. (It's also 34 percent less than what recipients got in 1995, adjusted for inflation, according to Cato.)

Then you add in:
$6,249 per year in food stamps (now called the SNAP program)
$12,702 in housing subsidies
$11,302 as the cost of buying health care coverage comparable to Medicaid
$275 in heating assistance
$300 a year under the Emergency Food Assistance program (TEFAP)
$1,156 in food under the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) program for pregnant women, new mothers and children up to age 5.
31,984
6.648 welfare checks
38,642

The total -- $38,632 -- is equivalent to what a single parent with two children would get to keep after taxes if the parent earned $43,330 a year, or $20.83 an hour for a 40-hour work week, Cato said.

"Many welfare recipients, even those receiving the highest level of benefits, are doing everything they can to find employment and leave the welfare system," the Cato report concludes. "Still, it is undeniable that for many recipients -- especially long-term dependents -- welfare pays more than the type of entry-level job that a typical welfare recipient can expect to find. As long as this is true, many recipients are likely to choose welfare over work."

But there's a problem: There's nothing typical about this amount because very few poor people are eligible for -- or take advantage of -- all these programs.

The Cato report acknowledges that most people won't be getting close to the $38,632. For example, welfare recipients aren't eligible for WIC benefits unless they have children under age 5. Another example: Many poor people can't get a housing subsidy -- only 1 in 4 Rhode Islanders receiving cash welfare are also receiving housing assistance.

Anticipating such criticism, Cato did another calculation, looking only at the welfare, food stamp and Medicaid programs that, they said, nearly all poor people would be eligible for. Cato found that the value of just those benefits was equivalent to being paid $17,347 a year, or $8.34 an hour.

That's a far cry from $20.83 an hour.

On the other hand, $8.34 an hour is still only 66 cents below the current Rhode Island minimum wage, with no need to punch a time clock, find child care, or arrange for transportation to and from a job.

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2015/feb/01/rhode-island-center-freedom-and-prosperity/do-common-welfare-programs-pay-equivalent-2083-hou/

[NWPilgrim]

The source for the claim, said Stenhouse, is a report from the libertarian Cato Institute called "The Work Versus Welfare Trade-Off: 2013." It examined the value of various welfare programs by state.

The Rhode Island total comes from starting with the $6,648 a year in cash welfare that a single parent with two children could receive, which is the only unrestricted cash that recipients would see. (It's also 34 percent less than what recipients got in 1995, adjusted for inflation, according to Cato.)

Then you add in:
$6,249 per year in food stamps (now called the SNAP program)
$12,702 in housing subsidies
$11,302 as the cost of buying health care coverage comparable to Medicaid
$275 in heating assistance
$300 a year under the Emergency Food Assistance program (TEFAP)
$1,156 in food under the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) program for pregnant women, new mothers and children up to age 5.
31,984
6.648 welfare checks
38,642

The total -- $38,632 -- is equivalent to what a single parent with two children would get to keep after taxes if the parent earned $43,330 a year, or $20.83 an hour for a 40-hour work week, Cato said.

"Many welfare recipients, even those receiving the highest level of benefits, are doing everything they can to find employment and leave the welfare system," the Cato report concludes. "Still, it is undeniable that for many recipients -- especially long-term dependents -- welfare pays more than the type of entry-level job that a typical welfare recipient can expect to find. As long as this is true, many recipients are likely to choose welfare over work."

But there's a problem: There's nothing typical about this amount because very few poor people are eligible for -- or take advantage of -- all these programs.

The Cato report acknowledges that most people won't be getting close to the $38,632. For example, welfare recipients aren't eligible for WIC benefits unless they have children under age 5. Another example: Many poor people can't get a housing subsidy -- only 1 in 4 Rhode Islanders receiving cash welfare are also receiving housing assistance.

Anticipating such criticism, Cato did another calculation, looking only at the welfare, food stamp and Medicaid programs that, they said, nearly all poor people would be eligible for. Cato found that the value of just those benefits was equivalent to being paid $17,347 a year, or $8.34 an hour.

That's a far cry from $20.83 an hour.

On the other hand, $8.34 an hour is still only 66 cents below the current Rhode Island minimum wage, with no need to punch a time clock, find child care, or arrange for transportation to and from a job.

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2015/feb/01/rhode-island-center-freedom-and-prosperity/do-common-welfare-programs-pay-equivalent-2083-hou/

The math is much simpler fir many folks at that economic level. "Can I survive on welfare and other freebies, without working? Yes? Then no way am I going to work my ass off for some bossy bastard ". Doesn't matter if it is above or below some baseline pay rate. If they can get by and not have to work, that is good enough. I doubt many actual do the math.

[Averageman]

The rigors of the office, combined with age, would make me hesitant to endorse anyone in their mid-70's.

And then their is the "Keith Richards Syndrome" where nothing on Earth can kill you no mater how many Big Mac's or Heroin you indulge in.
I dunno, I'm guessing he's going to do another term. We're at 500 days and so far the MSM has thrown everything but the Kitchen Sink at him and he's relatively unflappable.
Honestly as bad as this guy pisses off the left, I would donate a kidney to him just to insure Jake Tappers blood pressure stays elevated.

[RetroRevolver77]

I was recently on unemployment and got a whopping $150 a week from the government. And that was like pulling teeth. How the hell do you get the government to pay $22 an hour to stay home? And is that pay every hour that you're home? Because that's a lot of overtime after a day or two.


The average value of benefits for Welfare is something like $70K a year per person.

[Pandaz3]

First toward welfare, I '94, my son unit #2 had just been discharged after his enlistment was up in the Army. His skills as a machine gunner were not in high demand in Oklahoma so he applied for unemployment after his "Leave time' was over. He did apply a lot places, and had fast food joint offers that he passed on. I asked why, he said they (approximation here, Mr. Memory is AWOL) pay around $5.00 and unemployment pays $7.25 and as soon as pay beats $7.25 he would take the job. Two weeks later he started the involved process of being hired by the Border Patrol. (that took over two months) so in Oklahoma circa '94 Unemployment paid about $290 a week before any deductions. It does depend on the state and deductions, but $150 seems awful low for 2018.


I do not think the employment laws are stringent enough. They do not require that employers use E-Verify, which validate SSAN data. That gives a fairly accurate Identification. Harder to beat than you might think. If that were required to be performed and documented, then employer prosecutions would increase.