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They tell me that the 6920 Colts are not really Colts as they are made by someone else? I think they are confusing other models but have to ask here- is there something I don’t know about?
thopkins22
01-19-19, 21:48
They tell me that the 6920 Colts are not really Colts as they are made by someone else? I think they are confusing other models but have to ask here- is there something I don’t know about?
They may mean that colt 22 which really is just a rebranded rifle.
Colt 6920’s along with the other centerfire rifles are definitely made by Colt.
SamuelBLong
01-19-19, 21:52
They’re also probably mixing multiple facts/ideas. Likely that there are only a handful of suppliers making aluminum forgings for the entire AR manufacturing industry.
They may all use the same raw forging blank, but each manufacturer machines to different specs and quality controls. So your Colt is definitely a Colt. It wasn’t made by any sub-contractor.
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Without more context and information this is a Nothing Burger.
They tell me that the 6920 Colts are not really Colts as they are made by someone else? I think they are confusing other models but have to ask here- is there something I don’t know about?
The colt expanse rifle is probably what they are thinking of. These are not true Colt rifles.
The colt expanse rifle is probably what they are thinking of. These are not true Colt rifles.
Yea they were made by the people that made the "colt" competition guns. My guess is that is what the guy was thinking of.
The "context" is that I recently transferred a Colt LE6920FDEC at the shop. I purchased it used and they remembered that I had also transferred a 6920 several months ago. They had mentioned that "these are not made by Colt, they are made elsewhere by a 3rd party". I did not argue but I am 99% certain that they are wrong. So I thought I'd check here before I mention it to the shop. They are good guys but don't sell many Colts, they generally think there are better values in the market that have more to offer than Colt.
I'm a Colt guy and while I realize that their are many other great manufactures of AR-15's I like the Colts. I just want to make sure I am right before I correct them.
MorphCross
01-20-19, 00:04
Honestly I would just role my eyes, do the transfer, and ignore the peanut gallery comments.
If you correct them they are typically more likely to double down. Is it really worth the effort?
Don Quijote
01-20-19, 00:10
I just want to make sure I am right before I correct them.
Why on Earth would you waste a second of your time correcting idiots in a gun shop? Seriously, their opinion matters less than dog crap.
Just get your rifle and move on........
:confused:
And even if they're right, what does it matter? Do you think that every single part in whatever car you drive was made by the corporation that assembled it? You would be surprised how many extremely important vehicle systems are contracted out. I make my living making parts for others to their drawings and specifications. And we're pretty damned good at it.
Whoever said it is a moron, do the transfer and moveon.org.
The "context" is that I recently transferred a Colt LE6920FDEC at the shop. I purchased it used and they remembered that I had also transferred a 6920 several months ago. They had mentioned that "these are not made by Colt, they are made elsewhere by a 3rd party". I did not argue but I am 99% certain that they are wrong. So I thought I'd check here before I mention it to the shop. They are good guys but don't sell many Colts, they generally think there are better values in the market that have more to offer than Colt.
I'm a Colt guy and while I realize that their are many other great manufactures of AR-15's I like the Colts. I just want to make sure I am right before I correct them.
dirkmagurk
01-20-19, 08:14
This has been discussed here before. Colt has been outsourcing major parts for some time now. They filed bankruptcy and laid off a good number of their employees. They outsourced to other vendors to cut their costs down. I’m not saying they aren’t quality rifles, many other highly regarded companies do the same thing i.e. BCM. You will find some people get defensive when you talk about a certain company/brand, but facts are facts.
everready73
01-20-19, 08:29
They are confusing the 6920 with expanse. The lowers were the same from what I remember and someone not knowledgeable could present the wrong into.
If you are concerned call Colt and they will verify where and when made
bamashooter
01-20-19, 09:14
They are confusing the 6920 with expanse. The lowers were the same from what I remember and someone not knowledgeable could present the wrong into.
If you are concerned call Colt and they will verify where and when made
We know the answer. Do it telephonically to put your mind at ease. Then do it via email, receive the expected reply, take the reply to the "gun shop" and shove it up their butt.
Gen Sherman
01-20-19, 09:23
Confusing the "Expanse" and the ".22LR" made by Walther (in Germany).
I have the .22LR and their not bad lil guns. You can adjust them for different
rounds. I don't have an Expanse. Only 6920's and one SOCOM.
When I do rifle builds, I usually buy a 6920 so I can get the lower and sell
the upper for my new build. Every 5.56 I own is Colt or on a Colt lower. In my
outlook, you cannot go wrong buying Colt.
But, I'm a lil jaded, having carried the Colt in the service. Didn't let me down then,
so I stick with them now.
"Gunshop says... "
There are notable exceptions, but the general rule that everything after the "..." is 95% bull$hit...
I just want to make sure I am right before I correct them.
Never argue with idiots. Pretty much a hard / fast rule, unless you are just entertaining yourself. ;)
Honestly I would just role my eyes, do the transfer, and ignore the peanut gallery comments.
If you correct them they are typically more likely to double down. Is it really worth the effort?
This is the correct answer.
The "context" is that I recently transferred a Colt LE6920FDEC at the shop. I purchased it used and they remembered that I had also transferred a 6920 several months ago. They had mentioned that "these are not made by Colt, they are made elsewhere by a 3rd party". I did not argue but I am 99% certain that they are wrong. So I thought I'd check here before I mention it to the shop. They are good guys but don't sell many Colts, they generally think there are better values in the market that have more to offer than Colt.
I'm a Colt guy and while I realize that their are many other great manufactures of AR-15's I like the Colts. I just want to make sure I am right before I correct them.
Did you buy these From Arms Unlimited?
Do the rifles have FDE Cerakote receivers (hence "FDEC") like this? If so, that could be the source of the confusion. I've read, but can't confirm, that those were part of a small, limited Colt contract run that fell through and apparently AU bought them. AU was selling them for $700 so your LGS could've thought the deal was too good to be true.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/7debe9f042d5d90cf084e818294a6ea1.jpg
But, I'm a lil jaded, having carried the Colt in the service. Didn't let me down then,
so I stick with them now.
My problem is that TRW doesn't make AR's.
Gun shop people are usually full of crap but nothing seem bring out more hostile bull shit that the topic of Colt. I brought this up a few years ago to a home FFL that I do transfers through and he said that Colt used to make it difficult to be a dealer...or something like that. His opinion was that it was mostly sour grapes plus them wanting to sell you something, they have on the shelf and have a higher margin on.
I don’t know if that was true or if things have changed but I there still is a knee jerk animosity toward Colt....especially among baby boomers. Most of these guys are just looking for any piece of information to validate their bias. This adds a whole new layer of BS.
But then again, most gun talk you hear is 99% false.
dirkmagurk
01-20-19, 12:04
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.courant.com/business/hc-biz-colts-union-lawsuit-20180305-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Don Quijote
01-20-19, 12:11
I didn't know Colt was infected with the UAW.
The UAW is a cancer to this country's manufacturing heart, and like all cancers it needs to die.
I won't buy a car made by their hand, and while I would have liked a new Cobra or King Cobra, there is no way in hell I'll buy one now. At least not until they start showing up second hand in quantities.
Did you buy these From Arms Unlimited?
Do the rifles have FDE Cerakote receivers (hence "FDEC") like this? If so, that could be the source of the confusion. I've read, but can't confirm, that those were part of a small, limited Colt contract run that fell through and apparently AU bought them. AU was selling them for $700 so your LGS could've thought the deal was too good to be true.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/7debe9f042d5d90cf084e818294a6ea1.jpg
Yes that's the rifle for the most recent transfer however the first one was a standard black 6920. The guys at this store are pretty good and I rarely hear the typical A is better than B and we only sell A attitude. Like the rest of us they can be wrong sometimes, I just wanted make sure I was getting what I thought I was getting. I'll also mention nicely some of the comments here.
Some shops are completely clueless
If it says COLT right there on the lower and the upper is Colt they're idiots. Now, I could see a little confusion with the FDE receivers but they still say COLT on the receivers. They wouldn't have any excuse on the all black rifle unless they had some reason to believe that the upper had been swapped with another brand.
I think I would just laugh it off unless they keep saying stuff. The joke's on them anyway.
So who does make te Expanse and Competition rifles? I've read and seen some of the differences but don't know the answer.
So who does make te Expanse and Competition rifles? I've read and seen some of the differences but don't know the answer.
Colt Competition,I think, out of Breckenridge, Texas. They are now out of business.
So who does make te Expanse and Competition rifles? I've read and seen some of the differences but don't know the answer.
A company called Colt Competition LLC/Bold Ideas Texas, made both. A couple years ago they went bankrupt:
Last year, Colt Competition manufactured and sold some forty thousand AR-15s. When Donald Trump was elected, sales dropped like a stone. The gunmaker has been struggling to sell 500 rifles per month lately. And then Uncle Sam came knocking . . . wondering where it could go to collect some $2 million in back taxes for Colt Competition’s banner year. The answer: nowhere. The same place Colt Competition is today.
Colt Competition — which licensed its name from Colt Manufacturing LLC (which has no financial interest in Colt Competition) — is no more. The Breckenridge, Texas-based rifle maker has ceased production and dismissed over 70 employees.
Although Colt Competition has a substantial inventory of partially completed rifles, no parts supplier will touch them. The guns can’t be completed.
Given the moribund market for modern sporting rifles, the chances that Colt Competition will rise from the ashes are slim to none, and Slim just left town.
Colt Competition traces its roots back to 2009, when tech entrepreneur Charlie Lake purchased Warne Scope Mounts. Mr. Lake bought one of Warne’s parts makers and tasked them with building rifles as Colt Competition.
Mr. Lake sold Warne in 2013 and moved the then-successful Colt Competition factory to Texas — just in time for the first great AR-15 sales crash.
“It took us two-and-a-half years to get ourselves out of the hole,” Colt Competition VP Dave Wilcox told TTAG. “But we never got fully out of debt.”
The 43-year-old Army vet and former Kimber employee predicted Donald Trump’s victory in the last presidential election. But his company wasn’t prepared for an 80 percent drop in sales. The tax bill was the straw that broke the ailing camel’s back.
As we wrote earlier, the AR-15 market is in free-fall, with significantly more supply than demand. “If we’re down, everybody’s down,” Wilcox said. “It’s going to be a tough year.”
Colt Competition sold superb rifles — all guaranteed and shot to sub-MOA standards. The company’s staff were unfailingly polite and professional. The market may not miss the brand, but its satisfied customers will.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/03/robert-farago/colt-competition-goes-business-first-many/
Annnnd, as I understand it the folks holding the debt from the bankruptcy sued Colt for cutting back on the number of Expanses that Colt had contracted with them to make for Colt:
Colt’s Manufacturing is in hot water: A lawsuit filed in the District Connecticut court by finance company Prestige Capital is targeted at the gunmaker, with the aim of recouping half a million dollars plus legal fees and interest over what the plaintiff claims was a breach of contract during the production of the Expanse Carbine. The suit follows Colt’s scaling back of a contract for the Colt Expanse, a budget priced Colt-branded carbine whose production was farmed out to Bold Ideas, also known as Colt Competition. Colt’s contract with Bold Ideas allowed them to scale back production of the rifles – originally set at 6,000 to be delivered each quarter – but required 60 days’ notice. According to a letter cited in the suit, which was filed at the end of June, Colt scaled back production to 2,400 units per quarter “immediately” in March.
Bold Ideas had sold its assets to Prestige Capital in 2014, in return for an advance. Prestige Capital is seeking to have Colt pay the allegedly missing final payment of $500,000 for the minimum purchase order to Bold Ideas of Expanse carbines, plus interest and legal fees. Bold Ideas/Colt Competition went bankrupt earlier this year. The company originated in Oregon as Chazkat, LLC, and then moved to Texas in 2013.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/14/colt-sued-half-million-dollars-expanse-production-cutbacks/
This has been discussed here before. Colt has been outsourcing major parts for some time now. They filed bankruptcy and laid off a good number of their employees. They outsourced to other vendors to cut their costs down. I’m not saying they aren’t quality rifles, many other highly regarded companies do the same thing i.e. BCM. You will find some people get defensive when you talk about a certain company/brand, but facts are facts.
With the way industry is going, most companies (that I see) are moving in this direction of specialization, not diversification.
Just to save time and internet aggravation, they are made by..... my mom. That’s right, my mom actually makes Colt rifles. She builds them all up in her free time in my old bedroom, which is why Colt barrels all shoot so well.
This reply makes as much sense as the rest, and more than your gunshop.
The_War_Wagon
01-21-19, 07:55
Did the "FUDD heard in gunshops" thread get locked?
Just to save time and internet aggravation, they are made by..... my mom. That’s right, my mom actually makes Colt rifles. She builds them all up in her free time in my old bedroom, which is why Colt barrels all shoot so well.
This reply makes as much sense as the rest, and more than your gunshop.
Glad you were able to talk your mom into the midlength gas system & Centurion rails. Much appreciated. ;)
Just to save time and internet aggravation, they are made by..... my mom. That’s right, my mom actually makes Colt rifles. She builds them all up in her free time in my old bedroom, which is why Colt barrels all shoot so well.
This reply makes as much sense as the rest, and more than your gunshop.Stick, if you could so kindly convince your mother to build midlength SOCOM barrels that would be greaaat..
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The colt expanse rifle is probably what they are thinking of. These are not true Colt rifles.
Oh boy
Just to save time and internet aggravation, they are made by..... my mom. That’s right, my mom actually makes Colt rifles. She builds them all up in her free time in my old bedroom, which is why Colt barrels all shoot so well.
This reply makes as much sense as the rest, and more than your gunshop.
You must have move out a long time ago. I didn't think you were that old.
How seriously do you take the cashier at Wal Mart?
What makes gun store people any better?
It’s easier to get lower tier ARs than a Colt. These people just want to sell you a gun.
Once you realize that gun store people and comic book store people are the same if not worse; you stop caring, get your Colt/hentai without discussion, and live your life.
Keep it 100
How seriously do you take the cashier at Wal Mart?
What makes gun store people any better?
It’s easier to get lower tier ARs than a Colt. These people just want to sell you a gun.
Once you realize that gun store people and comic book store people are the same if not worse; you stop caring, get your Colt/hentai without discussion, and live your life.
Keep it 100
haha this is great
How seriously do you take the cashier at Wal Mart?
What makes gun store people any better?
It’s easier to get lower tier ARs than a Colt. These people just want to sell you a gun.
Once you realize that gun store people and comic book store people are the same if not worse; you stop caring, get your Colt/hentai without discussion, and live your life.
Keep it 100
You may be impuning the comic book store employee who could be an expert in his field, if lacking in attire.
Just to save time and internet aggravation, they are made by..... my mom. That’s right, my mom actually makes Colt rifles. She builds them all up in her free time in my old bedroom, which is why Colt barrels all shoot so well.
This reply makes as much sense as the rest, and more than your gunshop.
Stickman, If you could convince your mom to bring back the "Restricted Military/Government Law Enforcement/Export Use Only" roll mark on future lower receivers, I would greatly appreciate it. It would put the kabash on those sellers of Colt 6920s who think they deserve a premium price for something "Rare & Special"! Please thank her for producing a very fine carbine. Best regards, 3 AE
They’re pretty much the same as PSA now anyway, soooo
The_War_Wagon
01-21-19, 20:46
You may be impuning the comic book store employee who could be an expert in his field, if lacking in attire.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/CBG-M4C_zps6ckhul7s.png
When firefly compared gun store people to comic book store people, a light bulb when on. You've got to appreciate his poetic license.
grizzlyblake
01-21-19, 23:31
Dude, Firefly is basically the reason I come here anymore. I need that dose of reality poetry.
FF, I'll pick up your tab at North Ave Waffle House some night shift break so you can wax current events truth while I eat my steak and eggs.
elephantrider
01-21-19, 23:50
"Gunshop Says... " There is absolutely no reason to go any farther than this, UNLESS the purpose is an amusing anecdote.
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