Trying to Pick a Mid Length (or rifle)

[SouthwestAviator]

Okay, so I've been fighting it, but now but I can't fight it any longer. I want to go to a mid or rifle length gas system. I never thought much about this much until the Crane test put forth hard evidence that mid length does indeed increase reliability and longevity significantly. This is for my "go-to" rifle (home defense, carbine courses, and general use). It will be shot a lot.

I currently have a Colt 6920, but am going to either:

-Sell the 6920 to get a mid length (considering Noveske Light RECCE Basic or DDM4v5)

-Keep the Colt and get the URGI (nearly) clone Upper to slap on the 6920 Lower: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/usasoc-upper-receiver-group-improved-complete-5-56-m-lok-sku100026695-114412-216104.aspx

-Find an 18" rifle gas system upper or complete rifle that would fill the home defense/general use role nicely (too long?)

-Something else that I haven't thought of that would fulfill this role the best.

The URGI "clone" hasn't been out for very long so I haven't heard of many experiences with it, but besides the handguard it seems to be just a regular (though high quality) CHF barreled mid-length 14.5" upper.

Most of the 18" rifles seem to be more geared towards 3 gun competition and are a bit too "racey" for my tastes (at least from DD), but maybe it's because I don't care for the Daniel Defense furniture, which could be easily remedied.

The complete URGI upper is around the same price point as a Noveske Basic middy complete rifle. Is there some sort of advantage of the URGI over the Noveske Basic other than the handguard that's seemingly impossible to get otherwise? The MK 16 M-LOK handguard doesn't do much for me and I like my ARs all black, but it does seem nice.

I'm considering all this primarily because I want the most reliable and long-service-life AR I can get. I know there's nothing wrong with the Colt 6920, but I'm coming to accept that I can't be satisfied when there's something "better". I bought the 6920 a couple of years ago because I was convinced there wasn't anything out there more reliable with more longevity.

Thoughts and recommendations? Thanks.

[ruckusjuice]

Shoot the 6920 as is until you wear the barrel out. When you replace the barrel, use a mid length one.


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[crosseyedshooter]

If all you want is a mid-length gas system, Colt has one in the 6960 and Brownells sells the upper for a decent price. Swap it onto your 6920 and done.

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-le6960-ccu-upper-receiver-5-56-m-lok-prod120469.aspx

[crosseyedshooter]

If all you want is a mid-length gas system, Colt has one in the 6960 and Brownells sells the upper for a decent price. Swap it onto your 6920 and done.

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-le6960-ccu-upper-receiver-5-56-m-lok-prod120469.aspx

[Coal Dragger]

OP, if you’re looking to spend some money and can’t decide between mid length and rifle length you can split the difference with a Knight’s Armament Co. SR-15 upper. They use an intermediate length gas system, the barrel is also cold hammer forged, and chrome lined. Other improvements include a revised bolt design that is extremely durable, and runs an improved extractor. The uppers ship with an excellent BUIS as well, so consider that when looking at cost.

Of course you can also buy a complete carbine from them and enjoy the fully ambidextrous lower, and good two stage match trigger for not a whole lot more money than the upper alone.

[SouthwestAviator]

If all you want is a mid-length gas system, Colt has one in the 6960 and Brownells sells the upper for a decent price. Swap it onto your 6920 and done.

I've thought about that, but:
-I'm not sure if I would want a lightweight barrel (would it last as long as a gov't profile?)
-Is there some advantage in quality, reliability, or longevity with a Daniel Defense/Noveske/URGI clone over the Colt?

[SouthwestAviator]

EDIT: I accidentally double posted

[Wolfpack45]

Keep the colt, but replace the barrel with a middy of your choosing (lots of good options out there) and add a 13.5 or 15 inch rail system and call it a day. You could get that done for $500-$600 and have some left for accessories like light/trigger/optic etc. No need to replace the upper or BCG of the colt.

[Wolfpack45]

I've thought about that, but:
-I'm not sure if I would want a lightweight barrel (would it last as long as a gov't profile?)
-Is there some advantage in quality, reliability, or longevity with a Daniel Defense/Noveske/URGI clone over the Colt?

Lightweight barrels last just as long as any other barrel, they just have different properties. They heat up quicker (and cool quicker) and while hot tend to open up groups a bit.

As far as longevity over DD or Noveske, the Colt barrel should be pretty much the same as the DD. The Noveske may outlast both given the double thickness of chrome lining in it. But this all depends on how you use it.


Do you plan on using a suppressor with this rifle? If not, take a hard look at BCM ELW profile barrels.

[Wolfpack45]

Board is being screwy, I only hit post once and it double tapped.

[SouthwestAviator]

OP, if you’re looking to spend some money and can’t decide between mid length and rifle length you can split the difference with a Knight’s Armament Co. SR-15 upper. They use an intermediate length gas system, the barrel is also cold hammer forged, and chrome lined. Other improvements include a revised bolt design that is extremely durable, and runs an improved extractor. The uppers ship with an excellent BUIS as well, so consider that when looking at cost.

Of course you can also buy a complete carbine from them and enjoy the fully ambidextrous lower, and good two stage match trigger for not a whole lot more money than the upper alone.

Hm... I'd have to save up quite a bit more for an SR15, as it's $1k+ more than the Daniel Defense and Noveske I'm looking at. It does seem like it's the absolute best of the best, though, which is what I want. Has there been any documented testing to show how much more reliable the KAC with its proprietary parts are than a DD/Noveske/similar? Generally I've wanted to stay with non-proprietary parts but... the KAC is tempting even though it would require more time to get the money on my part. I'd most definitely have to sell the Colt to fund it, and probably other guns too. I would go with the complete rifle if I went this route. Like you said, it's not that much more than just the upper.

Is the KAC SR15 indeed more reliable than other "top tier" mid or rifle length gas system offerings? Has the current model been out long enough to know for sure if it's GTG?

If I decide to go through with this, I want this to be the pinnacle of my AR collection. It won't be the last AR I buy, but I want it to be the best in terms of reliability and durability. I'm not so much concerned with accuracy as it will be a close-up general use/defensive carbine.


Do you plan on using a suppressor with this rifle? If not, take a hard look at BCM ELW profile barrels.

No, I don't plan on using a suppressor with this rifle. I'll take a look at BCM. Good to know about the LW.

[Coal Dragger]

I've thought about that, but:
-I'm not sure if I would want a lightweight barrel (would it last as long as a gov't profile?)
-Is there some advantage in quality, reliability, or longevity with a Daniel Defense/Noveske/URGI clone over the Colt?

Lightweight barrels are plenty durable, particularly cold hammer forged chrome lined examples.

http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/

As you pointed out the empirical data from Crane is in, and hammer forged barrels do in fact have a longer service life. The longer service life is particularly true with M855A1, which is evidently very hard on barrels. As someone who has no access to, or need to use M855A1 the extra durability is just a nice value added feature of a CHF barrel.

Realistically there might be some advantages in long term reliability and durability going with one of the options you listed, but your current Colt will devour tens of thousands of rounds before needing to worry about replacing anything other than some springs at normal service intervals. Consider how much $$$ in ammo you’re going to expend to actually burn out that Colt barrel, and ask yourself if you can afford a new barrel after you burned several grand worth of 5.56.

I suspect that you are over thinking this, but that is what most of us on this site are prone to doing (whether we admit it or not).

[SouthwestAviator]

I suspect that you are over thinking this, but that is what most of us on this site are prone to doing (whether we admit it or not).

Oh I definitely am overthinking this, I freely admit. The 6920 is a fine rifle. I might keep it and just use what I pick now as the next AR I buy when I'm able to, if I can be patient enough. I can't explain exactly why I want something "better," it just is what it is. However, if I knew back when I bought the 6920 what I know now (including that the She-Beast wouldn't win the White House), I might have held out for a Noveske, KAC, DD, BCM, or some other mid length or rifle length offering.

I really like the SR-15 a lot and that 20k round documented test is quite impressive, though the proprietary parts and scarcity of KAC armorers seem like potential issues, and they must provide for military needs first. But I'm pretty sure I want my next AR to have mid or rifle gas and a CHF CL barrel, just so there's no room for doubts or "could I have done better". With the recent data from Crane and the adoption of the URGI mid length uppers, I am asking myself that right now.

As I understand it, the Noveske would probably be more accurate while the SR15 would probably be more reliable. I'm not sure where DD and BCM fit into this spectrum.

[grizzman]

Yes, mid-length and rifle-gas systems put less stress on a bolt carrier group than a carbine gas system.

Unless you just want to spend money on a new barrel, I still suggest running the Colt until it wears out, then replacing it with whatever you want, years from now.

What buffer are you using in the Colt? A buffer change can smooth it out some.

[grizzlyblake]

Sounds like when someone trades in their paid for car to finance a new more fuel efficient car in order to save money.

If you're worried about your Colt breaking down you could just buy a second 6920 OEM and have duplicates of everything ready to go.

If you just want a Gucci gun buy whichever BCM, DD, or noveske you like best. There's nothing inherently wrong with just wanting to spend money on a cool toy, but sometimes the self justification is funny

[SouthwestAviator]

What buffer are you using in the Colt? A buffer change can smooth it out some.

Just the H buffer it came with. Ejection is fine. The recoil impulse isn't objectionable and that's not why I want to go to mid or rifle. I'm specifically after increased reliability and longevity. This is not to say that the Colt is deficient, it serves well and I shoot well with it. But I can't ignore that there's better out there nowadays, and there's empirical data to show it that even the military is starting to realize. I used to think mid-length was just marketing hype, but I can't argue with demonstrable evidence.

Really I think a rifle length would be great and I'd prefer it over mid length. It's certainly proven. I just don't see much out there for 18" rifles that aren't geared specifically towards "high speed low drag" race guns other than a Mk12 upper, but I'm not after tack-driving accuracy either and don't want a stainless barrel. And 20" might be a bit impractical for a home defense/general use AR. Otherwise I'd just get a Colt AR15A4 and call it a day.

[grizzlyblake]

How many rounds does it take to kill a 6920? Serious question.

[SouthwestAviator]

From the research I’ve gathered on 6920s the barrel might start losing accuracy at around 8k depending on rate of fire. Many times it’s more. The barrel can be replaced easily (or just get a new upper) and at that point I could go to a mid length. But if there’s some gain in reliability to be had in those +/- 8k rounds by going to mid length now (and as shown by Crane's testing there apparently is), it’s something that I need to consider.

[17K]

If you don't go crazy with mag dumps and train at relatively mild tempo, that Colt barrel will still be shooting fine well after 10K rounds, likely 15K or more.

The big draw to the KAC is the E3 bolt. It's better. No two ways about it. The URX4 is bomb-proof, their new gas block and tube arrangement is unequaled. It's basically a complete system that will last the life of the barrel.

I'd skip Noveske. Their barrels are nothing special and generally quite overgassed.

I've always been a big fan of BCM but the last two I had were gassers (16" ELW BFH).

[Wake27]

I've always been a big fan of BCM but the last two I had were gassers (16" ELW BFH).

Whaaaa? Never heard that before.



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[magister]

Sounds like you’re set on picking up a mid length. Nothing wrong with that or with you wanting a spare rifle. Odds are most on this site have more than a few. My suggestion would be to hang on to the 6920 you have at present and start saving toward the mid length of your choice. You’re adequately served now, everyone needs a spare, and why not save until you can have what you really want? You’ll not go without a rifle and will end up with two good ones by the time it’s all said and done. Win, win.

[Coal Dragger]

If you’re not shooting M855A1, then you are overrating the durability gains.

[odugrad]

I feel like this is a duplicate thread from another poster.

[SouthwestAviator]

If you don't go crazy with mag dumps and train at relatively mild tempo, that Colt barrel will still be shooting fine well after 10K rounds, likely 15K or more.

It's not the barrel life I'm so much concerned about now as it is the increased reliability with a mid or rifle length.


I'd skip Noveske. Their barrels are nothing special and generally quite overgassed.

I've always been a big fan of BCM but the last two I had were gassers (16" ELW BFH)

See, now that's exactly what I'm concerned about. An oversized gas port would minimize or eliminate any advantage of going mid length. I've stayed with the Colt carbine gas because it's a strictly mil spec gas port, not widened out so commercial buyers can use underpowered ammo in it. But now even Colt has a mid length, and of course they still have the 20" rifle length.

What about 20" rifles? Are they impractical for a home defense weapon? There's people with 18-20" barreled shotguns that consider it maneuverable enough, but I've also heard how much of a PITA it is to move an M16A4 around indoors.


The big draw to the KAC is the E3 bolt. It's better. No two ways about it. The URX4 is bomb-proof, their new gas block and tube arrangement is unequaled. It's basically a complete system that will last the life of the barrel.

The improved system (particularly the bolt) is what has me interested in the KAC. It's also what drives concerns with so much of it being proprietary and depending on one single company to produce the parts that are compatible with it. Chances are the parts would last the life of the rifle, but it's not impossible that something would break if it's run hard enough and long enough.

I also wonder how a 20" rifle compares to the reliability of the KAC design. I assume the KAC edges out there as well? It's got a nearly rifle length gas system anyway.


Sounds like you’re set on picking up a mid length. Nothing wrong with that or with you wanting a spare rifle. Odds are most on this site have more than a few. My suggestion would be to hang on to the 6920 you have at present and start saving toward the mid length of your choice. You’re adequately served now, everyone needs a spare, and why not save until you can have what you really want? You’ll not go without a rifle and will end up with two good ones by the time it’s all said and done. Win, win.


This is probably what I'll end up doing. That or buying a mid length upper and keeping the 6920 upper as a spare.

[17K]

I don't know about KAC vs 20" Colt reliability, but both are going to be insane on semi-auto.

The 6920 is supremely reliable as-is and there are a LOT of them out there in service.

I went with a Daniel Defense 16" mid barrel on my last builds and they're great barrels. Softer shooting than the BCM barrels they replaced with a flash hider vs the BCM comp, eject more consistently to 3:30-4:00 vs 1:00-2:00 and are solid 1MOA shooters. They're pushing VLTOR A5 kits and run like tops.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

Okay, so I've been fighting it, but now but I can't fight it any longer. I want to go to a mid or rifle length gas system. I never thought much about this much until the Crane test put forth hard evidence that mid length does indeed increase reliability and longevity significantly. This is for my "go-to" rifle (home defense, carbine courses, and general use). It will be shot a lot.

I currently have a Colt 6920, but am going to either:

-Sell the 6920 to get a mid length (considering Noveske Light RECCE Basic or DDM4v5)

-Keep the Colt and get the URGI (nearly) clone Upper to slap on the 6920 Lower: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/usasoc-upper-receiver-group-improved-complete-5-56-m-lok-sku100026695-114412-216104.aspx

-Find an 18" rifle gas system upper or complete rifle that would fill the home defense/general use role nicely (too long?)

-Something else that I haven't thought of that would fulfill this role the best.

The URGI "clone" hasn't been out for very long so I haven't heard of many experiences with it, but besides the handguard it seems to be just a regular (though high quality) CHF barreled mid-length 14.5" upper.

Most of the 18" rifles seem to be more geared towards 3 gun competition and are a bit too "racey" for my tastes (at least from DD), but maybe it's because I don't care for the Daniel Defense furniture, which could be easily remedied.

The complete URGI upper is around the same price point as a Noveske Basic middy complete rifle. Is there some sort of advantage of the URGI over the Noveske Basic other than the handguard that's seemingly impossible to get otherwise? The MK 16 M-LOK handguard doesn't do much for me and I like my ARs all black, but it does seem nice.

I'm considering all this primarily because I want the most reliable and long-service-life AR I can get. I know there's nothing wrong with the Colt 6920, but I'm coming to accept that I can't be satisfied when there's something "better". I bought the 6920 a couple of years ago because I was convinced there wasn't anything out there more reliable with more longevity.

Thoughts and recommendations? Thanks.



I've thought about that, but:
-I'm not sure if I would want a lightweight barrel (would it last as long as a gov't profile?)
-Is there some advantage in quality, reliability, or longevity with a Daniel Defense/Noveske/URGI clone over the Colt?


You’re being severely autistic. I’ll try and address what I can. Stop reading so much www.m4cpap.com and go shoot some more.

Here’s my thots....

- Shoot your 6920 until the barrel is toast, then re barrel it along with a new bolt.

- in the amount of time it takes you to shoot out a factory 6920 barrel you will have become a significantly better shooter and you’ll be much more familiar with what you actually need.

- a government barrel is a LW profile behind the gas block. Barrel life depends far more on firing schedule than profile. On a semi auto rifle it’s almost a totally moot point.

- after you shoot out your 6920 barrel and re barrel it, keep it. If you want more rifle then buy an SR-15. Now you’ll have two rifles. One for you and one off a backup or a little ethnic child soldier. Your pick.

- I have a lot of trigger time behind an SR-15. I’m a big believer in the product. I think along side the HK 416 series rifles it’s the best built, most well product developed and improved AR pattern rifle in existence. You’re not going to build a better rifle. It brings to the table some stuff no other manufacturer offers, and all you need is to add a WML and an optic. The proprietary parts argument is not one of any validity. The only proprietary parts are the gas block, gas tube and bolt. I don’t know of anyone who’s ever broken an SR-15 bolt, but If you do, you can use a standard AR bolt instead. I’ve never seen a gas tube or gas block break either. Also, KAC sells spare bolts... so if you’re really that concerned about your bolt breaking mid Post Amerika endarkening... buy a spare one and shove it in the grip; but with a 20k round life expectancy, you’ll probably be pile of bones and hair before your bolt dies.

- All that being said.... If you don’t have the disposable income to buy an SR-15 and feed it, then just feed your 6920. The SR-15 may be the best high end AR-15 money can buy, but the Colt 6920 is the best basic AR-15 money can buy. The 6920 is an exceedingly reliable weapon. Don’t forget, the rifle you currently own has turned a lot of people into fertilizer, and is doing it right now.

- go squat heavy and then shoot your rifle.


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[Achilles11B]

I’ve cleared many rooms with a 20” M16, and I’m willing to bet there’s more than a few others here that can say the same. I think your 6920 is a better tool for that job, with either a carbine- or mid-length upper.

[MegademiC]

Shoot the 6920 as is until you wear the barrel out. When you replace the barrel, use a mid length one.


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This. The only reason to get longevity is for cost. Are you really going to make up the price difference?
Did the crane testing specify gas pirt size? What size are the two barrels you are comparing?

Edit: agree with the overall tone of Mr. Goodtimes post- dont have time on KAC myself.
Big picture=shoot / train with what you have, and save up for what you want later. Standard colt rifles are - in general- very reliable IME. Keeping what you have is likely the most reliable and cost effective solution.

[sinister]

Buy a hammer-forged (from your other thread) mid-length barrel and either plastic handguards or a rail. Swap parts on your upper. Sell your carbine barrel and parts. Stop waffling. Be happy.

[noonesshowmonkey]

You’re being severely autistic. I’ll try and address what I can. Stop reading so much www.m4cpap.com and go shoot some more.

Here’s my thots....

...

- go squat heavy and then shoot your rifle.

This. A 6920 requires essentially zero improvements beyond an optic, and a WML & sling mounted to a magpul fore end. Don't over think this crap. Mid-length is a better operating system, but that's a consideration that one makes when starting fresh. You made your bed, and it's a good bed.

OR


Buy a hammer-forged (from your other thread) mid-length barrel and either plastic handguards or a rail. Swap parts on your upper. Sell your carbine barrel and parts. Stop waffling. Be happy.

This is America. (Look what you whippin' now.)

Either shit or get off the pot. If you want a midlength system (and they are superior, if only incrementally), I'd go the route of a complete mid length upper versus sinister's more labor intensive route. Sell that Colt 6920 upper for a few hundie, and then spend that on a 6960 or other mid length upper and be done with it.

Then, go back to squatting heavy and shooting your rifle.

[MistWolf]

Okay, so I've been fighting it, but now but I can't fight it any longer. I want to go to a mid or rifle length gas system. I never thought much about this much until the Crane test put forth hard evidence that mid length does indeed increase reliability and longevity significantly. This is for my "go-to" rifle (home defense, carbine courses, and general use). It will be shot a lot.

I currently have a Colt 6920, but am going to either:

-Sell the 6920 to get a mid length (considering Noveske Light RECCE Basic or DDM4v5)

-Keep the Colt and get the URGI (nearly) clone Upper to slap on the 6920 Lower: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/usasoc-upper-receiver-group-improved-complete-5-56-m-lok-sku100026695-114412-216104.aspx

-Find an 18" rifle gas system upper or complete rifle that would fill the home defense/general use role nicely (too long?)

-Something else that I haven't thought of that would fulfill this role the best.

The URGI "clone" hasn't been out for very long so I haven't heard of many experiences with it, but besides the handguard it seems to be just a regular (though high quality) CHF barreled mid-length 14.5" upper.

Most of the 18" rifles seem to be more geared towards 3 gun competition and are a bit too "racey" for my tastes (at least from DD), but maybe it's because I don't care for the Daniel Defense furniture, which could be easily remedied.

The complete URGI upper is around the same price point as a Noveske Basic middy complete rifle. Is there some sort of advantage of the URGI over the Noveske Basic other than the handguard that's seemingly impossible to get otherwise? The MK 16 M-LOK handguard doesn't do much for me and I like my ARs all black, but it does seem nice.

I'm considering all this primarily because I want the most reliable and long-service-life AR I can get. I know there's nothing wrong with the Colt 6920, but I'm coming to accept that I can't be satisfied when there's something "better". I bought the 6920 a couple of years ago because I was convinced there wasn't anything out there more reliable with more longevity.

Thoughts and recommendations? Thanks.

I will add my voice to the "just shoot it 'till it keyholes" contingent. 6920s are very reliable and durable. Just switch to the longer Slimline handguard and pretend it's a middy until the barrel wears out.

If you're determined to spend money, get the Colt 6960 CCU upper from Brownell's, or get a complete 6960.

Or, you can do what I did. Swap the 6920 barrel for a Colt SOCOM 14.5" barrel pinned it to legal length. It's more involved but the results have been very satisfying.

Whatever you do, get out of the Analysis Paralysis, make a choice and follow it through.

[voiceofreason]

You got a reliable gun already. If you’re still worried about reliability, buy a second gun as backup and carry a pistol as well as the carbine.

The weak link is not the gun or choice of guns. It’s likely your skill set.

Learn, train, shoot, keep improving.

Inside 50 yards, guys that are good with pistols will beat guys that don’t practice with their ARs

[SouthwestAviator]

I think I’m gonna go with the 6960 upper and then save up for a KAC. I will keep the 6920 upper to have on hand. Thanks for everyone’s input.

[grizzman]

That's a solid decision.

[kenny256]

I think I’m gonna go with the 6960 upper and then save up for a KAC. I will keep the 6920 upper to have on hand. Thanks for everyone’s input.A good choice. I have several ar's two carbine and two midlength. I love them all for very different reasons, I also just enjoy having them.

This option gives access to what you want now, in a very useable way.

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[Coal Dragger]

I think I’m gonna go with the 6960 upper and then save up for a KAC. I will keep the 6920 upper to have on hand. Thanks for everyone’s input.

Good plan.

You’re going to love the SR-15 once you get it. Mine is quickly becoming my favorite carbine. Had it out the other day, wearing a 1-4x24 Nightforce, running 69gr Federal Gold Medal got first round hits (plus 100% subsequent hits on target) at 432 yards, and 552 yards (measured with a Leica LRF1600b). Hard to complain about a lightweight carbine with a hammer forged chrome lined barrel that turns in those kinds of results.

Frankly the other 3 I have are on the chopping block, I’d just as soon have another SR-15.

In the meantime I’m literally in the gym right now, in between sets of heavy (for me) squats. Mrgoodtimes has good advice you!

[SouthwestAviator]

Good plan.

You’re going to love the SR-15 once you get it. Mine is quickly becoming my favorite carbine. Had it out the other day, wearing a 1-4x24 Nightforce, running 69gr Federal Gold Medal got first round hits (plus 100% subsequent hits on target) at 432 yards, and 552 yards (measured with a Leica LRF1600b). Hard to complain about a lightweight carbine with a hammer forged chrome lined barrel that turns in those kinds of results.

Frankly the other 3 I have are on the chopping block, I’d just as soon have another SR-15.

In the meantime I’m literally in the gym right now, in between sets of heavy (for me) squats. Mrgoodtimes has good advice you!

What a coincidence, I'm about to hit the gym for some heavy (probably not by Mrgoodtimes standards) squats before my flight.

Man I really want an SR15, I've already stuffed $1k in a marked envelope for one. The next $1.5k might not come as quickly. Gotta have patience. Hopefully the political situation doesn't change before I've procured at least one SR15. In the meantime, I've got a 6960 upper on the way that needs shooting.

[Korgs130]

SWA,

Have you taken a carbine class? If you haven’t, take that money you’ve got set aside for the SR15 and get to a class. You won’t regret it. After some training you’ll have a much better idea of what works for you and you’ll end up getting more out of your range time with your SR15 when you do get it. I’m a big supporter of getting what ever gun you want. That is definitely part of the fun of shooting. While I consider what I’ve spent on my BCM and Noveske carbines to be money well spent, the best thing I’ve spent my money on has been training. That training has been invaluable. I was exactly where you are now about 8 years. Just my $0.02.

Korgs

[AKDoug]

SWA,

Have you taken a carbine class? If you haven’t, take that money you’ve got set aside for the SR15 and get to a class. You won’t regret it. After some training you’ll have a much better idea of what works for you and you’ll end up getting more out of your range time with your SR15 when you do get it. I’m a big supporter of getting what ever gun you want. That is definitely part of the fun of shooting. While I consider what I’ve spent on my BCM and Noveske carbines to be money well spent, the best thing I’ve spent my money on has been training. That training has been invaluable. I was exactly where you are now about 8 years. Just my $0.02.

Korgs

Training and ammo.. rinse.. repeat.