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TED
10-11-18, 20:00
I wish there was a frame for the browning hi-power made to use UN-modified Beretta 92 mags, specifically the 18rd mec-gar mags.

Is this something that would be of interest to anyone else?

TED
Arik
10-11-18, 20:17
Nope. Plenty of HiPower mags available. And I don't really care to play the ammo capacity game. 15rd mcgar mags are just fine

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TED
10-12-18, 00:56
Well consider then that Beretta mags are FAR more abundant than Hi-Power mags, if you are not concerned with having more than 15rd it is even much more so, and there are tons of surplus Beretta mags too. Also, you could share mags between this new variant and carbines. I am not aware of any carbine that uses hi-power mags.

I really do think it is an amazing idea.

TED
gaijin
10-12-18, 05:10
Nope. Plenty of HiPower mags available. And I don't really care to play the ammo capacity game. 15rd mcgar mags are just fine

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This.

m92 mags for the P-35 will never happen.
Re-engineering a discontinued firearm would be a losing proposition. Stock up on MecGar 15 rounders.
Circle_10
10-12-18, 05:40
If one were going to re-engineer the Hi Power to utilize a different magazine it might as well be Glock magazines. Proven design, widely available, affordable and there are very high capacity options, and if you wanted carbine commonality there are more carbines on the market right now using Glock mags than there are Beretta mags.

That doesn't mean I think this is a good idea, I'm just saying if you were going to do it.....
Arik
10-12-18, 06:55
Well consider then that Beretta mags are FAR more abundant than Hi-Power mags, if you are not concerned with having more than 15rd it is even much more so, and there are tons of surplus Beretta mags too. Also, you could share mags between this new variant and carbines. I am not aware of any carbine that uses hi-power mags.

I really do think it is an amazing idea.

TEDI have no interest in PCC. And those I'd like to have, the mp5 and Scorpion, take proprietary mags anyway. Besides if PCC is your goal then you may as well stick to Glock mags since those are far far more popular than Beretta.

Far more how? What are the numbers we're comparing? Millions to millions? It like comparing Beretta to Glock. Glock mags are far more abundant but that doesn't exactly make Beretta mags hard to find. Hell even the long out of production S&W 5906 still have easily available mags.

When was the last time you had trouble finding HiPower mags? Counting each mag Beretta might make more..... might. But the HiPower has been in production since the mid 30s and has been an issued firearms in several dozen countries for most of that time. Brits were the last ones to drop it about a decade ago. That's not to mention civilian sales and mcgar aftermarket. May as well be arguing who makes more mags Glock or Beretta!?!? If cramming in every last round is that important to you then why not go with the 19 round OEM CZ shadow mags or skip all that and jump straight to Glock. Glock mags are going to be by far the most common for both handgun and PCC.

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czgunner
10-12-18, 08:01
I thought I remember reading that guys used to slightly modify the Beretta mags with a notch to lock into the Hi Power.
You can also find the Mecgar 18 round mags floating around.
1986s4
10-12-18, 10:11
I can live with the magazines. But if we're redesigning the BHP then let's give it a decent grip tang/beavertail and lose the magazine disconnect.
jsbhike
10-12-18, 10:13
I thought I remember reading that guys used to slightly modify the Beretta mags with a notch to lock into the Hi Power.
You can also find the Mecgar 18 round mags floating around.

I think it may be possible, but maybe not 100% reliable with all magazines. I have read it was maybe better to adapt Smith & Wesson 59 magazines since the P35 was more of an inspiration for those.

I am all about saving money, but I can't imagine anyone tooling up to make a pistol for a target audience that wants to buy a used $15 magazine(with some floating around with feeding issues due to a bad spec) so they can avoid a brand new high quality magazine for $23/$24 and all of it centering around 2 pistols that are on the downward slope of sales.

http://gregcotellc.com/cart/browning-mecgar-magazines-c-121/
TED
10-12-18, 12:52
I agree with you on that.
Business_Casual
10-12-18, 19:07
I would not hire you to do product development for me.
TED
10-12-18, 19:40
I would not hire you to do product development for me.

Well, that is good for both of us since my background is more in professional destruction anyways.

I was just fantasizing and thinking out loud and getting some feedback. No need to be a jerk about it.

TED
Arik
10-12-18, 19:45
I think if u want a more modern HiPower with higher mag capacity.....CZ75

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MountainRaven
10-12-18, 21:01
I would frankly rather see 18-20+ round magazines for the Hi-Power than a Hi-Power that takes Beretta magazines.

Unless you've invested in a boatload of Beretta 92 mags, what's the point?
TED
10-12-18, 22:43
I think if u want a more modern HiPower with higher mag capacity.....CZ75

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That actually is a really excellent point.

TED
Circle_10
10-13-18, 03:36
I would frankly rather see 18-20+ round magazines for the Hi-Power than a Hi-Power that takes Beretta magazines.

Unless you've invested in a boatload of Beretta 92 mags, what's the point?

Back some years ago I think there were some surplus 17 and 20 rounders kicking around the US market, I think they were from Argentina and/or South Africa but I can't quite recall.

Mec Gar apparently did make a 20 rounder as well, with the part # MGBRHP20B, but it seems like it's a discontinued item as it's not listed on their current website and is out of stock everywhere else it is listed.
Must not have been a big seller.
I have heard that the Mec Gar 15rd mags are less reliable than the standard 13s. Something about the follower design changes necessary to get two extra rounds in the same space IIRC. I think the follower can tilt or something. I have one Mec Gar 15rd but haven't used it enough to provide any first-hand reports of issues, I don't shoot my Hi Power much and when I do I tend to use the 13s.
jsbhike
10-13-18, 19:13
KRD

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/krd_17%20Round%209mm%20Hi%20Power%20Magazines.htm


13 VS.15......although several years back

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/mec-gar%209mm%20Hi%20Power%20magazines%2013%20vs%2015%20shot.htm
dwhitehorne
10-14-18, 13:19
CDNN had the KRD mags for a while years ago. I had a few. They were basically a parkerized Hi power mag body with a thinner metal follower and a plus two extension to get the 17 rounds in them. The few I had never worked great with 17 rounds in them. Downloading them a round or two and they were okay. Seeing as you can get 15 round Mecgars brand new I don't see why one would want 92 mags. Mecgar makes mags for all of the pistols mentioned in this thread anyway. David
MountainRaven
10-14-18, 15:28
Back some years ago I think there were some surplus 17 and 20 rounders kicking around the US market, I think they were from Argentina and/or South Africa but I can't quite recall.

Mec Gar apparently did make a 20 rounder as well, with the part # MGBRHP20B, but it seems like it's a discontinued item as it's not listed on their current website and is out of stock everywhere else it is listed.
Must not have been a big seller.
I have heard that the Mec Gar 15rd mags are less reliable than the standard 13s. Something about the follower design changes necessary to get two extra rounds in the same space IIRC. I think the follower can tilt or something. I have one Mec Gar 15rd but haven't used it enough to provide any first-hand reports of issues, I don't shoot my Hi Power much and when I do I tend to use the 13s.

I seem to recall reading that FBI HRT had 20-round magazines for their 9mm Hi-Powers. Which makes it all the more unfortunate that MecGar doesn't make the 20-round magazines any more.
basinbear
10-31-18, 10:33
SAS used 20 rounders, too. You can make them out in some of the photos from from the Iranian Embassy raid.
Norseman
10-31-18, 11:33
I like the hi-power but, not sure what this would really bring to the table. 18 rds. vs 15 rds? Juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze in my humble nobody opinion.

If I was sitting on a glut of Beretta mags I would probably just find a Beretta to stick them into. There are a number of better options today if capacity is the end game.