A Change In America?

[R1pper]

Do you really believe that BO will bring a postive change (in some ways) to America.

I was talking about this with my formerly Libtard now Repub girlfriend. I was talking about some feelings I have about BO and the race issue. With so many saying how it is so great that America has elected a black president, I brought up the issue that it very well may take us backwards in time as far as the Civil Rights movement.

Now when I say that it may take us back, I mean it as so. The feeling that he will insitute policies and "cater" to the so called "minorities" and it will cause resentment among the white populace and instead of bring the nation together he will cause a greater divide.

DISCLAIMER
I am in no way a BO supporter, but I also am NOT a supporter of Racist views or agendas. This post is simply intended to ask a question on a topic that concerns me, as I do not want see this great country reduced to a "Race War"


I know it is way to early to really tell but it was a dicussion that came up with a former lib and has come up several time as work (I work as an SP on a ANG Base)

[Left Sig]

The main problem with Obama's policy objectives is that he continues to ask for even more of the same failed 60's and 70's social policies that have already proven not to work.

To the contrary, he doesn't admit those policies didn't work, he thinks we just haven't gone far enough or spent enough on them.

Increased welfare benefits starting in the 60's encouraged more people to get on the dole. Paying more welfare for additional children born afterwards encourages having more children. Reduction or elimination of welfare benefits due to marriage discourages marriage. All those mostly unwanted children with no fathers around get no parenting and no discipline. They cause trouble in school, but the welfare state has tied the hands of the teachers and the administrators so they can't discipline the kids either. This is all very simple cause and effect analysis that is entirely predictable if you understand basic economics and basic human behavior. By trying to fix symptoms of the problem, we made it a LOT worse.

I was talking with a black coworker on Wednesday about the election, and his thoughts on why things are the way they are. He is a family man, married with children, and involved in community activities to help poor kids.

He said the government needs to get out of the lives of families and allow parents to discipline their children without fear of unwarranted abuse allegations. Schools need to return to corporal punishment. Welfare needs to stop paying for extra children and stop discouraging marriage. He's got the right ideas IMO.

[rmecapn]

This election wasn't about race, it was about ideology!

I have spent my entire adult life learning to despise nationalist-socialist and communist ideology. I have spent that same amount of time training to destroy anyone who supports that ideology, even if it means I have to give my life.

Now, my nation embraces that same ideology. Just what in the heck does this nation expect me to do?!?!?!

I don't think some of you have any clue what kind of division was just created in this nation!

[lowprone]

No doubt, sadly the great unwashed will slowly come out of their media/obama induced narcosis and slowly come to the realization that they have made a great mistake.
I cannot understand what happened to this country.

[Left Sig]

What Happened? That's easy. With Obama's plans, almost 50% of the country will pay no federal income tax, while the other 50% will foot the whole bill. Once the majority of the populace pays no taxes, they will ALWAYS vote for the government to give them more money and take more from the "rich". That's how democracies fail.

[CarlosDJackal]

This election wasn't about race, it was about ideology! ...

I beg to differ. The election was anything but about ideology and more about race, blame for a bad economy, and allowing the media to dictate who should be President. In fact, it was determined despite the ideological difference because people were voting with what amounts to nothing more than greed. I know of quite a few "devote" Catholics who willingly sold their soul to the Devil (this is basically what they did) because their stocks and 401Ks took a hit.

I do agree about the divisiveness of the outcome though. bho is anything but a uniter or for equality. He's not very different from such individuals as Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Marcos, or any other dictator that has risen to power.

We can only hope that the Founding Fathers put in place a strong enough foundation for this country to withstand any abuse his kind might consider perpetrating over the next four years. JM2CW.

[mmike87]

Catholics who willingly sold their soul to the Devil (this is basically what they did) because their stocks and 401Ks took a hit.


That is exactly why my mother voted for BO. I couldn't believe it when I found out.

[spamsammich]

No doubt, sadly the great unwashed will slowly come out of their media/obama induced narcosis and slowly come to the realization that they have made a great mistake.
I cannot understand what happened to this country.

This country was inexplicably ****ed up long before this election. It was well into being ****ed up during the Clinton years. Real change will NEVER happen. You'd have to fire everyone on the hill and start over. Ask anybody who has ever worked in the Pentagon or on the hill. 4 more years of bullshit under a different disguise, yay.

[LOKNLOD]

This election wasn't about race, it was about ideology!



I beg to differ. The election was anything but about ideology and more about race, blame for a bad economy, and allowing the media to dictate who should be President. In fact, it was determined despite the ideological difference because people were voting with what amounts to nothing
more than greed..

You guys are both right. We've once again illustrated that people will collectively sell any ideology they have up the creek if they think it'll help their bank account. Unfortunately, selfish apathy is an idealogy all it's own.

[sewvacman]

I don't feel he's going to lead us to a race war...unless something bad happens to him. Then it's lock'nload time. I will be very glad that I live in Mayberry at that point in time.
Let's hope nothing bad happens to him.

[Left Sig]

The thing I don't get is why people think that Obama will be better for the economy. Higher individual taxes, higher business taxes, and higher spending aren't going to help.

People seem to think that government investment in public works programs will somehow save the economy like it was believed to in the 1930's. But the Federal Government was running with minimal debt back then and did not have the back-breaking entitlement burdens, nor the looming pension burden for soon-to-retire baby boomer civil service workers.

Since the government doesn't actually produce anything of value, all they can do is move money around. Taking from the rich won't work now because they are going to write off such huge investment losses that many will have no tax burden - possibly for a few years to come.

[Business_Casual]

I stopped at 7-11 to buy a money order today and the fellow in line in front of me was buying a stack of newspapers with the "Obama Makes History" headline.

He said "Obama is gonna fix the economy, and I'm gonna get mine!" I gathered he thinks he can sell the historic newspapers later on at a huge profit. This plan struck me as poorly reasoned, and I am somewhat dubious, but that's not my problem.

I doubt that four years from now he will be saying that deflation and double-digit interest rates are Obama's fault.

M_P

[AwaySooner]

It's not that people think Obama will be better, people blame Republicans for this mess, in fact, it really is both parties, and Republicans made it worse with the like of Hank Paulson. Now John McCain had an opportunity to fix this by coming out against the bank bailout, propose a real solution to bring transparency into the banks, clean up the mess and start-over, bring trust into the market and put in a new SEC chief that actually do real works. He would've stand a fighting chance against Obama, but no, he said the same exact thing as Obama, which is nothing. If I vote for McCain, there's guarantee of no change, with Obama, at least I have 10% chance of him doing the right thing. Not that I voted for Obama, I have other agenda I care about, like my toys. :D


The thing I don't get is why people think that Obama will be better for the economy. Higher individual taxes, higher business taxes, and higher spending aren't going to help.

People seem to think that government investment in public works programs will somehow save the economy like it was believed to in the 1930's. But the Federal Government was running with minimal debt back then and did not have the back-breaking entitlement burdens, nor the looming pension burden for soon-to-retire baby boomer civil service workers.

Since the government doesn't actually produce anything of value, all they can do is move money around. Taking from the rich won't work now because they are going to write off such huge investment losses that many will have no tax burden - possibly for a few years to come.

[IROCZ]

This election wasn't about race, it was about ideology!

I have spent my entire adult life learning to despise nationalist-socialist and communist ideology. I have spent that same amount of time training to destroy anyone who supports that ideology, even if it means I have to give my life.

Now, my nation embraces that same ideology. Just what in the heck does this nation expect me to do?!?!?!

I don't think some of you have any clue what kind of division was just created in this nation!


I consider it an Honor to share the company of Americans such as you. I have the same problems. My Father fought in Korea and most of my formative years were spent being instructed on the dangers of socialism and communism. My father made it sound like a bad virus. He also said crazy stuff like "This is a Republic not a democracy" Thanks.

[my65swede@yahoo.com]

"We knew the world would not be

the same. A few people laughed,

a few people cried, most people

were silent. I remembered the

line from the Hindu scripture, the

Bhagavad-Gita.... 'Now, I have

become Death, the destroyer of

worlds.' I suppose we all thought

that- one way or another."

- J. Robert Oppenheimer

...be very afraid...:D

[VooDoo6Actual]

A lot of good comments here.


My beliefs are that when the people who voted for Obama REALIZE that he can ONLY do so much do to his hands being tied by BIG CORPORATE interests. He will not be able to bring the radical change that Liberals Leftists want, they will realize he screwed the pooch.

It will cause more desention amonst the UNDERACHIEVERS who want ENTITLEMENTS and SOCIALIST IDEOLOGIES.

They will say they voted on ideology BUT the reality is they voted on RACE issues and they will be burned in the end....

It's going to be a GOAT FOOK...

[my65swede@yahoo.com]

The firearms industry is not big corporate interest. Yes you are right about them going after social issues...bla bla bla. The dems are going for the soft underbelly… first-we enthusiasts and the NRA are it...next will be conservative talk radio...then as increased welfare and federalized healthcare...did you know they want to add CHIPS benefits to the middle class?

They probably won't get their liberal social Shangri La right away but they will work on what they believe they can do first with as little resistance as possible.

Think they can't do it...they took away our first amendment rights by monopolizing the media-they will take away our 2nd amendment rights next...you should be very afraid and concerned-and start thinking about what we are all going to do about it NOW!!!!!!!!! Don’t wait until 2010. The Dem's worked on getting BHO in the White House for years. It will take us until 2010 to come up with a strong opposition/solution-because right now we are all very weak!And as for race…we should all drop the race issue…only self loathing liberal masochists (the same ones that took the flag out of our schools because they didn’t want to offend the Muslim’s) voted for that reason-I’d like to think that they are not 53% of America. The Muslim Americans didn't ask to have the flags removed so don’t blame black Americans for this one either.

Look to the left and to the right of you and find Waldo!
Don’t know what to look for? Watch MSNBC for a few hours!


I for one am very tired and very worried when I read so many posts saying they won’t be able to get the new bill through. Please for all our sake-WTFU!

[HAMMERDROP]

My guy didn't win, er we have new President Elect now ... I am an American and I feel we need to give it a chance its either that or I want to puke ... imagine when the media turns on BHO and they will.
I voted on this POLL that I would prefer the outcome to create greater equality and respect for one another ... to ratchet my hopes up a notch if it would motivate those poor souls trapped by no parental existance. Those miserable wretches who will never have goals to attempt to achieve what BHO promises if it could turn our country around from an inner city perspective then it would be worth it.
How many times have you guys seen me piss and moan about the murder rate in St Louis for 2008 ???
I am tired of all the hate in this world so now we have a black President he will need a tax base. If he is dishonest as a Democrat he will be exposed for what he is nobody slings longer blades than the media. If he could include people of dismal economic history perhaps then he could afford all he proposes. Something has to make people who are mired in genocide turn themselves around if this is what it takes - cool.
I'd like their vote to fix the country's woes, but all BHO proposes would take several lifetimes to accomplish and needs working taxpayers contributing to keep it rolling.
BHO's victory was bought for the promise of a stimulus check, they all hated Bush but I wonder how many of his stimulus checks they sent back??
Actually the last check ... sorry guys the only time I know a check has comes into this house is when my wife asks - er tells me to sign it I dont get to see money I have a Black Rifle Disease a .45 Disease etc etc Microtech Disease you understand , ammo.
Bush's last stimulus check -per a report Neil Cavuto aired yesterday indicated like 40% of it paid credit card debt or it was saved it didn't get spent at Wallyworld or Chucky Cheese or at Hallmark. Responsible people did responsible things with the last stimulus check Bush ok'd ... but if a presidency can be bought so cheaply I feel it did divide more than it merged citizens... I sound like a hypocryte I know it but I got so depressed about Macs loss I have to try to feel optomistic until I hear shoes hitting the floor. I know I am no more farged-up than I was this time last week.
We'll see in about 6 months from now what I say huh ?
TIA ... this is America !

Michael

[my65swede@yahoo.com]

You know I am an American too. I too don't have a problem with having a Black president either. I too am pissed about the economy. I don't believe we can go down the same path. I too am obliged as an American to give BHO a chance.

I have a problem with anyone that tries to rewrite the Constitution. I will not budge on our basic rights issues and our Constitution provides for us to take drastic measures as citizens if required.

We have an obligation no matter who is President to speak up when something stinks and not be SHEEP!

[KintlaLake]

Too early to tell -- too early for me, anyway. I'm cautiously optimistic about some things and clinically depressed about others.

[gyp_c2]

...I think he's just a representation of the differences that already existed...I think that this time in history will rival the 60s' in showing us how far down the road we are...I also think that there will be increasing pressure brought to bear on all those who have a shred of independent spirit left in them...
...civilian security force, indeed...Who'll be in charge?
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