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From today's DoD contract announcements:
Colt's Manufacturing, West Hartford, Connecticut (W15QKN-18-D-0105); Daniel Defense,* Black Creek, Georgia (W15QKN-18-D-0106); FN America, Columbia, South Carolina (W15QKN-18-D-0107); and Remington Arms Co., Ilion, New York (W15QKN-18-D-0108), will compete for each order of the $28,482,840 firm-fixed-price contract to fabricate, locate, procure, or otherwise provide 5.56MM North Atlantic Treaty Organization commercial off-the-shelf carbines. Four bids were solicited with four bids received. Work locations and funding will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of July 13, 2019. U.S. Army Contracting Command, New Jersey, is the contracting activity.
Presumably for foreign sales?
Probably just a Stickman group buy. :cool:
I thought the phrase "fabricate, locate, procure, or otherwise provide" was curious.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-13-18, 18:35
How much per gun?
Well at ~ $1000 a pop it's 28,000 weapons. Interesting.....foreign sales?
Typically, yes. This way they produce M4s without having to pass full MIL acceptance testing for FMS clients-customers. They can cast the sub-contractor net wider for components.
I outfitted an Iraqi SF expansion with Rock River select-fire M4geries with Daniel Defense rails.
Typically, yes. This way they produce M4s without having to pass full MIL acceptance testing for FMS clients-customers. They can cast the sub-contractor net wider for components.
I outfitted an Iraqi SF expansion with Rock River select-fire M4geries with Daniel Defense rails.
Do you think that Third World troops can be successful in the long run with a weapon as intricate as the AR platform (when compared to the usual AK)? I guess maintenance would be my biggest question.
Grand58742
07-14-18, 08:58
I thought Remington was going under?
I thought Remington was going under?
I thought Colt was going under... my .gov will split the contract and save them..
Remington has since emerged from bankruptcy and is apparently no longer under Cerberus.
RetroRevolver77
07-14-18, 12:41
Do you think that Third World troops can be successful in the long run with a weapon as intricate as the AR platform (when compared to the usual AK)? I guess maintenance would be my biggest question.
No, that's why we give them AR's.
M16s/M4s can last a very, very long time.
Lots of folks go ga-ga stoopid watching IDF threads, looking for older/legacy M16A1 rifle and carbine derivatives. The Philippines has weapons built in the 70s.
The Air Force has hundreds of over-stamped M16A1 derivative carbines they call GAU-5s and GUU-5s. Both the Army and Navy have thousands of M16A1s in war-storage.
Third-world M16:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/retro%20AR15%20pics/imageloadere87f68iy2.jpg
M16s/M4s can last a very, very long time.
Lots of folks go ga-ga stoopid watching IDF threads, looking for older/legacy M16A1 rifle and carbine derivatives. The Philippines has weapons built in the 70s.
The Air Force has hundreds of over-stamped M16A1 derivative carbines they call GAU-5s and GUU-5s. Both the Army and Navy have thousands of M16A1s in war-storage.
Third-world M16:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/retro%20AR15%20pics/imageloadere87f68iy2.jpg
Funny you mention that pic. It reminds me of a Karen pic years ago from Burma (Myanmar nowadays) where some toothless tribesman had an M16A1 over his shoulder with the FSB and spots on the barrel rusting. I remember thinking that if an AR platform weapon could remain functional that long in a tropical, humid, jungled environment that it had to be durable. No doubt with Third World maintenance to boot.
I spent 3 years in Panama as a grunt so I can vouch for tropical conditions, but we eventually checked our weapons into an arms room after a thorough cleaning. Those Karen fighters didn't have an arms room, and had been at it for years.
Grand58742
07-15-18, 08:28
M16s/M4s can last a very, very long time.
Lots of folks go ga-ga stoopid watching IDF threads, looking for older/legacy M16A1 rifle and carbine derivatives. The Philippines has weapons built in the 70s.
The Air Force has hundreds of over-stamped M16A1 derivative carbines they call GAU-5s and GUU-5s. Both the Army and Navy have thousands of M16A1s in war-storage.
Third-world M16:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/retro%20AR15%20pics/imageloadere87f68iy2.jpg
The Navy at Tinker has some M4 rebuilds in the armory that were H&R lowers. Until that time, I didn't even know anyone other than Colt, FN and Armalite had produced the M16 FOW for the .mil.
The Navy at Tinker has some M4 rebuilds in the armory that were H&R lowers. Until that time, I didn't even know anyone other than Colt, FN and Armalite had produced the M16 FOW for the .mil.
The Hydra-Matic Division of General Motors also made M16A1's for the U.S. military.
The Navy at Tinker has some M4 rebuilds in the armory that were H&R lowers. Until that time, I didn't even know anyone other than Colt, FN and Armalite had produced the M16 FOW for the .mil.
Our agency received rebuilt M16A1's through the DOD LE program. Two rifles I saw had well worn PWA lower receivers.
Grand58742
07-15-18, 10:51
The Hydra-Matic Division of General Motors also made M16A1's for the U.S. military.
Yeah, I started looking it up in the aftermath.
I did have a four digit serial number M16 when I was stationed in Iceland.
Do you think that Third World troops can be successful in the long run with a weapon as intricate as the AR platform (when compared to the usual AK)? I guess maintenance would be my biggest question.
I remember in some 80's SOF magazine they had pictures of Viet Nam captured M16's either given or sold real cheap to South American commie insurgents. Evidently they liked a mag well hold as a few were eaten clean through on front of mag well from sweat and tropic conditions, I am talking 1-2" holes all the way through the mag wells. But they still worked.:rolleyes:
The Iraqi military has received substantial quantities of M16/M4's. Presumably they're working out for them.
The Navy at Tinker has some M4 rebuilds in the armory that were H&R lowers. Until that time, I didn't even know anyone other than Colt, FN and Armalite had produced the M16 FOW for the .mil.
First M16 I fired back in 1984 was an H&R.
I remember in some 80's SOF magazine they had pictures of Viet Nam captured M16's either given or sold real cheap to South American commie insurgents. Evidently they liked a mag well hold as a few were eaten clean through on front of mag well from sweat and tropic conditions, I am talking 1-2" holes all the way through the mag wells. But they still worked.:rolleyes:
I beleive that was El Salvador.
First M16 I fired back in 1984 was an H&R.
My issued M16A1 while stationed in Panama during the mid-80's was a Hydra-Matic. Saw a couple H&R's, one I recall was also stamped Colt XM16E1.
I'm sure that they had all been arsenal rebuilt at least once by that time though.
I beleive that was El Salvador.
Yes it was, I recall that pic.
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