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From CZ USA's 2019 catalog (on their website):
"After several years of hard work, production of CZ pistols is in full swing at our Kansas City, Kansas, headquarters. Incorporating some small changes, these U.S.-made pistols are ever so slightly different than the versions coming out of our parent factory. Shown on the opposite page are the P-10 S, C and F in their Optics-Ready configurations.
Shipped with a blank fill plate, users can purchase mounting plates for the Trijicon RMR and Leupold DeltaPoint Pro, with more plates coming available down the road. Also available are cowitness sights designed specifically for each of those optic systems, as well as specific suppressor-height sights. For sights, U.S.-made P-10s feature a single tritium lamp in the front with a large orange surround and a serrated black rear. All P-10s migrate to a swappable mag release for 2019.
With a change in style as well as geometry, this new mag release is smoother than the ambidextrous release it replaces. A few minutes work reverses the release so that lefties can hit it with their thumb from the right side of the pistol."
Not sure if all P-10 variants will be made in Kansas City or if production will be split between KC and the European plant? I've heard at least two people say that they're more confident of the Czech QC than the US QC. That may be a thorny subject, but has anyone noticed any difference one way or the other?
Don Quijote
02-09-19, 22:13
I've heard at least two people say that they're more confident of the Czech QC than the US QC. That may be a thorny subject, but has anyone noticed any difference one way or the other?
Who the **** are these people and what is
A) Their knowledge of manufacturing engineering and quality control in general
B) Their direct, first hand knowledge of what's going on inside CZ-USA's manufacturing facility
Probably zero (this was overheard at the local gun store). Of course, I've known guys who prefer their Glocks to say "Austria" on the side instead of "USA". Or Italian-made Beretta 92's over the US version.
Don Quijote
02-09-19, 22:39
Probably zero (this was overheard at the local gun store).
Then please don't repeat it. Internet rumors sometimes take a life of their own and then can't be disproven. I would go so far as to delete any mention of it.
I've known guys who prefer their Glocks to say "Austria" on the side instead of "USA". Or Italian-made Beretta 92's over the US version.
Without a shred of evidence to validate their bias, I'm sure
And in case you're wondering, I am an SME in the two areas I asked about. That's why I asked.
Just personal preference. I've looked at an Italian-made Beretta 92 next to a US version and, to my non-expert eye, they looked identical.
I have a Italian made 92c and a US made 92fs in the M9 pattern. I actually like the US made version better because the mainspring is easier to change due to the dog bone pin vs. the roll pin on the Italian. The finish is also different on the receiver but quality and functionality is identically excellent.
Don Quijote
02-10-19, 20:25
I actually like the US made version better because the mainspring is easier to change due to the dog bone pin vs. the roll pin on the Italian.
I bet that difference has nothing to do with country of manufacture and it's one of the many small design and engineering changes that happen to almost all products over their life.
My new P-10 F was made in Czech Republic. It is not the optics-ready version.
Except for the striker vs. hammer-fired arrangement, is the P-09 otherwise similar to the P-10F?
Except for the striker vs. hammer-fired arrangement, is the P-09 otherwise similar to the P-10F?
P-10 F magazines will work in the P-09. I'm using my Comp-Tac P-09 holster for my P-10 F. I just had to use longer screws as the trigger guard is slightly wider.
Except for the striker vs. hammer-fired arrangement, is the P-09 otherwise similar to the P-10F?
P-10 F magazines will work in the P-09. I'm using my Comp-Tac P-09 holster for my P-10 F. I just had to use longer screws as the trigger guard is slightly wider.
Don Quijote
02-18-19, 08:23
Except for the striker vs. hammer-fired arrangement, is the P-09 otherwise similar to the P-10F?
Nothing interchanges between them except some magazines. So I wouldn't call them similar.
Don Quijote
02-18-19, 08:24
I tried a rental P-10c at a local indoor range. Suffice it to say I'm keeping my DA/SA CZs.
Nothing interchanges between them except some magazines. So I wouldn't call them similar.
In the scheme of things, is there anything to recommend one over the other?
Don Quijote
02-18-19, 16:15
In the scheme of things, is there anything to recommend one over the other?
The triggers. I cannot stand striker fired triggers. That, and the lack of grip texture on the frame higher than trigger level, made shooting a P-10c a disaster.
If you like striker fired pistols and don't want to put in the time to learn a DA trigger, the P-10 is for you.
If you learned to shoot revolvers or want to put in a nominal effort to learn a DA trigger, and like having a superior single action trigger for shots 2 through the end, the P-07 is for you.
I had a P-07 and traded it for a P-01. The ergonomics of the CZ 75, P-01, and SP-01 have not been equalled by any non-1911 handgun yet.
Just ordered one of the newer versions 91531 with the rev mag catch. Hope the release is not as stiff as the ambi release.
Just ordered one of the newer versions 91531 with the rev mag catch. Hope the release is not as stiff as the ambi release.
I have two rev mag catch models. HUGE improvement over the 2017 P-10 C's I used to own. I'll be using those in IDPA competition this year.
I have two rev mag catch models. HUGE improvement over the 2017 P-10 C's I used to own. I'll be using those in IDPA competition this year.
Awesome, excellent that CZ has made the necessary mods to the guns. I foresee more than one in my stable.
After 27 yrs with glocks I am looking forward to this gun.
parishioner
03-01-19, 12:13
My new P-10 F was made in Czech Republic. It is not the optics-ready version.
Is it known if the S model will be available in the non optics-ready configuration also?
Picked up new P10c, non optic ready model, it was made in Czech, mag catch is easy to manipulate, slide lock/stop is a little tight like the previous version but not an issue for me. I shoot it much better than glocks.
dwhitehorne
03-02-19, 04:48
Is it known if the S model will be available in the non optics-ready configuration also?
All of the pictures online that I have seen show the S model with the optics cover plate. David
Can the new, single side mag release be retro=fit to the older guns?
Received text from Scott at Cajun- he said "yes, the new mag catch can retrofit to the 1st Gen guns".
Can the new, single side mag release be retro=fit to the older guns?
Received text from Scott at Cajun- he said "yes, the new mag catch can retrofit to the 1st Gen guns".
WOW, CGW will soon be extremely busy.
I hope the S model will be produced in a non OR model. I will for sure be buying.
Can the new, single side mag release be retro=fit to the older guns?
Received text from Scott at Cajun- he said "yes, the new mag catch can retrofit to the 1st Gen guns".
No it can't.
BUT, apex makes a new mag release that solved the issue with the gen 1's. They sell two lengths and I believe they're specific to what hand you are.
Don Quijote
03-05-19, 05:23
Can the new, single side mag release be retro=fit to the older guns?
Received text from Scott at Cajun- he said "yes, the new mag catch can retrofit to the 1st Gen guns".
No it can't.
BUT, apex makes a new mag release that solved the issue with the gen 1's. They sell two lengths and I believe they're specific to what hand you are.
Forgive me if I don't take your word over that of Cajun Gun Works when it comes to what works and what doesn't on CZ pistols...….
While the mag release has been redesigned, my guess is the "hole" in frame has not.
It makes sense the "new" mag release is capable of being inserted in an old frame, but in order to work the new magazines must be used.
I'll report any new info I receive on this.
parishioner
04-05-19, 14:49
Is it known if the S model will be available in the non optics-ready configuration also?
I inquired today and received a quick response if anyone else was wondering about this.
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I handled a P 10 F the other day at my LGS. Boy, what a nice striker fire gun that thing is. Love the single-sided mag release love the ergonomics love the grip texture love the slide serrations and Man the thing had HD sights and it is ready for an RDS. I am not into the striker fire scene right now but this guy is really nice and really tempting to get back into it.
monty_d_33
04-05-19, 15:01
I handled a P 10 F the other day at my LGS. Boy, what a nice striker fire gun that thing is. Love the single-sided mag release love the ergonomics love the grip texture love the slide serrations and Man the thing had HD sights and it is ready for an RDS. I am not into the striker fire scene right now but this guy is really nice and really tempting to get back into it.
It’s a hard package to beat. I’m seriously surprised every day that it’s not more popular.
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It’s a hard package to beat. I’m seriously surprised every day that it’s not more popular.
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I think the biggest issue is their supply chain, it is sometimes difficult to get large amounts of them. Accessories, mags, sights, etc. have always been sparse. Their LE program and support is pretty strong though. LE can deal directly with CZ-USA, and they have always been extremely helpful with any questions I have had. I know three officers that are carrying them, but finding a duty holster was difficult at first. Safariland has some of the 7TS series on and off duty ones now, so it isn't as much of an issue.
I have a USA P-10C optic version in route for T&E. I had an original T&E P-10C when they first came out and was really impressed with it. It was FDE, and at that time there were no duty holster available. Also being a completely new platform, I wanted it to have some seasoning to work out any bugs. A few things showed up with them, but nothing serious, and have now been revised.
I may very well keep this new one when it shows up, and it may make it into my duty rotation.
Two things that really stick out to me about the P-10 is the triggers on them, and the inherent accuracy of them. I'm not sure what kinda of unicorn dust CZ sprinkles on those barrels when they make them, but every P-10 I have shot and seen are absolute tack drives, with any kind of ammo.
TXPO
monty_d_33
04-06-19, 12:35
I think the biggest issue is their supply chain, it is sometimes difficult to get large amounts of them. Accessories, mags, sights, etc. have always been sparse. Their LE program and support is pretty strong though. LE can deal directly with CZ-USA, and they have always been extremely helpful with any questions I have had. I know three officers that are carrying them, but finding a duty holster was difficult at first. Safariland has some of the 7TS series on and off duty ones now, so it isn't as much of an issue.
I have a USA P-10C optic version in route for T&E. I had an original T&E P-10C when they first came out and was really impressed with it. It was FDE, and at that time there were no duty holster available. Also being a completely new platform, I wanted it to have some seasoning to work out any bugs. A few things showed up with them, but nothing serious, and have now been revised.
I may very well keep this new one when it shows up, and it may make it into my duty rotation.
Two things that really stick out to me about the P-10 is the triggers on them, and the inherent accuracy of them. I'm not sure what kinda of unicorn dust CZ sprinkles on those barrels when they make them, but every P-10 I have shot and seen are absolute tack drives, with any kind of ammo.
TXPO
Texas....I completely agree. Trigger and I’m dimly a better shooter with that pistol in my hands.
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monty_d_33
04-06-19, 12:36
*simply a better shooter
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Falshooter
04-06-19, 15:36
The forthcoming CZ P10-S will be a 12-shot Sub-Compact version of the P10-C.
I think the biggest issue is their supply chain, it is sometimes difficult to get large amounts of them. Accessories, mags, sights, etc. have always been sparse. Their LE program and support is pretty strong though. LE can deal directly with CZ-USA, and they have always been extremely helpful with any questions I have had. I know three officers that are carrying them, but finding a duty holster was difficult at first. Safariland has some of the 7TS series on and off duty ones now, so it isn't as much of an issue.
I have a USA P-10C optic version in route for T&E. I had an original T&E P-10C when they first came out and was really impressed with it. It was FDE, and at that time there were no duty holster available. Also being a completely new platform, I wanted it to have some seasoning to work out any bugs. A few things showed up with them, but nothing serious, and have now been revised.
I may very well keep this new one when it shows up, and it may make it into my duty rotation.
Two things that really stick out to me about the P-10 is the triggers on them, and the inherent accuracy of them. I'm not sure what kinda of unicorn dust CZ sprinkles on those barrels when they make them, but every P-10 I have shot and seen are absolute tack drives, with any kind of ammo.
TXPO
I currently have 5 CZ's all DA/SA pistols, all have proven to have excellant accuracy. Myself, I think this because CZ takes the time to properly fit the barrels and slides, Just guessing, but I think CZ's slide/barrel fit up, is as good as HK's, and, that's saying something..
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