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polymorpheous
07-20-18, 17:56
https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=ATF-2018-0002-87401&attachmentNumber=1&contentType=pdf



June 27, 2018

Vivian Chu
Office of Regulatory Affairs,
Enforcement Programs Services,
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives,
U.S. Department of Justice,
99 New York Ave. NE,
Washington DC 20226

Via electronic submission to regulations.gov

Re: ATF’s Notice of Proposed Rulemaking Docket Number ATF2017R-22

On March 29, 2018, ATF posted a notice of proposed rulemaking to the federal register that would amend the existing definition of “machinegun” used in the enforcement of domestic federal gun laws.1 The National Rifle Association of America submits the following comments in response to the proposed rulemaking.

I. Congress’s Definition of “Machinegun” Creates a Mechanical Test, Not a Performance-Based Standard

When assessing whether bump fire stocks meet the legal definition of a “machinegun,” it’s important to keep in mind the statutory limitations of that term. Congress defines “machinegun” as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.”2 More relevant to bump fire stocks, the term also includes “the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.”3 Thus, the law sets forth a mechanical test, not a performance-based standard focusing on rate of fire.

Because Congress created a mechanical test, ATF has consistently applied the definition to devices or firearms depending on their function, not on the rate of fire achievable with the device or firearm.4 Indeed, ATF has noted that “bump fire” can also be induced in unmodified semiautomatic firearms. Yet unmodified semiautomatic firearms are clearly not “machinegun[s]” under federal law and do not become one simply because a particular user induces bump fire with them.5

Semiautomatic firearms were in common use when Congress created the first definition of “machinegun” in 1934,6 and the current definition of “machinegun” in 1968.7 Yet unmodified semiautomatic firearms have never been considered “machinegun[s]” for purposes of federal law.8 Indeed, Congress enacted an entirely separate law to regulate AR-15s and various other semiautomatic firearms between 1994 and 2004,9 with no suggestion that these firearms could simply have been administratively reclassified as “machinegun[s].”

While the new proposed definitions of “automatically” and “single function of the trigger” continue to focus on mechanical function, rather than capability or performance, there are numerous phrases throughout the proposed rule that could be used to imply capability or performance is relevant to a firearm’s classification as a “machinegun.” For example, Section II of the proposed rule begins: “[s]hooters use bump-stock-type devices with semiautomatic firearms to accelerate the firearm’s cyclic firing rate to mimic automatic fire. Such devices are designed principally to increase the rate of fire of semiautomatic firearms.”

This focus on performance by claiming that a bump fire stock either “increase[s] the rate of fire of semiautomatic firearms” or “mimic[s] automatic fire” is irrelevant to whether or not a bump fire stock is a machine gun. Either it is a “part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon . . . to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger,”10 or it is not.

Beyond being irrelevant, ATF’s claim that “bump-stock-type devices . . . accelerate the firearm’s cyclic firing rate . . .” is simply incorrect. These devices do not affect the rate of fire of the host firearm, which is determined by the firearm’s operating system and, to a limited extent, certain environmental factors such as the level of lubrication and cleanliness of the host firearm.

The rate of fire achievable with a particular firearm or device is irrelevant to whether or not a particular firearm is a “machinegun.” Some “machinegun[s]” fire as slowly as 200-400 rounds per minute, while many common “machinegun[s]” fire 1000 rounds per minute or more. 11 With such a broad range of firing rates, it’s apparent why Congress did not use rate of fire as a determinant factor in the definition of “machinegun.”

However ATF proceeds with this rulemaking, it is important that the distinction between semiautomatic firearms and machineguns remains clear. There are tens of millions of semiautomatic firearms currently possessed by law-abiding Americans. Suddenly and retroactively banning them as “machinegun[s]” under federal law would create a number of very serious constitutional, legal, and practical problems. More to the point, the statutory definition is simply not intended to stretch this far.

II. Application of the Regulation to Existing Bump Fire Stocks

The proposed rule does not provide for a registration period for “any device that would be classified as ‘machinegun’ as a result of this rulemaking.” Without the ability to register, owners of existing devices will be required to destroy their heretofore-lawful property. ATF claims that “[a] final rule will provide specific information about acceptable methods of disposal, as well as the timeframe under which disposal must be accomplished to avoid violating 18 U.S.C. 922(o).”

As support for requiring such disposal, ATF claims that, “[t]he NFA provides that only the manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm may register it.” This statement ignores the three methods that ATF has used in the past when reversing prior classifications under the NFA: amnesty, non-retroactivity, and modification of the device.

In this case, equitable principles strongly favor protecting those who in good faith acquired devices that ATF now seeks to reclassify as “machinegun[s].” Owners of these products have relied on over a decade of ATF’s own rulings and guidance when lawfully acquiring bump fire stocks, and the proposed rule would now turn these gun owners into felons or require destruction of their property.

Beyond problems of fundamental fairness, the lack of a way for gun owners to retain some value in their property likely makes the proposed rule a taking in violation of the Fifth Amendment. While some courts have refused to recognize taking challenges that result from the exercise of the government’s regulatory authority,12 recent Supreme Court case law makes these cases of questionable merit. In Murr v. Wisconsin, a regulatory land-use decision, the Court held that:
The Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment provides that private property shall not be taken for public use, without just compensation. The Clause is made applicable to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment. As this Court has recognized, the plain language of the Takings Clause requires the payment of compensation whenever the government acquires private property for a public purpose, but it does not address in specific terms the imposition of regulatory burdens on private property.13

In response to this new guidance from the Supreme Court, the United States District Court for the Southern District of California issued an injunction blocking enforcement of a law that would have required gun owners to surrender their lawful magazines, remove them from the state, or sell them to a licensed firearm dealer.14 That court relied, in part, on the fact that the plaintiffs were likely to succeed on the merits of their Takings Clause claim based on the forced loss of their magazines without compensation.15

The case for a Takings Clause violation is even stronger with devices that would be reclassified as “machineguns” by the proposed rule because, unlike the California magazine owners who could move their property out of the state or transfer it to a firearm dealer, owners of bump fire stocks are given only the option of destroying their property.

To comply with principles of equity and ensure that the proposed rule is not a violation of the Takings Clause, ATF must address the problem the proposed rule creates for existing bump fire stock owners -- through an amnesty, by limiting retroactivity of any final rule, or by providing for modification of the devices.
a. Amnesty

When passing the Gun Control Act in 1968, Congress included a 30-day amnesty period for individuals to register NFA firearms.16 In addition to that amnesty period, Congress gave the Secretary of the Treasury the authority to conduct additional amnesty periods of up to 90 days for any single period.17 This provision gave broad authority to the Secretary by allowing amnesty “as the Secretary determines will contribute to the purposes of this title.”18

When ATF reclassified certain shotguns as destructive devices in 1994,19 the agency also provided for a period of amnesty, which finally closed May 1, 2001 after about 8,200 of the shotguns were registered with ATF.20

ATF could provide one or more 90-day periods of amnesty for the registration of bump fire stocks. While there are some additional complications due to the lack of markings on bump fire stocks, Congress has delegated broad discretion to determine the scope and requirements of any amnesty. ATF already has experience with firearms marking issues for individuals who are not federal firearm licensees. (Every time a non-licensee makes an NFA “firearm,” the maker must mark the firearm in compliance with federal law.21)

In addition to providing amnesty for bump fire stocks, ATF should consider a broader amnesty for “machinegun[s].” When Congress delegated the authority to provide for additional periods of amnesty, there was a clear legislative understanding that amnesty generally serves the purposes of federal firearms laws by bringing “machinegun[s]” and other NFA “firearms” that are currently contraband, and therefore likely to eventually end up in the wrong hands, into the legal market where they have value and are extremely unlikely to be used in crime.22

While there has always been some concern about an amnesty affecting ongoing investigations or allowing possession by otherwise prohibited persons23, ATF, as previously stated, could place substantial limitations on the scope of any amnesty, and would be free to set the requirements for registration to prevent the problems associated with the 1968 amnesty.
b. No Retroactive Effect

ATF has broad authority to limit the retroactive effect of administrative actions affecting the internal revenue laws.24 In the case of regulations, there is a general rule against retroactive effect.25

In past rulings, ATF has attempted to completely limit any retroactive effect. For example, in the case of AR-15 “Auto Sears,” ATF stated that “[w]ith respect to the machine gun classification of the auto sear under the National Firearms Act, pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 7805(b), this ruling will not be applied to auto sears manufactured before November 1, 1981. Accordingly, auto sears manufactured on or after November 1, 1981, will be subject to all of the provisions of the National Firearms Act and 27 C.F.R. Part 479.”26

The Seventh Circuit rejected this broad reading of section 7805(b) in United States v. Cash.27 While ATF’s “Auto Sear” ruling seemed to imply that mere possession of a pre-1981 sear alone remained lawful, the Cash court limited 7805(b)’s retroactivity limitations to only excusing the payment of taxes:
Defendants believe that it places auto sears manufactured before November 1, 1981, outside all obligations laid by statute on the ownership and transfer of firearms. But nothing in the firearms statutes gives the Secretary of the Treasury (or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) the power to make exemptions to § 5845(b) and associated legal obligations. The statute to which ATF Ruling 81-4 refers, 26 U.S.C. § 7805(b), provides that the Secretary cannot give retroactive application to tax regulations and adds in § 7805(b)(8) that the “Secretary may prescribe the extent, if any, to which any ruling (including any judicial decision or any administrative determination other than by regulation) relating to the internal revenue laws shall be applied without retroactive effect.” Read in conjunction with § 7805(b)(8), the proviso in the fourth paragraph of ATF Ruling 81-4 means only that the Secretary will not collect any tax under 26 U.S.C. §§ 5801, 5811, or 5821 on account of auto sears manufactured or transferred before November 1, 1981. The ruling does not-and cannot-excuse compliance with criminal laws applicable at the time of post-1981 transfers.28

In United States v. Dodson, the Sixth Circuit agreed with this reading of section 7805(b), concluding that the statute’s purpose was to excuse prior tax and regulatory violations, and not continuing noncompliance with criminal laws.29

While NRA does not agree with this narrow reading of section 7805(b), reliance on this restrictive interpretation would complicate any attempt to generally limit the retroactivity of the proposed rule. However, this provision still serves an important purpose when used in conjunction with an amnesty. Section 7805(b) can excuse tax payments that might otherwise be required when a firearm is registered under an amnesty.

ATF used the provision in this manner during the registration period for the shotguns that were reclassified as NFA “firearms,” discussed supra.30 Registrants were not required to pay the $200 transfer tax that would have been associated with the acquisition of a “destructive device.” This same approach could be applied to excuse tax payments for the registration of bump fire stocks or other “firearms” during the recommended amnesty period.
c. Modification

As discussed in the proposed rule, when ATF reclassified the “Akins Accelerator” as a “machinegun,” existing owners of the device were allowed to remove and dispose of a spring rather than destroying the entire device.31 Similar modifications could be done in the case of bump fire stocks. While it would be up to ATF to determine the exact extent of modification necessary, removal of the finger rest, permanently affixing the stock, or removal of the stock pin assembly would seem to limit the use of a bump fire stock to semiautomatic fire only.

While modification in these ways would limit the financial harm to gun owners over complete destruction, these types of modifications may so diminish the utility of a bump fire stock that a violation of the Takings Clause still occurs.32 For this reason, NRA recommends an amnesty as a less onerous solution for dealing with the existing supply of bump fire stocks.

III. Conclusion

However ATF continues with this proposed rule, it must keep in mind the limitations placed on the definition of “machinegun” by Congress. If ATF decides to reverse prior determinations regarding the classification of specific devices, then it should provide for an amnesty period for these devices and other unregistered “machinegun[s].”

Signed,
Josh Savani

Director
Research & Information Division
NRA-ILA

SteyrAUG
07-20-18, 21:10
About effin' time.

Moose-Knuckle
07-21-18, 02:06
https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=ATF-2018-0002-87401&attachmentNumber=1&contentType=pdf

Man, I haven't seen you post here in ages.

polymorpheous
07-21-18, 02:18
Man, I haven't seen you post here in ages.


I started enjoying this board less and less post Sandy Hook.

I think my last thread was my suppressor thread.

Moose-Knuckle
07-21-18, 02:21
I started enjoying this board less and less post Sandy Hook.

I think my last thread was my suppressor thread.

I get it.

Lots of folks come and go for different reasons.

Good to see you post.

RetroRevolver77
07-21-18, 07:47
About effin' time.


Obviously they were going to use this as a gateway to ban semi-auto's.

AndyLate
07-21-18, 10:31
Obviously they were going to use this as a gateway to ban semi-auto's.

My thought is initially it would make any and all fire control groups which differed in any way from the original (semi) AR-15 design illegal.

Andy

PatrioticDisorder
07-21-18, 11:47
I’m just getting into the machine gun game, but if the registry opens, every gun I own (except for most handguns) will be registered as a machine gun. A 90 day period would likely yield MILLIONS of new machine guns into the registry, essentially making them “common use.” It would be cool as hell to see new firearms made into machine guns like the B&T. APC9, CZ Scorpions, SCARs... possibilities are endless!


And just spit balling here, but maybe this has always been “3-D chess”, obviously Don Jr. is as staunchly pro-2a as anyone on the board and has his father’s ear, I’m sure he wouldn’t mind turning a few modern sporting rifles into machine guns. Perhaps BATFE will bend to the will of the NRA’s recommendations and call it a “compromise.” I won’t hold my breathe, only time will tell, but just maybe, one can certainly hope!

jesuvuah
07-21-18, 13:38
This is why I don't mind donating money to the nra ila.

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SteyrAUG
07-21-18, 16:35
I’m just getting into the machine gun game, but if the registry opens, every gun I own (except for most handguns) will be registered as a machine gun. A 90 day period would likely yield MILLIONS of new machine guns into the registry, essentially making them “common use.” It would be cool as hell to see new firearms made into machine guns like the B&T. APC9, CZ Scorpions, SCARs... possibilities are endless!


And just spit balling here, but maybe this has always been “3-D chess”, obviously Don Jr. is as staunchly pro-2a as anyone on the board and has his father’s ear, I’m sure he wouldn’t mind turning a few modern sporting rifles into machine guns. Perhaps BATFE will bend to the will of the NRA’s recommendations and call it a “compromise.” I won’t hold my breathe, only time will tell, but just maybe, one can certainly hope!

Since they try and portray semi auto AR-15s and AK type rifles as machine guns anyway, might as well make it true. And yeah, when their "compromise is ALL semi autos" then our position should be "we want to make new machine guns."

Renegade
07-21-18, 17:18
I’m just getting into the machine gun game, but if the registry opens, every gun I own (except for most handguns) will be registered as a machine gun. A 90 day period would likely yield MILLIONS of new machine guns into the registry, essentially making them “common use.” It would be cool as hell to see new firearms made into machine guns like the B&T. APC9, CZ Scorpions, SCARs... possibilities are endless!


922(o) prevents the adding of transferable machine guns. How ironic the folks responsible for 922(o) are now asking for an amnesty to a ban they supported.


I won’t hold my breathe, only time will tell, but just maybe, one can certainly hope!

No gun rights were ever secured with "hope".

PatrioticDisorder
07-21-18, 17:41
922(o) prevents the adding of transferable machine guns. How ironic the folks responsible for 922(o) are now asking for an amnesty to a ban they supported.

At this point in the Republic, who gives a shit what the actual letter of the (possibly ill passed on a voice vote) law states? We have immigration law too, Dems wipe their ass with it. BATFE doesn’t seem to mind pulling new “regulations” out of their ass, so why not new machine guns?.... SCOTUS seems to have the “common use”metric, with even a 90 day period to make new machine guns, there will be millions making them “common use.” We can even call them “dreamer” machine guns that are in need of “permanent legal status.”

Renegade
07-21-18, 17:49
At this point in the Republic, who gives a shit what the actual letter of the (possibly ill passed on a voice vote) law states?

Apparently the NRA and anyone who has not made an illegal machine gun.

PatrioticDisorder
07-21-18, 18:13
Apparently the NRA and anyone who has not made an illegal machine gun.

Or simply put, hard working honest people that don’t break the law, but when push comes to shove many of whom will refuse to let their country become Cuba or Venezuela.

I keep thinking this over, it probably won’t happen, but if it did imagine how many new applications the BATFE would have to process? I believe I read something recently that with the next budget there is supposed to be a ton of new examiners hired, which has me thinking maybe someone or someones’ has been setting this up all along...

SteyrAUG
07-21-18, 22:00
922(o) prevents the adding of transferable machine guns. How ironic the folks responsible for 922(o) are now asking for an amnesty to a ban they supported.



If only Reagan had a line item veto at the time. Do you realize how far down the rabbit hole we'd be today were it not for FOPA 86? We haven't had one single President since Reagan who would have signed it, let alone a version that closed the registry.

More importantly, you seem to forget that we were up against a bill from Hughes that not only closed the registry for ALL NFA weapons, but also didn't allow additional transfers of the ones that existed. So it passed the current owners in 1986 would have been the last people to lawfully own machine guns and other NFA items.

Not saying I'm happy about the Hughes Amendment to FOPA, but it could have been LOTS worse. I just wish we could get the "sporter clause" struck from the '68 GCA because that would fix a LOT of things.

PatrioticDisorder
07-21-18, 22:44
Not saying I'm happy about the Hughes Amendment to FOPA, but it could have been LOTS worse. I just wish we could get the "sporter clause" struck from the '68 GCA because that would fix a LOT of things.

Wouldn’t that fix basically everything? Wasn’t NFA 1934 ruled unconstitutional and considered unenforceable and “fixed” with GCA 1968 which apparently amended NFA 1934?

SteyrAUG
07-21-18, 23:35
Wouldn’t that fix basically everything? Wasn’t NFA 1934 ruled unconstitutional and considered unenforceable and “fixed” with GCA 1968 which apparently amended NFA 1934?

It would fix most things, firearms would not need to pass a "suitable for civilian (sporter) applications" test for importation or manufacture. As a result there would be no foundation for import or manufacturer bans or restrictions.

The NFA would remain in place, but it would reopen the registry. And honestly we wouldn't want to try and undo the NFA because it could have unintended consequences such as changing the registration fee from $200 to $2000 or something like that.

And honestly $1,200 for a NIB factory Colt M4 or M16A4 would still be quite a bargain. It would leave the legal registration of machine guns in place which allows politicians to honestly say "These items are already regulated by law" and that satisfies most people.

The GCA would still prevent having firearms shipped directly to your home, would keep in place a system or regulated firearms dealers (FFLs) and things that amount to "common sense" gun control in the minds of most people.

And honestly, while I'm a borderline rights absolutist, the fact that we are so negligent in removing the most violent and criminal elements of society I'd be fine with leaving things in place even with the knowledge that criminals can easily circumvent them because they are criminals.

PatrioticDisorder
07-22-18, 08:13
It would fix most things, firearms would not need to pass a "suitable for civilian (sporter) applications" test for importation or manufacture. As a result there would be no foundation for import or manufacturer bans or restrictions.

The NFA would remain in place, but it would reopen the registry. And honestly we wouldn't want to try and undo the NFA because it could have unintended consequences such as changing the registration fee from $200 to $2000 or something like that.

And honestly $1,200 for a NIB factory Colt M4 or M16A4 would still be quite a bargain. It would leave the legal registration of machine guns in place which allows politicians to honestly say "These items are already regulated by law" and that satisfies most people.

The GCA would still prevent having firearms shipped directly to your home, would keep in place a system or regulated firearms dealers (FFLs) and things that amount to "common sense" gun control in the minds of most people.

And honestly, while I'm a borderline rights absolutist, the fact that we are so negligent in removing the most violent and criminal elements of society I'd be fine with leaving things in place even with the knowledge that criminals can easily circumvent them because they are criminals.

Has the Sporter Clause never been challenged and if not why? Seems like a no brainer and goes against the precedent of United States V. Miller.

SteyrAUG
07-22-18, 16:33
Has the Sporter Clause never been challenged and if not why? Seems like a no brainer and goes against the precedent of United States V. Miller.

Not that I'm aware of and I don't know why. Should be issue number one for the NRA.