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Looking for someone who's making a quality Threepersons holster, preferably in the older Don Hume style, for my 4" K frame Smiths. I know El Paso saddlery makes a Threepersons but I prefer the retention strap setup of the older Humes.
Thoughts?
You can get the traditional strap on an El Paso Threepersons.
gunnerblue
01-22-19, 18:15
El Paso Saddlery does a good job but Barranti is worth the wait
El Paso- and Kirkpatrick makes/made a sevicable Three Persons.
Don Quijote
01-22-19, 20:47
Here you go: http://lobogunleather.com/field-and-range-holsters/classic-tom-threepersons/
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-22-19, 20:49
Asking purely for education:
What is the point of a holster that exposed the trigger on a double action revolver?
^^ To have your finger on, or near the trigger with the draw. It was a different time; fewer lawyers, fewer dumbasses- I guess.
This holster on a single action autoloader, cocked and locked was "interesting" too.
https://i.imgur.com/ua6BjWg.jpg
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-23-19, 12:39
Gotcha, thank you.
I did some research on the holster, and found this thread (sorry to link to another forum, but great info and pics)
http://smith-wessonforum.com/gun-leather-carry-gear/100128-s-ws-tom-three-persons-holster.html
Don Quijote
01-23-19, 15:00
Asking purely for education:
What is the point of a holster that exposed the trigger on a double action revolver?
What Gaijin said.
It's interesting to note that Bill Jordan, in his book No Second Place Winner, considered any holster not so designed to be complete junk and unfit for duty use.
He knew a thing or two about gunfighting
gunnerblue
01-23-19, 15:29
What Gaijin said.
It's interesting to note that Bill Jordan, in his book No Second Place Winner, considered any holster not so designed to be complete junk and unfit for duty use.
He knew a thing or two about gunfighting
He also stated that the retention strap should only used when traversing rough terrain. Otherwise, the only retention would be the fit of the leather (which is more than enough in a well made holster).
Don Quijote
01-23-19, 15:38
He also stated that the retention strap should only used when traversing rough terrain. Otherwise, the only retention would be the fit of the leather (which is more than enough in a well made holster).
Yep
The guy knew a thing or two.
Asking purely for education:
What is the point of a holster that exposed the trigger on a double action revolver?I've trying to find a 60-80s Philly PD holster for a pencil barrel K frame 38spl. The holster had an angled spring loaded metal tab that was used as retention. To draw the gun the officer would put his finger inside the trigger guard, pus the tab and pull the gun.... insuring that the finger is always on the trigger!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190123/a022c87d73a8a74fcfbe3d112e674b4b.jpg
What Gaijin said. It's interesting to note that Bill Jordan, in his book No Second Place Winner, considered any holster not so designed to be complete junk and unfit for duty use. He knew a thing or two about gunfighting
Yep The guy knew a thing or two.
And we have learned a thing or two more since Bill Jordan's time.
Don Quijote
01-24-19, 05:56
And we have learned a thing or two more since Bill Jordan's time.
We sure have
https://youtu.be/YzuyDjLTOIQ?t=178
gunnerblue
01-24-19, 09:21
I've trying to find a 60-80s Philly PD holster for a pencil barrel K frame 38spl. The holster had an angled spring loaded metal tab that was used as retention. To draw the gun the officer would put his finger inside the trigger guard, pus the tab and pull the gun.... insuring that the finger is always on the trigger!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190123/a022c87d73a8a74fcfbe3d112e674b4b.jpg
I believe that is know as the Audley Safety Holster- there is a company called Vintage Gunleather that makes a copy. I am unaffiliated with them and cannot comment on its (the copy's) quality.
MountainRaven
01-24-19, 16:06
And we have learned a thing or two more since Bill Jordan's time.
There's - what I'll call - a persistent rumor that Bill Jordan left the USBP and went to work for the NRA, focusing on firearm safety, after he negligently shot a fellow USBP officer.
(He was also fond of aiming for the belt buckle, which I suspect nobody worth their salt would recommend today, even acknowledging that men in Jordan's day wore the waist of their trousers much higher than we do, today.)
Bruce in WV
01-24-19, 16:23
Bill Jordan gave an interview to Skeeter Skelton in 1969 (http://darkcanyon.net/BillJordan_TopGun.htm) and described his holster. Its not a Threepersons design - see the linked thread above for an image from the original 1931 S.D Meyers advertising for a variety of TT holsters. They are not like the "River" holster. (http://smith-wessonforum.com/gun-leather-carry-gear/100128-s-ws-tom-three-persons-holster.html, POST #17)
"Jordan holsters are known to uniformed law enforcement officers throughout the United States as the most advanced design available to suspend a DA revolver from a Sam Browne belt. Rigidly reinforced in the belt loop area by an enclosed metal strap, the Jordan rig is rigid and unmoving, always holding the gunbutt in precisely the same relationship to the gun hand. The revolver’s trigger guard is completely exposed, and the gun is held away from the back portion of the holster well by a cunningly inserted plug of leather, allowing the trigger finger to enter the guard as the draw is commenced.
Designed by Jordan 30 years ago, this streamlined gun shuck is the standard of the U.S. Border Patrol, as well as many other top police agencies. Don Hume, the Miami Okla., leather craftsman currently makes thousands of these fast riggings annually, dubbing them the Jordan “River” holster.
For his exhibition work, Bill now uses a modification of the original Jordan rig, one that was designed by Lt. Dan Combs of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, himself an outstanding exhibition handgunner. The Combs improvement consists of a stainless steel insert throughout the complete holster, including the gun well, and the sewing of the belt tang to the belt for absolute rigidity. “This change is unnecessary for the officer who wears his belt and holster every day,” comments Jordan, “but it’s a help to me since I travel so much. My belt and holster are packed in my luggage most of the time, and the stainless steel liner prevents the holster’s being flattened out to cause binding of the gun."
Don Quijote
01-25-19, 06:47
Some more pertinent info/history: https://revolverguy.com/fighting-leather-jordan-holster/
You can get the traditional strap on an El Paso Threepersons.
I know, I've got an EPS Threepersons for my 1911's. The retention strap on the Hume holsters is riveted and allows the strap to lay better along the holster when not in use.
There's - what I'll call - a persistent rumor that Bill Jordan left the USBP and went to work for the NRA, focusing on firearm safety, after he negligently shot a fellow USBP officer.
The officer he negligently shot was John Rector. Rector's daughter gave an account on a firearms board regarding the incident here https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2384639
SeriousStudent
01-26-19, 12:51
There's - what I'll call - a persistent rumor that Bill Jordan left the USBP and went to work for the NRA, focusing on firearm safety, after he negligently shot a fellow USBP officer.
(He was also fond of aiming for the belt buckle, which I suspect nobody worth their salt would recommend today, even acknowledging that men in Jordan's day wore the waist of their trousers much higher than we do, today.)
Not a rumor.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/bill-jordan-an-ad-and-coopers-four-rules.821605/
SeriousStudent
01-26-19, 12:54
I'd be fascinated to hear about a modern US law enforcement agency that currently issues a duty holster for a revolver or semi-auto firearm with an exposed trigger.
I am not aware of such an agency in this country. It would be a ridiculous liability risk.
https://adamsholsters.com/store/image/cache/catalog/Threepersons/tom-2-800x600.jpg55708Check out https://adamsholsters.com/store/tomholster
55709
Luke has an excellent variation on the classic Threepersons holster. The retention strap can be unsnapped from the holster, or snapped to the back and out of the way if so desired, his version also has a covered trigger guard...or he'll make one with no strap...Very nice guy and excellent craftsman!
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-27-19, 12:08
I'd be fascinated to hear about a modern US law enforcement agency that currently issues a duty holster for a revolver or semi-auto firearm with an exposed trigger.
I am not aware of such an agency in this country. It would be a ridiculous liability risk.
Beyond the liability, I think it flies in the face of modern gunfighting wisdom. Not to take away from legendary gunfighters of the past, but our generation now has it's own legendary gunfighters who would not recommend this type of holster for anything bu nostalgia.
I'd be fascinated to hear about a modern US law enforcement agency that currently issues a duty holster for a revolver or semi-auto firearm with an exposed trigger. I am not aware of such an agency in this country. It would be a ridiculous liability risk.
Beyond the liability, I think it flies in the face of modern gunfighting wisdom. Not to take away from legendary gunfighters of the past, but our generation now has it's own legendary gunfighters who would not recommend this type of holster for anything bu nostalgia.
Well, the closest thing is some WML compatible holsters with plenty of room to pull the trigger. Shots from inside the holster, GSWs to the leg, but why let reality ruin nostalgia.
What Gaijin said.
It's interesting to note that Bill Jordan, in his book No Second Place Winner, considered any holster not so designed to be complete junk and unfit for duty use.
He knew a thing or two about gunfighting
He also caused this:
https://www.odmp.org/officer/11072-border-patrol-inspector-john-a-rector
Don Quijote
01-30-19, 13:54
He also caused this:
https://www.odmp.org/officer/11072-border-patrol-inspector-john-a-rector
Modern "gunfighters" FF to 3:00 for the fun.
https://youtu.be/YzuyDjLTOIQ
Yeah I have seen that along with sweeping everyone after.
They will always get a lot more firearms related privileges and discounts than I do too.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-30-19, 14:38
Boy, all cops sure are stupid. I sure would hate to be around any of them with a gun. We really ought to disarm them, or go back to exposed trigger guard holsters to prevent ND's.
Don Quijote
01-30-19, 21:49
Boy, all cops sure are stupid. I sure would hate to be around any of them with a gun. We really ought to disarm them, or go back to exposed trigger guard holsters to prevent ND's.
That's your strawman, not mine
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-31-19, 16:50
That's your strawman, not mine
You've posted that video twice in the same thread. Make your point.
ND's happen, it's terribly unfortunate, and moreso when it wounds and/or kills innocent life. Those who do them should be held responsible. People who carry guns should train more and respect the extreme lethality of the trigger and line-of-bore.
Holsters have evolved, for good reason. It's still a cool piece of history, and anyone who wants one needs to respect its deficiencies.
What more do you want to say on the topic other than, "Cops have ND's!!!!!!!"?
Don Robison
01-31-19, 17:04
I have a Simply Rugged 120 it also uses the traditional strap retention.
https://www.simplyrugged.com/ecommerce/The-120.cfm?item_id=165&parent=669
There's - what I'll call - a persistent rumor that Bill Jordan left the USBP and went to work for the NRA, focusing on firearm safety, after he negligently shot a fellow USBP officer.
(He was also fond of aiming for the belt buckle, which I suspect nobody worth their salt would recommend today, even acknowledging that men in Jordan's day wore the waist of their trousers much higher than we do, today.)
Was it poa/poi on the buckle or was it (from what I have read) like Euro military logic in aiming at the buckle with impact in the chest?
SeriousStudent
02-01-19, 00:05
Beyond the liability, I think it flies in the face of modern gunfighting wisdom. Not to take away from legendary gunfighters of the past, but our generation now has it's own legendary gunfighters who would not recommend this type of holster for anything bu nostalgia.
Absolutely agree. We are lucky to have some incredibly brave and talented folks defending our cities and shores these days.
SeriousStudent
02-01-19, 00:10
That's your strawman, not mine
You know, the passive-aggressive BS you throw in almost every thread in wearing very, very thin. I would very strongly encourage you to either stop posting entirely, or read for a long time and learn how to post here.
Multiple moderators and staff members have pointed this out to you, and you have been temp-banned for multiple infractions. Hints have not worked.
Change your ways. The next infraction will be your last. I really cannot be any clearer than that.
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