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Midwest Industries

10-15-18, 10:39

Midwest Industries Combat Sights

These back up iron sights are constructed of an aluminum base and clamp with a stainless helicoil and steel clamp screw.
The post is constructed of phosphate finished ordnance grade steel.

These sights lock with no button required and have a positive click duel spring locking detent that prevent them from moving even under recoil.

These sights use a standard post and there for can be swapped to a night sight or any other front post you like.

The rear is a single size aperture that is between the peep sizes on a standard carry handle.

When purchased as a set a steel front sight tool is included.

Introductory pricing on these sights as a set are $149.95

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Combat-Rifle-Sight-Set-p/mi-crs-set.htm

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/v/vspfiles/photos/MI-CRS-SET-2T.jpg

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/v/vspfiles/photos/MI-CRS-SET-3T.jpg

Stickman

10-15-18, 12:00

Midwest Industries was nice enough to send me a pre-release pair. The different from these, as compared to the previous MI sights is night and day. The previous set was primarily aluminum, and folded into an upright position easily, but had a small hard to reach (with gloves or cold hands) button to lay flat. The new ones have a better windage adjustment knob, are steel in the important part, and use a detent to lock up and down, meaning being hit with enough force will drop them out of lock so as not to break or bend. The new ones adjust with a standard adjustment tool, which MI send with the pair.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/4d9d96a2f3924a7301bd569209f5df04/tumblr_pg1po6Se6E1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

Stickman

10-15-18, 12:02

I also believe the newer sights lay flatter than the old MI BUIS, and most others on the market. Below is a pic showing how low it is when laying flat.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/3b0cfacc7ae682b06bd1d815d769b9fc/tumblr_pg5d6wkRS81rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg

Hammer_Man

10-15-18, 20:14

I like the fact that they use steel construction for the posts. Are these machined and finished in the USA?

Midwest Industries

10-15-18, 20:25

I like the fact that they use steel construction for the posts. Are these machined and finished in the USA?

Yes 100 percent Made in USA
Thanks
Troy.

Tx_Aggie

10-15-18, 21:06

Very nice! You guys are on a roll as of late. I see a set of these sights and one of your combat rails in my future.

uffdaphil

10-15-18, 23:56

I just discovered a problem with BUIS mounting an optic (Steiner M536) with short eye relief. With only the rearmost slot available for the rear sight the charging handle collides with the sides of the sight. A Matech solved that problem, but is so bulky and high in the fore section. This MI looks to be a better solution. Now finding the $$$ is the only issue.

Badger52

10-16-18, 09:58

Looking good there Midwest. I really like the look of this rear & can appreciate the middle-ground approach as to aperture. (After all, it's a backup system & something's gone south if I'm ripping off the optic.) Small detail question, if someone has one to measure: Inside diameter of the rear aperture?

Midwest Industries

10-16-18, 12:10

Badger52

10-16-18, 13:21

.145 diameter
thanks
Troy
MI

Awesome, thank you!

BillB

10-17-18, 17:23

Well, I'm currently waiting on my combat rail so I guess I have to have the combat sights to go on top.
Seriously, they look great and the specs sound good too. Someone else said "you guys are on a roll", I agree, and I like it. Keep on keeping on brothers.

Midwest Industries

10-17-18, 18:58

CPM

10-17-18, 19:12

That’s an ambitious price point, especially when you consider the exceedingly saturated market.

Midwest Industries

10-17-18, 19:39

We based the price on the scale of production as we knew this is a very competitive market.We build these in very large numbers .The quality of the parts and materials however is second to none. We have been building sights for over 10 years and have a year into this project . These sights will not disappoint.
Troy

Stickman

10-17-18, 20:45

That’s an ambitious price point, especially when you consider the exceedingly saturated market.

I'm pretty sure it is cheaper than the older generation of MI sights, and those have sold well.

Midwest Industries

10-22-18, 06:00

I'm pretty sure it is cheaper than the older generation of MI sights, and those have sold well.

Stick you are correct . These sights are quite a bit less money than our first models.
thanks
Troy

BillB

10-22-18, 17:31

You were correct. I did get my rail today and I'm very, very pleased. It's my first MI rail. I guess I SHOULD try the new sights as well.

Midwest Industries

10-22-18, 19:13

You were correct. I did get my rail today and I'm very, very pleased. It's my first MI rail. I guess I SHOULD try the new sights as well.

Thanks we’re glad your happy . You will love the sights as well :cool:

Troy
MI

Renegade04

10-22-18, 20:42

I may have to get a set to mount on a new build I did with the new MI Combat Rail handguard. :)

Midwest Industries

10-23-18, 06:35

I may have to get a set to mount on a new build I did with the new MI Combat Rail handguard. :)

They would be a great addition to your set up.
Troy
MI

Renegade04

10-23-18, 08:30

They would be a great addition to your set up.
Troy
MI

Just ordered the set. :)

17K

10-23-18, 10:23

Midwest Industries

10-23-18, 11:03

Looks a lot like a KAC Micro. Hopefully product improved as they pretty junky as far as buis go.

I don't understand why the thumbwheel for windage adjust. The A1 mechanism was a lot more low profile and can't be knocked out of adjustment.

Given the space we had to work with the steel windage knob was the best solution. The rear is only .380 high in the center so its extremely low profile . The sight can not be easily knocked out of adjustment the clicks are very crisp and positive.

Troy
MI

Renegade04

10-23-18, 12:07

Given the space we had to work with the steel windage knob was the best solution. The rear is only .380 high in the center so its extremely low profile . The sight can not be easily knocked out of adjustment the clicks are very crisp and positive.

Troy
MI

The A2 type of adjustment wheel only makes sense. When the need arises to make an adjustment, it is simple and easier that an A1 type sight wheel. I am certainly looking forward to receiving my set of sights. I have already received the tracking number. You guys are quick as usual. That is one reason I have been buying good quality products from MI for over 10 years. One of my first builds (back in 2008) features several MI goodies.

Midwest Industries 2 Piece Free Float Full Length Forearm (MCTAR-22)
Midwest Industries Same Plane Low Profile Flip Rear Sight (MCT-SPLP)
Midwest Industries Flip Front Sight, Forearm Rail Model (MCTAR-FFR)
Midwest Industries Heavy Duty Quick Detach Front Sling Adapter for Rails (MCTAR-08HD)
Midwest Industries HD Quick Detach Sling Swivel

https://i.imgur.com/skyOvgS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dvNjLnS.jpg

Renegade04

10-25-18, 16:52

I received my new MI Combat Sights this afternoon. I like these things. They are sturdy and lock up very well. The profile is perfect for my setup. Good job MI. Here are the pics.

https://i.imgur.com/2JfJK0V.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C08K6fv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VjiKv2L.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pQkIJ9D.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9XL0POO.jpg

Midwest Industries

10-26-18, 19:15

Renegade04

10-26-18, 20:54

Thanks for sharing your photos and thoughts.
Troy
MI

My pleasure. :)

Jonnyt16

10-27-18, 10:55

Those sights look hot. Especially the rear.

Midwest Industries

10-28-18, 07:30

Just a FYI. Offset versions in the works. They will be ambi. More info to be released in the next few weeks .
Troy.
MI

Mustang31

10-28-18, 09:05

Just a FYI. Offset versions in the works. They will be ambi. More info to be released in the next few weeks .
Troy.
MI

Now you have my attention.

Can’t wait to see the offering.

Canonshooter

10-30-18, 06:49

Those sights look hot. Especially the rear.

Agreed. I'm pairing the rear with a fixed PRI front (https://www.precisionreflex.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1285655&CAT=4292).

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Midwest Industries

10-30-18, 10:39

Agreed. I'm pairing the rear with a fixed PRI front (https://www.precisionreflex.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1285655&CAT=4292).

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They work even better than they look. :cool:

Canonshooter

10-30-18, 12:45

They work even better than they look. :cool:

Kudos on these sights! The set is nice, but it's the rear that is exactly what I was looking for.

I ran a KAC 200-600 micro for a while, another excellent sight, but the small aperture wasn't the best for up-close-and-fast work. The 300 version is tempting, but the .2" aperture is too large IMO (and I'm not a fan of the plastic insert).

I think you got it right with the .145" aperture, solid detents and steel post. I'm betting that size aperture will work well with the full shroud of the PRI, providing a very intuitive circle-in-a-circle sight picture for close to medium range work. The set is going on a 16" BCM mid length with their 13" KMR handguard, which provides just over 18 inches of sight radius with the current DD fixed sights.

I'll post photos once the sights arrive and are installed.

Moshjath

11-03-18, 14:03

Any chance y’all will offer a an HK hooded style version of the front sight in the future?

Jonnyt16

11-03-18, 15:36

Any chance y’all will offer a an HK hooded style version of the front sight in the future?
That would be nice. There needs to be more hooded options out there.

drtywk

11-03-18, 17:49

Just a FYI. Offset versions in the works. They will be ambi. More info to be released in the next few weeks .
Troy.
MI

Please make the mounts as low profile as possible. I like the MBUS Pro Offsets, but the rails grabber sits too high for some applications. The original KAC ones were ideal.

Midwest Industries

11-04-18, 07:17

Our offset models sit extremely low.
Thanks
Troy

Canonshooter

11-06-18, 05:37

The sights are mounted and initial impressions are positive.

The MI rear sight locks into position very positively, the strong detents holding the post secure. Windage clicks are crisp and the adjustment knob seems just right in terms of size: large enough to be able to turn with ungloved fingers, yet small and firm enough to avoid unintended operation. Fit and finish is good and over all, it feels and operates like a high quality sight. I very much appreciate the simple yet effective design paired with excellent mechanical quality.

Before removing the sighted-in DD fixed sights this new set is replacing, I took some measurements with a set of calipers, including height from rail to the top of the post on the front sight. Transferring that measurement to the PRI sight, the top of the post ends up .045" below the center of the circular hood opening. The I.D. of the hood is .600" leaving .345" over the top of the post. Though the tip of the post is not absolute dead-center in the hood opening, it's almost imperceptible (and not the least bit distracting) when using the sights.

The single .145" aperture of the MI rear works well with the .600" I.D. hood of the PRI front sight, leaving plenty of daylight to easily concentrically-align them. I find my focus drawn to the front sight post and with the "concentric circles" intuitively aligned using peripheral vision, this sight arrangement seems faster and more precise vs. the traditional A2-style sight picture. I'll be putting that observation to a range test soon.

At this point I am encouraged these sights will work as I had planned: provide an increase in speed and precision. In the mean time I'll grab some photos of the sights and post them.

Canonshooter

11-07-18, 09:36

The MI rear Combat Sight. Simple yet effective design, impressive construction. I'm looing forward to hitting the range with the new sights!

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pubb

11-07-18, 11:11

intuitively aligned using peripheral vision

When in the sighting process do you use peripheral vision? I am confused by this...

Canonshooter

11-07-18, 12:28

When in the sighting process do you use peripheral vision? I am confused by this...

The post is the focal point of concentration, not the hood. For me, I can "hard focus" on the post and easily see the hood, but the hood is not the focus of my concentration.

Perhaps the better term would be near-peripheral vision - something that can be seen but is not focused on.

pubb

11-07-18, 13:41

Ok, so just to be clear: you are focused on the post, and defocussed on the hood. The hood is in a circle of confusion or a blur disk.

Peripheral vision refers to the edges of the field of view. Even if you are tunnel-visioned on the post, the periphery is still to your sides, regardless of whether it's in focus or not.

The post is the focal point of concentration, not the hood. For me, I can "hard focus" on the post and easily see the hood, but the hood is not the focus of my concentration.

Perhaps the better term would be near-peripheral vision - something that can be seen but is not focused on.

Canonshooter

11-07-18, 17:31

Ok, so just to be clear: you are focused on the post, and defocussed on the hood. The hood is in a circle of confusion or a blur disk.

Correct. Sorry for the confusion.

pubb

11-08-18, 07:50

No need for apologies. I appreciate the informative post and just wanted to clarify.

Correct. Sorry for the confusion.