View Full Version : I went over to my neighbors house tonight
First of all, I cant tell you who it is or where this house is other than its located in North Dallas. The house is blacked out on Google Earth. I was invited along with a few other neighbors to listen to a proposal on zoning. I wasn't able to take that many photos and out of the ones I took, his 12 man security team asked me kindly to delete them. This house is 58,000 square feet, has a 13,000 square foot quest house and a 8,500 square foot pool house. The house sits on 25 acres in the heart of North Dallas in a neighbor hood called Preston Hollow. The house is 4 floors, has a 4,500 square foot reinforced bunker, a 100 yard underground rifle range, 65 seat movie theater with (2) Christie IMAX projectors, additional 25 seat theater in bunker. Has 55 car subterranean garage as well as a 12 car garage attached to house. The pool house, guest house and main house are all connected via an underground tunnel which leads to a helipad and somewhere that is classified. This paticualr person collects cars and has 38 Lamborghinis, 27 Ferraris, 20+ Porches and drives an armored Rolls Royce daily. The original owner for the last 20 years has been Tom Hicks, he sold the house to Andy Beal (Trumps Economic Advisor) for $120Million, Andy purchased all the available houses that shared property lines except for one, bull dozed and expanded land from 25 acres to an un-verified amount of acreage. Andy sold it to an anonymous buyer for $160million (presumably). This new buyer is "big time" from what we were told. But for security reasons, the identity had to remain secret. The meeting I went to was about the new owner wanting to build an underground tunnel from the main house to Denton (35 miles away). And the new owner needed 50% +1 to get approval. Some have speculated that the new owner may be our President considering that President George Bush live in the only remaining house that shares property lines. This part of the neighborhood already has a pretty big secret service detail as well as private security because of other who live here (Ross Perot, Mark Cuban, Jerry Jones, etc.) I have a few other photos but I though I would share these.
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Lamborghini collection #1
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View from the pool
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Lamborghini collection #2
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one of many security rooms
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underground bunker, this hallway is 700' long.
This is the underground theater, 65 seats
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these are IMAX projectors
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donlapalma
08-25-18, 23:05
My neighbor drives a Chevy Malibu and only has one. I think it's a rental actually. Top THAT!!!
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Corner of Walnut Hill Land and Dallas North Tollway.. right? Visible from Google Earth AND info easily searched for on Google.
35 mile tunnel? Seriously? You do realize that would one of the world's longest tunnels and nothing like it has ever been attempted in an urban area.
Corner of Walnut Hill Land and Dallas North Tollway.. right? Visible from Google Earth AND info easily searched for on Google.
35 mile tunnel? Seriously? You do realize that would one of the world's longest tunnels and nothing like it has ever been attempted in an urban area.
The house is visible but since I have been here, I can say for a fact that the photo has been spliced and stitched back together leaving a lot of the property "unseen". The helipad, hangar and most of the backyard in not seen in google earth. There is info on the house, it was for sale publicly without much photos of the inside.
The house was built on 3 acres in 1919, the (50,000+ Sq./Ft. underground bunker was built by the City of Dallas in 1961 or 62 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Tom hicks bought the house and the 22 acres from the City of Dallas and made the original bunker a part of his home. I think that is why he chose to build the guest home and pool house where he did. Most of it was used for the underground garage and the rest was built out as a bunker for a billionaire complete with theater, wine cellar, shooting range, storage. From what I found out, a tunnel of some great length already exist but is not disclosed, from what we gathered the tunnel is roughly 11 miles. The tunnel was built before the toll road was built and before most of the roads in that time. However, we do know that the tunnel was built originally built by and oil & gas company to supply fuel/water in case of a Soviet Attack. The tunnel is roughly 9' high and 7' wide and approx. 40 feet below ground.
All that AND he gets to bang Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
Man I wish I had been born with millions of dollars. That is if it is actually Trump which has neither been confirmed or denied. If I was in your shoes, I'd make sure people knew my vote is for sale and a weekend getaway with Stormy would probably do it.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-26-18, 01:56
Corner of Walnut Hill Land and Dallas North Tollway.. right? Visible from Google Earth AND info easily searched for on Google.
35 mile tunnel? Seriously? You do realize that would one of the world's longest tunnels and nothing like it has ever been attempted in an urban area.
Ask the Russians, bet they have a few around Moscow.....
Not the Clinton’s or the Elephant might be shot.... Can’t be happy you are so chatty.
Ask the Russians, bet they have a few around Moscow.....
Not the Clinton’s or the Elephant might be shot.... Can’t be happy you are so chatty.
😂 truth!
Whiskey_Bravo
08-26-18, 05:08
Corner of Walnut Hill Land and Dallas North Tollway.. right? Visible from Google Earth AND info easily searched for on Google.
35 mile tunnel? Seriously? You do realize that would one of the world's longest tunnels and nothing like it has ever been attempted in an urban area.
Not sure I believe somebody is building a 35 mile tunnel to Denton but there are multiple cities all around the world with miles and miles of tunnels underneath them. Subways.
Not sure I understand this scenario though, to build a 35 mile tunnel that would go under several cities , multiple counties, and interstates all this dude needs is 51% HOA approval? Seems legit.
"Andy sold it to an anonymous buyer for $160million"
I don't know where your numbers came from but 160 million is a fire sale price for a property like that!!
SomeOtherGuy
08-26-18, 09:51
Seems like the same house is listed for sale at $38.5M:
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5619-Walnut-Hill-Ln-Dallas-TX-75229/26757825_zpid/?fullpage=true
The view of the front facade and the swimming pool look like the identical house. Anything else I can't tell.
The house is visible but since I have been here, I can say for a fact that the photo has been spliced and stitched back together leaving a lot of the property "unseen". The helipad, hangar and most of the backyard in not seen in google earth. There is info on the house, it was for sale publicly without much photos of the inside.
The house was built on 3 acres in 1919, the (50,000+ Sq./Ft. underground bunker was built by the City of Dallas in 1961 or 62 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Tom hicks bought the house and the 22 acres from the City of Dallas and made the original bunker a part of his home. I think that is why he chose to build the guest home and pool house where he did. Most of it was used for the underground garage and the rest was built out as a bunker for a billionaire complete with theater, wine cellar, shooting range, storage. From what I found out, a tunnel of some great length already exist but is not disclosed, from what we gathered the tunnel is roughly 11 miles. The tunnel was built before the toll road was built and before most of the roads in that time. However, we do know that the tunnel was built originally built by and oil & gas company to supply fuel/water in case of a Soviet Attack. The tunnel is roughly 9' high and 7' wide and approx. 40 feet below ground.
It's not cut and stitched. It's just a view from 2017. If they completed more work, cool. Google maps uses a view from around 2013 before they cut all the trees between the pool and house, replacing them with those hedges. It's interesting to go visit houses like that. My grandfather was a painter in SoCal. He did a ton of work in Beverly Hills, which granted him (and me at times) access to some very big and beautiful homes.
Funny fact, I did a search on Google for "dallas underground bunker walnut hill" and this very thread is number 6 on the first page of results.. they're watching us...
The_War_Wagon
08-26-18, 11:34
I'd make sure people knew my vote is for sale and a weekend getaway with Stormy would probably do it.
Dude... you should be able to land someone at LEAST 40 years younger than THAT! :bad:
Seems like the same house is listed for sale at $38.5M:
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5619-Walnut-Hill-Ln-Dallas-TX-75229/26757825_zpid/?fullpage=true
The view of the front facade and the swimming pool look like the identical house. Anything else I can't tell.Gotta love Zillow... Their estimate is $14.5M. such a deal.
Also they helpfully told me the payment would only be $225k/mth without me even asking.
Gotta love Zillow... Their estimate is $14.5M. such a deal.
Also they helpfully told me the payment would only be $225k/mth without me even asking.
I'm surprised it's on the market again so quickly. Mehrdad Moayedi bought it at the first of the year and is planning to split the property up and rebuild houses along Walnut Ln. for a development. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/New-Owner-Has-Big-Plans-for-Estate-Once-Owned-By-Tom-Hicks-473870073.html
The original price was over $140 million and was not in MLS. And then it was listed by another firm for $100 million. The sale price is not public. Judging by how all of the cars that are in this collection are within 5 years old, tells me the new buyer is "new money" which eliminates a lot of billionaires from Dallas. I did a little research and it looked like a group bought the house is owned by this guy https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-ceo/2015/november/mehrdad-moayedi-centurion-american-statler-hotel-redevelopment/. He was trying to split the property up and develop the 25 acres but some people said that the city wouldn't allow it. Don't know the details as this is all rumors.
There been a lot of rumors over the years. Some people have said that this was originally a Titan II missile site, other had said it was a Nike missile site. It is known that the City of Dallas built the original bunker and tunnel back in the 1960's. Who knows the real details. People have also suggested Bush chose his house to be in close proximity to this house- who knows. When we moved in in 2011, no one really said anything except that Tom Hicks lived there and next door was Gene Phillips. Tom hicks is big in Dallas because he owns Dr Pepper, Texas Rangers and Dallas Stars (I don't know if he still does). But regardless, it was a pretty cool house.
One of the coolest house in Dallas in down Walnut Hill and has its own water park in the back yard https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10711-Strait-Ln-Dallas-TX-75229/80510797_zpid/
One of the coolest house in Dallas in down Walnut Hill and has its own water park in the back yard https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10711-Strait-Ln-Dallas-TX-75229/80510797_zpid/
That's a much better deal, and Zillow tells me my monthly payment would be just $95k. Let me go talk to my wife.
Bunkers notwithstanding, I'm pretty sceptical the government would site missile sites on a wealthy count's mansion or even adjacent lots. There is no reason for titan ICBMs to be in built up areas. Hawks and Nike's maybe. But they'd still need more room/access than wealthy owners would allow.
As a kid there was a Hawk missile base in S Miami we got to tour. (Cuban missile crisis / cold war and all that) Was pretty neat but was also very obvious it was a base and had permanent mil presence. Same for the Nike sites I've seen.
All that AND he gets to bang Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
Man I wish I had been born with millions of dollars. That is if it is actually Trump which has neither been confirmed or denied. If I was in your shoes, I'd make sure people knew my vote is for sale and a weekend getaway with Stormy would probably do it.
i am so confused by this post.
I'm surprised it's on the market again so quickly. Mehrdad Moayedi bought it at the first of the year and is planning to split the property up and rebuild houses along Walnut Ln. for a development. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/New-Owner-Has-Big-Plans-for-Estate-Once-Owned-By-Tom-Hicks-473870073.html
That's a much better deal, and Zillow tells me my monthly payment would be just $95k. Let me go talk to my wife.
Bunkers notwithstanding, I'm pretty sceptical the government would site missile sites on a wealthy count's mansion or even adjacent lots. There is no reason for titan ICBMs to be in built up areas. Hawks and Nike's maybe. But they'd still need more room/access than wealthy owners would allow.
As a kid there was a Hawk missile base in S Miami we got to tour. (Cuban missile crisis / cold war and all that) Was pretty neat but was also very obvious it was a base and had permanent mil presence. Same for the Nike sites I've seen.
The government actually does sell old missile silos to the public as well as government land used for Nike Hercules/Ajax missiles. You have to remember, when this house was built it was built far away from Dallas, now days everything is in that area. The house was built on just a couple of acres and Dallas built there bunker on a different site and Tom Hick purchased both sites and made into one estate. No one really knows for sure about the actual use of the land, its all speculation and rumors.
I grew up in South Dallas in Desoto and there are several abandoned military bases http://www.airfields-freeman.com/TX/Airfields_TX_Dallas_S.htm in the Southern part of Dallas as well as Far Far North part up by highway 77 and highway 380
For whatever reason, during WW2 and Cold War up to about 1970, Dallas and the surrounding areas were strategic. In cedar Hill, DOD built a bunch of towers that are were used by broadcast stations like CBS, NBC, ABC.https://cedarhilltx.com/1725/Towers but were thought to have been originally built as a massive communication network. Another radar defense site as well as Nike site right in Duncanville Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncanville_Air_Force_Station now defunct. Here are some pics I took a long time ago in Cedar Hill, this was a military space observation and surveillance operation in the 1950s, now used mainly by Spectrum/DirectTV/AT&T etc.
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But Dallas/Ft Worth had several major air bases, Carswell, Hensley, Lou Foote, Love Field and home to several government contractors. The F-22, F-35, B-58, B-36, B-24, F-4U, F-111, F-8, A-7 were all built in Dallas/Ft Worth, we are also home to Texas Instruments, Raytheon, Honeywell, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and most of the 500-2000lb bombs are built in Garland, the JDAM packages are built in Richardson and the laser targeting pods used on most aircraft are manufactured in Plano. I don't know why Dallas was chosen except for maybe the land was cheap and taxes were low. Up to about the late 1980s you could still hear the sonic boom a couple times a week and then most of the surrounding areas outside of Dallas started becoming developed.
SilverBullet432
08-26-18, 17:09
The actual f*ck is going on in here?
I’m very confused, it is a lovely house, and the cars are nice..
titsonritz
08-26-18, 17:45
Who gives a shit?
Dude... you should be able to land someone at LEAST 40 years younger than THAT! :bad:
She's currently 39 years old.
The actual f*ck is going on in here?
I’m very confused, it is a lovely house, and the cars are nice..
Who really gives a rat's ass? Do you really think the OP was invited to a supposedly ultra secure compound to weigh in on a zoning issue and allowed to take pictures?? Smells alot like BS to me. I was once invited to bid on a project for high profile individual. Security clearance was conducted by the feds for everyone attending the pre bid on site meeting. No electronic devices were allowed on the site. If you needed pictures they took them with their cameras and forwarded them to you. I was escorted by 2 jack booted thugs sporting MP5s whose forearms were bigger than my thighs! In the end I declined the invitation to bid. Not enough juice for the squeeze.
What a great friend! I’m sure they’d be stoked to have you posting those pictures online.
The_War_Wagon
08-26-18, 22:23
She's currently 39 years old.
:eek::eek::help:
https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.9cUNZrM0-qPOVIpfUJFlLgHaFj&w=256&h=192&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7
That is a ROUGH 39!!! I was guessing "61." :blink:
titsonritz
08-26-18, 22:38
:eek::eek::help:
https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.9cUNZrM0-qPOVIpfUJFlLgHaFj&w=256&h=192&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7
That is a ROUGH 39!!! I was guessing "61." :blink:
Might have something to do with lifestyle.
:eek::eek::help:
https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.9cUNZrM0-qPOVIpfUJFlLgHaFj&w=256&h=192&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7
That is a ROUGH 39!!! I was guessing "61." :blink:
She's looked better. That's a booking photo. When I met her at an Exxxotica show about 10 years ago she looked very different.
A very astute observation if I might add. In other news Captain Obvious lent me his unlimited Hotels.com card for my upcoming classes.
Who gives a shit?
Sounds intriguing and somewhat mysterious. I was expecting some sort of conspiracy type dog and pony show in this thread but I guess not. Why would a 35 mile from the property to Denton be needed? Interesting if not total bovine excrement.
Adrenaline_6
08-27-18, 09:33
First of all, I cant tell you who it is or where this house is other than its located in North Dallas. The house is blacked out on Google Earth. I was invited along with a few other neighbors to listen to a proposal on zoning. I wasn't able to take that many photos and out of the ones I took, his 12 man security team asked me kindly to delete them. This house is 58,000 square feet, has a 13,000 square foot quest house and a 8,500 square foot pool house. The house sits on 25 acres in the heart of North Dallas in a neighbor hood called Preston Hollow. The house is 4 floors, has a 4,500 square foot reinforced bunker, a 100 yard underground rifle range, 65 seat movie theater with (2) Christie IMAX projectors, additional 25 seat theater in bunker. Has 55 car subterranean garage as well as a 12 car garage attached to house. The pool house, guest house and main house are all connected via an underground tunnel which leads to a helipad and somewhere that is classified. This paticualr person collects cars and has 38 Lamborghinis, 27 Ferraris, 20+ Porches and drives an armored Rolls Royce daily. The original owner for the last 20 years has been Tom Hicks, he sold the house to Andy Beal (Trumps Economic Advisor) for $120Million, Andy purchased all the available houses that shared property lines except for one, bull dozed and expanded land from 25 acres to an un-verified amount of acreage. Andy sold it to an anonymous buyer for $160million (presumably). This new buyer is "big time" from what we were told. But for security reasons, the identity had to remain secret. The meeting I went to was about the new owner wanting to build an underground tunnel from the main house to Denton (35 miles away). And the new owner needed 50% +1 to get approval. Some have speculated that the new owner may be our President considering that President George Bush live in the only remaining house that shares property lines. This part of the neighborhood already has a pretty big secret service detail as well as private security because of other who live here (Ross Perot, Mark Cuban, Jerry Jones, etc.) I have a few other photos but I though I would share these.
You mean this house on Google Earth?
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Why would a 35 mile from the property to Denton be needed?
To get out of the city without without being held up by gridlocked traffic?
Whiskey_Bravo
08-27-18, 10:23
Seems like a helicopter would be cheaper, faster, and easier than building basically a private subway 35 miles from Dallas through multiple counties and cities all the way to Denton.
You mean this house on Google Earth?
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If I was smart enough to post a photo I would have.. :D There are entire web pages dedicated to this house.
wetidlerjr
08-27-18, 12:36
I thought it was August not April. :blink:
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-27-18, 13:06
Might have something to do with lifestyle.
It's not the years, it's the miles.... of dicks.
The troll is strong with this thread.
ClearedHot
08-27-18, 13:33
The troll is strong with this thread.
The OP is known for his humblebrag posts.
You mean this house on Google Earth?
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yes but over to the left, it shows a lot of trees that are not there.
I was just wanting the share photos of the house along with some of the features I though you all would be interested in. I gave a little background and info to give you an idea why I was there. I wasn't invited to hang out. I was there for like 30 minutes listening to a guy give a prestation on the future amenities. I just thought you all would think it was cool that a guy had a huge underground bunker and big house with a big car collection. I do know that parts of this house for whatever reason are not disclosed and parts of the backyard are not seen on google earth. George bush lives behind this house and I know that there is a strict no fly zone around my neighborhood, you can fly over but now lower than 500 feet. The zoning matters had to do mostly with adding an additional road and a separate entrance off that road. Most of the stuff I know comes from neighbors that "heard" something from someone else. Though I live in this neighborhood, I live in a section 8 hud home compared to these people. I know some of you don't care, but its not every day that you see stuff like this. Or see something first hand that have only been discussed by rumors.
MountainRaven
08-27-18, 14:06
The OP is known for his humblebrag posts filled with baseless BS.
FIFY.
Moose-Knuckle
08-27-18, 16:05
First of all, I cant tell you who it is or where this house is other than its located in North Dallas. The house is blacked out on Google Earth. I was invited along with a few other neighbors to listen to a proposal on zoning. I wasn't able to take that many photos and out of the ones I took, his 12 man security team asked me kindly to delete them. This house is 58,000 square feet, has a 13,000 square foot quest house and a 8,500 square foot pool house. The house sits on 25 acres in the heart of North Dallas in a neighbor hood called Preston Hollow. The house is 4 floors, has a 4,500 square foot reinforced bunker, a 100 yard underground rifle range, 65 seat movie theater with (2) Christie IMAX projectors, additional 25 seat theater in bunker. Has 55 car subterranean garage as well as a 12 car garage attached to house. The pool house, guest house and main house are all connected via an underground tunnel which leads to a helipad and somewhere that is classified. This paticualr person collects cars and has 38 Lamborghinis, 27 Ferraris, 20+ Porches and drives an armored Rolls Royce daily. The original owner for the last 20 years has been Tom Hicks, he sold the house to Andy Beal (Trumps Economic Advisor) for $120Million, Andy purchased all the available houses that shared property lines except for one, bull dozed and expanded land from 25 acres to an un-verified amount of acreage. Andy sold it to an anonymous buyer for $160million (presumably). This new buyer is "big time" from what we were told. But for security reasons, the identity had to remain secret. The meeting I went to was about the new owner wanting to build an underground tunnel from the main house to Denton (35 miles away). And the new owner needed 50% +1 to get approval. Some have speculated that the new owner may be our President considering that President George Bush live in the only remaining house that shares property lines. This part of the neighborhood already has a pretty big secret service detail as well as private security because of other who live here (Ross Perot, Mark Cuban, Jerry Jones, etc.) I have a few other photos but I though I would share these.
Lamborghini collection #1
View from the pool
Lamborghini collection #2
one of many security rooms
underground bunker, this hallway is 700' long.
Not very good security if they are allowing people to access control rooms and take photos.
Amazon is still looking at Dallas for a corporate headquarters, sounds more like Jeff Bezos's style than Trump's.
35 mile tunnel? Seriously? You do realize that would one of the world's longest tunnels and nothing like it has ever been attempted in an urban area.
One of Elon Musk's side hustles dig deep long tunnels.
Check out TMB's (thermonuclear boring machines), Subterrenes, D.U.M.B.'s, et al.
Moose-Knuckle
08-27-18, 16:27
For whatever reason, during WW2 and Cold War up to about 1970, Dallas and the surrounding areas were strategic.
You answered your own question below.
But Dallas/Ft Worth ... home to several government contractors. The F-22, F-35, B-58, B-36, B-24, F-4U, F-111, F-8, A-7 were all built in Dallas/Ft Worth, we are also home to Texas Instruments, Raytheon, Honeywell, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and most of the 500-2000lb bombs are built in Garland, the JDAM packages are built in Richardson and the laser targeting pods used on most aircraft are manufactured in Plano. I don't know why Dallas was chosen except for maybe the land was cheap and taxes were low. Up to about the late 1980s you could still hear the sonic boom a couple times a week and then most of the surrounding areas outside of Dallas started becoming developed.
Defense aerospace has been a thing in N TX since the end of WWII. The bombers for the now decommissioned Strategic Air Command rolled off the longest assembly line in the world in Convair's Fort Worth plant. DFW had/has a big fat target on it from the Russkies for this reason alone. See the old Cold War nuke target maps that are declassified.
After the war both my grandfather's moved here from other states to work for Bell Helicopter and Convair, my parents met essentially because the Cold War lol. I've had uncles and ex-wife's family that worked locally at Bell Helicopter, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and Raytheon.
The OP is known for his humblebrag posts.
I didn't know I was known for anything. No one on this forum knows me, has ever met me, seen me or even knows my real name. If I was bragging, or humble bragging as you put it, wouldn't it be better for me to associate my name or face? Who am I bringing attention to, me? Or someone known to you as "Elephant". Elephant is NOT my real name or my true identity, its just my favorite animal and Moose Knuckle was already taken. So I mentioned that I owned an airplane in one post, because the topic was about airplanes. I was trying to contribute to an already existing conversation, I wasn't trying to humble brag about it. I don't see a 1977 King Air with 11,500 hours worth bragging about, perhaps if I had a Bombardier Global 7000, Gulfstream V or Falcon 900 I might be tempted to boast a little. So I uploaded some photos of some cars I have owned because the topic was about cars and I don't own any restored muscle cars, I had a couple of cars and I was trying to contribute to an already existing conversation. So I talk about our company which as since been sold. I talked about it because I have a background in large scale manufacturing, machining, engineering and fabrication and it is something that is interesting to me. In my opinion , I don't have much to brag about in my life. I have been blessed in certain areas in my life and in others, I have a huge void.
The reason for this post wasn't to brag, I thought it was a pretty cool house, I just wanted to share. I figured some people would think it was cool having a bunker, security system, theater and all. Its not every day you get to see something like that. The only photos I uploaded were just the things that stood out to me. I'm not friends with these people and I don't know them and I'm pretty sure they couldn't care less about me. I'm not going to be invited back for cocktails or to watch a movie. I talked about how the bunker originated and I said it was all speculation and rumors mostly. Sorry if your offended by the things I post or the threads I start. Its not my intention to make you feel insecure.
Seems like a helicopter would be cheaper, faster, and easier than building basically a private subway 35 miles from Dallas through multiple counties and cities all the way to Denton.
What are you even thinking? The EMP from the blast would fry the electronics like in Broken Arrow. Unless, the heli hanger is a faraday cage, but I didn’t see that listed in any of the descriptions. The entrance to that tunnel will probably be right beside you, and you don’t/won’t even know it. You are so close to me geographically, we may need to to become friends.
What are you even thinking? The EMP from the blast would fry the electronics like in Broken Arrow. Unless, the heli hanger is a faraday cage, but I didn’t see that listed in any of the descriptions. The entrance to that tunnel will probably be right beside you, and you don’t/won’t even know it. You are so close to me geographically, we may need to to become friends.
That was an underground detonation and you would have thought that a NEST team would have know not to fly a helicopter in that area with a nuke about to go off. But that was Hollywood and it made for a great climatic scene. Just like the part where Christian Slater was hit repeatedly with a crow bar and was still able to fight a man twice his size.
That was an underground detonation and you would have thought that a NEST team would have know not to fly a helicopter in that area with a nuke about to go off. But that was Hollywood and it made for a great climatic scene. Just like the part where Christian Slater was hit repeatedly with a crow bar and was still able to fight a man twice his size.
My comment was made in jest. I’m not clowning on you, in particular. I’m just clowning around. For what I consider local, that includes you as well. We may have met and not even known it.
Mr. Goodtimes
08-27-18, 21:47
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The reason for this post wasn't to brag, I thought it was a pretty cool house, I just wanted to share. I figured some people would think it was cool having a bunker, security system, theater and all. Its not every day you get to see something like that. The only photos I uploaded were just the things that stood out to me. I'm not friends with these people and I don't know them and I'm pretty sure they couldn't care less about me. I'm not going to be invited back for cocktails or to watch a movie. I talked about how the bunker originated and I said it was all speculation and rumors mostly.
F it, I thought the pictures and story were cool. You speculated about things, that's fine. Not like you leaked classified information or anything. If it was a problem rest assured you either wouldn't have been let in with a phone or it would have been checked / deleted before you were allowed to leave.
Not like you posted personal info or physical addresses. I don't think anyone with a collection of lambos and such is trying NOT to get noticed for what they have. It's a look at me house full of look at me contents and people were invited in to take a look.
Moose-Knuckle
08-28-18, 05:25
I didn't know I was known for anything. No one on this forum knows me, has ever met me, seen me or even knows my real name. If I was bragging, or humble bragging as you put it, wouldn't it be better for me to associate my name or face? Who am I bringing attention to, me? Or someone known to you as "Elephant". Elephant is NOT my real name or my true identity, its just my favorite animal and Moose Knuckle was already taken. So I mentioned that I owned an airplane in one post, because the topic was about airplanes. I was trying to contribute to an already existing conversation, I wasn't trying to humble brag about it. I don't see a 1977 King Air with 11,500 hours worth bragging about, perhaps if I had a Bombardier Global 7000, Gulfstream V or Falcon 900 I might be tempted to boast a little. So I uploaded some photos of some cars I have owned because the topic was about cars and I don't own any restored muscle cars, I had a couple of cars and I was trying to contribute to an already existing conversation. So I talk about our company which as since been sold. I talked about it because I have a background in large scale manufacturing, machining, engineering and fabrication and it is something that is interesting to me. In my opinion , I don't have much to brag about in my life. I have been blessed in certain areas in my life and in others, I have a huge void.
The reason for this post wasn't to brag, I thought it was a pretty cool house, I just wanted to share. I figured some people would think it was cool having a bunker, security system, theater and all. Its not every day you get to see something like that. The only photos I uploaded were just the things that stood out to me. I'm not friends with these people and I don't know them and I'm pretty sure they couldn't care less about me. I'm not going to be invited back for cocktails or to watch a movie. I talked about how the bunker originated and I said it was all speculation and rumors mostly. Sorry if your offended by the things I post or the threads I start. Its not my intention to make you feel insecure.
Don't let the bassturds grind you down. Haters gonna hate and there's lots of penis envy to go around. :cool:
I thought your post was informative and I appreciate the links to the abandoned airfields. I have shot before on a range that was a pilot training field in WWII down in central TX. DPS uses the old runways for advanced driving training and testing things like DWI program materials. There are even special cars that volunteers can legally drive drunk for analysis.
Not the first time I've heard of VIPs with tunnels. There was a big to do about Cheney building one when he was VPOTUS. No doubt W has one close by in Dallas and out at the ranch. If you want to go down this rabbit hole search Denver International Airport. I know his dad has a fortress at his library at A&M, private residence inside/underneath. Close to SMU and W's so yeah there is something there.
Adrenaline_6
08-28-18, 07:53
yes but over to the left, it shows a lot of trees that are not there.
I was just wanting the share photos of the house along with some of the features I though you all would be interested in. I gave a little background and info to give you an idea why I was there. I wasn't invited to hang out. I was there for like 30 minutes listening to a guy give a prestation on the future amenities. I just thought you all would think it was cool that a guy had a huge underground bunker and big house with a big car collection. I do know that parts of this house for whatever reason are not disclosed and parts of the backyard are not seen on google earth. George bush lives behind this house and I know that there is a strict no fly zone around my neighborhood, you can fly over but now lower than 500 feet. The zoning matters had to do mostly with adding an additional road and a separate entrance off that road. Most of the stuff I know comes from neighbors that "heard" something from someone else. Though I live in this neighborhood, I live in a section 8 hud home compared to these people. I know some of you don't care, but its not every day that you see stuff like this. Or see something first hand that have only been discussed by rumors.
Those are cool pics of cars and underground amenities. The security cameras are mostly b/w though. Not sure if they are looking at ir illuminated dark rooms or they are just old b/w cameras. Also, there is video loss on at least 5 cameras. Somebody isn't maintaining it too well.
As far as the no fly zone. Minimum 500' distance is the FAA regulation on flying over inhabited structures. A pilot can't get closer to 500' over a rat infested trailer park either.
Love the Lambo's though!
yes but over to the left, it shows a lot of trees that are not there.
I was just wanting the share photos of the house along with some of the features I though you all would be interested in. I gave a little background and info to give you an idea why I was there. I wasn't invited to hang out. I was there for like 30 minutes listening to a guy give a prestation on the future amenities. I just thought you all would think it was cool that a guy had a huge underground bunker and big house with a big car collection. I do know that parts of this house for whatever reason are not disclosed and parts of the backyard are not seen on google earth. George bush lives behind this house and I know that there is a strict no fly zone around my neighborhood, you can fly over but now lower than 500 feet. The zoning matters had to do mostly with adding an additional road and a separate entrance off that road. Most of the stuff I know comes from neighbors that "heard" something from someone else. Though I live in this neighborhood, I live in a section 8 hud home compared to these people. I know some of you don't care, but its not every day that you see stuff like this. Or see something first hand that have only been discussed by rumors.
That IS true. Their is a TFR for VIP movement that was issued in January of 2009 and is permanent North East of Love Field. This would coincide with W leaving the WH. But the TFR is from the surface to 1,500, not 500.
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_2934.html
Adrenaline_6
08-28-18, 09:48
That IS true. Their is a TFR for VIP movement that was issued in January of 2009 and is permanent North East of Love Field. This would coincide with W leaving the WH. But the TFR is from the surface to 1,500, not 500.
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_2934.html
Wrong reg that you are looking at.
I was wrong also though. It's been awhile. It is a 1000' over populated areas and 500' over sparsely populated areas.
91.119 Minimum safe altitudes; general
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the
following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere – An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without
undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas – Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over
any open-air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle
within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas – An altitude of 500 feet above the surface except over
open water or sparsely populated areas. In that case, the aircraft may not be operated
closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters – Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed In
paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons
or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply
with routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
SomeOtherGuy
08-28-18, 11:06
Wrong reg that you are looking at.
I was wrong also though. It's been awhile. It is a 1000' over populated areas and 500' over sparsely populated areas.
You're quoting the general rule that applies throughout the US. Alex V is quoting a Temporary Flight Restriction that applies to this one specific area and is more strict (no aircraft, period) and a higher altitude (1500agl) than the general rule.
Adrenaline_6
08-28-18, 11:50
You're quoting the general rule that applies throughout the US. Alex V is quoting a Temporary Flight Restriction that applies to this one specific area and is more strict (no aircraft, period) and a higher altitude (1500agl) than the general rule.
OK. Gotcha. I wasn't paying attention. My original post was in response to the OP's post about not flying within 500'. That applies everywhere. That NOTAM is something special. It's weird that it is centered on a park 2500' north of the property.
It's weird that it is centered on a park 2500' north of the property.
Maybe one of the Bush's was going sky diving again.
That property address is 1000 Hollow Way Rd. The $38M is a price reduction and $4M below assessment. So whatever is has or doesn't have, no one seems too excited to buy it. I can't believe someone would pay $160M for it.
I can't see Trump living there. No golf course. Plus he just doesn't seem like a TX kinda guy.
RetroRevolver77
08-28-18, 12:34
I know I wouldn't pay more than $35M for it, the whole thing just stinks of stale depends and some trophy wife turned interior decorator with a new money unlimited budget. You'd think they'd at least hire someone with taste. Plus if I can't drive my golf cart into the master bath to take a dump- it's a no go. They don't even have automatic panel doors to get the golf cart in the house- doesn't make sense at all. Walking is for serfs.
Well if you could stand to live in a somewhat cramped space this one offers a lot of the same features at 1/4 the price. https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Dallas-TX/26759508_zpid/38128_rid/priced_sort/33.191007,-96.187363,32.443146,-97.368393_rect/9_zm/0_mmm/
I need to move to Dallas and activate my real estate license.
So I mentioned that I owned an airplane in one post, because the topic was about airplanes. I was trying to contribute to an already existing conversation, I wasn't trying to humble brag about it. I don't see a 1977 King Air with 11,500 hours worth bragging about, perhaps if I had a Bombardier Global 7000, Gulfstream V or Falcon 900 I might be tempted to boast a little.
We appreciate your humility, subtly mentioning you own an airplane that seats 10 and costs upwards of $1M.
SomeOtherGuy
08-28-18, 13:03
We appreciate your humility, subtly mentioning you own an airplane that seats 10 and costs upwards of $1M.
Oh c'mon, it's ancient, and used. Practically everyone has some kind of twin-turboprop, 2000hp pressurized twin with a 25,000' ceiling and an operating cost of only $1000/hour. I'll bet the avionics suite in it can't have cost more than $150,000, tops.
:cool:
Enough. Talk about the house, preps, prices, real estate, etc. Not people.
for the house I wonder if you just bought yourself a nice 1000 acres in Texas somewhere and built your own dream estate for that $135 mil how much nicer it would be
I never did understand the whole its the neighberhood kinda thing :) I do understand the value just never understood wanting to pay inflated just to live in it when I could be out on my own somewhere :)
Adrenaline_6
08-28-18, 14:54
for the house I wonder if you just bought yourself a nice 1000 acres in Texas somewhere and built your own dream estate for that $135 mil how much nicer it would be
I never did understand the whole its the neighberhood kinda thing :) I do understand the value just never understood wanting to pay inflated just to live in it when I could be out on my own somewhere :)
I'm with you on that, but some people like to be where everything else is for convenience and/or social status. With that kind of money, everything I need would come to me, not vice versa.
Wrong reg that you are looking at.
I was wrong also though. It's been awhile. It is a 1000' over populated areas and 500' over sparsely populated areas.
91.119 Minimum safe altitudes; general
TFR, not FAR/AIM regulation.
You're quoting the general rule that applies throughout the US. Alex V is quoting a Temporary Flight Restriction that applies to this one specific area and is more strict (no aircraft, period) and a higher altitude (1500agl) than the general rule.
Right. The airport I used to rent out of it very close to Trump's Bedminster golf coarse. Every time he is there all aircraft at Solberg Airport (N51) are grounded and no traffic in and out. Same concept except that TFR is teporary as the name would suggest, the one NE of Love Field is permanent. There is also a permanent TFR above midtown Manhattan for VIP movement. I assume for Trump Tower.
OK. Gotcha. I wasn't paying attention. My original post was in response to the OP's post about not flying within 500'. That applies everywhere. That NOTAM is something special. It's weird that it is centered on a park 2500' north of the property.
It is a 1 NM radius so it covers the property. My guess is they are using the park as a landmark for VFR pilots? Not sure you want to be in there as a VFR private pilot, you would be under the DFW Class Bravo airspace.
All this talk makes me want to get back to flying so bad.
I know I wouldn't pay more than $35M for it, the whole thing just stinks of stale depends and some trophy wife turned interior decorator with a new money unlimited budget. You'd think they'd at least hire someone with taste.
I am glad I am not the only one who things this house is crap. As an Architect, I have to say, that house makes me want to puke.
We appreciate your humility, subtly mentioning you own an airplane that seats 10 and costs upwards of $1M.
I had owned an older Cessna 421C and a FBO in Houston was willing to trade me straight up +cash for the King Air. The King Air did not have an interior, and the paint was in horrible shape, in fact the tail numbers were made from blue painters tape and the original engines were +7400 SMOH, the hot sections had not been inspected and all the certs were expired. It was a round dial aircraft and it had been sitting outside for 4 years. They offered me a deal, take my Cessna 421C and $175k and they would give me the King Air, 2 factory rebuilt 850hp PW PT6A-42 engines and newer reconditioned Hartzell 4 blade props in exchange for the older 680HP PW PT6A-4's. At first, I didn't want to do this, but my pilot, who was a C-17 pilot in the USAF was giving me the look, plus he was rated to fly this particular aircraft. He got in and started the right engine and once I heard the sound of the turbine spool up, I made my decision. The first time we flew that plane, the prop governor went out just as we began to climb from take off. We had a small fire due to a starter on the left engine and 5 of the 8 fuel bladders were leaking. After the inspection, we spent the next 7 months getting everything fixed, my pilot found some authorized Beechcraft maintenance shops in the middle of Podunk Louisiana and Mississippi that would do the work at a fraction of the bigger places. I found a complete interior that was 6 years old at a place in West Palm Beach I was able to buy for less than $12k which is a steel and I had my plane painted by a illiterate red neck from Houma Louisiana. I found the BLR winglets that were ordered and while awaiting install, the aircraft was repossessed. My airplane does not seat 10, it seats 5 comfortably and I had less than $800k total invested and I had to borrow the money to get this plane airworthy.
53569
The paint job alone looks like a million bucks!
Oh c'mon, it's ancient, and used. Practically everyone has some kind of twin-turboprop, 2000hp pressurized twin with a 25,000' ceiling and an operating cost of only $1000/hour. I'll bet the avionics suite in it can't have cost more than $150,000, tops. :cool:
1,750 HP, 33,000' ceiling and if you figure the Beechcraft/ Pratt & Whitney A/P corporate maintenance plan, insurance, pilot and fuel the actual operating cost averaged $4,500/Hour. I didn't have the Collins Pro line avionics suit, that would have been nice. I did have a 1977 round dial cockpit and I added a used Garmin G600 TXi 7" for $17k. If you own a LLC, you can actually pay yourself to fly on the airplane as long as its business related and you get to write it off as an expense as well as the cost of ownership. And by the way, I don't even own an airplane anymore, I sold it in late 2016. I sold it to a aircraft broker.
Well if you could stand to live in a somewhat cramped space this one offers a lot of the same features at 1/4 the price. https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Dallas-TX/26759508_zpid/38128_rid/priced_sort/33.191007,-96.187363,32.443146,-97.368393_rect/9_zm/0_mmm/
I need to move to Dallas and activate my real estate license.
Every one in Dallas has a real estate license, I myself have a real estate license, though not active its a tough market, its hard to get established. The agents here are very hostile and territorial.
If I had the money and if I could afford it, I would buy this house in a heartbeat https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3428-Beverly-Dr-Dallas-TX-75205/27201228_zpid/, this is Robert Rowling's house. In my mind, its one of the most beautiful house in Dallas, Beverly Dr is where all the best houses in Dallas are.
Maybe one of the Bush's was going sky diving again.
That property address is 1000 Hollow Way Rd. The $38M is a price reduction and $4M below assessment. So whatever is has or doesn't have, no one seems too excited to buy it. I can't believe someone would pay $160M for it.
I can't see Trump living there. No golf course. Plus he just doesn't seem like a TX kinda guy.
A lot of people have mentioned that Trump has never done anything in Texas. If I could buy that house, I would sub divide the property into about 5-7 properties and build 5-7 separate houses on each property. Each house would be 20,000+ Sq/ft and all would have access to a massive community underground bunker complete with wine room, theater, work out facility, shooting range, underground garage etc. And for whatever reason, I believe that is what they are going to do. It makes since doing that instead of holding out for that 1 buyer who just happens to have a need for all of the amenities.
Its kind of a funny area, its a lot of old mixed with new, small mixed it with big and simple mixed with lavish. I myself live in a 1400 sq/ft mid century contemporary ranch house that was built in 1952, I remodeled years ago and turned the 2 car garage into a living space bringing the sq/ft to just over 2000 sq/ft. My next door neighbor has a 6,000 sq/ft Spanish colonial revival house and a few doors down there is a 13,000 sq/ft Palm Beach-ish style house. And there are some people who want to live in the 1950-1960 ranch houses and some who would rather bull doze them and build a starter castle, there is NO restrictions or HOA in my neighborhood, you can build whatever you want. However, my house has no real value, the value is in the grass and that's why I don't put any money into my house. If I sold it today, it would be bulldozed next week. In fact a lot of people who are selling there homes, will tear the house down and just sell the lot- apparently you can make a little more money that way.
I don't know if they paid $160M, that's just speculation. You can ask whatever price you want, whether you get it or not is another thing. I swear there are some houses that you would bet would sell and they never do and others you think don't have a chance and they have 10 buyers competing with offers and the house sells for much more than the asking price. I figured the 60,000 sq/ft French mansion with the personal heated water park and indoor basketball court would have sold within 90 days, and it has been on the market for years. There is another house up by Denton that is on 13,000 manicured acres, huge mansion with multiple guest houses, huge man made lakes and it was for sale for $100M then reduced to $60M and then reduced to $40M and it eventually sold years later to developers.
I don’t have the training for this level of autism.
I had owned an older Cessna 421C and a FBO in Houston was willing to trade me straight up +cash for the King Air. The King Air did not have an interior, and the paint was in horrible shape, in fact the tail numbers were made from blue painters tape and the original engines were +7400 SMOH, the hot sections had not been inspected and all the certs were expired. It was a round dial aircraft and it had been sitting outside for 4 years. They offered me a deal, take my Cessna 421C and $175k and they would give me the King Air, 2 factory rebuilt 850hp PW PT6A-42 engines and newer reconditioned Hartzell 4 blade props in exchange for the older 680HP PW PT6A-4's. At first, I didn't want to do this, but my pilot, who was a C-17 pilot in the USAF was giving me the look, plus he was rated to fly this particular aircraft. He got in and started the right engine and once I heard the sound of the turbine spool up, I made my decision. The first time we flew that plane, the prop governor went out just as we began to climb from take off. We had a small fire due to a starter on the left engine and 5 of the 8 fuel bladders were leaking. After the inspection, we spent the next 7 months getting everything fixed, my pilot found some authorized Beechcraft maintenance shops in the middle of Podunk Louisiana and Mississippi that would do the work at a fraction of the bigger places. I found a complete interior that was 6 years old at a place in West Palm Beach I was able to buy for less than $12k which is a steel and I had my plane painted by a illiterate red neck from Houma Louisiana. I found the BLR winglets that were ordered and while awaiting install, the aircraft was repossessed. My airplane does not seat 10, it seats 5 comfortably and I had less than $800k total invested and I had to borrow the money to get this plane airworthy.
53569
The paint job alone looks like a million bucks!
1,750 HP, 33,000' ceiling and if you figure the Beechcraft/ Pratt & Whitney A/P corporate maintenance plan, insurance, pilot and fuel the actual operating cost averaged $4,500/Hour. I didn't have the Collins Pro line avionics suit, that would have been nice. I did have a 1977 round dial cockpit and I added a used Garmin G600 TXi 7" for $17k. If you own a LLC, you can actually pay yourself to fly on the airplane as long as its business related and you get to write it off as an expense as well as the cost of ownership. And by the way, I don't even own an airplane anymore, I sold it in late 2016. I sold it to a aircraft broker.
Every one in Dallas has a real estate license, I myself have a real estate license, though not active its a tough market, its hard to get established. The agents here are very hostile and territorial.
If I had the money and if I could afford it, I would buy this house in a heartbeat https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3428-Beverly-Dr-Dallas-TX-75205/27201228_zpid/, this is Robert Rowling's house. In my mind, its one of the most beautiful house in Dallas, Beverly Dr is where all the best houses in Dallas are.
A lot of people have mentioned that Trump has never done anything in Texas. If I could buy that house, I would sub divide the property into about 5-7 properties and build 5-7 separate houses on each property. Each house would be 20,000+ Sq/ft and all would have access to a massive community underground bunker complete with wine room, theater, work out facility, shooting range, underground garage etc. And for whatever reason, I believe that is what they are going to do. It makes since doing that instead of holding out for that 1 buyer who just happens to have a need for all of the amenities.
Its kind of a funny area, its a lot of old mixed with new, small mixed it with big and simple mixed with lavish. I myself live in a 1400 sq/ft mid century contemporary ranch house that was built in 1952, I remodeled years ago and turned the 2 car garage into a living space bringing the sq/ft to just over 2000 sq/ft. My next door neighbor has a 6,000 sq/ft Spanish colonial revival house and a few doors down there is a 13,000 sq/ft Palm Beach-ish style house. And there are some people who want to live in the 1950-1960 ranch houses and some who would rather bull doze them and build a starter castle, there is NO restrictions or HOA in my neighborhood, you can build whatever you want. However, my house has no real value, the value is in the grass and that's why I don't put any money into my house. If I sold it today, it would be bulldozed next week. In fact a lot of people who are selling there homes, will tear the house down and just sell the lot- apparently you can make a little more money that way.
I don't know if they paid $160M, that's just speculation. You can ask whatever price you want, whether you get it or not is another thing. I swear there are some houses that you would bet would sell and they never do and others you think don't have a chance and they have 10 buyers competing with offers and the house sells for much more than the asking price. I figured the 60,000 sq/ft French mansion with the personal heated water park and indoor basketball court would have sold within 90 days, and it has been on the market for years. There is another house up by Denton that is on 13,000 manicured acres, huge mansion with multiple guest houses, huge man made lakes and it was for sale for $100M then reduced to $60M and then reduced to $40M and it eventually sold years later to developers.
As I posted before, Mehrdad Moayedi had the house and 11 acres listed for $38.5 million. The other 10 acres he kept to develop. I doubt anyone payed over asking price for it, and I bet Moayedi listed it so low to get it to flip quickly. https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2018/07/17/flip-this-mansion-former-hicks-estate-back-on.html It's pretty obvious he bought it to gain the acreage for little to no cost.
As I posted before, Mehrdad Moayedi had the house and 11 acres listed for $38.5 million. The other 10 acres he kept to develop. I doubt anyone payed over asking price for it, and I bet Moayedi listed it so low to get it to flip quickly. https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2018/07/17/flip-this-mansion-former-hicks-estate-back-on.html It's pretty obvious he bought it to gain the acreage for little to no cost.
So basically this whole thread is BS.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-28-18, 21:54
As opposed to all the other threads in GD?
Adrenaline_6
08-28-18, 21:59
All this talk makes me want to get back to flying so bad.
I feel ya. It's been awhile for me too. Then I think of everything I would have to do get fully current again and then I think to myself, "nah, I'm good"
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-28-18, 22:09
I've been watching some youtube vids by a guy named Trent Palmer. That kind of flying would make living out here in the West worth it. Lot's of back-country flying.
SomeOtherGuy
08-28-18, 22:16
1,750 HP, 33,000' ceiling and if you figure the Beechcraft/ Pratt & Whitney A/P corporate maintenance plan, insurance, pilot and fuel the actual operating cost averaged $4,500/Hour. I didn't have the Collins Pro line avionics suit, that would have been nice. I did have a 1977 round dial cockpit and I added a used Garmin G600 TXi 7" for $17k. If you own a LLC, you can actually pay yourself to fly on the airplane as long as its business related and you get to write it off as an expense as well as the cost of ownership. And by the way, I don't even own an airplane anymore, I sold it in late 2016. I sold it to a aircraft broker.
It sounds like you got an amazing deal on the hull. I can't reconcile a $4500/hour operating cost though. I looked up some references for King Air operating costs before posting that; the most detailed and lowest estimate I found was here:
http://www.what2fly.com/manufacturer/operating_cost/BEECH/KING+AIR+200/95
But I rounded to 1k based on another site that listed the various types of King Air and was ranging from 850-1150/hour direct operating cost. I used to work for an FBO & charter operation that operated three King Airs (two 200's, one 90) as well as other aircraft, and while it's years ago they would provide a King Air with two pilots for $900/hr at the time (c. 1998). I know fuel and everything else costs more now, but the old rate had pilots and profit built in. Anyway... I best be going now.
First of all, I cant tell you who it is or where this house is other than its located in North Dallas. The house is blacked out on Google Earth. (The lie detector determined that this was a lie.) I was invited along with a few other neighbors to listen to a proposal on zoning. I wasn't able to take that many photos and out of the ones I took, his 12 man security team(How do you know it was 12? Did you count them all? Was it announced to the guests?) asked me kindly to delete them(But not all of them? They just picked a few, and the photo of the security room wasn't one they wanted you to delete?). This house is 58,000 square feet, has a 13,000 square foot quest house and a 8,500 square foot pool house. The house sits on 25 acres in the heart of North Dallas in a neighbor hood called Preston Hollow. The house is 4 floors, has a 4,500 square foot reinforced bunker, a 100 yard underground rifle range, 65 seat movie theater(The picture you included, even noting the 65 seats, clearly shows an occupancy of 20 or so, again in the real estate listings online) with (2) Christie IMAX projectors, additional 25 seat theater in bunker. Has 55 car subterranean garage as well as a 12 car garage attached to house. The pool house, guest house and main house are all connected via an underground tunnel which leads to a helipad and somewhere that is classified. This paticualr person collects cars and has 38 Lamborghinis, 27 Ferraris, 20+ Porches and drives an armored Rolls Royce daily. The original owner for the last 20 years has been Tom Hicks, he sold the house to Andy Beal (Trumps Economic Advisor) for $120Million, Andy purchased all the available houses that shared property lines except for one, bull dozed and expanded land from 25 acres to an un-verified amount of acreage. Andy sold it to an anonymous buyer for $160million (presumably). This new buyer is "big time" from what we were told. But for security reasons, the identity had to remain secret. The meeting I went to was about the new owner wanting to build an underground tunnel from the main house to Denton (35 miles away)(This is an impossible feat for a number of reasons, and so out of the realm of reality it's not even funny.). And the new owner needed 50% +1 to get approval(Approval from who, his neighbors? His neighbors needed to approve a 35 mile long tunnel through 3 counties?). Some have speculated that the new owner may be our President considering that President George Bush live in the only remaining house that shares property lines. This part of the neighborhood already has a pretty big secret service detail as well as private security because of other who live here (Ross Perot, Mark Cuban, Jerry Jones, etc.) I have a few other photos but I though I would share
I fixed it for you.
It sounds like you got an amazing deal on the hull. I can't reconcile a $4500/hour operating cost though. I looked up some references for King Air operating costs before posting that; the most detailed and lowest estimate I found was here:
http://www.what2fly.com/manufacturer/operating_cost/BEECH/KING+AIR+200/95
But I rounded to 1k based on another site that listed the various types of King Air and was ranging from 850-1150/hour direct operating cost. I used to work for an FBO & charter operation that operated three King Airs (two 200's, one 90) as well as other aircraft, and while it's years ago they would provide a King Air with two pilots for $900/hr at the time (c. 1998). I know fuel and everything else costs more now, but the old rate had pilots and profit built in. Anyway... I best be going now.
Dude, you didn't factor in the door gunners, or the private strip in downtown Dallas. It's blacked out.
It sounds like you got an amazing deal on the hull. I can't reconcile a $4500/hour operating cost though. I looked up some references for King Air operating costs before posting that; the most detailed and lowest estimate I found was here:
But I rounded to 1k based on another site that listed the various types of King Air and was ranging from 850-1150/hour direct operating cost. I used to work for an FBO & charter operation that operated three King Airs (two 200's, one 90) as well as other aircraft, and while it's years ago they would provide a King Air with two pilots for $900/hr at the time (c. 1998). I know fuel and everything else costs more now, but the old rate had pilots and profit built in. Anyway... I best be going now.
I know this is long:
It was a good deal in the long run, but for the first couple of months it just felt like every day we discovered something wrong and needed to be replaced, updated or fixed. I felt that the mechanics were taking me for a ride but once I got through that and started seeing the light at the end of the tunnel I started feeling like it was a good deal. It was when the plane came back from getting a paint job, it was then that I felt a sense of satisfaction because if you didn't know any better, you would have though it was a brand new aircraft that just rolled off the assembly line at Beechcraft. There were a lot of newer king airs at my FBO that had a lot better paintjobs in my opinion but I was happy with my white/blue/silver scheme. It was the same scheme I saw in the 2015 Beechcraft brochure.
I had a corporate maintenance package which is like a maintenance insurance package so I was basically buying future replacement parts up front before they would break. When my starter generator went out, I didn't have to go spend $6500 on a new unit and spend another $1800 on installation, Beechcraft sent one overnight and paid 1/2 for the installation because it was not an authorized service center. When my de-icing boot had separated and malfunctioned, Beechcraft covered the full $9400 + installation and paint. I had a speed governor fail in flight and we had to make an emergency landing, Beechcraft covered a remanufactured governor and installation and I had to pay for the inspection. The failure was due to a solenoid. But anyway, in my opinion, though it cost significantly more per hour, it actually cost less in the long run to have this package because you pay per hour. Its totally worth it for an older plane, I wouldn't think you would need it for a newer airplane but defiantly for an older plane with 10k+ cycles. They charge you based on the hours logged. At the end of each 30 calendar day month, you report to them the hours and send a check. Obviously this maintenance plan is optional and some owners opt not to have it, but if you want your aircraft certified Part 135, its best to have it because it gives assurance that your future maintenance expenses are covered. They don't cover your struts, avionics, air conditioning (well, not all of it), or interior.
I mostly flew from Dallas to Houston and back, or Dallas to Pascagoula and back and only occasionally would I fly to Brownsville or Biloxi. I flew typically on Mondays and came home on Tuesdays about every week or every other week . Each way was about 1 hour flight, and I could go round trip on a single tank of fuel so I averaged about 4h40m to 7h20m flight times each month. The $4500/hour included my $1300 monthly FBO lease at Direct Jet at Love Field. The $4500 is what I feel that I actually paid to own that airplane per hour of flight time. Jet A is a lot more expensive in major cities like Dallas and Houston than it is in smaller cities or smaller airports. In Dallas I paid around $5.85 a gallon times 550 gallons, in Houma or Vicksburg, I would pay around $3.98/gallon. I said $4500 but I maybe including things unrelated, in reality, I think I spent around $8200 a month total including the hangar ($1300), pilot ($200/hr averaging $1600 month), fuel ($2800/month average),taxes, maintenance program and the loan payment. There were times that I could charter a dry or wet King Air and go anywhere a little cheaper than it cost me to fly my own but I would rather be in my own plane. When I sold it, I was originally asking $1,050,000 and then reduced it to $950k but there was a guy from another FBO willing to write a check right then for $770k and I knew that other king airs had been on the market for several months so I excepted his offer. Never looked back.
Coal Dragger
08-29-18, 02:02
I've been watching some youtube vids by a guy named Trent Palmer. That kind of flying would make living out here in the West worth it. Lot's of back-country flying.
I’ve watched a few of those videos.
His videos of the PT6 powered Wilga make me happy, and I know nothing about flying.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-29-18, 06:41
I know this is long:
It was a good deal in the long run, but for the first couple of months it just felt like every day we discovered something wrong and needed to be replaced, updated or fixed. I felt that the mechanics were taking me for a ride but once I got through that and started seeing the light at the end of the tunnel I started feeling like it was a good deal. It was when the plane came back from getting a paint job, it was then that I felt a sense of satisfaction because if you didn't know blah, blah blah....
blah, blah, blah, fuel ($2800/month average),taxes, maintenance program and the loan payment. There were times that I could charter a dry or wet King Air and go anywhere a little cheaper than it cost me to fly my own but I would rather be in my own plane. When I sold it, I was originally asking $1,050,000 and then reduced it to $950k but there was a guy from another FBO willing to write a check right then for $770k and I knew that other king airs had been on the market for several months so I excepted his offer. Never looked back.
It would be cheaper to have a wife and house each in DFW and Houston...
Digital_Damage
08-29-18, 12:29
I guess we just missed each other... This was an open house event. I attended it with a guy to asses the PACS Infrastructure he wanted estimates, recently bought one of the Kresge mansions...
The line up of cars were not his, they were from people attending...
Not 160 million... not even half that.
Not 700 feet...
and a bunch of other stuff...
I guess we just missed each other... This was an open house event. I attended it with a guy to asses the PACS Infrastructure he wanted estimates, recently bought one of the Kresge mansions...
The line up of cars were not his, they were from people attending...
Not 160 million... not even half that.
Not 700 feet...
and a bunch of other stuff...
So basically, like my correction post at the top of this page, everything was bullshit and devolved into Elephant talking about his dad's airplane he no longer owns. Gotcha.
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