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These have been in the works but are finally ready. The company bought 10,000 kits and invested in their own stamping and welding equipment. Furniture is made from Nylon 66. Barrels are hammer forged nitride 1x7 twist.
There are two models available. The first is a standard model with iron sights. The other is a model with a short railed section welded to the top of the reciever.
The guns look good and feel solid. I'm anxious to get my hands on one. It will be a nice addition to anyone's militaria collection. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181202/7101f874a6329fad60813cb02cc74164.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181202/84cdaf056dd9aed21da9ece9b280fde9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181202/5ed390c130993187fa25d62bd0102d83.jpg
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https://youtu.be/wgu1jq48u0w
https://youtu.be/d6uidnP--RQ
MountainRaven
12-02-18, 00:10
Neat. Too bad the military rifles have such a poor reputation.
ETA:
Forgotten Weapons video showing (the military rifle) disassembly with some light history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLAfqI8DHjY
Neat. Too bad the military rifles have such a poor reputation.
Yeah. Hopefully this clone won't be so authentic that it is unreliable...
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Not the exact gun being discussed. But still an interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzlYUcfqG08
Not the exact gun being discussed. But still an interesting video.
YzlYUcfqG08
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Cool, now I just need a CETME Ameli to go with it.
Cool, now I just need a CETME Ameli to go with it.
YES! Even in semi with a closed bolt the Ameli would be very interesting!!
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curtmini14
12-03-18, 07:51
there just to dam heavy compared to everything else aval.
there just to dam heavy compared to everything else aval.Which? The CETME L or the Ameli?
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there just to dam heavy compared to everything else aval.
If you're looking at it from an "operator" standpoint, then there are certainly better options which is why they're no longer made. On the other hand, if you're looking at it from a collector standpoint like me, then this is a piece of history that would be nice to have in a collection.
If you're looking at it from an "operator" standpoint, then there are certainly better options which is why they're no longer made. On the other hand, if you're looking at it from a collector standpoint like me, then this is a piece of history that would be nice to have in a collection.
Absolutely!
As an "I only have money for one rifle" kind of deal, the CETME wouldn't be a good choice at all. The rifle is priced at the higher end of the AR market and will have little or no aftermarket support. Spare parts are also likely to be an issue once the various parts kits dry up.
But as a collector piece or just a rifle to own BECAUSE it isn't an AR, the CETME is likely to be a good choice. The guns will be fairly limited in production numbers and will no doubt be fun to own just from a novelty/unique design point. That's why I'm interested.
Preorders are being taken. It sounds like the first guns should be shipping this month or early next.
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Interesting, but I think I'll wait for the first reliability reports. Just having kits isn't enough to make reliable stamped rollerlocks.
Interesting, but I think I'll wait for the first reliability reports. Just having kits isn't enough to make reliable stamped rollerlocks.No. I agree. With that said;
According to Mr. Bane, he spent quite a bit of time analyzing bolt velocities with a high speed camera in order to get proper springs made and help ensure reliability is good.
I don't have any MarColMar products but he has a good rep for doing quality stuff. If these guns were being produced by Century I'd not be so optimistic.
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Dave at MarColMar has a track record of doing things correctly. I would not hesitate to buy from him without waiting on reports.
call_me_ski
12-07-18, 10:40
I had an HMG that I sold due to some issues. I sent it back because it arrived with a frozen front sight post, a partially seized charging handle, problems with the Cerakote finish and they burned through the receiver welding so there was weld bead on the outside of the receiver where there shouldn’t be. They agreed to grind off the weld where it shouldn’t be(I felt that a new receiver would have been the correct fix) and fix the other issues. When I got it back I could no longer get magazines in and out as it seemed like they clamped it in a vice on the magwell and a new barely visible indention in the magazine well that was below the new finish(so it did not happened in shipping) So back it went. It was better when it returned but not as it was when I first received it and you could still see a slight indention on the side of the mag well.
After all that it went bye bye. I still have an L and LC kit that I kept telling myself I was going to build. For all it’s quirks these guns handled well. I will gladly buy another assuming it is built correctly.
Copied off TOS regarding mags and mag well specs. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/987c04e6d3649d464d401b8c1793226d.jpg
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A few other random pics I've found posted elsewhere. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181212/fa9ba79fffd71a03dbe81423bcf25519.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181212/0575c1789b8e1aa155087ccfa3b7eea3.jpg
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A couple more. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181212/fc5d03074840cf00894f029b075772d5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181212/dde0ad571ca6cfd0ae776af26318b3cb.jpg
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Any word on price? The color options have me intrigued.
Black w/green furniture, green w/black furniture, all green, all back, tan w/black furniture, black w/tan furniture. It might be a really deep rabbit hole.
Any word on price?
Looks like these are running $1400 or so.
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Looks like these are running $1400 or so.
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Not bad. If they seem to be reliable I might get one or half a dozen.
Looks like these are running $1400 or so.
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Where? I'm not seeing anyone with actual stock.
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Where? I'm not seeing anyone with actual stock.
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I spoke with Dave at MarColMar today. I believe these will be excellent rifles. The design work, QC/QA, and testing that went into these is impressive. I know one of the other guys involved in this project and to say he is meticulous is an understatement. These are going to be fantastic.
Dave is reporting that the first batch of 200 rifles is pre-sold and should be shipping soon. Another batch should be in the works shortly. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181221/18c02ee15e8d45db00c07044bffa9673.jpg
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The shipment of gun locks for the first batch of 200 rifles has not arrived as expected. This is causing a shipping delay. It sounds like as soon as the locks are received the guns will go out.
Next batch of 400 will follow.
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ODgreenpizza
12-27-18, 13:41
The shipment of gun locks for the first batch of 200 rifles has not arrived as expected. This is causing a shipping delay. It sounds like as soon as the locks are received the guns will go out.
Next batch of 400 will follow.
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Thank you for the updates. Do you know if MARCOLMAR has a presence on another forum or where one might go to get more info about this project and platform?
Do you know if MARCOLMAR has a presence on another forum...?
Mr. Bane has a long thread on militaryfirearm.com about this project.
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http://www.semiuk59.com/distribution.html
Does anyone know what the relationship is between Marcolmar and the distributor?
ODgreenpizza
01-14-19, 21:05
There is a guy on TOS who said he was contacted today for final payment and his rifle was supposed to ship Friday. I guess their locks cleared customs.
There is a guy on TOS who said he was contacted today for final payment and his rifle was supposed to ship Friday. I guess their locks cleared customs.
Cool. Hopefully that means the first batch of 200 will ship soon.
Marcolmar apparently shipped 23 rifles yesterday. The next shipment(s) will commence following SHOT.
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Our first review hits the web.
https://youtu.be/OuXXEUE0O5o
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A Hill & Mac gun:
https://youtu.be/9UtXh7FIbQI
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https://youtu.be/AH5mu2EfcUw
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Rifles ready to ship. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190203/7c0b1d0ea45a5a5dc12028252b526b20.jpg
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MorphCross
02-03-19, 15:53
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That is an inspired use of a fixture for long handled lawn tools. And a thing of beauty...:D
ramairthree
02-03-19, 18:34
Very interesting.
Not a gun I have any time with and had barely know the existence of before.
This has been a ton of info.
If only it functioned great with just plain AR mags....
Very interesting.
If only it functioned great with just plain AR mags....
I thought that Marcolmar made this to run with USGI mags?
ramairthree
02-03-19, 19:56
I thought that Marcolmar made this to run with USGI mags?
I am not familiar enough to say for certain,
they are AR mag compatible- and were designed that way,
But there seems to have been, both in one of the videos here and by vague memory,
Less than optimal function with standard AR mags vs some very slightly different ones made just for them.
Anyone with better info please chime in.
It would be cool to get one.
I like getting different issue guns as a hobbyist/collector.
Or if I am a fan of the maker.
(Both reasons I have an ARX, HKs, SIG, etc.)
But if the function seen in the video is typical, I will probably pass.
I am not familiar enough to say for certain,
they are AR mag compatible- and were designed that way,
But there seems to have been, both in one of the videos here and by vague memory,
Less than optimal function with standard AR mags vs some very slightly different ones made just for them.
Anyone with better info please chime in.
It would be cool to get one.
I like getting different issue guns as a hobbyist/collector.
Or if I am a fan of the maker.
(Both reasons I have an ARX, HKs, SIG, etc.)
But if the function seen in the video is typical, I will probably pass.
Probably can't judge the Marcolmar rifle by the Hill & Mac rifle anymore than you can judge a DSA FAL by a Century Arms build. But the initial double feeds on the Marc rifle were troubling to me and I don't buy into "break in periods" for any firearm. I do wonder if it was cleaned prior to shooting or just straight to the range out of the box.
At any rate, it seems like a finicky rifle that is very magazine particular and that just doesn't interest me. Wouldn't put up with it from a CAI Tantal for $399, certainly am not going to deal with it for a rifle that costs more than $1000.
Wouldn't put up with it from a CAI Tantal for $399, certainly am not going to deal with it for a rifle that costs more than $1000.
I agree. Some of this is probably the nature of the beast when combining new reverse-engineered parts with old surplus parts. Especially when the old surplus parts might not be known to be of highest tolerances to begin with.
Still, I am interested in these rifles and will likely pick one up after I've seen a few more range reports. If the majority of the guns run fine out of the box and/or MarColMar will warranty anything that's problematic I think the rifle will be a fun and unusual range toy.
https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/product/cetme-l-rifle-gr-marcolmar-14.jpg
I am not familiar enough to say for certain,
they are AR mag compatible- and were designed that way,
But there seems to have been, both in one of the videos here and by vague memory,
Less than optimal function with standard AR mags vs some very slightly different ones made just for them.
Anyone with better info please chime in.
It would be cool to get one.
I like getting different issue guns as a hobbyist/collector.
Or if I am a fan of the maker.
(Both reasons I have an ARX, HKs, SIG, etc.)
But if the function seen in the video is typical, I will probably pass.
In one of the videos from SHOT 2019 the owner of MARCOLMAR specifically states that they have redone and tweaked the mag well to be more compatable with AR mags. Now, whether taht is limited to just USGI style or Pmag style or what I do not know.
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I agree. Some of this is probably the nature of the beast when combining new reverse-engineered parts with old surplus parts. Especially when the old surplus parts might not be known to be of highest tolerances to begin with.
Still, I am interested in these rifles and will likely pick one up after I've seen a few more range reports. If the majority of the guns run fine out of the box and/or MarColMar will warranty anything that's problematic I think the rifle will be a fun and unusual range toy.
https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/product/cetme-l-rifle-gr-marcolmar-14.jpg
I think the design itself is overly complex and limited. It's not really a CETME scaled down to 5.56 in the same way a HK33 is a scaled down G3. And for the life of me I can't understand why.
Why is the recoil spring deep inside the buttstock? Why is the trigger group needlessly complicated? I understand the need to go with a new direction on the magazine well to accept STANAG magazines but lots of things simply don't make sense. HK was born at CETME, I guess when the Mauser engineers left to work at HK the Spanish started making design ideas that simply weren't practical.
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1046
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I think the design itself is overly complex and limited. It's not really a CETME scaled down to 5.56 in the same way a HK33 is a scaled down G3. And for the life of me I can't understand why.
Why is the recoil spring deep inside the buttstock? Why is the trigger group needlessly complicated? I understand the need to go with a new direction on the magazine well to accept STANAG magazines but lots of things simply don't make sense. HK was born at CETME, I guess when the Mauser engineers left to work at HK the Spanish started making design ideas that simply weren't practical.
In that same shot show 2019 video I referred to above the owner of MARCOLMAR mentions that the CETME L was actually designed as a 5.56 (though needing refinement which MARCOLMAR has done) whereas the HK 33 was not. The HK 33 he says was not designed from the ground up as 5.56 but was adapted from the 7.62 NATO.
Here is the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZPHyRQSPhQ
In that same shot show 2019 video I referred to above the owner of MARCOLMAR mentions that the CETME L was actually designed as a 5.56 (though needing refinement which MARCOLMAR has done) whereas the HK 33 was not. The HK 33 he says was not designed from the ground up as 5.56 but was adapted from the 7.62 NATO.
Here is the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZPHyRQSPhQ
True. What I'm saying is the CETME L would have been better off if they just scaled down the .308 rifle like HK did.
ramairthree
02-05-19, 17:56
Hmmm.
The review article is the opposite of my vague recollection that is was made for AR mags as a NATO standard, but worked better with proprietary ones.
According to this, it prefers AR mags.
So, what was the function issue in the video?
If this thing ran like a Swiss watch I would order one.
...been better off if they just scaled down the .308 rifle like HK did.
Maybe. Although weren't many of the problems related to poor quality control with the ammo and the mags?
Maybe. Although weren't many of the problems related to poor quality control with the ammo and the mags?
Honestly, I don't know and don't know a lot about this particular rifle. But given what I know about the HK series and original CETME's, they seem to have done a lot of convoluted stuff that doesn't make any kind of sense. As a for example, why on earth would you not maintain a swing down trigger group?
The thing I find the most interesting is how much lighter the CETME L is than an HK33. What did CETME change to knock over a pound off compared to the HK33?
I'd like to know how they dropped the weight as well. I have a Zenith Z43 SBR that runs like a champ, but it's a heavy beast.
In stock at Atlantic:
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/cetme-l-rifle-gr-marcolmar
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Still need a sling.
Vickers green AK sling or used Spanish surplus? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190413/10c7465f5d9ba4a0705c5544279383ec.jpg
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ramairthree
04-15-19, 18:31
Sweet.
Wall hanging collector piece/range toy-
Surplus
Go to or back up Carbine-
Vickers
Sweet.
Wall hanging collector piece/range toy-
Surplus
Go to or back up Carbine-
VickersI might take the arfcom approach and "buy both."
Maybe Blue Force Gear will have a sale over the Easter weekend.
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I found what I believe is the correct sling off eBay.
This is a CETME B/C/L sling I won at auction Wednesday. The seller shipped it priority and it was actually waiting for me in my PO box this morning.
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I sighted the rifle in this morning at 50 yards using the last few rounds of surplus Malaysian 55gr ball I had. The rifle was surprisingly accurate especially given the trigger. Very much a heavy gritty trigger not unlike most staple guns.
After getting a 50 yard zero I took the rifle to the silhouette range. I was able to hit the pig, chicken and turkey but couldn't get a hit on the ram before I ran out of ammo.
Hopefully here soon I'll get the rifle back on the range and see what kind of groups I can get off the bench at 100 yards.
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OK Tokarev, you convinced me. I placed an order with Atlantic for a green one with a rail.
OK Tokarev, you convinced me. I placed an order with Atlantic for a green one with a rail.To me the railed model is the only way to go. Not 100% correct from a collector standpoint but it does add to the rifle's potential without taking away from the proper look.
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That's exactly why I chose it.
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