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Stickman
09-29-18, 00:49
BCM has released their new AR15 pistol which uses the SB Tactical SBA3 brace. The SBA3 has been considered to be a pistol "brace" by BATF, and not a stock. BATF has gone back and forth, but finally came up with the conclusion is that there is no way to hold a pistol incorrectly, and that the stock can be shouldered. I would point out there are probably not many, if any, companies which want to tell customers they can use the brace in the same manner as the stock by putting it up to their shoulder. I don't blame the companies, as the BATF isn't looked at as "the kind and helpful agency" by anyone I know of.

I would bring up a different point, and it is one I haven't heard of yet. I haven't shot an AR15 from my shoulder for over a decade. My AR15 is almost centered on my chest on the edge of my collar bone, and a crude measuring tape puts that over 5-1/2" away from my shoulder.

With the above in mind, I have been working room clearing drills, and taking the BCM AR pistol out and about for different activities. It doesn't take much imagination to quickly see the AR pistol works as well as a SBR. The SB Tactical SBA3 brace is comfortable, and adjustable for length.

Does a pistol brace actual do anything along the lines in which it was allegedly designed? I would say yes. A brace is designed to aid shooters, and those who are disabled, weakened, infirm, or elderly may all find issues with bringing a heavier AR to bear if needed. A brace has solid ability to aid those persons in ways they may not otherwise be able to shoot with the AR platform. I support this 100%, and in the same way I support the various laws for disabled persons which allow them to have a standard of living similar to their non-handicapped brethren.

For those people who mock braces and look down on anyone who hasn't flagged themselves with the SBR taxstamp, I get it. Those of us who paid extra money for a right which is already guaranteed under the Constitution have every right to be upset. However, a pistol allows you to cross state lines without concern or notifications being made. A pistol is covered under your CPL/ CCW. An AR pistol configured correctly can do just about everything a SBR can do, and with the SBA3 brace, it can now do it without looking goofy.

For those who are interested, it is my understanding that BCM will be offering the new SBA3 configured pistols in all of their shorter 5.56 and 300BLK lengths.

* Note- Federal law does not all for the use of a VFG on a pistol.

https://shop.bravocompanymfg.com/BravoCompanyMFG-BCM-AR15-Pistols-s/107.htm

https://78.media.tumblr.com/d46f83d5128e9a180a16c4aa24fc7115/tumblr_pfsu8mvcHN1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg


https://78.media.tumblr.com/efe2602cb9098ab107f0e91067ed9f24/tumblr_pfsu9jMSa31rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

RobertTheTexan
09-29-18, 01:12
It’s a legitimate configuration for the AR platform, and SB Tactical makes some great braces. Certainly a lot easier to travel across a state line with a pistol than an SBR and waiting for a brace to arrive via USPS is oddly enough faster than waiting for stamp approval ATF. ;)

MistWolf
09-29-18, 13:47
I have an SBA3 equipped pistol and an SBR. The SBA3 pistol isn't the perfect substitute for an SBR, but it will do.

MeanCarbine
11-25-18, 14:58
These must be hot ticket items. I can't find a BCM RECCE-11 MCMR-ELW (SBA3) pistol in stock anywhere.

thegreyman
02-24-19, 19:56
Nice.

MegademiC
02-24-19, 21:06
I just saw this, and its cool. Will they offer the lowers only (complete).

Side question, is the gunfighter forgrip (looks like a skewed vfg) considered a vfg or afg to atf?
In other words, is it allowed on a 11.5” barreled pistol?

Wake27
02-24-19, 21:33
I just saw this, and its cool. Will they offer the lowers only (complete).

Side question, is the gunfighter forgrip (looks like a skewed vfg) considered a vfg or afg to atf?
In other words, is it allowed on a 11.5” barreled pistol?

Grant has BCM lowers with SBA3s in stock right now. Only black though.


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26 Inf
02-24-19, 22:23
I haven't shot an AR15 from my shoulder for over a decade. My AR15 is almost centered on my chest on the edge of my collar bone, and a crude measuring tape puts that over 5-1/2" away from my shoulder.

With the above in mind, I have been working room clearing drills, and taking the BCM AR pistol out and about for different activities. It doesn't take much imagination to quickly see the AR pistol works as well as a SBR. The SB Tactical SBA3 brace is comfortable, and adjustable for length.

Peace be with you.

I also mount more to the center line of my chest and pretty high, I routinely come in from and extended session with marks on my neck - I focus on head erect so eyes center in socket, bring the gun/sights to the eyes, not the eyes to the sight. So I get what you are saying about mounting.

Is your thought that a 'chest mount' would be legit with a brace?

I generally shoot my pistol AR(s) with the two point sling adjusted to stop my arms just shy of full extension - essential the Phil Singleton technique for CQB which was taught by HK.

Have you experimented with this method? I like it even better with a RDS than I did with the MP5 diopter sites.

We may disagree about LaRue, but you sure did take a nice picture her for the BCM pistol. Made my screensaver.

Stickman
02-26-19, 19:27
I just saw this, and its cool. Will they offer the lowers only (complete).

Side question, is the gunfighter forgrip (looks like a skewed vfg) considered a vfg or afg to atf?
In other words, is it allowed on a 11.5” barreled pistol?

My understanding is the lowers are, or will be offered by themselves.

The BCM skewed grip is NOT straight, so it does not meet the definition of a VFG. HOWEVER, from Pauls own lips, it has NOT been sent to BATF for approval.

Stickman
02-26-19, 19:28
Grant has BCM lowers with SBA3s in stock right now. Only black though.


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I think you can get any color you want as long as its black....

Stickman
02-26-19, 19:43
Peace be with you.

I also mount more to the center line of my chest and pretty high, I routinely come in from and extended session with marks on my neck - I focus on head erect so eyes center in socket, bring the gun/sights to the eyes, not the eyes to the sight. So I get what you are saying about mounting.

Is your thought that a 'chest mount' would be legit with a brace?

I generally shoot my pistol AR(s) with the two point sling adjusted to stop my arms just shy of full extension - essential the Phil Singleton technique for CQB which was taught by HK.

Have you experimented with this method? I like it even better with a RDS than I did with the MP5 diopter sites.

We may disagree about LaRue, but you sure did take a nice picture her for the BCM pistol. Made my screensaver.

I believe as an instructor, that the wording on "shouldering" is very specific. We are at a point in the law, especially with BATF, that wording is a dance. A VFG is only a VFG if it is a 90 degree angle. Alter it, and it is no longer a VFG and it is legal. BATF won't say by how much, but from what I've gathered, if it was 89 degrees, they wouldn't touch it because it isn't vertical.

26I, one of the things you will notice is that I do NOT always lock down who said what, or where my info comes from. That is for a variety of reasons, and while it understand it upsets you with some things like Larue, it doesn't change that I'm stating factual information in a manner that I need to. With the above comments, some of the information is gleaned from credible sources who simple don't want their name used. People who know me, and have been reading my stuff since the start of the mainstream internet know what I post is credible. The people who don't, I can't worry about as there will always be doubters.

Regarding a sling, I don't typically shoot with one, though the MP5 style is an exception at times and precision work is another. One of the things to remember is that Phil and others back when the infamous raid went down (blessings be upon the assaulters and their deeds), that they were unable to use iron sights due to their masks. By punching out in that manner, the masks were able to be used and the sights were again visible. Nowadays its in vogue to wear a beard to be high speed. I still shun that as I have never been much of anything other than an assaulter. I've never been a hearts and minds guy. While we aren't using masks much at all in raids currently overseas, it doesn't change that some of us still train with masks. End of rant.

Back to your question about the sling and RDS very iron sights, it is very much more effective with a red dot. There is not a doubt in my military mind the red dot is the way to go. Even guys with great eyes who love iron sights can't argue that in dissimilar lighting that iron sights are not visible, meaning the red dot is the only way to play.

I think I covered everything, but if I missed a question let me know. Regarding the Larue stuff, I'm not worried about it. If you had the same information and experiences that I have, I have no doubt where you would stand. You haven't, so I don't let it bother me. I don't think you are one of the paid shills.

I'm glad you like the image, its one I enjoy as well.

Pi3
03-05-19, 15:15
1. Any word on the bcm lower being offered on the SBA4 brace. Isn't it going to be available later this year?
2. Do gen 3 pmags work ok in your pistol?