View Full Version : Mass shooting - Cincinnati (5 shot, 3 dead, 1 critical, perp dead)
thepatriot2705
09-06-18, 20:58
Early this morning around 9 am, a gunman targeted the Fifth Third Bank headquarters in Cincinnati, Oh. Reports are that 5 were shot with 3 fatalities and 1 currently in critical condition. The suspect, born in Puerto Rico, was killed in a shootout with police. Information I have gathered suggest that there were cops eating in a restaurant in the vicinity and responded almost immediately. They engaged the suspect by shooting through glass. By all accounts, Cincinnati Police saved many lives today. As for the suspect, he has lived in PR, Florida, south carolina and moved to cincinnati in 2015. He had a criminal record including marijuna related offenses, resisting arrest, and other small things.
I work in downtown Cincinnati and the reaction has been the obvious, "I can't believe it happened here."
Super glad I have a red "guns are not permitted in this building" sign on my building...
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/downtown/everything-we-know-about-the-fifth-third-bank-shooting-downtown
wildcard600
09-06-18, 22:04
Early this morning around 9 am, a gunman targeted the Fifth Third Bank headquarters in Cincinnati, Oh. Reports are that 5 were shot with 3 fatalities and 1 currently in critical condition. The suspect, born in Puerto Rico, was killed in a shootout with police. Information I have gathered suggest that there were cops eating in a restaurant in the vicinity and responded almost immediately. They engaged the suspect by shooting through glass. By all accounts, Cincinnati Police saved many lives today. As for the suspect, he has lived in PR, Florida, south carolina and moved to cincinnati in 2015. He had a criminal record including marijuna related offenses, resisting arrest, and other small things.
I work in downtown Cincinnati and the reaction has been the obvious, "I can't believe it happened here."
Super glad I have a red "guns are not permitted in this building" sign on my building...
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/downtown/everything-we-know-about-the-fifth-third-bank-shooting-downtown
Haven't seen anything so far on possible motive. Bank robbery gone wrong ?
I have family that works and fortunately they’re alright.
Just goes to show bad things happen anywhere.
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thepatriot2705
09-06-18, 22:15
Haven't seen anything so far on possible motive. Bank robbery gone wrong ?
Two of the victims worked for a construction contractor. Given the guys history of bouncing from job to job, I think he was laid off and targeted the company, which was working on a project in the building.
Edit: it was the Bank hq. there is a branch of the same bank next door. Also, he apparently entered through the loading dock which would lend credence to the theory I just heard
I spend a lot of time in that area evaluating properties for a client. Scary shit.
RetroRevolver77
09-07-18, 01:01
My wife works downtown there also and her company was on lockdown.
Haven't seen anything so far on possible motive. Bank robbery gone wrong ?
I'm thinking foreclosure and a "f it all attitude." Of course it could simply be another case of "crazy and walking around in public."
I have a family member who is an high level executive at that bank. Luckily, she just had surgery.
At least the guy got his dose of lead.
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thepatriot2705
09-07-18, 12:55
I have a family member who is an high level executive at that bank. Luckily, she just had surgery.
At least the guy got his dose of lead.
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https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/omar-santa-perez-shooting-video-body-cam-and-surveillance-video-shows-fifth-third-center-shooter
Video from inside the tower and police body cams. Give those cops medals!
Why did the cop lay his rifle down to draw his handgun?!?!?!
RetroRevolver77
09-07-18, 14:20
Why did the cop lay his rifle down to draw his handgun?!?!?!
Maybe he was afraid of over penetration with so many people possible in the lobby.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-07-18, 15:14
Why did the cop lay his rifle down to draw his handgun?!?!?!
Was there not a mag or did he have a 10 rounder in there?
I thought I heard some full auto (at a pretty good rate)??
Did the rifleman run out of ammo and ditch it?
The shooter seemed pretty cool. Walking around, one handing it. Dressed in business attire. Looked almost like the movie HEAT bank robbery scene.
1 cop runs across the windows (0:54)
We see a cop with a rifle (0:58) so now we have the cop who ran across the windows, the rifle laying down cop and the body cam cop.
at 1:01 you can see a (new?) set of feet of someone just to the right of the body cam cop who is standing in front of the windows. Was this the guy shooting full auto? You never see above his thighs.
They released the body cams with the least useful viewpoints.
dwhitehorne
09-07-18, 15:14
I see it all the time in training. A career of carrying shotguns with no slings and nobody slings their rifle when they jump out of the car under stress. I constantly see people set the long gun down on the ground in the kneeling when they have to transition to the handgun. We did it for years with the shotgun because of safely keeping the muzzle down range. Lots of seasoned officers also feel the need to go to the handgun going around corners or into doorways. Under stress you always revert back to your most basic training unless you have spent years training differently. I hope the number two guy picked it up. David
Interesting. Arrested in Broward county for among other things resisting arrest; yet he is out and about walking and able to legally purchase guns. What does that now make the tally of “known to police”, previous criminal activity unpunished, unreported,...
We don’t have a gun problem or a violence problem, but a legal system problem.
It looked to me like the cop with the rifle never had a magazine (in the video). I think he accidentally dropped his magazine, had one round in the chamber, fired it, and realized what happened and abandoned the rifle.
Edit: I just watched the vid again, I don't think he ever got a shot off. I think he brought an unloaded rifle to a gun fight. He also has one of those Hk style three point slings that were popular in the early 2000's on the rifle. I don't think he's very familiar with it (the rifle). I looked on the ground on the way to the scene for the magazine, and didn't see it, so it's probably in his car somewhere.
Props to the female cop wearing the body cam. She's a bad ass.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CdKwX_1536350886
Edit: I just watched the vid again, I don't think he ever got a shot off. I think he brought an unloaded rifle to a gun fight. He also has one of those Hk style three point slings that were popular in the early 2000's on the rifle. I don't think he's very familiar with it (the rifle). I looked on the ground on the way to the scene for the magazine, and didn't see it, so it's probably in his car somewhere.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CdKwX_1536350886
I watched that video several times, at least 5 times. At the 1:27 mark, the officer with the AR fired one shot and the magazine dropped, a clear distinct sound of loaded mag on concrete, he yelled "fu c k" then fumbled with the rifle as he dropped it and drew the handgun.
It looked to me like the cop with the rifle never had a magazine (in the video). I think he accidentally dropped his magazine, had one round in the chamber, fired it, and realized what happened and abandoned the rifle.
Edit: I just watched the vid again, I don't think he ever got a shot off. I think he brought an unloaded rifle to a gun fight. He also has one of those Hk style three point slings that were popular in the early 2000's on the rifle. I don't think he's very familiar with it (the rifle). I looked on the ground on the way to the scene for the magazine, and didn't see it, so it's probably in his car somewhere.
Props to the female cop wearing the body cam. She's a bad ass.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CdKwX_1536350886
Watch her shots through the glass- she follows the shooter all the way to the floor.
Averageman
09-08-18, 20:20
I watched that video several times, at least 5 times. At the 1:27 mark, the officer with the AR fired one shot and the magazine dropped, a clear distinct sound of loaded mag on concrete, he yelled "fu c k" then fumbled with the rifle as he dropped it and drew the handgun.
And left an AR and a magazine behind unattended.
thepatriot2705
09-08-18, 21:42
Search @abbyanstead on Twitter. Looks like the shitstain used a taurus g2c and suffered a jam. Apparently purchased gun on August 2nd. Another interesting thing to note is that he had roughly 200 rounds of ammo in boxes with him. Didn’t have them loaded in magazines. I don’t think he was that familiar with the weapon...
I watched that video several times, at least 5 times. At the 1:27 mark, the officer with the AR fired one shot and the magazine dropped, a clear distinct sound of loaded mag on concrete, he yelled "fu c k" then fumbled with the rifle as he dropped it and drew the handgun.
I watched it several times too, looking for the magazine. It wasn't until I read the above, watched the video again, and very clearly heard the mag dropping.
I think what sounded like full-auto are pistol shots, glass breaking, and echoes from each.
I've never thought rock-in magazines (AK, M14, etc) were inferior to straight-in, just a different choice.
How many times have we all laughed at guys who fire a shot (or less) as the magazine falls to the ground during a competition/training? Too many to count. Glad the cop is okay. He's now the .gif for push-pull!
I watched it several times too, looking for the magazine. It wasn't until I read the above, watched the video again, and very clearly heard the mag dropping.
I think what sounded like full-auto are pistol shots, glass breaking, and echoes from each.
I've never thought rock-in magazines (AK, M14, etc) were inferior to straight-in, just a different choice.
How many times have we all laughed at guys who fire a shot (or less) as the magazine falls to the ground during a competition/training? Too many to count. Glad the cop is okay. He's now the .gif for push-pull!
Somebody needs to send that dude a Pat Rogers "moose cock" patch. The lady cop with the body cam did great work.
ramairthree
09-09-18, 08:55
Why did the cop lay his rifle down to draw his handgun?!?!?!
Based on pictures of other response events, possibilities include having the magazine in backwards, having the Eotech on backwards...
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/downtown/everything-we-know-about-the-fifth-third-bank-shooting-downtown
Had to wade through a bunch of links on twitter to find and confirm the crazy murderer's gun as a Taurus, but it's not a G2C, it looks more like an older TH9, compare the picture in the link below and the link above:
https://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=921&category=Pistol&toggle=tp&breadcrumbseries=TH
Taurus changed the stippling pattern in the grip but the shape of the grip, controls, trigger guard hook are still the same.
Just watched the video from inside. His slide into hell was gratifying.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
09-09-18, 13:31
Watch her shots through the glass- she follows the shooter all the way to the floor.
And left an AR and a magazine behind unattended.
Was standing right there with the fam last month, even my son recognized it.
I dont hear a mag, more importantly I don’t see one?
It sure sounds like FA, but I noticed that the mics ‘bloom’ on the loudness of the shots, so maybe that is what is causing it to seem to periodic.
There are four cops. The one that runs across, the rifle ‘shooter’, Cincinnati’s Blackwidow and one other cop to her right that is out in the open. I don’t see if he had a rifle or a handgun.
The rifle guy had an issue. He got behind cover and got back in the fight lickity split.
The perp went down HARD.
5. Whitney Austin, one of the surviving victims, is a Fifth Third Bank vice president
Fifth Third Bank's vice president and digital product lending manager was shot 12 times in Thursday's Downtown shooting, her husband said.
Whitney Austin is now undergoing surgery at University of Cincinnati Medical Center. Her husband, Waller Austin, said he is hopeful she will make a full recovery.
For once at least the bad guy goes down fast and a good guy is the one that survives lots of hits. I really want to hear more about that.
I watched that video several times, at least 5 times. At the 1:27 mark, the officer with the AR fired one shot and the magazine dropped, a clear distinct sound of loaded mag on concrete, he yelled "fu c k" then fumbled with the rifle as he dropped it and drew the handgun.
..except in the first frame the rifle is visible, before he attempts to fire, there is no magazine, and in the shot of the ground where he was standing, after he (may or may not have fired), there is no magazine. He didn't bring a horse to the rodeo.
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/omar-santa-perez-shooting-video-body-cam-and-surveillance-video-shows-fifth-third-center-shooter
Video from inside the tower and police body cams. Give those cops medals!
And THAT is how it's correctly done. Female body cam officer passed calm and important information and stayed in the game, even when another officer ducked into her line of fire.
I think rifle guy didn't bring a loaded rifle...details are important.
I think this type of response is as good as it gets even with the fumbles.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-09-18, 23:56
And THAT is how it's correctly done. Female body cam officer passed calm and important information and stayed in the game, even when another officer ducked into her line of fire.
I think rifle guy didn't bring a loaded rifle...details are important.
I think this type of response is as good as it gets even with the fumbles.
I think the rifle was not loaded, as crazy as it seems.
Maybe I didn't emphasize it enough, the rifle shooter messed up, but he got back in the fight right away. Things go wrong, he recovered fast. Kudos. I'd hate to be judged by my last rifle match where I forgot to turn on my red dot, my stage plan went to crap and I went long on round count and ended with a super ugly off hand mag change and bolt drop. And that is with out people shooting at me.
I think the rifle was not loaded, as crazy as it seems.
Maybe I didn't emphasize it enough, the rifle shooter messed up, but he got back in the fight right away. Things go wrong, he recovered fast. Kudos. I'd hate to be judged by my last rifle match where I forgot to turn on my red dot, my stage plan went to crap and I went long on round count and ended with a super ugly off hand mag change and bolt drop. And that is with out people shooting at me.
If I didn't make it clear, yes he recovered about as well as you can recover from something like that. Best thing about body cams is training videos, what happens when you bring a rifle with no magazine and what happens when you stay calm and remember your training.
Didn't mean to sound overly critical of rifle guy, at least he came to fight even if he didn't bring all of the tools he intended to bring. I think I'm just overly impressed by the one officers who kept it all calm, cool and collected before, during and after the shooting. It's a pretty rare thing. She made sure everyone knew where she was at and what she was doing.
If I knew who she was, she'd have one box of cookies coming her way and I'm pretty stingy when it comes to giving somebody a cookie.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-10-18, 00:33
A coupon for Greater's Ice cream for staying cool. There is a shop in that square. It is the only 'pot' I like, French Pot ice cream.
If I knew who she was, she'd have one box of cookies coming her way and I'm pretty stingy when it comes to giving somebody a cookie.
HAHAHAHA! A man after my own heart.
If you find out who she is, let me know. I'll send cookies too.
Send gift certificate to the police department and ask them to forward it to that female officer. Sending real cookies might get them thrown in the dumpster, a careful individual wouldn't accept cookies from just any unknown person through the mail.
thepatriot2705
09-10-18, 09:56
HAHAHAHA! A man after my own heart.
If you find out who she is, let me know. I'll send cookies too.
Cincinnati police listed the officers name on their twitter account.
@cincypd:
“Four Cincinnati officers involved in the encounter with the shooter: Officer Jennifer Chilton, Officer Antonio Etter, Officer Eric Kaminsky, and Police Specialist Gregory Toyeas while hundreds of other officers secured the scene around Fifth Third Center and Fountain Square.”
It seems to me this was a textbook active shooter response by the police. I saw this on another forum, apparently posted by a Cincinnati Officer:
From the first shot fired by the suspect to the last round fired by the officers, the time was somewhere around 4 minutes, 20 something seconds. It took about 54 seconds from the time the first round fired was by the suspect to the first call to Communications section. Which leaves a response time, implementation of a plan of action, and engagement time of the officers around 3 minutes and change. We're talking about the time from the first radio broadcast of an active shooter until the last round fired by Officers was at 3 minutes and change. For those not in Law Enforcement, that's impressive. I don't mean to sound like I'm bragging on my officers, but I am... They didn't have the ability to stop their cars immediately outside of the location where they engaged the suspect from. You can't drive a car up onto Fountain Square. So you have to include time it took to get from where they bailed out of their cars to the location where they engaged the suspect.
About the officers:
They're excellent officers, but they're average looking officers. But in 26 years, I've often seen the average looking officers be the ones who are willing and able to step up when the situation calls for someone to do so. Another example of, "Don't judge a book by it's cover".
thepatriot2705
09-10-18, 20:24
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/09/10/cincinnati-shooter-family-begged-florida-courts-mental-health-treatment-records-show/1258169002/
Looks like broward county screwed the pooch again. Was a known loose cannon.
titsonritz
09-10-18, 21:43
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/09/10/cincinnati-shooter-family-begged-florida-courts-mental-health-treatment-records-show/1258169002/
Looks like broward county screwed the pooch again. Was a known loose cannon.
It was obviously the guns fault...well that and Trumps.
Send gift certificate to the police department and ask them to forward it to that female officer. Sending real cookies might get them thrown in the dumpster, a careful individual wouldn't accept cookies from just any unknown person through the mail.
Probably have to get sent back, most PDs I've worked with are very serious about officers not being able to accept gifts and things like that. Best bet would be to find a "cookie of the month" club kind of thing and just sign her up with a paid membership.
That would assume she wants to be acknowledged or reminded.....
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-11-18, 15:36
That would assume she wants to be acknowledged or reminded.....
Two people died and you killed a guy. Here’s some cookies...
Like I said. That definitely deserves ice cream, not crappy cookies.
That came off snarky. I didn't enlarge.
I've talked and worked with officers who have been involved in shootings in which the bad guy died. Some don't want to talk about it. Some will if they think it will do any good.
I know one officer that didn't mind at all talking about it. Everyone pretty much agreed that he had been wanting to shoot someone for most of his career and finally got the chance. IMO that doesn't say much of you as a person.
One friend who killed an armed robber after a foot pursuit (before I knew him) talked about it if asked, but you could tell it bothered him. People who knew him before told me he had changed and become more introverted.
Another casual friend who had been shot on the same entry where another casual friend had been killed picked up the habit of incessantly tappin/jigginly his leg by raising the heel up and down when ever he sat. He didn't do that before he was shot and shot back.
From my experience in talking to and working with folks who have been involved in fatal shootings, it isn't something most want to dwell on.
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