View Full Version : US servicemember killed, four wounded in Somalia
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/politics/us-military-somalia-casualty/index.html
Apparently were working with a group of Somali and Kenyan troops 350km SW of Mogadishu. Al Shabaab attacked with mortars and small arms.
RIP.
Why send traffic to CNN's site so they can make money off of ads?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/08/1-us-soldier-killed-4-wounded-in-attack-in-somalia.html
Why send traffic to CNN's site so they can make money off of ads?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/08/1-us-soldier-killed-4-wounded-in-attack-in-somalia.html
Because when I posted it FOX didn't have it on their website. I know, I looked before I dared to post a CNN link. (heard about it on the radio today and Googled it when I came home)
Why are we even still in these shitholes? Hate to say it but Obama was doing something right when he was droning the crap out of everyone.
I know it's usually special forces and things like that but we need to knock off this joint coalition crap because it never works.
Why are we even still in these shitholes? Hate to say it but Obama was doing something right when he was droning the crap out of everyone.
I know it's usually special forces and things like that but we need to knock off this joint coalition crap because it never works.
It is literally the job of SF.
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vicious_cb
06-09-18, 02:38
Why are we even still in these shitholes? Hate to say it but Obama was doing something right when he was droning the crap out of everyone.
I know it's usually special forces and things like that but we need to knock off this joint coalition crap because it never works.
What do you mean? SOF forces have been doing this shit since Vietnam. Or would you rather let these countries become terrorist havens like pre 9-11 Afghanistan?
Averageman
06-09-18, 11:22
What do you mean? SOF forces have been doing this shit since Vietnam. Or would you rather let these countries become terrorist havens like pre 9-11 Afghanistan?
Isn't Somalia already a terrorist haven?
If you ask for help clearing the terrorists out of an area, the support has to be in place to extract and provide indirect fires for covering the force on the ground.
I'm all for droning the crap out of these guys and then the host Nation provides everything necessary or available they have.
If we need more than what is available, we need to take another evaluation as in risk vs reward.
We've been unpleasantly surprised like this a couple of times now.
Do we need more hardware on the ground to support these missions or do the Nation's we send aid to need more commitment?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/politics/us-military-somalia-casualty/index.html
Apparently were working with a group of Somali and Kenyan troops 350km SW of Mogadishu. Al Shabaab attacked with mortars and small arms.
RIP.
Hopefully an AC130 gets parked over Al Shabaab's location and pink mist the result.
What do you mean? SOF forces have been doing this shit since Vietnam. Or would you rather let these countries become terrorist havens like pre 9-11 Afghanistan?
I'd rather drone them to death or AC-130 the crap out of them than spend the lives of the people who are literally "the best" we can send. I understand that is where the bad people are but I simply don't know that it is worth the lives of any American soldier let alone the best ones we have.
And ironic that you mention 9-11 as the idea was born from us screwing around in Somalia and showing a lack or resolve following the Blackhawk Down incident. Were we not "nation building" in Somalia with Boutros Boutros, Al Quida might never have believed it possible to attack us in the way they did.
I'd rather drone them to death or AC-130 the crap out of them than spend the lives of the people who are literally "the best" we can send. I understand that is where the bad people are but I simply don't know that it is worth the lives of any American soldier let alone the best ones we have.
And ironic that you mention 9-11 as the idea was born from us screwing around in Somalia and showing a lack or resolve following the Blackhawk Down incident. Were we not "nation building" in Somalia with Boutros Boutros, Al Quida might never have believed it possible to attack us in the way they did.
Somalia was a proof of concept op for Al Quida who acted essentially as our SF do by advising the Somalis that if they gave the US a bloody nose, they would tuck tail and run. It was in essense an Al Quida op. I'm not sure of they had hands on part in the planning of the Black Hawk Down event, but it was Al Quida apparently that instructed the Somalis how to deal with the US, and the Clinton admin, true to form, pulled and ran just as Al Quida told them he would. Rumor has it their was a team of face shooters in bound to put OBL out of our misery when we knew exactly where he was as his camp via his phone, and were told to stand down last second as Clinton didn't have the balls to do it, and send missiles, which missed OBL mile a long shot. Had Clinton not been such a weak leader, OBL and his crew put down like rats by some meat eaters old school style, 9/11 likely never would have happened. 9/11 of course showed the world we are vulnerable to such things, and prior events showed if we responded at all, it was half assed at best. 9/11 finally poked the bear enough to get a real response, perhaps more than they bargained for. Now if we'd just stayed out of Iraq and focused on Al Quida...
Who knows how any of it would’ve gone down. It doesn’t really matter. If we stay out of everyone’s shit and just let the rest of the world collapse, then there are major groups and people that we have to deal with when we finally decide it needs to happen. If we spread forces throughout the world we can slow the growth, but are more susceptible to this kind of stuff. Either way, we will be fighting. They could have all of the backing and assets in the world, eventually one of the bastards will get lucky and get one of ours. That’s just how it is.
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Somalia was a proof of concept op for Al Quida who acted essentially as our SF do by advising the Somalis that if they gave the US a bloody nose, they would tuck tail and run. It was in essense an Al Quida op. I'm not sure of they had hands on part in the planning of the Black Hawk Down event, but it was Al Quida apparently that instructed the Somalis how to deal with the US, and the Clinton admin, true to form, pulled and ran just as Al Quida told them he would. Rumor has it their was a team of face shooters in bound to put OBL out of our misery when we knew exactly where he was as his camp via his phone, and were told to stand down last second as Clinton didn't have the balls to do it, and send missiles, which missed OBL mile a long shot. Had Clinton not been such a weak leader, OBL and his crew put down like rats by some meat eaters old school style, 9/11 likely never would have happened. 9/11 of course showed the world we are vulnerable to such things, and prior events showed if we responded at all, it was half assed at best. 9/11 finally poked the bear enough to get a real response, perhaps more than they bargained for. Now if we'd just stayed out of Iraq and focused on Al Quida...
Well stated!
Decent article sent to me by another member:
https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2018/06/us-special-forces-soldier-killed-in-shabaab-ambush.php
Another one linked in the above article:
https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2017/07/shabaab-gains-in-somalia-due-to-lapses-in-offensive-counterterrorism-operations.php
I didn't include it here but there was also a brief article about an SVBIED attack the day after the attack in the OP, on the same outpost.
From what I saw today he was an MI HumInt guy.
From the DoD photo I saw of him I surmise he was an MI guy attached to Group, not an actual long-tabber (not that it matters).
From what I saw today he was an MI HumInt guy.
From the DoD photo I saw of him I surmise he was an MI guy attached to Group, not an actual long-tabber (not that it matters).
Yeah that's correct.
Somalia was a proof of concept op for Al Quida who acted essentially as our SF do by advising the Somalis that if they gave the US a bloody nose, they would tuck tail and run. It was in essense an Al Quida op. I'm not sure of they had hands on part in the planning of the Black Hawk Down event, but it was Al Quida apparently that instructed the Somalis how to deal with the US, and the Clinton admin, true to form, pulled and ran just as Al Quida told them he would. Rumor has it their was a team of face shooters in bound to put OBL out of our misery when we knew exactly where he was as his camp via his phone, and were told to stand down last second as Clinton didn't have the balls to do it, and send missiles, which missed OBL mile a long shot. Had Clinton not been such a weak leader, OBL and his crew put down like rats by some meat eaters old school style, 9/11 likely never would have happened. 9/11 of course showed the world we are vulnerable to such things, and prior events showed if we responded at all, it was half assed at best. 9/11 finally poked the bear enough to get a real response, perhaps more than they bargained for. Now if we'd just stayed out of Iraq and focused on Al Quida...
It was more proof of concept from OBL to Al Quida that the US was vulnerable to attack after the Blackhawk Down event. Al Quida leadership still wasn't completely convinced and that is what the USS Cole attack was about. To prove the weak resolve of US leadership.
Of course if we weren't "nation building" in Somalia to begin with the entire event would not have happened. Bush (41) with his naive plan to "fix Africa" with the UN was as bad as Bush (43) with his naive plan to "fix Iraq." Of course a lot of this stuff could have been avoided if we steered clear of the Iraq / Kuwait border / oil resources dispute which even the UN failed to mediate.
Instead we declared war on the closest thing to a secular arab state in the region and a US ally Reagan spent years cultivating. We pissed off the wahhabist which the Saudi Royal family was unwilling or unable to control and we've been running things pretty much into the ground ever since with limited and temporary results.
And the cost in US personnel and resources, not to mention lives, has not bought us anything remarkable. By contrast, with a single bombing attack in Libya, Reagan purchased a "don't screw with the Americans" attitude that lasted right up until Mogadishu.
It was more proof of concept from OBL to Al Quida that the US was vulnerable to attack after the Blackhawk Down event. Al Quida leadership still wasn't completely convinced and that is what the USS Cole attack was about. To prove the weak resolve of US leadership.
Of course if we weren't "nation building" in Somalia to begin with the entire event would not have happened. Bush (41) with his naive plan to "fix Africa" with the UN was as bad as Bush (43) with his naive plan to "fix Iraq." Of course a lot of this stuff could have been avoided if we steered clear of the Iraq / Kuwait border / oil resources dispute which even the UN failed to mediate.
Instead we declared war on the closest thing to a secular arab state in the region and a US ally Reagan spent years cultivating. We pissed off the wahhabist which the Saudi Royal family was unwilling or unable to control and we've been running things pretty much into the ground ever since with limited and temporary results.
And the cost in US personnel and resources, not to mention lives, has not bought us anything remarkable. By contrast, with a single bombing attack in Libya, Reagan purchased a "don't screw with the Americans" attitude that lasted right up until Mogadishu.
Ya'll keep preaching on it! Reagan did make it clear that there would be consequences for the wrong actions, and Libya was pretty quiet after that. When Obummer and Killary decided to arm terrorists and create more power vacuums in the Middle East during their Arab Spring they made things go even more south. It damn sure appears that our government has been hell bound and determined to keep us in the Middle East indefinitely. Seems like the will of the military industrial complex keeps us mired in these meaningless conflicts regardless of what party is in power in the United States is working...
It's high time our nation went on a serious no holds barred face shooting to prove that we are not to be trifled with. International policy more and more reminds me of our modern education system. The kids know they teachers are a paper tiger, and they absolutely take total advantage of it. If more kids went home with a sore asses (like they did 30 years ago) they'd figure out sooner than later that they can't get by with it without suffering some consequences.
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